Damn, my post when astray this morning and have been biking for the last 6 hours, I decided I was anti a proph lynch.
Anyway after proph full claim, I thought about his charging and it didn't make sense. Why would PGO N1 = Vig Day 2.
I think he lied about his role and he would have died if targetted by any ability night 1. I think this is why he looked sketchy, because he was lying from the outset to try day 2.
I would have preferred no lynch to proph lynch.
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Since I'm unsure if GJ will fully reveal role PMs, I can confirm jd's speculation.
I was a Brute who could get a vig shot, but I died if I was targeted by any ability N1. I misread my role PM at the beginning (I thought I was actually a PGO!) but then I just decided to roll with it and falseclaim.
See, kids. This is why you don't falseclaim as town, and I learned that lesson.
(Sorry, Togs, btw! You don't know me as well as you thought)
He was a liar, he was a traitor. Time was running out, and letting some unknown twinborn run around was a risk no one was willing to take. After Prophylaxis was surrounded, Killjoy blocking the path for escape, Mera decides that running would be futile. Perhaps Harmony would recognize the efforts she put forth to best protect the realm. Prophylaxis was Mera, Town Twinborn. You know that the abilities that type of twinborn had included:
Allomancy Active 2-shot (Leecher) Target a player at night. That player will lose any Allomantic charges they have.
Feruchemy Active 1 charge (Brute) Target a player at night. That player will die. While charging, any ability that targets you at night will kill you.
It is now night time. Actions are due in 48 hours.
Edit: There will be a 24 hour extension from this time, due to many abilities not being sent/confirmed.
As the morning dawn came, the ten of you woke up. With a quick glance, you realize hunger was missing. To some of you, he was an amazing person, but others was a mystery. Not too surprising considering the trait he possessed. Hunger was Viela, Town Feruchemist. He had the following abilities:
Feruchemy Active 1 Charges (Trueself) You may reveal your role to target player. That player will see you as Viela, Town Feruchemist. If charging, you will be seen as mafia if targeted by any ability..
It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The deadline will be in 15 days (5/18/16).
well, this is just a formality, but votecount please
hey jd. do you think johnny would make a scum double voter?
I just went through JD's posts, and I saw NO mention by him that he was a double voter. Were you expecting him to be so due to the rampant speculation yesterday? Are you just expecting to see ANY vote at all?
I just went through JD's posts, and I saw NO mention by him that he was a double voter. Were you expecting him to be so due to the rampant speculation yesterday? Are you just expecting to see ANY vote at all?
i was expecting to see two, but i just want to see whats up.
he did say "voteS" in his first post of the Day, but the s may have been a typo since he didnt conjugate the "stay" right for plural.
fwiw, im not 100% on double vote = town. but it does make me lean that way.
if hes scum with an extra vote, it would almost have to have a caveat that it cant be the last two votes (see tappingstones in stargate)
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Well the first thing I thought when I saw the extension was that somebody on the scumteam isn't responding (because if they just couldn't agree, no-kill default right? GJ reminded people a few times about charging, so I doubt it's that). Does this point to Atog maybe?
As far as Proph goes, I wish he hadn't claimed PGO. I get it, mistakes happen, but man did that not sit right. It turns out that it was a lie, and a gambit to live to day 2, even if unintentional. But just... damn.
I just went through JD's posts, and I saw NO mention by him that he was a double voter. Were you expecting him to be so due to the rampant speculation yesterday? Are you just expecting to see ANY vote at all?
Yeah, I think we all kinda get Feurochemy now, after seeing how two of them work. It's not hard to figure out that his ability has something to do with voting, but apparently isn't a passive double vote.
Damn, my post when astray this morning and have been biking for the last 6 hours, I decided I was anti a proph lynch.
Anyway after proph full claim, I thought about his charging and it didn't make sense. Why would PGO N1 = Vig Day 2.
I think he lied about his role and he would have died if targetted by any ability night 1. I think this is why he looked sketchy, because he was lying from the outset to try day 2.
I would have preferred no lynch to proph lynch.
