After Stargate I would think we'd let Cyan slowly get back into the swing of things. I'm scared the scum can swing him anyway they want, if SC is scum and Cyan is town again we might be in for a lot of trouble this game. I do hope everyone will start putting up ideas early so options become clear.
I also agree with Tom that it might be better to keep votes in the dark as the game goes on so the scum don't have as much information on how to handle the night. But on the other hand are we going to be able to get through an investigative phase productively with our choices hidden? Seems difficult and interesting to say the least.
I'll see what Daisuke has to say about this later.
Cyan should just worry about every other player slot if he is town tbh. Its doubtful we will both be alive for a long period of time, just save himself the stress because that guy cannot read me at all.
Also Rhand and Iso are unaligned.
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can we not start dumping on cyan again? i know i was scum when i said that before, but it wasnt an act.
if you have to discount someone's opinions before they offer them, do me. i relish in the jeers
show your work here, chris. i've read both of rhand's posts, and i've been roughly keeping up with iso. and i just dont see it.
do you mean KK is unaligned with iso, because that i totally see.
can we not start dumping on cyan again? i know i was scum when i said that before, but it wasnt an act.
if you have to discount someone's opinions before they offer them, do me. i relish in the jeers
show your work here, chris. i've read both of rhand's posts, and i've been roughly keeping up with iso. and i just dont see it.
do you mean KK is unaligned with iso, because that i totally see.
I don't think anyone's dumping on him here Tom. It's valid trepidation. He could come in here and bury the scum but if he is going to view things on a surface level and not delve any deeper than he did in Stargate it could be a problem.
I'd like Day 1's jury to be: Iso, Gentleman Johnny, Sir Chris
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Good point. We should elect players that usually die early as jury members for the first jury. I think That would be Chris, Iso and Cyan? Maybe GJ?
Alternatively, since I sometimes get my interaction analysis backwards, Rhand and Iso ARE in fact scumbuddies and Rhand didn't bother to read his buddy's posts.
I will go with my original statement for now though.
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those are easily the four players in this game with the best reputation though. apologies to whoever thinks they should be in there too
i dont really think its meaningful.
youre overthinking this bro. which is, i think, a good sign for your towniness.
have another glass of whiskey.
rhand could be iso's scumbuddy, read iso's post, and still independently come up with that list and think nothing of it.
im not saying thats what happened, but it certainly could have.
It could be the case, in theory, but I think Rhand is the type of scum player who frets a good deal about perception. I am pretty confident in this read or, barring that, me reading the interaction completely wrong. I don't think a world exists where rhand reads the post and goes 'let's agree.' He has too much regard for perception manipulation.
And let's flip the chess board, Mr. Sloger: what do you think I think about Wheat?
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i mean, maybe thats so. but even with rhand worrying about perception that could just be coincidence.
its literally the easiest conclusion to draw.
iirc, you have townread people in the past for putting themselves out there unnecessarily like wheat did.
but i dont know wheat, so i thought you might have an experience-based insight.
It could be the case, in theory, but I think Rhand is the type of scum player who frets a good deal about perception. I am pretty confident in this read or, barring that, me reading the interaction completely wrong. I don't think a world exists where rhand reads the post and goes 'let's agree.' He has too much regard for perception manipulation.
@SC-To be fair, I remember in Stargate (the last game you and Rhand played together) Rhand asked you in two separate posts what you thought of him as a player. I, like you have caught on to the fact that Rhand is very interested in how he is perceived, but in that game he was VT. What examples do you have from his scum games that he "frets" more about perception than he does in his town games.
And I'll have a Scotch on the rocks if you don't mind pouring.
Rhand scum games that I draw experience from - XKCD, Predator off the top of my head
In regards to Wheat, he town cleared me a bit too fast in FF and I roasted him alive for it. So I am wary that he believes he ca clear a player as scary as I am.
@ Seppel - I hope so badly that you are town because I was really salty people suspected me in Stargate and I thought it was just due to people wanting me to be scum so now that I am town you losing credibility for reading me would just... be so fun.
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Rhand scum games that I draw experience from - XKCD, Predator off the top of my head
In regards to Wheat, he town cleared me a bit too fast in FF and I roasted him alive for it. So I am wary that he believes he ca clear a player as scary as I am.
