Keep your chin up. When's the end of the quarter/semester for you?
I'm actually only about halfway through the summer semester, so I still have a little over 5 weeks left; the first 5 flew by though so I'm not too worried. After that I get 2 weeks off then am back for the summer semester, lol.
Don't you think this Day has gone on enough? Today's been nearly three weeks long. I want some alignment confirmation rather than sitting back and forth discussing the people outside of the Box (imabusinessman/Kraj/Jobie/Hunger/Ghosting)
@Ghosting: Can you please claim and provide a list of scumreads if you happen to flip town? I know you're re-evaluating your Mindreaver read, but if you are town I promise I will do my best to champion your reads, as you've in my mind played a fantastic game as both alignments. (Seriously, if you are indeed scum as Bloscovi says, you are terrifying)
Are you asking me to claim rn? I was hoping my breadcrumbs would mean I wouldn't have to, but maybe nobody caught them lol. But I'm also not sure if that's what you're asking.
It looks like a decent majority are at least interested in a hypothetical Kraj/Brinatoo/Imab lynch. Using the day vig on Imab could be easy since he's not playing and would be like how the modkills in Mind Screw were. I'd like a response from Kraj before I question his #839 further, but Brinatoo's long explanations of TS then support of my lynch, without a vote, made me feel very suspicious.
I'm actually only about halfway through the summer semester, so I still have a little over 5 weeks left; the first 5 flew by though so I'm not too worried. After that I get 2 weeks off then am back for the summer semester, lol.
Man, that's rough. I remember when my summer classes ended I had like five weeks off until fall, heh.
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Are you asking me to claim rn? I was hoping my breadcrumbs would mean I wouldn't have to, but maybe nobody caught them lol. But I'm also not sure if that's what you're asking.
Yes, please claim.
This Day has gone on pretty far long enough, and we need things to keep it moving.
During my reread of the last couple pages Proph has seemed a lot more towny to me. There isn't a specific post, more a "body of work" type of feeling. I am feeling a bit exhausted with this day. I've done tons of reading and made my thoughts as clear as I can and very little is gaining traction. either I'm really wrong or what?
Is it reasonable to try and agree on a daylynch that isn't Ghosting? I have a very strong town read on him. Can we at least see a daylynch flip that could give us some interaction analysis? If we daykill now we get lots of time to reread. I will absolutely put in the work for an in-depth analysis. Are others up to or have the time to join me on that?
I stop checking the thread for a day and you guys go and start claiming dayvigs and stuff.
It's already 3am here so I'll catch up more fully tomorrow.
I think Mind should shoot Today, and preferably with enough time before deadline that we can actually use the info from the flip to lynch again. If he's willing to shoot Ghosting that's cool with me, and Ghosting should probably claim before Mind shoots him if Ghosting has a town power role.
On the hand, loose lips sink ships and all that.
@Seppel: can you pass the laptop? If Ghosting really is afraid of dying to NK after claiming and you want to get rid of it, you could pass it to him. I have an item that specifically says it cannot be passed to another player, but obviously I don't know if the laptop has a similar caveat. Sorry if you mentioned that and I didn't notice.
If it's something that will definitively townfirm you, that information and gamestate re-evaluation is a good thing.
Roles and Items exist, it's not a guaranteed death regardless.
Knowing your alignment is a bit of a leverage point for the entire gamestate - people were pushing Mindreaver's wagon opportunistically in opposition to yours. Your wagon has myself, and 3 others on it that are very, very unlikely to be scum.
Like. Your behavior has been much better since you stopped fixating on defense and actually started posting, but it's not outside of the realm of fake-able especially since you turned right around and did the logic/rhetoric thing with Mindreaver, who is also apparently town.
I need your alignment confirmation for the game to really progress. Either your (probably scum) corpse on the ground, or something that makes you very likely to be town.
The entire point of my day one shtick where I latch onto something I don't like is that it forces people to interact with it, or consciously avoid interacting with it. Knowing your alignment creates a ton of information in that regard.
Going to go back and look at a few things, I have 20 minutes free or so.
I have been, and will be, insanely busy, so I'm trying not to get too invested. Just once I start posting I can't stop.
I believe Mindreaver's claim. I thought he was town prior to it, and the claim tracks logically with his behavior.
Silver is extremely likely to be town. Genuine earnestness, effort, and definitively claiming Town X as his role format, when someone he would know is town (me) is telling him to his face that is what isn't in mine.
Prophylaxis is probably town. I've considered that he could be bussing Ghosting, but I think he's 100% town in Town!Ghosting worlds, and still like, 92% town in Scum!Ghosting worlds. His play just doesn't track as scum, and my uneasiness with him is probbbbbably just a function of Town!Proph getting lazy.
Brinatoo
Gentleman Johnny
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
Seppel
TappingStones
imabusinessman
not_a_gimmick
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I see very few worlds in which Not A Gimmick is mafia. He was my strongest town read early in the game, and his behavior tracks logically with someone who is townsiding, but lacks the desire and motivation to push the game forward, as long as the lynch is on someone he's cool with it happening.
I think I...mostly? Believe Gentleman Johnny's claim. I do think there's something one of the two isn't telling us, but I don't think it's strictly malicious.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
There's 3-4 mafia in those ten names. Can we just kill them all?
What do you mean 'Probably not'. Ugh.
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TappingStones is probably town. He's probably the read that I'd be least surprised if he turned out to be scum, out of my town reads, because he just feels like scum deep in my gut. It's not even something I can fully articulate. Some of his posts just feel like he made them strictly because he thought he should be making them, to look town, rather than them being a natural progression of his thought process. His reads have been starkly different to mine all game (he's pushed on me, he's pushed on Proph, he's pushed on Mindreaver, and I think one more I'm forgetting). He's been abrasive, borderline toxic, and I've had to restrain myself from just replacing out at multiple points rather than deal with him. But he's probably town. There's a certain kind of conviction and energy and consistency in his posts that I struggle to see him replicate as scum. He has fallen off in that regard the last 4-5 days, but he's probably town.
Seppel is also in that pile of 'probably town, but wouldn't be shocked if he's scum'. The claim is weird. I don't think it made sense as claimed from a town perspective, but it's...Seppel. Trying to be too clever for his own good is par for the course. He lacks...fire. He's posted plenty, but where is the desire and effort and energy? I'd feel a lot better about Seppel if I thought he cared about anything he's said or tried to push this game. I'll spend an hour on Seppel's ISO at some point, but I think he's just...had too little motivation in anything he's posted, to be scum. Very blase, very casual, very open despite lacking any kind of passion, energy, or effort.
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
imabusinessman
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That's all of my decent strength town reads (or not-mafia reads, in NAG/GJ's case).
There are very likely 3-4 mafia in the remaining 8 names.
I do not feel extremely strongly about any of them, except Ghosting, and even that has been shaken a little bit with this claim talk.
Going to talk about each of them, but there's a lot of waffling going on here. I can see any of these 8 as either alignment.