I've had to wait 3 whole days to respond to this. But talk about taking a stance with no consequences. GREAT analysis, you all but guessed his role, but waited to say anything until it no longer mattered.
if one post was enough to make me vote someone, id still be voting JD from like a month ago.
though technically speaking, thats two dv posts i havent liked now. i didnt like how he set up tordeck to take the fall for the proph lynch at the end of yesterDay either. especially coming before the flip.
but really, you should take that statement as symbolic that im starting my reads from scratch. i was super sure dv was town yesterDay, but i was wrong about a pretty major thing. so maybe i was wrong about that.
it helps a little that proph was lying, but i still gave my all to lynching town and need to reevaluate my reads.
im still pretty confident huntz and mindreaver are town. huntz because reading huntz is my specialty and mindreaver because, well, mindreaver.
but everyone else not so much.
Well the first thing I thought when I saw the extension was that somebody on the scumteam isn't responding (because if they just couldn't agree, no-kill default right? GJ reminded people a few times about charging, so I doubt it's that). Does this point to Atog maybe?
As far as Proph goes, I wish he hadn't claimed PGO. I get it, mistakes happen, but man did that not sit right. It turns out that it was a lie, and a gambit to live to day 2, even if unintentional. But just... damn.
I just went through JD's posts, and I saw NO mention by him that he was a double voter. Were you expecting him to be so due to the rampant speculation yesterday? Are you just expecting to see ANY vote at all?
Yeah, I think we all kinda get Feurochemy now, after seeing how two of them work. It's not hard to figure out that his ability has something to do with voting, but apparently isn't a passive double vote.
Damn, my post when astray this morning and have been biking for the last 6 hours, I decided I was anti a proph lynch.
Anyway after proph full claim, I thought about his charging and it didn't make sense. Why would PGO N1 = Vig Day 2.
I think he lied about his role and he would have died if targetted by any ability night 1. I think this is why he looked sketchy, because he was lying from the outset to try day 2.
I would have preferred no lynch to proph lynch.
I've had to wait 3 whole days to respond to this. But talk about taking a stance with no consequences. GREAT analysis, you all but guessed his role, but waited to say anything until it no longer mattered.
I really really dislike this post. The speculation on Atog being scum, the distancing from the lynch, the "oh hey jD's alive he might be scum"...
I think pressure here is a great idea. Vote Mindreaver
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
if one post was enough to make me vote someone, id still be voting JD from like a month ago.
though technically speaking, thats two dv posts i havent liked now. i didnt like how he set up tordeck to take the fall for the proph lynch at the end of yesterDay either. especially coming before the flip.
but really, you should take that statement as symbolic that im starting my reads from scratch. i was super sure dv was town yesterDay, but i was wrong about a pretty major thing. so maybe i was wrong about that.
it helps a little that proph was lying, but i still gave my all to lynching town and need to reevaluate my reads.
im still pretty confident huntz and mindreaver are town. huntz because reading huntz is my specialty and mindreaver because, well, mindreaver.
but everyone else not so much.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
still seems like townie exuberance.
hes saying what he thinks because he has no reason not to.
like, you or i wouldnt make a post like that as either alignment. weve been doing this awhile.
but mindreaver. man, that guy just likes to cast about hoping to stumble into scum. i love it.
hes town, and hes super stoked to try to catch someone.
he reminds me of a less inflammatory me from my first couple of games.
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I really really dislike this post. The speculation on Atog being scum, the distancing from the lynch, the "oh hey jD's alive he might be scum"...
Distancing? Really? I wanted proph dead, and I had reasons, which it turns out... were true. He was trying to live to Day 2, and he wasn't a PGO. Sucks that he was town, but if I had it to do over again, I'd still have been fine with my vote. He knew he was lying through his teeth with a lot of posts, people picked up on that, game over.
I probably did come off a little coy regarding JD. But I have concerns. If he's a scum feurochemist with the ability to vote twice when he wants, then we're in a very tough spot. His post about "I'd have preferred a no lynch rather than a proph lynch" only once the 7th vote was there, and not before, is questionable. Prior to the 7th vote? He was leaning scum on proph. In fact the only people more scummier to JD were me and atog.