@ Seppel - I hope so badly that you are town because I was really salty people suspected me in Stargate and I thought it was just due to people wanting me to be scum so now that I am town you losing credibility for reading me would just... be so fun.
You're either very easy to read, or Stargate was one of your weakest games.
(Also with the large amount of Participants it makes it very hard to read multiple games for each of you and I really can't be ******)
you should just read Day 1 of stargate real quick. it probably wont take long
seriously though, we'll probably talk about that one a bit. it does share 11 players with this game.
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you should just read Day 1 of stargate real quick. it probably wont take long
seriously though, we'll probably talk about that one a bit. it does share 11 players with this game.
@atoga thank you.
Reading day two and after in Predator Mafia would behoove him.
@Tom- I thought we'd get more flavor from you in this one old sport.
@Tom- I thought we'd get more flavor from you in this one old sport.
seriously?
you can call me scum or question my opinions all you want, but my roleplaying is gold and you know it.
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I am not even going to object to that, except to apologize to anyone in the court suffering from quadrimurfractiphobia.
You are way off base here, Mr. Stones. And patronizing to boot.
@Tom- I thought we'd get more flavor from you in this one old sport.
seriously?
you can call me scum or question my opinions all you want, but my roleplaying is gold and you know it.
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I am not even going to object to that, except to apologize to anyone in the court suffering from quadrimurfractiphobia.
You are way off base here, Mr. Stones. And patronizing to boot.
Hey, it's not patronizing to encourage a fellow player to get into the spirit of the game. What do ya say Tomsloger? Give it the old college try why don't ya!
There is no way that his Day 2 jury pool will exist by day 2.
So that makes his Day 1 suggestion highly suspect.
You're suggesting that the scum are absolutely, definitely going to use their Uber Unblockable True Shot Triple Kill on all three members of my proposed Day 2 jury? And...what inside information are you basing this on, exactly?
Putting all the best analyists on the jury doesn't seem great either, because we want to have them to be a part of the trial as well. But with the amount of good players in this game that may be more moot?
I mean, ultimately, the people outside of the jury are pretty moot when it really boils down to it for the lynch. I'd rather have experienced players that have confidence in their reads and the success rate to back it up in charge of the only 3 votes that count towards said lynch. Additionally, the jury can discuss amongst themselves, and they see whatever discussion is happening outside of their QT in that time span.
I really don't understand what all the hubbub that D_V and you are kicking up about this is about.
I wouldn't say I am raising a hubbub about your plan, I am just asking you a couple questions about it. I didn't really even disagree with it, is it not natural to at least be a little bit inquisitive about anything in the game? You are right about the people on the jury being mostly moot, mostly isn't entirely though.
@DV That was a question, because I could only rationalize you saying that was going to be that some number of them would be killed. Which felt like an odd conclusion to come to, at this point in the game, because there is no guarantee anyone will be dead by then.
I think I've just played too much mafia. When I look at posts for people that I've played with before(which is basically everyone), all I see anymore is 'comparison to other games'.
Like in this game, Iso reads like town to me, as does Tom(or at least he doesn't seem like he did in Stargate).
I've given up on trying to read Sir Chris in any way, because clearly I'm just not going to be able to, so.
GJ, on the contrary, doesn't read like he has in his past town games. So there's that.
I'm not going to role play this game but just imagine that I'm affecting some eurotrash accent.
I'll be that guy and ask: who wants to be on the D1 jury? I'll start: I don't want to be because I guarantee you I will lose interest in the game quickly if I'm not in the thread.
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I want to throw my hat in the ring for Jury, as I will get the chance for something rather beneficial for us if so, and the earlier in the game the more likely this is to help. If I have to claim what that is to get people to believe me, I will, but I would prefer not to have to.
Will come up with a couple other candidates soon.
@Iso I tend to ask a lot of questions, probably too many. It just seemed like you were trying to paint my asking a question as starting some bigger push against you, which wasn't my intent
So I'm thinking we should pick the jury for day 1 based on how level-headed/careful a player generally is with their vote, and prioritize people that feel they have little to contribute to the game on day 1's, generally. Opinions and self-nominations?
What do hope to gain from asking for self-nominations? Doesn't fit with the statement just before it where you say we should prioritise people who feel they have little to add to Day 1.
