is there a reason tordeck is scum other than that he hasnt done *****?
because i'd take his contribution to the game over atog and its not that much worse than rhand or the necarg/iso slot tbh.
He's been pushing a case on me based on refuted points which he's refusing to acknowledge. He's basically parked his vote on me and is specifically refusing to do anything else.
Also... this is white knighting.
Honestly, I don't know atog is scum or town at this point. But I do want to see pressure there, and saw JDs vote as a way to apply it.
Ah, so you were conscious of JD's vote being there. Good to know.
If you're asking why I followed JD, who I think is scum, in a vote. I'll just say that it's a perfectly safe vote for him at this point. We aren't close to lynch, and it looks like participation without taking a stance either way.
First of all, why are you acting confused as to my question here? "If you're asking"? I literally asked that. Not some ambiguous variation of that. That's weird.
Also... perfectly safe vote for HIM? You're referring to JD?
As far as the "there are many reasons for an extension", fair enough. It's complete speculation on my part. However, GJ went out of his way to make sure if feurochemists wanted to charge they should say something. I can't believe that he would have given them an extra day to just PM him to say "charging", especially after that extra warning right before the night began. I also don't see how not sending an allomantic ability would cause GJ to grant an extra day. The only scenario I see that makes sense to me, is either:
1) Nobody sent anything
2) Scum couldn't agree.
if #1, then it's all meaningless. If #2, it probably means the extension was because of a scum being AWOL. That isn't enough to prove atog is scum, because it's all pretty thin, but it's something to consider.
Yes, you are painting Atog as scum based on information that no one has. You specifically targeted a lurker (low hanging fruit) for something that could have been anyone's fault. I'd assume at least 3 people didn't put in abilities last night prompting the extension. One or more could have been scum. Scum could have not been able to agree on the NK. It could be anyone's fault.
Followup question: How is JD scum for not being dead N1 if you also think the scum had a hard time agreeing on the NK?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
"Followup question: How is JD scum for not being dead N1 if you also think the scum had a hard time agreeing on the NK?"
I think "not agreeing" was not really what I was trying to say. I meant, if Scum1 said something along the lines of "who should we kill, I like KJ and Hunger", then scum2 said "yeah either is fine, what do you think scum3?, and then silence for 2 days.
Then GJ says something like "well, I want to give scum3 a chance to weigh in, so extension!".
That's how I see that going. More of a "lets let scum3 have a chance to respond" VS "scum1 wants JD and scum2 wants Hunger".
"Also... perfectly safe vote for HIM? You're referring to JD?"
That wasn't clear. I'm saying that atog is in no danger of getting lynched because of JDs vote. So if JD and Atog are scum together, there is no risk for either one.
As for the "If your asking" part, I do a lot of technical writing, and I just saw my preview post contain three paragraphs beginning with "As far as X", and reworded the beginning of a few of them. I think I've posted enough that you could probably see it's just how I try to write. I don't use the same wording near one another, if I can avoid it.
@Rhand I don't have inside information about the scum decision making side of this, that's all speculation. But your comment was very perceptive.
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Really kj? THAT was white knighting?
I'm not even townreading tordeck. I just wanted dv to explain.
If I'm scum this game, my white knighting has been towards Huntzilla and Mindreaver.
Who, btw, still looks pretty townie to me.
Really kj? THAT was white knighting?
I'm not even townreading tordeck. I just wanted dv to explain.
If I'm scum this game, my white knighting has been towards Huntzilla and Mindreaver.
Who, btw, still looks pretty townie to me.
Well KJ answered it pretty well.
But I'll elaborate.
Tordeck has one scum read. KJ. He then says, I don't want a no lynch, but I've only put through one read. I'll pretty much lynch anyone.
And then he votes on like one of two people that he said he was town reading.
It is not that he hasn't done much it is that he is inconsistent for a bad reason. The reason being that he wants to lynch, so he lynches on of his town reads. No townie is going to do that.
You see the problem right? Then we start day two and he just goes straight back to KJ even though KJ answered his questions and he has just straight up ignored KJ's and my questions.
Also, Proph. I hate that argument but even proph was getting bad vibes and I feel like this is a large point against him.
On the mindreaver thing IDK how I feel about that. I was thinking similar things. I didn't really like his most recent post but I can't place my finger on why right now.