I'm not sure why the atog thing is a problem. Is that not a good thought process? Or is it bad form/not what you look at? That the only reason for an extension, at this point, would be if one of the scum wasn't participating. Therefore take a look at the guy not participating. Also, where the hell is he? Prod over yet?
I'm not giving tordeck a pass. He was pretty open about preferring any lynch to a no lynch, but the timing of it wasn't great.
I just also have worries about the timing of you pointing it out.
So much so that I would call the two of you an unaligned pair.
I'm not giving tordeck a pass. He was pretty open about preferring any lynch to a no lynch, but the timing of it wasn't great.
I just also have worries about the timing of you pointing it out.
So much so that I would call the two of you an unaligned pair.
WTF so a player shouldn't point out a player when hes super scumzors?
UHHHHH OK!
You keep taking the town on that proph lynch buddy!
@Mindreaver:
I like said I thought I had posted about Porph before my bike ride.
Also I just came across his kpaca quote in my reread, where he essentially soft claimed vig, if we had had more time to reread before deadline after his full false claim maybe we could have gone no lynch instead but what's done is done no point dwelling on it.
@KJ: Do you remember proph threatening to vig shot you?
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WTF so a player shouldn't point out a player when hes super scumzors?
no, what im saying you shouldnt do is know that the lynch you were considering voting for was going to be wrong and try to set someone else up to die for it.
WTF so a player shouldn't point out a player when hes super scumzors?
no, what im saying you shouldnt do is know that the lynch you were considering voting for was going to be wrong and try to set someone else up to die for it.
vote: DV
now im ready.
Oh god I really hope you are scum this game.
Cause you are playing so badly.
I was considering it eventually, but decided to not on principle. I had called Tordeck out for flip flopping on that about IDK a ******* week earlier? But no you right. I had that all planned out.
Life is throwing me more curve balls so I am a little out of it mentally and will be lurking more than normal till this gets resolved. D1 for me is always a crap shoot anyway so hopefully things will work out by the time it ends and I can get back into game mode.
That said I am a bit perturbed that we already have two claims made without any real wagons being formed. People are just throwing information out there and I can't see why town would do that. JD is just asking for a NK with his double voter claim while Proph seems to be trying to live past N1. Neither gambit seems that thought out. Probably means they are both town though as I can't see a scum mindset attempting such bad plays.
Still not convince Mindreaver is what he says he is, as shinen stated though there are probably good reasons for why I am feeling this way so I am going to back burner it for now.
Killjoy on the other hand I am going to pursue. His T/S list is just plain bad to me. I know KJ is a better player than that and he should have seen what I did in regards to JD and Proph. To lump them both in his scum pile looks to me like he is trying to set up a mislynch while keeping himself clean by voting for his third option.
Necarg, Since we have not played together that I can remember, what are you basing your judgement of me on?
Mindreaver is either the best noob I've ever seen or not not what he says he is. Its frustrating me as I want to know. I hate not knowing things.
The exchanges around Proph are good. Should be able to get some solid reads out of it depending on how toDay and toNight go.
OOG - There was a management change at my job and since I am the assistant manager there I am dealing with those repercussions. Also planning for a camping trip this weekend and dealing with three personal relationship issues. Its been a rough week to say the least. Hoping it all gets cleared up by Monday so I can put more time into this game.
I really dont have much to say. Its D1 and a week from deadline. We have no real wagons to analyze. No claims under pressure to react too. I've pointed out what I could, right now though its just shooting in the dark.
I'm already voting who I like is the best shot in the dark. (KJ) I guess I would move to Proph if we were close to deadline and it was that or a no lynch.
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Anyone go read Tordeck. Please. I could literally quote all 20 posts in here. And the only substance we have is.
KJ's T/S list is bad, hence scum. And then just voting KJ and then "Settling for a Proph lynch".
To be fair you flipped from "Why would you lynch JD?" to voting me because iso did.
Hunger called you on it and then you lumped him into your scum team, instead of responding to the point.