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I know you've been asked this already but I'd like a bit more than "town fools around more easily"... Chris only had 2 posts at this point, one of which was a one-liner about looking out a window. How can you be so sure as to declare him town so early?
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In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
All the non-jury members would have to decide and lock in their votes then before the trial and lynch takes place. Too much can change during that period, and if a player changes their mind on who they want to put on the jury they have no way of communicating that until after they've placed their vote. Can't see how it would help.
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ok iso.
i know this is who you are. "iso the proud town lion" if i may get referential for a moment.
but you can't just decide two Days worth of jury based on reputation.
the first Day, thats perfectly fine.
we dont have much more to go on than reputation. (and the knowledge of how entertaining my colleague would be on a jury )
so i have no problem with you trying to dictate that, even if i dont agree that we should try to coordinate at all.
but again. for Day 2, lets base it on behavior. that is what the game is about.
in conclusion, no one listen to iso and vote who you want.
I don't think Iso wad dictating the juries for the first two days, I read it rather as suggestions for the kind of setups we should be thinking of, who would work well together and who would balance each other out. Everyone's free to vote for whoever they like, I doubt anyone will just blindly follow the suggestion.
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In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
This is where I feel the problem lies.
Lets say the town goes along with Iso's plan.
There should be roughly 4-6 anti-town forces in this game. So lets say 5.
That leaves 14 town votes. Night 1.
Now if we all go with Iso's plan and vote that's 14 votes on each with 6 votes floating for random players. We clearly win right?
But, lets say we know we are all voting for person X doesn't matter who, and they get killed. Then the person with 6 votes would become the new jury member. This allows the mafia to either put one of their own or a weak town player onto the jury efficiently giving them control and because we are currently talking about putting strong analysis players on day 2 some of them could possibly be mafia as well. So, this seems to me to be a suspect plan.
I don't know if revealing votes is the wisest thing. I don't disagree that it has merits, I just worry that it might negatively impact the town.
In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
it may be good to make it public, at least for the first vote.
but after that knowing whos gonna be on the jury in advance of night actions seems like a bigger boon for scum than town.
how was this mitigated in that game?
I'm going to have to go back and read. I think it was something like "These x number of people all said they were voting for Y, how did Z get elected?"
Does anyone think it's likely that scum and town could both have night actions to fool around with who gets elected?
Which game was it, that you were referring to?
And very likely that there are abilities flying around that might affect juries I hadn't even thought about that.
If you hadn't considered that there may be ways for the jury votes to be tampered with, then why did you say revealing the information could negatively affect town?
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Anyway N0 no night actions can be taken other than voting, so let me state this plainly: I am the town's counterplay to scum villainy early on. I will eager accept any scum envoy into my QT. I will not be locked in with them, they will be locked in with me. It will be fun, I'll bake them a cake.
But I suspect scum will not want to be too obvious in their jury selection either. For one they will want to influence the investigation period as well, and for two there are no monopolies allowed in the jury. The reason I wish to to be the first one is I do not expect to survive very long. I also do my best when the field is narrowed down for me already. My town record speaks for itself. I am really amped, because I love Phoenix Wright. The last time I was this amped for a game it was Predator mafia, go read it and see what happens to scum who oppose me.
Good point. We should elect players that usually die early as jury members for the first jury. I think That would be Chris, Iso and Cyan? Maybe GJ?
Why elect players who usually die early? If they're strong as town and are usually early NK targets then they would be doubly dangerous had they pulled scum in this game. Trying to push a scum buddy for election?
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After Stargate I would think we'd let Cyan slowly get back into the swing of things. I'm scared the scum can swing him anyway they want, if SC is scum and Cyan is town again we might be in for a lot of trouble this game. I do hope everyone will start putting up ideas early so options become clear.
I also agree with Tom that it might be better to keep votes in the dark as the game goes on so the scum don't have as much information on how to handle the night. But on the other hand are we going to be able to get through an investigative phase productively with our choices hidden? Seems difficult and interesting to say the least.
I'll see what Daisuke has to say about this later.
From some of the older games I've read see Cyan as a very passionate player (something you should understand). Just because Cyan had an off game in SG doesn't mean scum are gonna just walk all over them in this game. Pressure gets reactions and reactions create reads. You of all people know this and use it often enough. Why the change?
