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Can I get a post #?

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Post count is irl related with me as either alignment.

I do enjoy the classic 'ah yes, scum chris is lurking' technique which I am known for, Iso <_<. Like call me scum if you want but jesus don't call me cowardly.

Do you think this makes Iso scum?

It's hard to tell with Iso because he gets so far off track but I want to say no. I mean I've seen him have more crazy, silly ideas as town than I havr with him as scum. Iso thinks he is the best and can never be wrong and just says some things sometimes. It's possible he learned to fake this as scum and if so it'll become much harder to read him.

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Can I get a post #?

but i'm lazy

It'd be in one of my later posts in the catchup since I thought Huntz was town until pretty late.

It's hard to tell with Iso because he gets so far off track but I want to say no. I mean I've seen him have more crazy, silly ideas as town than I havr with him as scum. Iso thinks he is the best and can never be wrong and just says some things sometimes. It's possible he learned to fake this as scum and if so it'll become much harder to read him.

So..who actually IS scum then? You're voting for no one, and not really pushing any scum reads. You disagree with both of the top vote getting wagons. You disagree with Hunt being scum. You disagreed with Necarg, and maybe Mato(I don't remember). But you haven't meaningfully pushed any wagons that I really remember. It's hard to see this being town play on your part, especially compared to other town games of yours. Unvote Rhand, Vote Sir Chris

no cyan don't do it

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Thankfully you will be dead again soon... like you deserve to be.
Can't wait to hear you apologize for how wrong you are post game...

I've never seen you be nasty before.

I'm not against nasty, it's just not you

I mean, I'm not salty or anything. Just saying it isn't helpful you wanting to kill townies and all. Especially me. I'd rather stay alive.
No offense was meant.

I wasn't offended - I specifically said that. It's a part of the game to get nasty sometimes. It's just I've never seen you in particular get nasty.

Also, this puts you in a 180 versus what you said before - I deserve to be dead because I want you dead, but you're somehow fine with dying???

In particular I very much dislike the phrasing of "Just saying it isn't helpful you wanting to kill townies and all". That is an extremely loaded statement that implies I am trying to maliciously sink our ship, even though I am the only person who is mod-confirmed town.

I don't understand why you, as town, would choose to antagonize me instead of trying to prove me wrong. It just does not at all feel like something you would do. Therefore, I am forced to make the conclusion that you are not town.

Chris: Since I don't want to look for my previous post where I gave reasoning on Huntz, use this one instead. Why is it wrong?

vote Chris

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speedwagon on Sir Chris please

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Also, Chris is totally lurking to avoid looking worse since there was a very real threat of him getting lynched toDay. Shame on all of you for ignoring it.

who are you

im iso

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Post count is irl related with me as either alignment.

I do enjoy the classic 'ah yes, scum chris is lurking' technique which I am known for, Iso <_<. Like call me scum if you want but jesus don't call me cowardly.

I mean, you are butting heads with me (again) and losing (again). I can't really fault you for it.

So Rhand, right after you 'remind' me that I'm using all of your votes, I unvote you to vote someone else and you immediately hop on, without any kind of analysis as to why.

If anyone has ever walked directly into a trap, it's you. Right now. Unvote Chris, Vote Rhand

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im iso

No, you are not.

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Post count is irl related with me as either alignment.

I do enjoy the classic 'ah yes, scum chris is lurking' technique which I am known for, Iso <_<. Like call me scum if you want but jesus don't call me cowardly.

I mean, you are butting heads with me (again) and losing (again). I can't really fault you for it.[/quote]

Dunno what fairyland you think you're living in

Iso if I am scum and you are town I am completely whooping your ass.

@ Cyan - Well for one Megs but no one is going to listen to me on that front, so why bother with a vote. I've pretty much stated that I think Megs is playing the great scum role of being the reasonable guy in the room with lots of crazy people and he is probably going to win because no one aside from me really wants to play mafia. People like playing 'hunt the bad player' more than 'hunt the scum player' it seems so far. Lots of "well this doesn't look good" rather than "this doesn't look like it comes from town." Results speak for themselves really.

##vote: Megs

I mean just to have it on record, fair. That train is going nowhere though when people are literally ignoring who I think are town so we just have to hope I am wildly off and you guys know better than me, history shows this is LIKELY to end badly for town not that anyone really cares so long as they enforce their will!

Wheat I went searching for your Hunt logic but couldn't really find anything concrete. You went from being ok with Hunt to voting for him and I didn't see much in the way of reference outside a couple seemingly minor points. Might just be best for you to restate the problem here.

Oh but a new post, perfect.

In particular I very much dislike the phrasing of "Just saying it isn't helpful you wanting to kill townies and all". That is an extremely loaded statement that implies I am trying to maliciously sink our ship, even though I am the only person who is mod-confirmed town.

I don't understand why you, as town, would choose to antagonize me instead of trying to prove me wrong. It just does not at all feel like something you would do. Therefore, I am forced to make the conclusion that you are not town.

Because think about why the **** would a scum make that post. You can't see the town purpose, but town posts don't NEED purpose. Sometimes town just does silly things! Scum are the ones who need purpose to their posts, because they aren't just being honest, they are being deceptive and are trying to win the game. Sometimes town just gets pissy and says stuff that doesn't really make a whole bunch of sense. Like I can see why a town Hunt, frustrated, would swipe at you. It's an honest emotional reaction. A scum Hunt imo would never go after you this way precisely because as you say you're mod-confirmed. Scum hunt knows that it'd only make him look worse, it contradicts his survival instinct which scum REALLY rarely do. This is something that gets people into trouble - they think town has to have a purpose. "I can't see the town logic of this" but town immeasurably does weird things that are never explained even post game. Not fully. How about "okay, why the **** does scum Hunt decide to take a swing at confirmed Wheat?" I can't find an answer.

Basically it's two steps for me.

"Okay, I can't see the town train of thought, that's bad. Now let's find the scum train of thought." It's like a lock on and fire system. I will for sure lock onto people when I can't find the genuine thread, but then I need to go "okay, so where's the scum play?" and when I find it I fire at someone. I get that not finding the town train of thought is pretty bad but if you can't figure out the scum process either then it is kind of meaningless imo.

@Cyan: it's his non-read of Iso. Chris doesn't do non-reads. And his total lack of analysis. He's complaining now that no one listens to him, but he's not saying anything to listen to.
I asked him a question, don't like the answer, so I vote. I'm not going into another headbumping this game. I've had enough of that with TS and GJ.

I literally gave you my read of Iso as town. Do you need a chart?

Swing and a miss on that front. SC has been calling Iso town for some time now. I don't think you would make this mistake as town, Rhand. Vote stands, Rhand should be the 3rd person that we send to trial.

##vote: Rhand

That one sounds good to me, yeah.

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It's hard to tell with Iso because he gets so far off track but I want to say no. I mean I've seen him have more crazy, silly ideas as town than I havr with him as scum. Iso thinks he is the best and can never be wrong and just says some things sometimes. It's possible he learned to fake this as scum and if so it'll become much harder to read him.

This post is not a townread. It's full of doubt.

Also @Cyan: scum!me doesn't make mistakes. Town!me does. Why are you turning my meta around?

Chris's vote on me is awful. I think this is the first omgus I ever saw from Chris.

I don't recall unvoting Iso to vote Hunt. But just in case, Unvote Hunt, Vote Iso

Rhand, that is an awful defense. Just awful.

Cyan, that is an awful vote. Just awful.

In fairness I don't have much in the way of scum suspects outside of my beau Megs and what you're saying makes no sense. Like, read what I said. I was asked if I think it makes Iso scum, I said no. I said it would be outside of his expected range. I mean sure I added if he has added this to his game it'd make him harder to read in the future, but I pretty clearly was dismissive of his chances of being scum here despite my frustration with him.

Like on top of my noting I thought he was town before, too.

Like I get I typed a lot of words there but it seems like you really didn't bother to read them.

You start your first sentence with "it's hard to tell with Iso". And end with "I want to say no". That sounds like doubt to me? The post didn't come off like a real townread to me. It sounds a lot more like scum giving a read that leaves him options both ways for the future.

I guess I have to reread you now and see how sure you were on Iso before. Sigh. I don't have time for this

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Looking back at KK's first post about who wants to be on the jury, do you think he could have been fishing for jury ability claims?

I mean...how is one supposed to bring up the topic of possible Jury nominations in a way that /doesn't/ look like rolefishing?

He could have immediately claimed to have an ability that was unlocked without stating what it was, or not asked in case there were others who had similarly unlockable abilities that should have remained hidden. The way he asked though looked like he was pushing for players to out themselves, which is very anti-town.

@Ghosting - I know I owe you a response as well, I'll try to have it for you before deadline.

Well I have been back and forth on Iso a bit and a lot of his town mannerisms straight up bug me. But when called upon to clarify I have made it very clear it's a town read. But yeah I had a post sometime today that was like "Iso bugs me buuuuuuuut it's a town type of bugging."

Yeh found it. It's in that very lengthy post of yours.

Do you still believe Vaimes is scum Chris?
And do you have 4 votes? I thought for a long time you weren't voting anyone because it said you still had 3 votes, but you apparently didn't unvote Vaimes.

##Chris: What changed between now and when you had expressed a scum read on me Day 2?

Vaimes is a maybe scum. I didn't like some of the things he said and I certainly didn't like how he responded. I feel stronger about Megs. Also I do not believe I am meant to have 4 votes.

Iso - I tossed on you some more and realized this behavior is within your town meta. I tend to be hyper critical of really good players who underperform but I came to the realization that's not really you. You're a guy who can have good reads and can enforce his will, but you are too mistake prone to hold to the standard I wanted to.

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Iso - I tossed on you some more and realized this behavior is within your town meta. I tend to be hyper critical of really good players who underperform but I came to the realization that's not really you. You're a guy who can have good reads and can enforce his will, but you are too mistake prone to hold to the standard I wanted to.

Well, I appreciate that you at least thought highly of me for some amount of time. That said, meta is always the weakest thing to base an Iso read off of, so I'm disappointed that that's all you're offering me.

sorry, I'm kinda v/la for the past couple days and probably tomorrow. had some pretty shocking family news that's left me somewhat shaken.

24 hours to go and we haven't sent anyone to Trial. We're pretty clearly agreed on Iso and GJ, let's at least get that done while we figure out the third person(it should be Rhand).

Considering I've stone cold murdered you day 1 when you're scum before, I'll trust my meta for now. Plus what type of scum says stuff like "you know, your reason for town clearing me is silly" I mean maybe you're that guy but I doubt it lol

Why are you tormenting me, Chris?

GJ, your vote on Cyan is useless. Move it.

Iso, why the **** are you voting me, it's a useless vote, move it.

Chris, your vote on Vaimes is useless. Move it.

Huntz, your vote on Ghosting is useless. Move it.

Chris, your vote on Megiddo is also useless. Move it.

By the technical definition of alignment, your vote on me is useless. Move it.

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GJ, your vote on Cyan is useless. Move it.

Iso, why the **** are you voting me, it's a useless vote, move it.

Chris, your vote on Vaimes is useless. Move it.

Huntz, your vote on Ghosting is useless. Move it.

Chris, your vote on Megiddo is also useless. Move it.

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Considering I've stone cold murdered you day 1 when you're scum before, I'll trust my meta for now. Plus what type of scum says stuff like "you know, your reason for town clearing me is silly" I mean maybe you're that guy but I doubt it lol

Aight.

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Iso, why the **** are you voting me, it's a useless vote, move it.

Because D_V.

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@Cyan: We could always put Sir Chris on trial, considering, y'know, he's scum.

I don't think he is. Or at least, I think you're the more likely of the two of you to be scum. Maybe, just maybe..you're both scum. But I don't think that's it. At least for now, I like Rhand better as a third than SC(or anyone).

Honestly, you don't even really seem to be trying this game. And I just can't see that being the case if you're town. Like..you're voting DV. Come on. We would be looking at sheer bastard modding for DV's role to be scum. Not only that, but there's no behavioral case there. Your best explanation on DV v Mato was completely lacking. Your rationale for not Jury-voting GJ on Day 1 didn't track at all, nor did your explanation of it when pressed.

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GJ, your vote on Cyan is useless. Move it.

Iso, why the **** are you voting me, it's a useless vote, move it.

Chris, your vote on Vaimes is useless. Move it.

Huntz, your vote on Ghosting is useless. Move it.

Chris, your vote on Megiddo is also useless. Move it.

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What do you hope to accomplish with this? Wheat has a point, we're getting damn close to deadline and there are better candidates right now than those he highlighted.

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I'll put GJ and Iso through, can we please send Hunt as the third.

VOTE: Iso
VOTE: GJ

@Cyan: I realize I've been back and forth on this once but I've already explained why I think GJ is town. Just because you refuse to accept that I can actually read Sir Chris doesn't make my reasons any less valid for not lynching GJ.

I literally think everyone with a lot of votes is town, which means I just have to hope I am off my game.

Of course Rhand is within striking distance I suppose. How about we put Rhand on trial, that would be swell.

Reasons to send Hunt to trial and subsequently lynch him.

1) KoolKoal's blatant fishing in his opening post of the game.
2) KK's flipflopping at the beginning of the game:

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Since the jury members can't join in the discussion to send people to trial, I think it would be best to keep strongest analysts where we can hear them, rather than make them sit in their quick topic while we ignore things they've caught on to. We'd be more likely to send town members to trial imo.

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Actually, I agree with Iso now, we have enough strong players in the game that we don't need to do anything fancy.

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I'd rather Iso be in the investigation.

He gets good reactions out of people, extra-useful day 1, and he can't do that from a quicktopic.

3)He claims his ability (Trial Untargetable(post 1503)) is jury-activated, yet I was roleblocked on the night I targeted him. {This is one point I am a bit unsure of as I don't know if the mods would issue a roleblocked pm when targeting an untargetable player}

4) Trolling the only mod-confirmed townie in the game with less than 24 hours to deadline:

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GJ, your vote on Cyan is useless. Move it.

Iso, why the **** are you voting me, it's a useless vote, move it.

Chris, your vote on Vaimes is useless. Move it.

Huntz, your vote on Ghosting is useless. Move it.

Chris, your vote on Megiddo is also useless. Move it.

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did you actually figure out what you wanted to ask me dotes/reread about me?