That scum team was myself, hunger and tordeck, with no mention of huntz or tom, both of whom, you were pushing as scum earlier on.
So you have being inconsistent.
That said I'm not sure consistency is a good thing, reads change in the light of new information and changing reads is something town is willing to do.
Feeling the need to maintain consistency to avoid questioning is something I can see coming from a scum mindset.
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To be fair you flipped from "Why would you lynch JD?" to voting me because iso did.
Hunger called you on it and then you lumped him into your scum team, instead of responding to the point.
That scum team was myself, hunger and tordeck, with no mention of huntz or tom, both of whom, you were pushing as scum earlier on.
So you have being inconsistent.
That said I'm not sure consistency is a good thing, reads change in the light of new information and changing reads is something town is willing to do.
Feeling the need to maintain consistency to avoid questioning is something I can see coming from a scum mindset.
I probably shouldn't have done his work for him, but I was interested in getting some answers out of you.
Why didn't you answer Hunger's question?
Why did Tom and Huntz no longer form part of your scum team?
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I'm pretty sure tom and Mindreaver are scum together. I'm ready to end the Day. Vote Mindreaver
I can see where you're coming from here. Not sure I can necessarily see both of them as scum. This is mostly because it means both Rhand and Tordeck are unlikely to be scum as well.
I really really dislike this post. The speculation on Atog being scum, the distancing from the lynch, the "oh hey jD's alive he might be scum"...
Distancing? Really? I wanted proph dead, and I had reasons, which it turns out... were true. He was trying to live to Day 2, and he wasn't a PGO. Sucks that he was town, but if I had it to do over again, I'd still have been fine with my vote. He knew he was lying through his teeth with a lot of posts, people picked up on that, game over.
I probably did come off a little coy regarding JD. But I have concerns. If he's a scum feurochemist with the ability to vote twice when he wants, then we're in a very tough spot. His post about "I'd have preferred a no lynch rather than a proph lynch" only once the 7th vote was there, and not before, is questionable. Prior to the 7th vote? He was leaning scum on proph. In fact the only people more scummier to JD were me and atog.
I'm not sure why the atog thing is a problem. Is that not a good thought process? Or is it bad form/not what you look at? That the only reason for an extension, at this point, would be if one of the scum wasn't participating. Therefore take a look at the guy not participating. Also, where the hell is he? Prod over yet?
Unvote, Vote Atog
Let me quote your last post and show you what I mean.
Well the first thing I thought when I saw the extension was that somebody on the scumteam isn't responding (because if they just couldn't agree, no-kill default right? GJ reminded people a few times about charging, so I doubt it's that). Does this point to Atog maybe?
There are many, many reasons the extension could have happened. Its equally likely that the town was at fault than the scum were. There's no way to know. The conculsion you reached that Atog might have been the scum that held the night up is one that's a little forced, and not up to your current standard of logic that you have been displaying.
As far as Proph goes, I wish he hadn't claimed PGO. I get it, mistakes happen, but man did that not sit right. It turns out that it was a lie, and a gambit to live to day 2, even if unintentional. But just... damn.
This reads like you're distancing from Proph's lynch. Like you're trying to evade judgement for being on the town!Proph wagon because he was just so scummy!
Super surprised to see JD alive (Oh Hai Buddy!). You DO realize that a town double voter is just as OP, if the scum wincon is to control the vote.
Here you're insinuating that JD is alive because he is scum. Now, there are reasons JD might be scum. The fact that he wasn't killed by scum N1 for being a maybe doublevoter is not one of them.
But yes, your point about him being for a no-lynch just a little too late is a scum point againt JD. That is not what you said though.
A question for you: If you think JD is scum, and has two votes today, why did you follow his vote on the Atog train? What does that make you feel about Atog?
I probably shouldn't have done his work for him, but I was interested in getting some answers out of you.
Why didn't you answer Hunger's question?
Why did Tom and Huntz no longer form part of your scum team?
The fact that you didn't need to do Tordeck's work for him to get the answers out of him about those questions... seriously?