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Speaking of fun, I feel like I should start corresponding with you fine gentlemen. There are a plethora of strong players here and it is quite overwhelming for a first timer like myself to say the least!
I would advise on being very careful with your jury picks, if town can get abilities through being on jury, I imagine so can scum, it is quite possible that picking with reckless abandon based on previous "games" as some of you seem to title these investigations, could be a recipe for disaster ().
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Nice to meet you all!
Where doI'd you get the impression that town (or scum) can gain abilities from being elected to the jury?
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I think I've just played too much mafia. When I look at posts for people that I've played with before(which is basically everyone), all I see anymore is 'comparison to other games'.
Like in this game, Iso reads like town to me, as does Tom(or at least he doesn't seem like he did in Stargate).
I've given up on trying to read Sir Chris in any way, because clearly I'm just not going to be able to, so.
GJ, on the contrary, doesn't read like he has in his past town games. So there's that.
Does knowing that GJ is role playing affect your read on him?
If you hadn't considered that there may be ways for the jury votes to be tampered with, then why did you say revealing the information could negatively affect town?
I was meaning killing a person that we publicly announce we are voting onto the jury. And the scum team voting their own person in.
The abilities are additional considerations as well so this makes it much worse.
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What made you change your mind? And why day 2 in particular?
The ability I gain becomes very good from day 2 onward, therefore activating it as soon as it can be feasibly used is most beneficial to the town.
If you hadn't considered that there may be ways for the jury votes to be tampered with, then why did you say revealing the information could negatively affect town?
I was meaning killing a person that we publicly announce we are voting onto the jury. And the scum team voting their own person in.
The abilities are additional considerations as well so this makes it much worse.
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What made you change your mind? And why day 2 in particular?
The ability I gain becomes very good from day 2 onward, therefore activating it as soon as it can be feasibly used is most beneficial to the town.
Interesting that both you and Anak have claimed abilities that activate if you're voted onto the jury.
Do either of you (Anak, D_V) think it plausible that the other is scum knowing how your own ability works?
If you hadn't considered that there may be ways for the jury votes to be tampered with, then why did you say revealing the information could negatively affect town?
I was meaning killing a person that we publicly announce we are voting onto the jury. And the scum team voting their own person in.
The abilities are additional considerations as well so this makes it much worse.
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What made you change your mind? And why day 2 in particular?
The ability I gain becomes very good from day 2 onward, therefore activating it as soon as it can be feasibly used is most beneficial to the town.
Interesting that both you and Anak have claimed abilities that activate if you're voted onto the jury.
Do either of you (Anak, D_V) think it plausible that the other is scum knowing how your own ability works?
With my ability most definitely not. Its very unique.
What do hope to gain from asking for self-nominations? Doesn't fit with the statement just before it where you say we should prioritise people who feel they have little to add to Day 1.
I haven't played with everyone here before, and I don't play often, and my memory is terrible, so I can't pick the people who fit the criteria very well.
Plus the main point of the post was to generate discussion, so I asked for replies.
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I think we should try to identify a strategy that a majority of the people are reasonably comfortable with first. Suggesting players before they've even posted is sort of putting the cart before the horse.
In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
I originally quoted this when I woke up (but had no time to post, only read) to remind myself that maybe you weren't scum after all.
But I don't believe that when I read it again. I feel like you're trying to be helpful without doing anything, and on a second read this post doesn't overturn it like I thought this morning.
In regards to Wheat, he town cleared me a bit too fast in FF and I roasted him alive for it. So I am wary that he believes he ca clear a player as scary as I am.
I was the reason I was roasted alive, thank you very much.
also people turned to Bang! rules which didn't help.
@Dota I would say that makes DV somewhat more likely to be scum, maybe 50-50, versus ~33% assuming a roughly normal town to scum ratio. It's going to be useful one way or another, just moreso the earlier in the game.
feel pretty good about the long posts from wheat and dota.
i cant see scum cyan falling back on "ive played too much mafia" but apparently hes awesome at being scum
megs is null, and i worry about him. and i know i cant use facebook this game as it would just bate an objection within my own post.
solid town vibes from anak and KK.
my colleague on the jury is clearly a vote for fun.