KJ's response was just flailing. And anyone that has ever played with me knows that I dont bother interacting with scumflailing, I made my case. It was solid enough for a D1 shot in the dark. His flailing after just reinforced my read hence why I stuck to him.
As for Proph's lynch, again anyone that knows me knows that I like lynches as they give more info (which is what town need) to analyze. Yes I voted for someone I had a lean town read on. I'm always going to chose a lynch over a no lynch early game though.
Starting to wish we had gotten the other brother. Iso's apathy is grinding my gears as I know he is better than that regardless of alignment. It is unfortunately a null tell this game as most players are just coasting along and the scum are technically ahead due to the two dead townies and no consensus among us as to whom the scum team is.
DV has been all over the place which is just as bad to me as it doesnt allow any real depth into his analysis of the game. Yeah town change reads based on the flow of the game, but he has been changing at what appears to be totally random instances.
tom is probably town, this feels closer to all his town games than it does SG1 Mafia which IIRC is his only scum game so far.
Other than myself JD is the only one here that I can see using his brain. Go JD! lol
Mindreaver I am trying to ignore at this point because his claimed noobness compared to how he is playing is just ******* with my head and I don't want to tunnel on it.
Rhand is trying, I think his RL life is messing with his ability to solidly play.
Hunt I need more from to get a read on and Atog is just plain absent which as far as I can tell is not alignment indicative.
Anyone else I missed needs to post more as I have forgotten you exist.
@KJ: there was no world in which Atog and JD were scum together. Atog looked a lot worse at that time so I dropped JD from my suspects list. And ever since he's looked a lot townier.
Ehm... a lynch? There's only 5 votes on Mindreaver?
Town Seeker, my one ability is to tell how many allomantic abilities are used during the night.
I'm not sure it does you much good at all, since we don't have any allomatic claims, which is where I wanted to lead this convo before JD just murdered me with that double vote. Pretty sweet move. I like that we didn't wait for Atog, and he still gets a pass.
Any of JD, Atog, Iso, KJ wouldn't surprise me. Tom, D_V, and Tordeck would surprise me.
I suspected Rhand early on because even though he was picking up scum tells, he was way too effective at it. Like he was trying to play as town, but couldn't hide the fact he had too much info (specifically some of the very early posts against Atog, like his tone and language, I was just like "he's reacting to literally atog's first 3 posts and he already has so many specific tells). As the game went on though, I got to thinking he might just be that good.
Last thing, I really am new. Sorry for being so scummy D2 to get immediately lynched, I didn't realize that commenting on that extension was going to be such a red flag. I guess I should have just lurked a lot more today.
Yeah, quite a move. Can't wait to see how that shakes out. But if he's got another "move vote" shot and is scum, you guys just lost.
I do have another move vote, and I can't believe you are still pushing for me to be scum. If I was scum I would have tried to survive another day and then control the vote everyday until scumteam won.
I'm convinced you are scum, your vague threatening tone, the slip and all your behaviour day 2.
Until I see the flip I'm not gonna change my mind.
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As for lacking analysis, I didn't want to bring up the idea right away considering it didn't seem immediately pertinent, but my instincts towards the whole early exchange between Atog and Tom looked like distancing on Atog's part. Of course, that might just be Atog's playstyle, but he seemed unnecessarily aggressive.
Shows that he’s thinking enough about his reads to consider alternate explanations.
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I like Shinen for exploring the possibility that Huntz was unvoteable, that feels like a townset poking for holes in that claim.
I agree and I like this as well.
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@Proph: do you still have that post from me on toxic links? I know it’s in a mafia game somewhere but can’t remember where.
Anyways, this is the kind of linking of players that I think most often comes from scum. Atog wants to read me as scum based only on the unproven alignment of someone else, and then later on tries to convince others that they should distrust me.
This was literally a month ago and I should’ve corrected you then but yeah this is a skewed analysis of my reads.
-Proph what are you doing, why are you believing rhand and scumreading shinen.
-Tom is making some huge posts that are purely about how proph words his sentences. I think maybe scum wouldn’t want to go all-in on someone they know will flip town, but on the other hand tom strikes me as an all-in kind of guy.