Can we get more pressure on Mindreaver so we can sort him out and let me focus on Tordeck and JD again?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
is there a reason tordeck is scum other than that he hasnt done *****?
because i'd take his contribution to the game over atog and its not that much worse than rhand or the necarg/iso slot tbh.
A question for you: If you think JD is scum, and has two votes today, why did you follow his vote on the Atog train? What does that make you feel about Atog?
Honestly, I don't know atog is scum or town at this point. But I do want to see pressure there, and saw JDs vote as a way to apply it.
If you're asking why I followed JD, who I think is scum, in a vote. I'll just say that it's a perfectly safe vote for him at this point. We aren't close to lynch, and it looks like participation without taking a stance either way.
As for why I'm not voting JD right now, I'd lynch him this second, but I doubt anyone else is there yet. So my vote does more good where it is.
As far as the "there are many reasons for an extension", fair enough. It's complete speculation on my part. However, GJ went out of his way to make sure if feurochemists wanted to charge they should say something. I can't believe that he would have given them an extra day to just PM him to say "charging", especially after that extra warning right before the night began. I also don't see how not sending an allomantic ability would cause GJ to grant an extra day. The only scenario I see that makes sense to me, is either:
1) Nobody sent anything
2) Scum couldn't agree.
if #1, then it's all meaningless. If #2, it probably means the extension was because of a scum being AWOL. That isn't enough to prove atog is scum, because it's all pretty thin, but it's something to consider.
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Anyway after proph full claim, I thought about his charging and it didn't make sense. Why would PGO N1 = Vig Day 2.
I think he lied about his role and he would have died if targetted by any ability night 1. I think this is why he looked sketchy, because he was lying from the outset to try day 2.
I would have preferred no lynch to proph lynch.
I was a Brute who could get a vig shot, but I died if I was targeted by any ability N1. I misread my role PM at the beginning (I thought I was actually a PGO!) but then I just decided to roll with it and falseclaim.
See, kids. This is why you don't falseclaim as town, and I learned that lesson.
(Sorry, Togs, btw! You don't know me as well as you thought)
He was a liar, he was a traitor. Time was running out, and letting some unknown twinborn run around was a risk no one was willing to take. After Prophylaxis was surrounded, Killjoy blocking the path for escape, Mera decides that running would be futile. Perhaps Harmony would recognize the efforts she put forth to best protect the realm. Prophylaxis was Mera, Town Twinborn. You know that the abilities that type of twinborn had included:
Allomancy Active 2-shot (Leecher) Target a player at night. That player will lose any Allomantic charges they have.
Feruchemy Active 1 charge (Brute) Target a player at night. That player will die. While charging, any ability that targets you at night will kill you.
It is now night time. Actions are due in 48 hours.
Edit: There will be a 24 hour extension from this time, due to many abilities not being sent/confirmed.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Feruchemy Active 1 Charges (Trueself) You may reveal your role to target player. That player will see you as Viela, Town Feruchemist. If charging, you will be seen as mafia if targeted by any ability..
It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The deadline will be in 15 days (5/18/16).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
anyone want to take responsibility for hunger? this is a safe place.
Rereading day 1. Votes stays on atogaholic until I see content from him.
votecount please
hey jd. do you think johnny would make a scum double voter?
"He who smelt it dealt it"
Vote D_V
I just went through JD's posts, and I saw NO mention by him that he was a double voter. Were you expecting him to be so due to the rampant speculation yesterday? Are you just expecting to see ANY vote at all?
he did say "voteS" in his first post of the Day, but the s may have been a typo since he didnt conjugate the "stay" right for plural.
fwiw, im not 100% on double vote = town. but it does make me lean that way.
if hes scum with an extra vote, it would almost have to have a caveat that it cant be the last two votes (see tappingstones in stargate)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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As far as Proph goes, I wish he hadn't claimed PGO. I get it, mistakes happen, but man did that not sit right. It turns out that it was a lie, and a gambit to live to day 2, even if unintentional. But just... damn.
Super surprised to see JD alive (Oh Hai Buddy!). You DO realize that a town double voter is just as OP, if the scum wincon is to control the vote.