@Dota I would say that makes DV somewhat more likely to be scum, maybe 50-50, versus ~33% assuming a roughly normal town to scum ratio. It's going to be useful one way or another, just moreso the earlier in the game.
I don't understand your logic though could you explain?
Unless you are making the assumption that you and I are the only ones that get abilities that "Turn on" once we become jurors.
I don't think this is the case, I am assuming that there are 4 to 5 of these sort of abilities. With like 2 being anti-town and 3 being pro-town.
I don't mind laying my cards straight on the table though because my ability is very much town.
@DV I was basing it on what my ability is, it lends credence to there being a roughly even split based on what you claim. I believe that your ability could very much be pro town, mine just makes me think of an even split among town and scum.
If everyone wants I will claim my ability, its worth the putting a target on myself if need be to be able to use it.
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do we each vote for one juror at night or 3 like investigation phase?
@DV I was basing it on what my ability is, it lends credence to there being a roughly even split based on what you claim. I believe that your ability could very much be pro town, mine just makes me think of an even split among town and scum.
If everyone wants I will claim my ability, its worth the putting a target on myself if need be to be able to use it.
I think we should both claim this during day one to figure out if putting us on the juror is worth it. Or do you want to be a juror day one?
But that is good information to know, I was operating under the assumption that everyone had a similar mechanic to our and that it was at least common to find out otherwise is interesting.
This Matowar guy is trying way too hard not to rustle anyone's jimmies. Do not like.
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@Anak: Ah, I thought you were trying to fling mud my way. No worries. Also, given as I've apparently completely misunderstood a huge deal about how the phases of this game work, I guess it doesn't come across as badly as it did to me before.
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@Citric: I was under the impression that we couldn't vote for jury members, yet. Also, what are your thoughts on Iso right now?
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I think we need to agree on a set group of people that will be voted for. Instead of just straight announcing votes. Otherwise the mafia will be able to permanently control on juror, and if we have misses earlier this becomes more and more problematic.
Statistically one of your options has to be scum, so that already makes it dubious. But since the mafia control the their votes they can also vote someone in while night killing the day 2 target, and they don't even have to pick one of their own they can just pick a townie to raise suspicion.
But if the other two are town, would that not suggest he could be ferreted out?
@Iso, I changed my mind. I find the prosecutor's suggestion to be of merit, and will vote in favor of at least the day 1 plan, pending Anak's claim doesn't change anything.
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In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
Push for it then. Why are you coming off so passive?
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GJ, on the contrary, doesn't read like he has in his past town games. So there's that.
One of the reasons I loathe meta: Keeps me from putting on a different mask for each game. I assume in Stargate, you believed I wasn't reading like past town games either?
The one thing I would caution, Iso, is that if you were on the jury, you would not be interacting with the masses, meaning wouldn't it in theory be tougher to convince people to follow you? (Especially SC, who can be as stubborn as you can)
I also agree with Tom that it might be better to keep votes in the dark as the game goes on so the scum don't have as much information on how to handle the night. But on the other hand are we going to be able to get through an investigative phase productively with our choices hidden? Seems difficult and interesting to say the least.
I'll see what Daisuke has to say about this later.
Also Rhand and Iso are unaligned.
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if you have to discount someone's opinions before they offer them, do me. i relish in the jeers show your work here, chris. i've read both of rhand's posts, and i've been roughly keeping up with iso. and i just dont see it.
do you mean KK is unaligned with iso, because that i totally see.
I don't think anyone's dumping on him here Tom. It's valid trepidation. He could come in here and bury the scum but if he is going to view things on a surface level and not delve any deeper than he did in Stargate it could be a problem.
Alternatively, since I sometimes get my interaction analysis backwards, Rhand and Iso ARE in fact scumbuddies and Rhand didn't bother to read his buddy's posts.
I will go with my original statement for now though.
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i dont really think its meaningful.
youre overthinking this bro. which is, i think, a good sign for your towniness.
have another glass of whiskey.
rhand could be iso's scumbuddy, read iso's post, and still independently come up with that list and think nothing of it.
im not saying thats what happened, but it certainly could have.
take a sip. tell me what you think about wheat.
And let's flip the chess board, Mr. Sloger: what do you think I think about Wheat?