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My gut says Matowar is probably town. I don't like most of his posts, I really don't. But I read them in isolation, and I try to put myself in his head, where it's his first scum game, and I just really struggle to see him making some of the nuances in posts he is as scum. I would not expect him to be role playing so enthusiastically, either. Maybe it's poor reasoning, but given he was mislynched in his first game, that has to be a hit to the confidence. To come out in the second game as scum for the first time and immediately draw attention to yourself just strikes me as very unlikely for scum to do. But oh man, are some of his posts so, so, so scummy in a vaccuum, especially when coupled with his inactivity, and popping in to make one weak post, then vanishing again, it's just. Ergh. Gut read. Light town. Would not shed a tear if he died at some point, but I'd rather it not be day one.
Huntzilla is another gut light town read. It's not something I can articulate well. It's more that I can track most of his thought processes, and I've liked most of his posts. And I'll be honest, I think a little bit of it is a kind of contrarian attitude, because the reason people are giving me for scum reading him is 'He's not this competent as town', and that's kind of bull. I think I want him to be town, because that's kind of hilariously insulting (and a ittle bit hilarious) if it's correct.
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Jobie
Kraj
imabusinessman
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And then there were six.
It almost feels too easy?
I still think Ghosting is scum. It makes sense when considering the gamestate, when considering his reaction, and when considering the interactions of others with him and the wagon. I'm sure he's going to claim something that will deter the lynch, though, so I'm trying to at least consider worlds where he's town. But I just. Really don't think I'll believe it until he's dead.
Even if I treat him as Schrodinger's Slot, where he's both town and scum depending on the claim, that leaves 5 names.
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Brinatoo is interesting. In a vaccuum, there's very little I really dislike. The early game back and forth with TS felt natural, but the problem with that is the same problem I have with Kraj. It's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Because there's absolutely going to be genuine frustration and a lack of understanding when dealing with TappingStone, as either alignment. It's Brina/Kraj the person who is having that frustration and trying to understand, rather than Brina/Kraj the player. I originally town read them both for it, but the more I read back over it, the more null I think it is. The big thing(s) I don't like about Brina is the opportunistic vote on Silver, and then trying to play it off as a reaction test when I called him out on it being opportunistic. His interactions with the Ghosting wagon also are kind of...weird? In that he was testing the waters, but not committing. I think in Town!Ghosting worlds, Brinatoo is very likely scum.
Kraj is kind of linked to Brina in that they're similar to me this game. Both are obviously competent and intelligent, and in a vacuum I don't have a lot of problem with anything they do. But Kraj has had multiple opportunistic votes and pushes on targets I don't like. The TS thing is understandable, even if I think it's ultimately null. But the NAG vote felt out of place, and the Mindreaver push was bad. I acknowledge that he's been on vacation, but there's also the issue with activity/investment. I don't feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I just feel like he's kind of popping in like 'Yep still playing'.
Jobie is shrug. The only thing that pinged me a little bit was the 'Oh I read the spreadsheet wrong lol' thing, when he's claiming he's useless as a D1 analyst. Gun to my head says he's town, but it's the squishiest read in existence, and he fits nicely into pretty much every single scum team by virtue of doing nothing remotely town.
Hunger is more shrug. Some of his questions feel empty. The stuff with role PM's felt vaguely town, but imminently fakeable. PoE scum at best, I don't think I learn anything from his death no matter what he flips.
And last. And least. Imabusinessman. He's intentionally drowned his slot in Wine from the word 'go', and it's about as anti-town of behavior as you can get. Unfortunately it's well within his town range to be useless and anti-town. He makes a reasonable dayvig shot, because he's plausibly scum, and is intentionally not playing the game, so it's better to just straight kill him rather than push a wagon that will glean little information. Like. My gut says 'I can't see anyone playing the way he has as scum', while my brain says 'Well duh, but that's the exact reason he's playing this way', and it just makes my gut and brain want him dead out of spite more than any coherent logic.
(Some of that post may be rude or unfair, but I haven't slept in over 48 hours now, and my brain is not in the mood to filter my thoughts out)
I'll be back in two days probably, deadlines suck.
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@Mindreaver
I'd appreciate you not killing anyone until A) Ghosting claims, and B) I check back in after the claim with thoughts. At this point I'd kill Ghoting or IMAB, but there are certainly arguments to take a stab at one of the lurker-ish scum choices.
TappingStones is probably town. He's been abrasive, borderline toxic, and I've had to restrain myself from just replacing out at multiple points rather than deal with him. But he's probably town. There's a certain kind of conviction and energy and consistency in his posts that I struggle to see him replicate as scum.
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Hey, can you do the whole game a failure and desist from these chicken***** flames? They are counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I have done nothing this game that would make any rational person replace out. You, on the other hand have flamed me multiple times unprovoked. So either be a big boy and play the game of Mafia or don't.
The personal attacks and attempts to anger me are not only immature but just show you to be an arrogant person.
I have played the game very transparently and honestly. I'm probably the most town read player at this point and I didn't need to spew off my role either.
This last post shows that you are purposefully trying to keep me from being accepted by the rest of the town, for what reason...probably because you are scum. I mean what a wishy-washy post this is "TS is probably town, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is scum". What is that even supposed to mean? If I am "probably town" you should be surprised if I flipped scum. UNLESS...you are just trying to safely throw shade my way. You are playing both sides of the fence.
People that are pushing for an IABM lynch are likely scum. That flip gives us zero information and there is no reason to think he is scum. He plays crazy as town. We were both town in Classic and the scum kept trying to get both of us lynched the entire game with similar methods as to how Bloscovi and Brinatoo are pushing at us. Bloscovi knows I'm currently very unlikely as a lynch so he is throwing shade at me while still saying I'm probably town.
No rational town player is going to make statements like that. It's the pure definition of fence-sitting. Why did he make the statement? Because too many people town-cleared him right away and now he's comfortable to say whatever he wants.
Several people have been mentioning how strange Brinatoo has played, especially over the last couple pages. Continues to vote for me even though he's pushing so hard for a Ghosting lynch.
Vote for a player you think has a very reasonable shot at being scum who can also give us something to discuss. Voting IABM gives us none of that. I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything. Those kind of kills favor scum, because we don't learn anything. We are playing with an information deficit. Scum would like nothing more than to keep our heads in the dark.
Iffy people that could give us good information, off the top of my head:Kraj, Hunger, Bloscovi, Brinatoo, Matowar and Ghosting. The first four would be my top choices (for information+likelihood of being scum). Matowar fell off tremendously and then "went silent" I could see that being him scared to put his foot in his mouth and just hoping to get through the day. Maybe he has already incriminated buddies? Who knows. Ghosting I've said is obvious town but if you kill him at least we get a lot of discussion. IABM or another lurker getting killed which is what BLOSCOVI is advocating gets us NOTHING.
Randomly day vig a lurker? That is NOT the plan of a good town player.
IMAB is confirmed town for claiming "Good Guy" before the whole role PM fiasco began.