Yeah, I think we all kinda get Feurochemy now, after seeing how two of them work. It's not hard to figure out that his ability has something to do with voting, but apparently isn't a passive double vote.
I've had to wait 3 whole days to respond to this. But talk about taking a stance with no consequences. GREAT analysis, you all but guessed his role, but waited to say anything until it no longer mattered.
Do you think he was killed for "getting to close?"
Good point Rhand
+1
though technically speaking, thats two dv posts i havent liked now. i didnt like how he set up tordeck to take the fall for the proph lynch at the end of yesterDay either. especially coming before the flip.
but really, you should take that statement as symbolic that im starting my reads from scratch. i was super sure dv was town yesterDay, but i was wrong about a pretty major thing. so maybe i was wrong about that.
it helps a little that proph was lying, but i still gave my all to lynching town and need to reevaluate my reads.
im still pretty confident huntz and mindreaver are town. huntz because reading huntz is my specialty and mindreaver because, well, mindreaver.
but everyone else not so much.
I wonder if there's actually 4 scum and JD only having half a vote plays into that? Will be interesting if that is the case.
Rhand, why are you not answering my post from Yesterday?
I was one of them. I forget who else.
I really really dislike this post. The speculation on Atog being scum, the distancing from the lynch, the "oh hey jD's alive he might be scum"...
I think pressure here is a great idea. Vote Mindreaver
hes saying what he thinks because he has no reason not to.
like, you or i wouldnt make a post like that as either alignment. weve been doing this awhile.
but mindreaver. man, that guy just likes to cast about hoping to stumble into scum. i love it.
hes town, and hes super stoked to try to catch someone.
he reminds me of a less inflammatory me from my first couple of games.
Vote Mindreaver
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
...oh wait
Distancing? Really? I wanted proph dead, and I had reasons, which it turns out... were true. He was trying to live to Day 2, and he wasn't a PGO. Sucks that he was town, but if I had it to do over again, I'd still have been fine with my vote. He knew he was lying through his teeth with a lot of posts, people picked up on that, game over.
I probably did come off a little coy regarding JD. But I have concerns. If he's a scum feurochemist with the ability to vote twice when he wants, then we're in a very tough spot. His post about "I'd have preferred a no lynch rather than a proph lynch" only once the 7th vote was there, and not before, is questionable. Prior to the 7th vote? He was leaning scum on proph. In fact the only people more scummier to JD were me and atog.
I'm not sure why the atog thing is a problem. Is that not a good thought process? Or is it bad form/not what you look at? That the only reason for an extension, at this point, would be if one of the scum wasn't participating. Therefore take a look at the guy not participating. Also, where the hell is he? Prod over yet?
Unvote, Vote Atog
Yeah, IDK about that. I've started to wonder about Tom though.
@ Tom, why are you giving Tordeck a pass for that super scummy swap vote? Even proph thought he was scum and he noted that after I had.
I'll just confirm that there are other voting mechanics other than his.
I just also have worries about the timing of you pointing it out.
So much so that I would call the two of you an unaligned pair.
WTF so a player shouldn't point out a player when hes super scumzors?
UHHHHH OK!
You keep taking the town on that proph lynch buddy!
@Mindreaver:
I like said I thought I had posted about Porph before my bike ride.
Also I just came across his kpaca quote in my reread, where he essentially soft claimed vig, if we had had more time to reread before deadline after his full false claim maybe we could have gone no lynch instead but what's done is done no point dwelling on it.
@KJ: Do you remember proph threatening to vig shot you?
jdisawesomesauce
Iso
Killjoy
Tordeck
tomsloger
Mindreaver - (2) Killjoy, Iso
Rhand
Atogholic - (2) jdisawesomesauce, Mindreaver
Hunger
D_V - (1) Huntzilla
Huntzilla
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Maybe I should read it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I hate you.
Please are vote Tordeck.
Vpte Tordeck
The Family
vote: DV
now im ready.
Oh god I really hope you are scum this game.
Cause you are playing so badly.