-#127
-#168 Killjoy’s catchup I had to reread a couple times. His points against Rhand were good but he had a lot of points against jd and proph that seemed almost excessively nitpicky and ended up not voting either of them. If KJ actually is scum though, that was a real quality scumpost by him.
-#173 Tordeck saying what I’m thinking.
-Tordeck’s spat with Hunger seems like town-on-town to me. I don’t know that much about him but I know he gets into a lot of spats.
-Mindreaver is bugging me a little, I feel like I get nowhere when I read his posts because they could 100% be from a beginner town or scum.
-DV’s push against Huntz deviates from the game’s established status quo for pushes. Leaning town for that.
-Huntz himself has come off as very reactionary this game so far.
-I would say that tom feeling complacent is a scumtell but tbh I can’t blame him.
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oh hey. unexpected town points for proph.
i havent given you many of those.
It does strike me as townie to be willing to look for town tells in your biggest scumread.
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All it would probably take for the scum team to defeat me would be to never acknowledge my existence until all my motivation is gone... so I do appreciate your write-up
I mentioned this offhand in my response to Mindreaver and he replied by completely ignoring my post. Real subtle
This page was all about Proph but I don’t think anyone’s opinions on him were changed here. TBH I’m a little embarrassed I was wrong about proph fakeclaiming but I still maintain that he would never fakeclaim in his first post as scum
-#314 KJ’s post here makes me change my mind about him, his points just seem on point. He’s probably the player putting the most work into the game at this point too.
-Jd is still town. DV is still likely town. Mindreaver is still a headache to try to read.
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Are you scum? Would you tell us if you were?
This felt really out of place to me. The only practical use I’ve seen for this question is to test a player self-awareness, maybe huntz just added it in because “That’s something a town player would say.”
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It's probably null since it seems like something you would try to do as either alignment, but I'll be watching closely to see if you use it as an excuse to avoid actually playing so BE WARNED.
So has he avoided playing the game?
This strikes me as a question-for-the-sake-of-asking-a-question question, since my answer would be blindingly obvious. In fact #360 seems to be chock full of ALPs (Artificial Post Lengtheners. Yeah I coin terms, no big deal) Leaning scum on Huntz now.
- Yeah DV gets what I’m talking about
- I’m sure I’m not the only one having trouble reading Mindreaver. An idea occurred to be here, in my experience new town players almost always get wagons on them early on since the scum perceive them as an easy target. Maybe the fact that Mindreaver hasn’t been run up is actually a scumtell ?
Anyone have any experience or advice with how to go about reading newer players ?
I didn’t really get anything new from here. Also lol had no idea Iso was in this game.
- Sorry tom, not convinced by your read on hunt since it gives off the same aura as your case on proph.
- 2 much talking about proph.
-Iso trying to get away with not reading the game seems like a towntell to me, I feel like scum tend to make big flashy catchups upon replacing in. Between this and Shinen I’m pretty confident clearing this slot.
- I think I would’ve freaked out and thought for sure that proph was the sk if I was around for his vig claim. Slightly glad I missed that.
This vote is suspicious, it’s kind of a “no risk” vote because he can always say he was voting as a formality, and the comment made sense from DV’s perspective which Hunt didn’t try to consider.
-I like KJ’s #597 a lot, I agree with his points and it shows he’s really thinking, and his anger feels genuine. Also, I chuckled.
Hooooly moly a lynch before I even caught up ?? Damn I didn’t see that coming, reading Mindreaver was one of the things I was most worried about but I guess now that’s moot. I’m gonna go down the optimistic route and predict that he does flip scum though, the deadline speculation stuff seemed kind of suspicious to me.
T/S List
Town :
jdisawesomesauce - Consistently shows that he considers all possibilities when looking at other people’s actions and that he’s trying to think about their motivations. I feel confident clearing this slot.
D_V - I mentioned above he’s been more than willing to break the status quo of the game and I feel like I could always see the mindset he had behind his actions. Also cleared.
Killjoy - His analysis is on point this game, probably our most valuable player. I think I can clear him too.
Shinen/necrag/Iso - I liked shinen’s early stuff and even though Iso’s hasn’t done much I picked up a couple townvibes. Strong town read.
Learn Town:
Tordeck - There was some early stuff that made me think he was town, more recently he hasn’t done as much though.