Mindreaver scores town points for the claim, and it also explains his bizarrely scummy behavior. Over the past page or two. I'm content to say that he's town.
@Proph: I don't remember having a townread on Brinatoo. Remind me?
@Brinatoo: Okay three time. (Also four if you count this post.) But seriously, there's 18 people in this game. I'm not going to remember all of them all of the time.
@Mindreaver: PLEASE SHOOT MATOWAR. I'm certain he will flip scum. Please do not shoot Ghosting, I'm relatively certain he will flip town.
2. Matowar77 - SCUM
10. Hunger - P. SCUM
14. Kraj - P. SCUM
6. Jobie - ???
7. Brinatoo - ???
9. Dragon_Reign Huntzilla - I forgot. Town?
15. Ghosting - PROBABLY TOWN
1. Seppel - TOWN
4. TappingStones - TOWN
5. imabusinessman - TOWN
8. Mindreaver - TOWN
11. Prophylaxis - TOWN
13. Hardwood_Paneling SilverCrys3467 - TOWN
16. Bloscovi - TOWN
3. Gentleman Johnny - LOVER
12. not_a_gimmick - LOVER
2. Matowar77 - SCUM
10. Hunger - P. SCUM
14. Kraj - P. SCUM
6. Jobie - ???
7. Brinatoo - ???
9. Dragon_Reign Huntzilla - I forgot. Town?
15. Ghosting - PROBABLY TOWN
1. Seppel - TOWN
4. TappingStones - TOWN
5. imabusinessman - TOWN
8. Mindreaver - TOWN
11. Prophylaxis - TOWN
13. Hardwood_Paneling SilverCrys3467 - TOWN
16. Bloscovi - TOWN
3. Gentleman Johnny - LOVER
12. not_a_gimmick - LOVER
@Seppel-It seems we are pretty close on a lot of reads, what gives?
Also, why do you think I'm town? You've defended or deflected from my lynch and I'm curious why. You may have already said why but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Have I, other than asking just now whether lurking scum could be why your wagon hasn't taken off? It's not so much that I think you're town, it's that I've not seen much of a reason to think you're scum, and the reasons other people are giving for voting you - like overexplaining, and making one statement as if you knew a player's alignment (GJ, I think it was?) - have not convinced me.
I believe Mindreaver's claim. I thought he was town prior to it, and the claim tracks logically with his behavior.
Silver is extremely likely to be town. Genuine earnestness, effort, and definitively claiming Town X as his role format, when someone he would know is town (me) is telling him to his face that is what isn't in mine.
Prophylaxis is probably town. I've considered that he could be bussing Ghosting, but I think he's 100% town in Town!Ghosting worlds, and still like, 92% town in Scum!Ghosting worlds. His play just doesn't track as scum, and my uneasiness with him is probbbbbably just a function of Town!Proph getting lazy.
Brinatoo
Gentleman Johnny
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
Seppel
TappingStones
imabusinessman
not_a_gimmick
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I see very few worlds in which Not A Gimmick is mafia. He was my strongest town read early in the game, and his behavior tracks logically with someone who is townsiding, but lacks the desire and motivation to push the game forward, as long as the lynch is on someone he's cool with it happening.
I think I...mostly? Believe Gentleman Johnny's claim. I do think there's something one of the two isn't telling us, but I don't think it's strictly malicious.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
There's 3-4 mafia in those ten names. Can we just kill them all?
What do you mean 'Probably not'. Ugh.
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TappingStones is probably town. He's probably the read that I'd be least surprised if he turned out to be scum, out of my town reads, because he just feels like scum deep in my gut. It's not even something I can fully articulate. Some of his posts just feel like he made them strictly because he thought he should be making them, to look town, rather than them being a natural progression of his thought process. His reads have been starkly different to mine all game (he's pushed on me, he's pushed on Proph, he's pushed on Mindreaver, and I think one more I'm forgetting). He's been abrasive, borderline toxic, and I've had to restrain myself from just replacing out at multiple points rather than deal with him. But he's probably town. There's a certain kind of conviction and energy and consistency in his posts that I struggle to see him replicate as scum. He has fallen off in that regard the last 4-5 days, but he's probably town.
Seppel is also in that pile of 'probably town, but wouldn't be shocked if he's scum'. The claim is weird. I don't think it made sense as claimed from a town perspective, but it's...Seppel. Trying to be too clever for his own good is par for the course. He lacks...fire. He's posted plenty, but where is the desire and effort and energy? I'd feel a lot better about Seppel if I thought he cared about anything he's said or tried to push this game. I'll spend an hour on Seppel's ISO at some point, but I think he's just...had too little motivation in anything he's posted, to be scum. Very blase, very casual, very open despite lacking any kind of passion, energy, or effort.
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
imabusinessman
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That's all of my decent strength town reads (or not-mafia reads, in NAG/GJ's case).
There are very likely 3-4 mafia in the remaining 8 names.
I do not feel extremely strongly about any of them, except Ghosting, and even that has been shaken a little bit with this claim talk.
Going to talk about each of them, but there's a lot of waffling going on here. I can see any of these 8 as either alignment.
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My gut says Matowar is probably town. I don't like most of his posts, I really don't. But I read them in isolation, and I try to put myself in his head, where it's his first scum game, and I just really struggle to see him making some of the nuances in posts he is as scum. I would not expect him to be role playing so enthusiastically, either. Maybe it's poor reasoning, but given he was mislynched in his first game, that has to be a hit to the confidence. To come out in the second game as scum for the first time and immediately draw attention to yourself just strikes me as very unlikely for scum to do. But oh man, are some of his posts so, so, so scummy in a vaccuum, especially when coupled with his inactivity, and popping in to make one weak post, then vanishing again, it's just. Ergh. Gut read. Light town. Would not shed a tear if he died at some point, but I'd rather it not be day one.
Huntzilla is another gut light town read. It's not something I can articulate well. It's more that I can track most of his thought processes, and I've liked most of his posts. And I'll be honest, I think a little bit of it is a kind of contrarian attitude, because the reason people are giving me for scum reading him is 'He's not this competent as town', and that's kind of bull. I think I want him to be town, because that's kind of hilariously insulting (and a ittle bit hilarious) if it's correct.
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Jobie
Kraj
imabusinessman
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And then there were six.
It almost feels too easy?
I still think Ghosting is scum. It makes sense when considering the gamestate, when considering his reaction, and when considering the interactions of others with him and the wagon. I'm sure he's going to claim something that will deter the lynch, though, so I'm trying to at least consider worlds where he's town. But I just. Really don't think I'll believe it until he's dead.
Even if I treat him as Schrodinger's Slot, where he's both town and scum depending on the claim, that leaves 5 names.