I was considering it eventually, but decided to not on principle. I had called Tordeck out for flip flopping on that about IDK a ******* week earlier? But no you right. I had that all planned out.
tell me why tordeck is scummy. he was definitely more anti-no lynch than pro-proph lynch.
48 hours is the expectation between posts, short of requests. And remember, have fun.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Still liking KJ as scum.
Vote KJ
The Family
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Anyone go read Tordeck. Please. I could literally quote all 20 posts in here. And the only substance we have is.
KJ's T/S list is bad, hence scum. And then just voting KJ and then "Settling for a Proph lynch".
I've now summed up everything said.
Two things.
The Family
I don't think I've been inconsistent at all.
You going to have to do more than a one liner with no proof on that one.
Nice mud sling doe.
Hunger called you on it and then you lumped him into your scum team, instead of responding to the point.
That scum team was myself, hunger and tordeck, with no mention of huntz or tom, both of whom, you were pushing as scum earlier on.
So you have being inconsistent.
That said I'm not sure consistency is a good thing, reads change in the light of new information and changing reads is something town is willing to do.
Feeling the need to maintain consistency to avoid questioning is something I can see coming from a scum mindset.
Why would you do his work for him?
Also that's not inconsistent at all with my play.
Why didn't you answer Hunger's question?
Why did Tom and Huntz no longer form part of your scum team?
I can see where you're coming from here. Not sure I can necessarily see both of them as scum. This is mostly because it means both Rhand and Tordeck are unlikely to be scum as well.
Let me quote your last post and show you what I mean.
There are many, many reasons the extension could have happened. Its equally likely that the town was at fault than the scum were. There's no way to know. The conculsion you reached that Atog might have been the scum that held the night up is one that's a little forced, and not up to your current standard of logic that you have been displaying.
This reads like you're distancing from Proph's lynch. Like you're trying to evade judgement for being on the town!Proph wagon because he was just so scummy!
Here you're insinuating that JD is alive because he is scum. Now, there are reasons JD might be scum. The fact that he wasn't killed by scum N1 for being a maybe doublevoter is not one of them.
But yes, your point about him being for a no-lynch just a little too late is a scum point againt JD. That is not what you said though.
A question for you: If you think JD is scum, and has two votes today, why did you follow his vote on the Atog train? What does that make you feel about Atog?
I do not. Why is that relevent?
HEY TORDECK, I HAVE RESPONDED TO YOUR POINTS ON ME. THE FACT THAT YOU ARE APPERENTLY STILL BLINDLY SCUMREADING ME IS ABSURD.
And this, children, is called deflecting.
Also "well, at least I'm consistant" isn't a defense to "yyou've posted nothing of substance".
The fact that you didn't need to do Tordeck's work for him to get the answers out of him about those questions... seriously?
Can we get more pressure on Mindreaver so we can sort him out and let me focus on Tordeck and JD again?
This guy gets it.
because i'd take his contribution to the game over atog and its not that much worse than rhand or the necarg/iso slot tbh.
Honestly, I don't know atog is scum or town at this point. But I do want to see pressure there, and saw JDs vote as a way to apply it.
If you're asking why I followed JD, who I think is scum, in a vote. I'll just say that it's a perfectly safe vote for him at this point. We aren't close to lynch, and it looks like participation without taking a stance either way.
As for why I'm not voting JD right now, I'd lynch him this second, but I doubt anyone else is there yet. So my vote does more good where it is.
As far as the "there are many reasons for an extension", fair enough. It's complete speculation on my part. However, GJ went out of his way to make sure if feurochemists wanted to charge they should say something. I can't believe that he would have given them an extra day to just PM him to say "charging", especially after that extra warning right before the night began. I also don't see how not sending an allomantic ability would cause GJ to grant an extra day. The only scenario I see that makes sense to me, is either:
1) Nobody sent anything
2) Scum couldn't agree.
if #1, then it's all meaningless. If #2, it probably means the extension was because of a scum being AWOL. That isn't enough to prove atog is scum, because it's all pretty thin, but it's something to consider.