Null:
tom - Unlike the other null reads his is kind of like a bunch of scumtells and towntells that cancel out.
Rhand - He had a couple scummy things early on but he’s been pretty checked out recently. I feel a bit bad for him after reading about the stuff he’s going through irl, at the very least his excuses for inactivity are 1000x better than mine.
Mindreaver - I guess we’ll find out
Scum:
Huntzilla - Several things he said stuck out as scummy to me.
Alright guys, I’m gonna try to post AT LEAST every 24h from here on out and keep this game from falling back into apathy. Please, help me out by asking me questions, directing me to anything in the thread I may have missed, etc. The sooner the better, now that I'm back in it I want to at least get something done before Twilight ends.
AS I have said votes are 100% the main mechanic of this game.
And now we see the consequences of that.
SICK.
i mean, maybe.
but 2 roles a main mechanic does not make.
also fwiw, i used an allomantic ability last night.
if we hadnt lynched proph yesterDay, i would have used it on him which would have killed him anyway.
since we did, it just ended up being useless/wrong target.
so if mindreaver claimed true, thats it.
AS I have said votes are 100% the main mechanic of this game.
And now we see the consequences of that.
SICK.
i mean, maybe.
but 2 roles a main mechanic does not make.
also fwiw, i used an allomantic ability last night.
if we hadnt lynched proph yesterDay, i would have used it on him which would have killed him anyway.
since we did, it just ended up being useless/wrong target.
so if mindreaver claimed true, thats it.
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If we don't lose toNight, we're lynching jd Day 3 and you all are sheeping me for the rest of the game for ******* nailing jd the moment I replaced in.
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It feels as though the day just started, when that Mindreaver guy has just been running his mouth too much. Some of you are amused, others angry, but another group feels as though this is all an act. tomsloger stayed rather neutral up until Mindreaver this entire time, but after seeing the current wagon build up, and his emotions got stronger and more distrustful, he had to stop them. Mindreaver was no coinshot, his power was tame, so he could not stop the daggers as his body was mutilated beyond control. Too little too late, the mistake was made. Mindreaver was Skala, Town Allomancer. She had the following ability(s):
Allomancy 2 Shot Active (Seeker) You will find out the total number of allomantic abilities being used at night.
It is now Night 2. You have 48 hours to submit any and all actions.
Throughout the night, you all reconvene once again. There is a shifting of eyes, as most of you recognize that as allomancers and feruchemists, no one just does nothing. Sure enough, after a quick head count, you are short one tomsloger. In an alley, not too far from the town square, you find his body covered in glass knives. No matter how it spins, poor Cetal, Town Allomancer.
Allomancy Active 2-shot (Tineye) You may target a player, and see any player that player targets. You will not see what abilities are used.
The day may seem bleak, but good shall always persevere.
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline will be May 22nd (14 days at this time)
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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He admitted to moving Tom's vote. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't read the game ever.
Do what, exactly? I don't understand the question.
Ah. Then yeah, I believe he'd claim it. He was also a Double Voter, right?
I mean, he's been oozing scum since I replaced in, and I'm mad I let you guys convince me that Mindreaver was a better choice. Retrospectively, the avalanche of votes that moved over to him without resistance should have been a huge red flag, but you know what they say about hindsight.
Regardless, I have no intention of losing this game, even if I've done a really bad job of showing it so far.
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Ah. Then yeah, I believe he'd claim it. He was also a Double Voter, right?
I mean, he's been oozing scum since I replaced in, and I'm mad I let you guys convince me that Mindreaver was a better choice. Retrospectively, the avalanche of votes that moved over to him without resistance should have been a huge red flag, but you know what they say about hindsight.
Regardless, I have no intention of losing this game, even if I've done a really bad job of showing it so far.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The more I think about the Iso vs JD thing, the more I dislike Iso. I just can't phathom a role that can use 3 votes as a scum role.
@JD: was that a 1 time thing?
I was literally a triple-voting SK, once. And I didn't have access to my multiple votes later in the game.
Also had an ability on scum in Legend of Lucian - which you were in, IIRC - that reduced a player's lynch threshold by 2, which is, in effect, giving that player 3 votes.
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Didn't it turn out to be a bad idea in Lucian to give that role to scum?