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Brinatoo is interesting. In a vaccuum, there's very little I really dislike. The early game back and forth with TS felt natural, but the problem with that is the same problem I have with Kraj. It's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Because there's absolutely going to be genuine frustration and a lack of understanding when dealing with TappingStone, as either alignment. It's Brina/Kraj the person who is having that frustration and trying to understand, rather than Brina/Kraj the player. I originally town read them both for it, but the more I read back over it, the more null I think it is. The big thing(s) I don't like about Brina is the opportunistic vote on Silver, and then trying to play it off as a reaction test when I called him out on it being opportunistic. His interactions with the Ghosting wagon also are kind of...weird? In that he was testing the waters, but not committing. I think in Town!Ghosting worlds, Brinatoo is very likely scum.
Kraj ... think it's ultimately null. But the NAG vote felt out of place, and the Mindreaver push was bad. I acknowledge that he's been on vacation, but there's also the issue with activity/investment. I don't feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I just feel like he's kind of popping in like 'Yep still playing'.
Yep, that's fair. My playstyle is very time-consuming and apparently not working very well, I'm frustrated that I keep getting called scum without reasons, or for reasons I can't do anything about, the vacation timing just made it even harder to keep up, and I see very little of actual cases and reasons being made by other people that I can get behind. Top it off with finding out that multiple players aren't or weren't sure of their own alignments, that's not a normal game and that's not what I signed up for.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm suspicious of Proph. Townies would suggest "shot a lurker", and don't care whom because they don't have a dog in that fight. Scum would suggest shoot x person because they're lurking. Trying to direct a vig shot to shoot townies and never their buddies.
I'm suspicious of Proph. Townies would suggest "shot a lurker", and don't care whom because they don't have a dog in that fight. Scum would suggest shoot x person because they're lurking. Trying to direct a vig shot to shoot townies and never their buddies.
UNVOTE: Silvercrys3467
Vote: Bloscovi
So I thought I knew where you were going, but then you voted Blosc at the end of this. Why?
I have two abilities, which I'll do my best to paraphrase:
1) I can target a player who is dead and, if they have an item, I get that item. If I use this ability, I can't use my second ability during the same night.
2) I can target a player and give them an item. If I do this, that player can't be targeted by other night actions. If I use this ability, I can't use my first ability during the same night.
I also have an Ammo Clip (which I can't expend).
I win when I have expended three items.
My flavour mentions how I just want to make money and am unaffiliated with any side. It also mentions a disdain towards Janus.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask away.
So essentially, I'd like to help the town win and them help me win. I have no interest in a scum victory as I can't openly cooperate with scum, and that's only likely to make me die sooner, hence me acting as town as possible (I've been playing as though I'm time since I want you guys to win). I win as soon as I've expended three items, and I will happily expend all three to a single town player if that makes me win faster and keeps me alive.
I'm suspicious of Proph. Townies would suggest "shot a lurker", and don't care whom because they don't have a dog in that fight. Scum would suggest shoot x person because they're lurking. Trying to direct a vig shot to shoot townies and never their buddies.
UNVOTE: Silvercrys3467
Vote: Bloscovi
So I thought I knew where you were going, but then you voted Blosc at the end of this. Why?
And last. And least. Imabusinessman. He's intentionally drowned his slot in Wine from the word 'go', and it's about as anti-town of behavior as you can get. Unfortunately it's well within his town range to be useless and anti-town. He makes a reasonable dayvig shot, because he's plausibly scum, and is intentionally not playing theReally? You game, so it's better to just straight kill him rather than push a wagon that will glean little information. Like. My gut says 'I can't see anyone playing the way he has as scum', while my brain says 'Well duh, but that's the exact reason he's playing this way', and it just makes my gut and brain want him dead out of spite more than any coherent logic.
By why, I mean can you please include some reasons so the vote doesn't just read as OMGUS.
If your vote on him is simply because he's saying you need to die, your case is likely to go nowhere as people will just read it as OMGUS. It'd help if you had other reasons as well.
By why, I mean can you please include some reasons so the vote doesn't just read as OMGUS.
If your vote on him is simply because he's saying you need to die, your case is likely to go nowhere as people will just read it as OMGUS. It'd help if you had other reasons as well.
I'm suspicious of Proph. Townies would suggest "shot a lurker", and don't care whom because they don't have a dog in that fight. Scum would suggest shoot x person because they're lurking. Trying to direct a vig shot to shoot townies and never their buddies.
Imab: I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to quote since you posted that twice with different quotes, sorry. :/
Bloscovi did exactly the thing of what makes me suspicious of Proph. I've long held suspicions on Bloscovi from previously in the thread. Despite Bloscovi's suggestions that I haven't done anything at all. I think it's pretty alarming that I'm more aware of the game state than you are.
Bloscovi did exactly the thing of what makes me suspicious of Proph. I've long held suspicions on Bloscovi from previously in the thread. Despite Bloscovi's suggestions that I haven't done anything at all. I think it's pretty alarming that I'm more aware of the game state than you are.
I mean to claim you're more aware is both a stretch and a misrep; you're talking about your own specific view, and I'm not suspicious of either of those players rn. I just wanted you to elaborate because all I saw was the vote and thought you misquoted. Now that you've explained, all is good.
But since you are more aware of the game state than I am, I should use this opportunity to gain some insight:
1) In a world where Proph is scum, can Blosc also be scum?
2) In a world where Blosc is scum, can Proph also be scum?
3) Do you feel that your input level is positively or negatively indicative or your alignment? As in, do you think your play comes off as town?
4) You're more aware than I am, so you probably have a good response to this one: How do you feel about Seppel's voting history? Specifically, his early jump onto Mindreaver, followed by an almost immediate switch to Brinatoo. Is there anything you caught about Seppel that I haven't?
5) Who are three players you'd like to see Mindreaver kill?
6) What do you think we would gain from the death of the players you chose in #5?
7) How do you feel about TappingStones saying I'm obviously town but should be today's lynch?
People that are pushing for an IABM lynch are likely scum. That flip gives us zero information and there is no reason to think he is scum. He plays crazy as town. We were both town in Classic and the scum kept trying to get both of us lynched the entire game with similar methods as to how Bloscovi and Brinatoo are pushing at us. Bloscovi knows I'm currently very unlikely as a lynch so he is throwing shade at me while still saying I'm probably town.
No rational town player is going to make statements like that. It's the pure definition of fence-sitting. Why did he make the statement? Because too many people town-cleared him right away and now he's comfortable to say whatever he wants.
Several people have been mentioning how strange Brinatoo has played, especially over the last couple pages. Continues to vote for me even though he's pushing so hard for a Ghosting lynch.
Vote for a player you think has a very reasonable shot at being scum who can also give us something to discuss. Voting IABM gives us none of that. I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything. Those kind of kills favor scum, because we don't learn anything. We are playing with an information deficit. Scum would like nothing more than to keep our heads in the dark.
You say this, but...
Is it reasonable to try and agree on a daylynch that isn't Ghosting? I have a very strong town read on him. Can we at least see a daylynch flip that could give us some interaction analysis?
Read above^^ Proph barning all of Blos and tunneling Ghosting just comes across so scummy to me. His interactions with Blos coupled with how much time he spent babbling about theory are all warning bells for me.