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its literally the easiest conclusion to draw.
iirc, you have townread people in the past for putting themselves out there unnecessarily like wheat did.
but i dont know wheat, so i thought you might have an experience-based insight.
@SC-To be fair, I remember in Stargate (the last game you and Rhand played together) Rhand asked you in two separate posts what you thought of him as a player. I, like you have caught on to the fact that Rhand is very interested in how he is perceived, but in that game he was VT. What examples do you have from his scum games that he "frets" more about perception than he does in his town games.
And I'll have a Scotch on the rocks if you don't mind pouring.
My special ability is that I can vote as many people as I want. And all my votes will stick. It's the ability I've always wanted.
I agree with TS's #82
Vaimes is town.
Bumper is probably town.
Chris is probably scum. Or Rhand is. Time will tell.
TappingStones is a massive townread.
Rhand scum games that I draw experience from - XKCD, Predator off the top of my head
In regards to Wheat, he town cleared me a bit too fast in FF and I roasted him alive for it. So I am wary that he believes he ca clear a player as scary as I am.
@ Seppel - I hope so badly that you are town because I was really salty people suspected me in Stargate and I thought it was just due to people wanting me to be scum so now that I am town you losing credibility for reading me would just... be so fun.
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Matowar's first post contains no reads and all fear mongering. I really hope he's scum. You're either very easy to read, or Stargate was one of your weakest games.
seriously though, we'll probably talk about that one a bit. it does share 11 players with this game.
@atoga thank you.
Reading day two and after in Predator Mafia would behoove him.
@Tom- I thought we'd get more flavor from you in this one old sport.
you can call me scum or question my opinions all you want, but my roleplaying is gold and you know it.
Hey, it's not patronizing to encourage a fellow player to get into the spirit of the game. What do ya say Tomsloger? Give it the old college try why don't ya!
I wouldn't say I am raising a hubbub about your plan, I am just asking you a couple questions about it. I didn't really even disagree with it, is it not natural to at least be a little bit inquisitive about anything in the game? You are right about the people on the jury being mostly moot, mostly isn't entirely though.
@DV That was a question, because I could only rationalize you saying that was going to be that some number of them would be killed. Which felt like an odd conclusion to come to, at this point in the game, because there is no guarantee anyone will be dead by then.
Like in this game, Iso reads like town to me, as does Tom(or at least he doesn't seem like he did in Stargate).
I've given up on trying to read Sir Chris in any way, because clearly I'm just not going to be able to, so.
GJ, on the contrary, doesn't read like he has in his past town games. So there's that.
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I'm not going to role play this game but just imagine that I'm affecting some eurotrash accent.
I'll be that guy and ask: who wants to be on the D1 jury? I'll start: I don't want to be because I guarantee you I will lose interest in the game quickly if I'm not in the thread.
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@Cyan: Tell me more about your GJ read. Do you think his roleplaying is affecting your read of him?
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@Megs: I've stated who I want on jury already!
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Will come up with a couple other candidates soon.
@Iso I tend to ask a lot of questions, probably too many. It just seemed like you were trying to paint my asking a question as starting some bigger push against you, which wasn't my intent
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And this helps how exactly?
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What made you change your mind? And why day 2 in particular?
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I know you've been asked this already but I'd like a bit more than "town fools around more easily"... Chris only had 2 posts at this point, one of which was a one-liner about looking out a window. How can you be so sure as to declare him town so early?
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All the non-jury members would have to decide and lock in their votes then before the trial and lynch takes place. Too much can change during that period, and if a player changes their mind on who they want to put on the jury they have no way of communicating that until after they've placed their vote. Can't see how it would help.
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I don't think Iso wad dictating the juries for the first two days, I read it rather as suggestions for the kind of setups we should be thinking of, who would work well together and who would balance each other out. Everyone's free to vote for whoever they like, I doubt anyone will just blindly follow the suggestion.
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If you hadn't considered that there may be ways for the jury votes to be tampered with, then why did you say revealing the information could negatively affect town?
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Why elect players who usually die early? If they're strong as town and are usually early NK targets then they would be doubly dangerous had they pulled scum in this game. Trying to push a scum buddy for election?
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From some of the older games I've read see Cyan as a very passionate player (something you should understand). Just because Cyan had an off game in SG doesn't mean scum are gonna just walk all over them in this game. Pressure gets reactions and reactions create reads. You of all people know this and use it often enough. Why the change?