Do you think GJ is the kind of mod that would put roles like that in his game?
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I still have a townread on jd. What happened was pretty much just a daykill, and even though it hit a townie that doesn't make him scum.
Right now, I feel like we're "negative" and we need to lynch scum today to get back to "zero." Huntz is my biggest scumread rn and the only person who I'm confident we should lynch. I've never really been good at convincing others but I'll try my absolute best to case him fully today.
That "extension because a scum was awol" thing reeks of inside information.
@KJ: I'll get to you. I promise
Also... this is white knighting.
Ah, so you were conscious of JD's vote being there. Good to know.
First of all, why are you acting confused as to my question here? "If you're asking"? I literally asked that. Not some ambiguous variation of that. That's weird.
Also... perfectly safe vote for HIM? You're referring to JD?
Yes, you are painting Atog as scum based on information that no one has. You specifically targeted a lurker (low hanging fruit) for something that could have been anyone's fault. I'd assume at least 3 people didn't put in abilities last night prompting the extension. One or more could have been scum. Scum could have not been able to agree on the NK. It could be anyone's fault.
Followup question: How is JD scum for not being dead N1 if you also think the scum had a hard time agreeing on the NK?
Ok. I'll be waiting. In the bushes. With binoculars.
I think "not agreeing" was not really what I was trying to say. I meant, if Scum1 said something along the lines of "who should we kill, I like KJ and Hunger", then scum2 said "yeah either is fine, what do you think scum3?, and then silence for 2 days.
Then GJ says something like "well, I want to give scum3 a chance to weigh in, so extension!".
That's how I see that going. More of a "lets let scum3 have a chance to respond" VS "scum1 wants JD and scum2 wants Hunger".
"Also... perfectly safe vote for HIM? You're referring to JD?"
That wasn't clear. I'm saying that atog is in no danger of getting lynched because of JDs vote. So if JD and Atog are scum together, there is no risk for either one.
As for the "If your asking" part, I do a lot of technical writing, and I just saw my preview post contain three paragraphs beginning with "As far as X", and reworded the beginning of a few of them. I think I've posted enough that you could probably see it's just how I try to write. I don't use the same wording near one another, if I can avoid it.
@Rhand I don't have inside information about the scum decision making side of this, that's all speculation. But your comment was very perceptive.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not even townreading tordeck. I just wanted dv to explain.
If I'm scum this game, my white knighting has been towards Huntzilla and Mindreaver.
Who, btw, still looks pretty townie to me.
Well KJ answered it pretty well.
But I'll elaborate.
Tordeck has one scum read. KJ. He then says, I don't want a no lynch, but I've only put through one read. I'll pretty much lynch anyone.
And then he votes on like one of two people that he said he was town reading.
It is not that he hasn't done much it is that he is inconsistent for a bad reason. The reason being that he wants to lynch, so he lynches on of his town reads. No townie is going to do that.
You see the problem right? Then we start day two and he just goes straight back to KJ even though KJ answered his questions and he has just straight up ignored KJ's and my questions.
Also, Proph. I hate that argument but even proph was getting bad vibes and I feel like this is a large point against him.
On the mindreaver thing IDK how I feel about that. I was thinking similar things. I didn't really like his most recent post but I can't place my finger on why right now.
unvote, vote Mindreaver
Y?
As for Proph's lynch, again anyone that knows me knows that I like lynches as they give more info (which is what town need) to analyze. Yes I voted for someone I had a lean town read on. I'm always going to chose a lynch over a no lynch early game though.
Starting to wish we had gotten the other brother. Iso's apathy is grinding my gears as I know he is better than that regardless of alignment. It is unfortunately a null tell this game as most players are just coasting along and the scum are technically ahead due to the two dead townies and no consensus among us as to whom the scum team is.
DV has been all over the place which is just as bad to me as it doesnt allow any real depth into his analysis of the game. Yeah town change reads based on the flow of the game, but he has been changing at what appears to be totally random instances.
tom is probably town, this feels closer to all his town games than it does SG1 Mafia which IIRC is his only scum game so far.
Other than myself JD is the only one here that I can see using his brain. Go JD! lol
Mindreaver I am trying to ignore at this point because his claimed noobness compared to how he is playing is just ******* with my head and I don't want to tunnel on it.
Rhand is trying, I think his RL life is messing with his ability to solidly play.
Hunt I need more from to get a read on and Atog is just plain absent which as far as I can tell is not alignment indicative.
Anyone else I missed needs to post more as I have forgotten you exist.
The Family
Lol that was quick.
Well, that was quick.
jdisawesomesauce
Iso
Killjoy - (1) Tordeck
Tordeck - (1) D_V
tomsloger
Mindreaver - (5) Killjoy, Iso, Rhand, jdisawesomesauce, jdisawesomesauce
Rhand
Atogholic - (1) Mindreaver
Hunger
D_V - (2) Huntzilla, tomsloger
Huntzilla
As of this post, a lynch has occurred. It is now twilight. Night scene will be posted in about six hours.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ehm... a lynch? There's only 5 votes on Mindreaver?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm not sure it does you much good at all, since we don't have any allomatic claims, which is where I wanted to lead this convo before JD just murdered me with that double vote. Pretty sweet move. I like that we didn't wait for Atog, and he still gets a pass.
Any of JD, Atog, Iso, KJ wouldn't surprise me. Tom, D_V, and Tordeck would surprise me.
I suspected Rhand early on because even though he was picking up scum tells, he was way too effective at it. Like he was trying to play as town, but couldn't hide the fact he had too much info (specifically some of the very early posts against Atog, like his tone and language, I was just like "he's reacting to literally atog's first 3 posts and he already has so many specific tells). As the game went on though, I got to thinking he might just be that good.
Last thing, I really am new. Sorry for being so scummy D2 to get immediately lynched, I didn't realize that commenting on that extension was going to be such a red flag. I guess I should have just lurked a lot more today.
2, me and another.
We're gonna be so far behind
Unless mindreaver flips scum, then do whatever you want
I do have another move vote, and I can't believe you are still pushing for me to be scum. If I was scum I would have tried to survive another day and then control the vote everyday until scumteam won.
I'm convinced you are scum, your vague threatening tone, the slip and all your behaviour day 2.
Until I see the flip I'm not gonna change my mind.
I agree and I like this as well.
This was literally a month ago and I should’ve corrected you then but yeah this is a skewed analysis of my reads.
-Proph what are you doing, why are you believing rhand and scumreading shinen.
-Tom is making some huge posts that are purely about how proph words his sentences. I think maybe scum wouldn’t want to go all-in on someone they know will flip town, but on the other hand tom strikes me as an all-in kind of guy.
-#127
-#173 Tordeck saying what I’m thinking.
-Tordeck’s spat with Hunger seems like town-on-town to me. I don’t know that much about him but I know he gets into a lot of spats.
-Mindreaver is bugging me a little, I feel like I get nowhere when I read his posts because they could 100% be from a beginner town or scum.
-Huntz himself has come off as very reactionary this game so far.
-I would say that tom feeling complacent is a scumtell but tbh I can’t blame him.
I mentioned this offhand in my response to Mindreaver and he replied by completely ignoring my post. Real subtle
This page was all about Proph but I don’t think anyone’s opinions on him were changed here. TBH I’m a little embarrassed I was wrong about proph fakeclaiming but I still maintain that he would never fakeclaim in his first post as scum
-Jd is still town. DV is still likely town. Mindreaver is still a headache to try to read.
This felt really out of place to me. The only practical use I’ve seen for this question is to test a player self-awareness, maybe huntz just added it in because “That’s something a town player would say.”
- Yeah DV gets what I’m talking about
- I’m sure I’m not the only one having trouble reading Mindreaver. An idea occurred to be here, in my experience new town players almost always get wagons on them early on since the scum perceive them as an easy target. Maybe the fact that Mindreaver hasn’t been run up is actually a scumtell ?
Anyone have any experience or advice with how to go about reading newer players ?
- 2 much talking about proph.
-Iso trying to get away with not reading the game seems like a towntell to me, I feel like scum tend to make big flashy catchups upon replacing in. Between this and Shinen I’m pretty confident clearing this slot.
- Town apathy reaches it’s peak here, proph gets lynched. rip.
-I like KJ’s #597 a lot, I agree with his points and it shows he’s really thinking, and his anger feels genuine. Also, I chuckled.
T/S List
Town :
jdisawesomesauce - Consistently shows that he considers all possibilities when looking at other people’s actions and that he’s trying to think about their motivations. I feel confident clearing this slot.
D_V - I mentioned above he’s been more than willing to break the status quo of the game and I feel like I could always see the mindset he had behind his actions. Also cleared.
Killjoy - His analysis is on point this game, probably our most valuable player. I think I can clear him too.
Shinen/necrag/Iso - I liked shinen’s early stuff and even though Iso’s hasn’t done much I picked up a couple townvibes. Strong town read.
Learn Town:
Tordeck - There was some early stuff that made me think he was town, more recently he hasn’t done as much though.
Null:
tom - Unlike the other null reads his is kind of like a bunch of scumtells and towntells that cancel out.
Rhand - He had a couple scummy things early on but he’s been pretty checked out recently. I feel a bit bad for him after reading about the stuff he’s going through irl, at the very least his excuses for inactivity are 1000x better than mine.
Mindreaver- I guess we’ll find outScum:
Huntzilla - Several things he said stuck out as scummy to me.
Alright guys, I’m gonna try to post AT LEAST every 24h from here on out and keep this game from falling back into apathy. Please, help me out by asking me questions, directing me to anything in the thread I may have missed, etc. The sooner the better, now that I'm back in it I want to at least get something done before Twilight ends.
And now we see the consequences of that.
SICK.
what are my scum tells? asking for a friend.
Tomorrow is fine, since this day is over already.
but 2 roles a main mechanic does not make.
also fwiw, i used an allomantic ability last night.
if we hadnt lynched proph yesterDay, i would have used it on him which would have killed him anyway.
since we did, it just ended up being useless/wrong target.
so if mindreaver claimed true, thats it.
HOW do you not get that....
Forget it.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It feels as though the day just started, when that Mindreaver guy has just been running his mouth too much. Some of you are amused, others angry, but another group feels as though this is all an act. tomsloger stayed rather neutral up until Mindreaver this entire time, but after seeing the current wagon build up, and his emotions got stronger and more distrustful, he had to stop them. Mindreaver was no coinshot, his power was tame, so he could not stop the daggers as his body was mutilated beyond control. Too little too late, the mistake was made. Mindreaver was Skala, Town Allomancer. She had the following ability(s):
Allomancy 2 Shot Active (Seeker) You will find out the total number of allomantic abilities being used at night.
It is now Night 2. You have 48 hours to submit any and all actions.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Allomancy Active 2-shot (Tineye) You may target a player, and see any player that player targets. You will not see what abilities are used.
The day may seem bleak, but good shall always persevere.
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline will be May 22nd (14 days at this time)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
tom was town?
Okay. jd is definitely scum. 100%.
Vote jdisawesomesauce
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah IDK about this...
Why would scum JD do that and then admit it?
Yeah no *****.
Nope!
Do what, exactly? I don't understand the question.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
IDK what happened there.
He admitted to moving Tom's vote. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't read the game ever.
I mean, he's been oozing scum since I replaced in, and I'm mad I let you guys convince me that Mindreaver was a better choice. Retrospectively, the avalanche of votes that moved over to him without resistance should have been a huge red flag, but you know what they say about hindsight.
Regardless, I have no intention of losing this game, even if I've done a really bad job of showing it so far.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"You guys".
Don't lump me in with Tom and the other kids.
@Iso: if you can't read the whole thread, then can you maybe iso JD and make a case? He's been very townie earlier and I think you're wrong on him.
I would also like to see a case on Tordeck from someone (or point me to one if it already exists)
I'll try to get a reread in, but that will be a skim on phone.
The more I think about the Iso vs JD thing, the more I dislike Iso. I just can't phathom a role that can use 3 votes as a scum role.
@JD: was that a 1 time thing?
Also had an ability on scum in Legend of Lucian - which you were in, IIRC - that reduced a player's lynch threshold by 2, which is, in effect, giving that player 3 votes.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you think GJ is the kind of mod that would put roles like that in his game?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Right now, I feel like we're "negative" and we need to lynch scum today to get back to "zero." Huntz is my biggest scumread rn and the only person who I'm confident we should lynch. I've never really been good at convincing others but I'll try my absolute best to case him fully today.