Ghosting is not the lynch today unless something drastically new presents itself.
Also...
We are playing with an information deficit.
We are absolutely not playing with an information deficit. We have multiple claims, wagons, interactions, etc. It looks like you're trying to jump on the Ghosting wagon after many, many instances of saying how I should not be lynched today. The sudden change of heart suggests early buddying + hopping on for reasons you would've disagreed with not long ago.
But since you are more aware of the game state than I am, I should use this opportunity to gain some insight:
7) How do you feel about TappingStones saying I'm obviously town but should be today's lynch?
Ghosting you are utterly frustrating at times. Where did I say "Ghosting should be today's lynch."
Do you mean when I listed six people you being the last one and me saying I'm against it, but that there would be things to analyze? If you are so dead set on getting lynched today then I don't know what to say. There are a couple strong players town reading you and for that you are not hanging from a noose. But I am well aware that I could be wrong. I don't think I am but at the end of the day it's just a read. You aren't a positive for the town in terms of your post quality.
I've liked how you've fought off your detractors and it really does speak volumes that no matter how much heat you've taken you haven't gotten close to lynch range yet.
My girlfriend literally said this to me seconds ago as well, lol.
Where did I say "Ghosting should be today's lynch."
I was interpreting this as you meaning that: "I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything". As in you being like, "I don't want him lynched, but I'm okay with him being lynched". You definitely haven't explicitly said you want me lynched, I was just referring to what I interpreted as you being on board.
My girlfriend literally said this to me seconds ago as well, lol.
Where did I say "Ghosting should be today's lynch."
I was interpreting this as you meaning that: "I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything". As in you being like, "I don't want him lynched, but I'm okay with him being lynched". You definitely haven't explicitly said you want me lynched, I was just referring to what I interpreted as you being on board.
I'm not on board but there is the % of the time I could be wrong here plus even if I'm right I still get information. It's not nothing. It's better than an IABM lynch to be clear.
I'm not on board but there is the % of the time I could be wrong here plus even if I'm right I still get information. It's not nothing. It's better than an IABM lynch to be clear.
Which makes the defensiveness make sense because he doesn't particularly care who gets lynched as long as it isn't himself. Well, he'd prefer item holders got lynched, obviously.
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Ok, I definitely need a full reread. 3 neutral claims in a 16 man normal. 3 to 4 scum. That means almost half the players aren't even town.
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Unvote
To echo Kraj, "I thought this was a normal." Should've known GoldenEye wasn't a normal normal, I guess.
Which makes the defensiveness make sense because he doesn't particularly care who gets lynched as long as it isn't himself. Well, he'd prefer item holders got lynched, obviously.
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Ok, I definitely need a full reread. 3 neutral claims in a 16 man normal. 3 to 4 scum. That means almost half the players aren't even town.
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Unvote
To echo Kraj, "I thought this was a normal." Should've known GoldenEye wasn't a normal normal, I guess.
You should be aware that one of the "lovers" is likely not a neutral or Ghosting is lying.
I'm not on board but there is the % of the time I could be wrong here plus even if I'm right I still get information. It's not nothing. It's better than an IABM lynch to be clear.
How does my claim affect your view?
Not a whole lot. I'm not as big on claims as I am on behavior.
And I'm sorry I haven't gotten to the reread I said I was going to do, my desktop crashed two nights ago and I just got it back up (Ubuntu + Nvidia Drivers = Headache). So I've just been keeping up on mobile while I fix it.
Just a quick update from work. I'm not going to be hasty on the vig kill. If I wasn't interested in making the right choice, and I'm treating it just like we get two lynches today. I probably could have fired already, if I'd wanted to just make an impulsive choice. So if you're a suspect, you'll have an opportunity to make a case for yourself. If you're making a case for somebody else, don't worry that I'm going to read an impassioned post and fire away.
All that said, I think it's important we get it done in the next few days. Maybe by the end of this weekend, since the deadline for our lynch is the 18th. That would give us roughly a week to discuss afterward.
If I wasn't trying to avoid death, I would be much more adamant about my shoot someone in the face by 500 posts. Shooting IMAB/Ghosting/Hunger will all be acceptable.
You should be aware that one of the "lovers" is likely not a neutral or Ghosting is lying.
@TS If you'd asked me 700 posts ago, how much I'd enjoy your thought process, I'd have been completely wrong.
I was thinking the exact same thing about the lovers. GJ would be my pick for scum affiliation. Because JB is definitely sometimes "lovers" with the bad guys. Like in The World is Not Enough.
Anyway, meta gaming isn't proof, and it's probably not even reliable, but it's worth keeping in the back of our minds, with this many neutral claims.
You should be aware that one of the "lovers" is likely not a neutral or Ghosting is lying.
I'm fully aware. I believe the claim, and I'm fine with the lovers claiming neutral. I've already said I'm suspicious of them but I'm not looking at them for a lynch right now and don't wish to speculate.
You should be aware that one of the "lovers" is likely not a neutral or Ghosting is lying.
I'm fully aware. I believe the claim, and I'm fine with the lovers claiming neutral. I've already said I'm suspicious of them but I'm not looking at them for a lynch right now and don't wish to speculate.
I'm not suggesting we can speculate accurately. It's just one of those things I have written down in my notes. I'm sort of salivating for a flip though and hoping that Mindreaver gives us something juicy.
If I wasn't trying to avoid death, I would be much more adamant about my shoot someone in the face by 500 posts. Shooting IMAB/Ghosting/Hunger will all be acceptable.
@ghosting
I see your questions and I'll answer them whenever, but before then I just wanna say holy mother, the scum are coming out of the woodwork.
@TS If you'd asked me 700 posts ago, how much I'd enjoy your thought process, I'd have been completely wrong.
I was thinking the exact same thing about the lovers. GJ would be my pick for scum affiliation. Because JB is definitely sometimes "lovers" with the bad guys. Like in The World is Not Enough.
Anyway, meta gaming isn't proof, and it's probably not even reliable, but it's worth keeping in the back of our minds, with this many neutral claims.
#889 makes me think GJ is scum. :/
The person with the shot has already said they don't want to be hasty, but you're pushing against that and saying they should. It's an interesting stance for a claimed neutral to take.
If I wasn't trying to avoid death, I would be much more adamant about my shoot someone in the face by 500 posts. Shooting IMAB/Ghosting/Hunger will all be acceptable.
Why does a neutral care how fast we take day actions (if at all)?
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I'm actually only about halfway through the summer semester, so I still have a little over 5 weeks left; the first 5 flew by though so I'm not too worried. After that I get 2 weeks off then am back for the summer semester, lol.
Are you asking me to claim rn? I was hoping my breadcrumbs would mean I wouldn't have to, but maybe nobody caught them lol. But I'm also not sure if that's what you're asking.
My reads are as follows:
Mindreaver
Prophylaxis
Bloscovi
TappingStones
Huntzilla
Neutral:
Gentleman Johnny
not_a_gimmick
No Read:
Jobie
Leaning Scum:
Matowar
Hunger
Kraj
Brinatoo
Scum:
Seppel
Unsure:
Silvercrys
So not much has changed since I last posted it; Brinatoo is now leaning scum and Mindreaver is now town of course.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Yes, please claim.
This Day has gone on pretty far long enough, and we need things to keep it moving.
Why do you think Brinatoo is scum, and what do you think of my PBPA regarding him?
Is it reasonable to try and agree on a daylynch that isn't Ghosting? I have a very strong town read on him. Can we at least see a daylynch flip that could give us some interaction analysis? If we daykill now we get lots of time to reread. I will absolutely put in the work for an in-depth analysis. Are others up to or have the time to join me on that?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
It's already 3am here so I'll catch up more fully tomorrow.
I think Mind should shoot Today, and preferably with enough time before deadline that we can actually use the info from the flip to lynch again. If he's willing to shoot Ghosting that's cool with me, and Ghosting should probably claim before Mind shoots him if Ghosting has a town power role.
On the hand, loose lips sink ships and all that.
@Seppel: can you pass the laptop? If Ghosting really is afraid of dying to NK after claiming and you want to get rid of it, you could pass it to him. I have an item that specifically says it cannot be passed to another player, but obviously I don't know if the laptop has a similar caveat. Sorry if you mentioned that and I didn't notice.
Yeah, claim.
If it's something that will definitively townfirm you, that information and gamestate re-evaluation is a good thing.
Roles and Items exist, it's not a guaranteed death regardless.
Knowing your alignment is a bit of a leverage point for the entire gamestate - people were pushing Mindreaver's wagon opportunistically in opposition to yours. Your wagon has myself, and 3 others on it that are very, very unlikely to be scum.
Like. Your behavior has been much better since you stopped fixating on defense and actually started posting, but it's not outside of the realm of fake-able especially since you turned right around and did the logic/rhetoric thing with Mindreaver, who is also apparently town.
I need your alignment confirmation for the game to really progress. Either your (probably scum) corpse on the ground, or something that makes you very likely to be town.
The entire point of my day one shtick where I latch onto something I don't like is that it forces people to interact with it, or consciously avoid interacting with it. Knowing your alignment creates a ton of information in that regard.
Going to go back and look at a few things, I have 20 minutes free or so.
I have been, and will be, insanely busy, so I'm trying not to get too invested. Just once I start posting I can't stop.
I have a real problem.
Brinatoo
Gentleman Johnny
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
Mindreaver
Prophylaxis
Seppel
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
TappingStones
imabusinessman
not_a_gimmick
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I'm town.
I believe Mindreaver's claim. I thought he was town prior to it, and the claim tracks logically with his behavior.
Silver is extremely likely to be town. Genuine earnestness, effort, and definitively claiming Town X as his role format, when someone he would know is town (me) is telling him to his face that is what isn't in mine.
Prophylaxis is probably town. I've considered that he could be bussing Ghosting, but I think he's 100% town in Town!Ghosting worlds, and still like, 92% town in Scum!Ghosting worlds. His play just doesn't track as scum, and my uneasiness with him is probbbbbably just a function of Town!Proph getting lazy.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis
Brinatoo
Gentleman Johnny
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
Seppel
TappingStones
imabusinessman
not_a_gimmick
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I see very few worlds in which Not A Gimmick is mafia. He was my strongest town read early in the game, and his behavior tracks logically with someone who is townsiding, but lacks the desire and motivation to push the game forward, as long as the lynch is on someone he's cool with it happening.
I think I...mostly? Believe Gentleman Johnny's claim. I do think there's something one of the two isn't telling us, but I don't think it's strictly malicious.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis
not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
Seppel
TappingStones
imabusinessman
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There's 3-4 mafia in those ten names. Can we just kill them all?
What do you mean 'Probably not'. Ugh.
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TappingStones is probably town. He's probably the read that I'd be least surprised if he turned out to be scum, out of my town reads, because he just feels like scum deep in my gut. It's not even something I can fully articulate. Some of his posts just feel like he made them strictly because he thought he should be making them, to look town, rather than them being a natural progression of his thought process. His reads have been starkly different to mine all game (he's pushed on me, he's pushed on Proph, he's pushed on Mindreaver, and I think one more I'm forgetting). He's been abrasive, borderline toxic, and I've had to restrain myself from just replacing out at multiple points rather than deal with him. But he's probably town. There's a certain kind of conviction and energy and consistency in his posts that I struggle to see him replicate as scum. He has fallen off in that regard the last 4-5 days, but he's probably town.
Seppel is also in that pile of 'probably town, but wouldn't be shocked if he's scum'. The claim is weird. I don't think it made sense as claimed from a town perspective, but it's...Seppel. Trying to be too clever for his own good is par for the course. He lacks...fire. He's posted plenty, but where is the desire and effort and energy? I'd feel a lot better about Seppel if I thought he cared about anything he's said or tried to push this game. I'll spend an hour on Seppel's ISO at some point, but I think he's just...had too little motivation in anything he's posted, to be scum. Very blase, very casual, very open despite lacking any kind of passion, energy, or effort.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis
not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
TappingStones
Seppel
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Jobie
Kraj
Matowar77
imabusinessman
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That's all of my decent strength town reads (or not-mafia reads, in NAG/GJ's case).
There are very likely 3-4 mafia in the remaining 8 names.
I do not feel extremely strongly about any of them, except Ghosting, and even that has been shaken a little bit with this claim talk.
Going to talk about each of them, but there's a lot of waffling going on here. I can see any of these 8 as either alignment.
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My gut says Matowar is probably town. I don't like most of his posts, I really don't. But I read them in isolation, and I try to put myself in his head, where it's his first scum game, and I just really struggle to see him making some of the nuances in posts he is as scum. I would not expect him to be role playing so enthusiastically, either. Maybe it's poor reasoning, but given he was mislynched in his first game, that has to be a hit to the confidence. To come out in the second game as scum for the first time and immediately draw attention to yourself just strikes me as very unlikely for scum to do. But oh man, are some of his posts so, so, so scummy in a vaccuum, especially when coupled with his inactivity, and popping in to make one weak post, then vanishing again, it's just. Ergh. Gut read. Light town. Would not shed a tear if he died at some point, but I'd rather it not be day one.
Huntzilla is another gut light town read. It's not something I can articulate well. It's more that I can track most of his thought processes, and I've liked most of his posts. And I'll be honest, I think a little bit of it is a kind of contrarian attitude, because the reason people are giving me for scum reading him is 'He's not this competent as town', and that's kind of bull. I think I want him to be town, because that's kind of hilariously insulting (and a ittle bit hilarious) if it's correct.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis
not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
TappingStones
Seppel
Matowar77
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Brinatoo
Ghosting
Hunger
Jobie
Kraj
imabusinessman
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And then there were six.
It almost feels too easy?
I still think Ghosting is scum. It makes sense when considering the gamestate, when considering his reaction, and when considering the interactions of others with him and the wagon. I'm sure he's going to claim something that will deter the lynch, though, so I'm trying to at least consider worlds where he's town. But I just. Really don't think I'll believe it until he's dead.
Even if I treat him as Schrodinger's Slot, where he's both town and scum depending on the claim, that leaves 5 names.
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Brinatoo is interesting. In a vaccuum, there's very little I really dislike. The early game back and forth with TS felt natural, but the problem with that is the same problem I have with Kraj. It's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Because there's absolutely going to be genuine frustration and a lack of understanding when dealing with TappingStone, as either alignment. It's Brina/Kraj the person who is having that frustration and trying to understand, rather than Brina/Kraj the player. I originally town read them both for it, but the more I read back over it, the more null I think it is. The big thing(s) I don't like about Brina is the opportunistic vote on Silver, and then trying to play it off as a reaction test when I called him out on it being opportunistic. His interactions with the Ghosting wagon also are kind of...weird? In that he was testing the waters, but not committing. I think in Town!Ghosting worlds, Brinatoo is very likely scum.
Kraj is kind of linked to Brina in that they're similar to me this game. Both are obviously competent and intelligent, and in a vacuum I don't have a lot of problem with anything they do. But Kraj has had multiple opportunistic votes and pushes on targets I don't like. The TS thing is understandable, even if I think it's ultimately null. But the NAG vote felt out of place, and the Mindreaver push was bad. I acknowledge that he's been on vacation, but there's also the issue with activity/investment. I don't feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I just feel like he's kind of popping in like 'Yep still playing'.
Jobie is shrug. The only thing that pinged me a little bit was the 'Oh I read the spreadsheet wrong lol' thing, when he's claiming he's useless as a D1 analyst. Gun to my head says he's town, but it's the squishiest read in existence, and he fits nicely into pretty much every single scum team by virtue of doing nothing remotely town.
Hunger is more shrug. Some of his questions feel empty. The stuff with role PM's felt vaguely town, but imminently fakeable. PoE scum at best, I don't think I learn anything from his death no matter what he flips.
And last. And least. Imabusinessman. He's intentionally drowned his slot in Wine from the word 'go', and it's about as anti-town of behavior as you can get. Unfortunately it's well within his town range to be useless and anti-town. He makes a reasonable dayvig shot, because he's plausibly scum, and is intentionally not playing the game, so it's better to just straight kill him rather than push a wagon that will glean little information. Like. My gut says 'I can't see anyone playing the way he has as scum', while my brain says 'Well duh, but that's the exact reason he's playing this way', and it just makes my gut and brain want him dead out of spite more than any coherent logic.
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Bloscovi
Mindreaver
SilverCrys3467 (r. Hardwood_Paneling)
Prophylaxis
not_a_gimmick
Gentleman Johnny
TappingStones
Seppel
Matowar77
Huntzilla (r. Dragon_Reign)
Brinatoo
Hunger
Jobie
Kraj
imabusinessman
Ghosting
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The biggest problem is just how little content the 5 black names have provided. The thought of any of them dying just makes me shrug.
It should not just make me shrug a couple weeks into a game.
I need to re-read, but I don't want to re-read.
For the love of god, scum team, shoot me night one.
I'll be back in two days probably, deadlines suck.
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@Mindreaver
I'd appreciate you not killing anyone until A) Ghosting claims, and B) I check back in after the claim with thoughts. At this point I'd kill Ghoting or IMAB, but there are certainly arguments to take a stab at one of the lurker-ish scum choices.
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TappingStones is probably town. He's been abrasive, borderline toxic, and I've had to restrain myself from just replacing out at multiple points rather than deal with him. But he's probably town. There's a certain kind of conviction and energy and consistency in his posts that I struggle to see him replicate as scum.
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Hey, can you do the whole game a failure and desist from these chicken***** flames? They are counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I have done nothing this game that would make any rational person replace out. You, on the other hand have flamed me multiple times unprovoked. So either be a big boy and play the game of Mafia or don't.
The personal attacks and attempts to anger me are not only immature but just show you to be an arrogant person.
I have played the game very transparently and honestly. I'm probably the most town read player at this point and I didn't need to spew off my role either.
This last post shows that you are purposefully trying to keep me from being accepted by the rest of the town, for what reason...probably because you are scum. I mean what a wishy-washy post this is "TS is probably town, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is scum". What is that even supposed to mean? If I am "probably town" you should be surprised if I flipped scum. UNLESS...you are just trying to safely throw shade my way. You are playing both sides of the fence.
No rational town player is going to make statements like that. It's the pure definition of fence-sitting. Why did he make the statement? Because too many people town-cleared him right away and now he's comfortable to say whatever he wants.
Several people have been mentioning how strange Brinatoo has played, especially over the last couple pages. Continues to vote for me even though he's pushing so hard for a Ghosting lynch.
Vote for a player you think has a very reasonable shot at being scum who can also give us something to discuss. Voting IABM gives us none of that. I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything. Those kind of kills favor scum, because we don't learn anything. We are playing with an information deficit. Scum would like nothing more than to keep our heads in the dark.
Iffy people that could give us good information, off the top of my head:Kraj, Hunger, Bloscovi, Brinatoo, Matowar and Ghosting. The first four would be my top choices (for information+likelihood of being scum). Matowar fell off tremendously and then "went silent" I could see that being him scared to put his foot in his mouth and just hoping to get through the day. Maybe he has already incriminated buddies? Who knows. Ghosting I've said is obvious town but if you kill him at least we get a lot of discussion. IABM or another lurker getting killed which is what BLOSCOVI is advocating gets us NOTHING.
Randomly day vig a lurker? That is NOT the plan of a good town player.
IMAB is confirmed town for claiming "Good Guy" before the whole role PM fiasco began.
Mindreaver scores town points for the claim, and it also explains his bizarrely scummy behavior. Over the past page or two. I'm content to say that he's town.
@Proph: I don't remember having a townread on Brinatoo. Remind me?
@Brinatoo: Okay three time. (Also four if you count this post.) But seriously, there's 18 people in this game. I'm not going to remember all of them all of the time.
@Mindreaver: PLEASE SHOOT MATOWAR. I'm certain he will flip scum. Please do not shoot Ghosting, I'm relatively certain he will flip town.
10. Hunger - P. SCUM
14. Kraj - P. SCUM
6. Jobie - ???
7. Brinatoo - ???
9. Dragon_Reign Huntzilla - I forgot. Town?
15. Ghosting - PROBABLY TOWN
1. Seppel - TOWN
4. TappingStones - TOWN
5. imabusinessman - TOWN
8. Mindreaver - TOWN
11. Prophylaxis - TOWN
13. Hardwood_Paneling SilverCrys3467 - TOWN
16. Bloscovi - TOWN
3. Gentleman Johnny - LOVER
12. not_a_gimmick - LOVER
@Seppel-It seems we are pretty close on a lot of reads, what gives?
Huh? I unvoted because of the claim, which I have no reason to disbelieve.
Have I, other than asking just now whether lurking scum could be why your wagon hasn't taken off? It's not so much that I think you're town, it's that I've not seen much of a reason to think you're scum, and the reasons other people are giving for voting you - like overexplaining, and making one statement as if you knew a player's alignment (GJ, I think it was?) - have not convinced me.
Yep, that's fair. My playstyle is very time-consuming and apparently not working very well, I'm frustrated that I keep getting called scum without reasons, or for reasons I can't do anything about, the vacation timing just made it even harder to keep up, and I see very little of actual cases and reasons being made by other people that I can get behind. Top it off with finding out that multiple players aren't or weren't sure of their own alignments, that's not a normal game and that's not what I signed up for.
Pretty much this.
Current New Favorite Person™: Mallory Archer
She knows why.
Silvercrys3467 (1): imabusinessman
Ghosting (4): Prophylaxis, Bloscovi, not_a_gimmick, Silvercrys3467
imabusinessman (2): Mindreaver, Matowar77
Hunger (1): Huntzilla
Mindreaver (1): Jobie
Brinatoo (1): Seppel
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
UNVOTE: Silvercrys3467
Vote: Bloscovi
So I thought I knew where you were going, but then you voted Blosc at the end of this. Why?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I am Pakistani Gun Dealer.
I have two abilities, which I'll do my best to paraphrase:
1) I can target a player who is dead and, if they have an item, I get that item. If I use this ability, I can't use my second ability during the same night.
2) I can target a player and give them an item. If I do this, that player can't be targeted by other night actions. If I use this ability, I can't use my first ability during the same night.
I also have an Ammo Clip (which I can't expend).
I win when I have expended three items.
My flavour mentions how I just want to make money and am unaffiliated with any side. It also mentions a disdain towards Janus.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask away.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Really? You didn't see this? Are you his buddy?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
By why, I mean can you please include some reasons so the vote doesn't just read as OMGUS.
If your vote on him is simply because he's saying you need to die, your case is likely to go nowhere as people will just read it as OMGUS. It'd help if you had other reasons as well.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Really? You didn't see this? Are you his buddy?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Bloscovi did exactly the thing of what makes me suspicious of Proph. I've long held suspicions on Bloscovi from previously in the thread. Despite Bloscovi's suggestions that I haven't done anything at all. I think it's pretty alarming that I'm more aware of the game state than you are.
I mean to claim you're more aware is both a stretch and a misrep; you're talking about your own specific view, and I'm not suspicious of either of those players rn. I just wanted you to elaborate because all I saw was the vote and thought you misquoted. Now that you've explained, all is good.
Do you see Blosc getting lynched today though?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
1) In a world where Proph is scum, can Blosc also be scum?
2) In a world where Blosc is scum, can Proph also be scum?
3) Do you feel that your input level is positively or negatively indicative or your alignment? As in, do you think your play comes off as town?
4) You're more aware than I am, so you probably have a good response to this one: How do you feel about Seppel's voting history? Specifically, his early jump onto Mindreaver, followed by an almost immediate switch to Brinatoo. Is there anything you caught about Seppel that I haven't?
5) Who are three players you'd like to see Mindreaver kill?
6) What do you think we would gain from the death of the players you chose in #5?
7) How do you feel about TappingStones saying I'm obviously town but should be today's lynch?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
You say this, but...
Also...
We are absolutely not playing with an information deficit. We have multiple claims, wagons, interactions, etc. It looks like you're trying to jump on the Ghosting wagon after many, many instances of saying how I should not be lynched today. The sudden change of heart suggests early buddying + hopping on for reasons you would've disagreed with not long ago.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Ghosting you are utterly frustrating at times. Where did I say "Ghosting should be today's lynch."
Do you mean when I listed six people you being the last one and me saying I'm against it, but that there would be things to analyze? If you are so dead set on getting lynched today then I don't know what to say. There are a couple strong players town reading you and for that you are not hanging from a noose. But I am well aware that I could be wrong. I don't think I am but at the end of the day it's just a read. You aren't a positive for the town in terms of your post quality.
I've liked how you've fought off your detractors and it really does speak volumes that no matter how much heat you've taken you haven't gotten close to lynch range yet.
My girlfriend literally said this to me seconds ago as well, lol.
I was interpreting this as you meaning that: "I would agree that Ghosting does give us that and if you kill him I'll be upset but it's much more useful than killing someone who hasn't done anything". As in you being like, "I don't want him lynched, but I'm okay with him being lynched". You definitely haven't explicitly said you want me lynched, I was just referring to what I interpreted as you being on board.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm not on board but there is the % of the time I could be wrong here plus even if I'm right I still get information. It's not nothing. It's better than an IABM lynch to be clear.
How does my claim affect your view?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
So Ghosting has an alternate wincon.
Which makes the defensiveness make sense because he doesn't particularly care who gets lynched as long as it isn't himself. Well, he'd prefer item holders got lynched, obviously.
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Ok, I definitely need a full reread. 3 neutral claims in a 16 man normal. 3 to 4 scum. That means almost half the players aren't even town.
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Unvote
To echo Kraj, "I thought this was a normal." Should've known GoldenEye wasn't a normal normal, I guess.
You should be aware that one of the "lovers" is likely not a neutral or Ghosting is lying.
Not a whole lot. I'm not as big on claims as I am on behavior.
What do we gain from the flips of those folks? Assuming they all are decent chance to flip scum.
All that said, I think it's important we get it done in the next few days. Maybe by the end of this weekend, since the deadline for our lynch is the 18th. That would give us roughly a week to discuss afterward.
If I wasn't trying to avoid death, I would be much more adamant about my shoot someone in the face by 500 posts. Shooting IMAB/Ghosting/Hunger will all be acceptable.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@TS If you'd asked me 700 posts ago, how much I'd enjoy your thought process, I'd have been completely wrong.
I was thinking the exact same thing about the lovers. GJ would be my pick for scum affiliation. Because JB is definitely sometimes "lovers" with the bad guys. Like in The World is Not Enough.
Anyway, meta gaming isn't proof, and it's probably not even reliable, but it's worth keeping in the back of our minds, with this many neutral claims.
I'm fully aware. I believe the claim, and I'm fine with the lovers claiming neutral. I've already said I'm suspicious of them but I'm not looking at them for a lynch right now and don't wish to speculate.
I'm not suggesting we can speculate accurately. It's just one of those things I have written down in my notes. I'm sort of salivating for a flip though and hoping that Mindreaver gives us something juicy.
@ghosting
I see your questions and I'll answer them whenever, but before then I just wanna say holy mother, the scum are coming out of the woodwork.
Hard scumread on Gentleman Johnny.
#889 makes me think GJ is scum. :/
The person with the shot has already said they don't want to be hasty, but you're pushing against that and saying they should. It's an interesting stance for a claimed neutral to take.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Why does a neutral care how fast we take day actions (if at all)?