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Where doI'd you get the impression that town (or scum) can gain abilities from being elected to the jury?
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Does knowing that GJ is role playing affect your read on him?
I was meaning killing a person that we publicly announce we are voting onto the jury. And the scum team voting their own person in.
The abilities are additional considerations as well so this makes it much worse.
The ability I gain becomes very good from day 2 onward, therefore activating it as soon as it can be feasibly used is most beneficial to the town.
Interesting that both you and Anak have claimed abilities that activate if you're voted onto the jury.
Do either of you (Anak, D_V) think it plausible that the other is scum knowing how your own ability works?
With my ability most definitely not. Its very unique.
Plus the main point of the post was to generate discussion, so I asked for replies.
While you're not most players, in this regard you are like most players.
I didn't used to think so but then I discovered you're secretly a massive weeb.
OoG: Alan Shore is the best character of all time, but I feel like The Practice wouldn't get as lighthearted as Boston Legal so I won't go out of my way to watch it. It's unfortunate. Boston Legal is like the only legal show that ever interested me.
Now that don't feel right
I originally quoted this when I woke up (but had no time to post, only read) to remind myself that maybe you weren't scum after all.
But I don't believe that when I read it again. I feel like you're trying to be helpful without doing anything, and on a second read this post doesn't overturn it like I thought this morning.
I was the reason I was roasted alive, thank you very much.
also people turned to Bang! rules which didn't help.
so THAT'S why we're not voting.
that explains so much
i cant see scum cyan falling back on "ive played too much mafia" but apparently hes awesome at being scum
megs is null, and i worry about him. and i know i cant use facebook this game as it would just bate an objection within my own post.
solid town vibes from anak and KK.
my colleague on the jury is clearly a vote for fun.
I don't understand your logic though could you explain?
Unless you are making the assumption that you and I are the only ones that get abilities that "Turn on" once we become jurors.
I don't think this is the case, I am assuming that there are 4 to 5 of these sort of abilities. With like 2 being anti-town and 3 being pro-town.
I don't mind laying my cards straight on the table though because my ability is very much town.
Vote Jury 1: Vaimes
Vote Jury 2: Wheat_Grinder
Vote Jury 3: Seppel
@Vaimes
Thoughts on Iso right now?
But his Jury choices look fun so I'm gonna support that.
If everyone wants I will claim my ability, its worth the putting a target on myself if need be to be able to use it.
do we each vote for one juror at night or 3 like investigation phase? nah man. i believe you.
though my colleague wonders if you or bumper have abilities that might lead to a mistrial.
I think we should both claim this during day one to figure out if putting us on the juror is worth it. Or do you want to be a juror day one?
But that is good information to know, I was operating under the assumption that everyone had a similar mechanic to our and that it was at least common to find out otherwise is interesting.
Vote for one juror a night.
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@Anak: Ah, I thought you were trying to fling mud my way. No worries. Also, given as I've apparently completely misunderstood a huge deal about how the phases of this game work, I guess it doesn't come across as badly as it did to me before.
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@Citric: I was under the impression that we couldn't vote for jury members, yet. Also, what are your thoughts on Iso right now?
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@Citric: I think we only get 1 Jury vote each night. Also, explain your choices plz?
One vote per person for jury.
19 votes.
5 Scum.
14 town.
This could be problematic.
I think we need to agree on a set group of people that will be voted for. Instead of just straight announcing votes. Otherwise the mafia will be able to permanently control on juror, and if we have misses earlier this becomes more and more problematic.
But if the other two are town, would that not suggest he could be ferreted out?
@Iso, I changed my mind. I find the prosecutor's suggestion to be of merit, and will vote in favor of at least the day 1 plan, pending Anak's claim doesn't change anything.
Push for it then. Why are you coming off so passive?
One of the reasons I loathe meta: Keeps me from putting on a different mask for each game. I assume in Stargate, you believed I wasn't reading like past town games either?
The one thing I would caution, Iso, is that if you were on the jury, you would not be interacting with the masses, meaning wouldn't it in theory be tougher to convince people to follow you? (Especially SC, who can be as stubborn as you can)
The GJ way path to no lynching: