megs, no one else claimed a protective role. As fake as his role could be, it is highly unlikely he is scum at this stage, regardless of how many alarm bells he may be setting off.
ugh. I feel like you're still being very manipulative and it grosses me out. like, "if I die and you get my ability, is it any more valid?"
am I the only one who sees the really slimy assumptions he's making when loading this question? and how it's not even a real question at all?
tell me I'm crazy here.
Maybe you don't understand.
You're saying that my ability can't be proven. How can yours be proven (if you get an ability like mine)? I'm basically saying that you're calling my role fake for a reason that could apply to your role as well.
I'm doing a complete reread of the entire game right now, and taking notes on non-confirmed town players' interactions with confirmed town players. While doing so, came across this gem: post #149.
Iso is trying to start a Mato wagon in this post, just figured if anyone was undecided that this might help them cast their vote. There's a lot more and even more convincing points I've found, and a lotttt about Dota that has made me want to do a reread of him specifically after the interactions reread. Also, I'm very willing to make these notes available to everyone, since it should help us find scum.
Also, will be throwing my last vote on Dota. Vote DOTA.
Wheat, as hard as I laughed at your last post, I actually have a pretty long track record of skimming over mechanics and misunderstanding them. Two examples of this are Celestial and Ataghan. Given our history of miscommunication, I'm having trouble comprehending why this is so unbelievable to you. Do you really think that highly of me?
Your logic comes down to "Cyan is scum because he doesn't think the same way I do".
It's much simpler than that. "Did he think me and you were scum buddies together"? The question is obviously tainted at this stage, so the revision of that question would be: "Do we think his vote on you makes sense with his hard on for me?" It was clear I was scum read by Cyan (still am, mind you). If you were his other vote to send to jury, how does that mesh with a scumGJ? You don't have to think like me to realize that mindset doesn't make sense.
Your logic comes down to "Cyan is scum because he doesn't think the same way I do".
It's much simpler than that. "Did he think me and you were scum buddies together"? The question is obviously tainted at this stage, so the revision of that question would be: "Do we think his vote on you makes sense with his hard on for me?" It was clear I was scum read by Cyan (still am, mind you). If you were his other vote to send to jury, how does that mesh with a scumGJ? You don't have to think like me to realize that mindset doesn't make sense.
So..72 hours to go? Ish? And we haven't even sent one person to Trial. Clearly Iso is headed there, and I assume we'll just end up sending GJ yet again. But we have thoroughly no idea whom the third should be. I truly don't think it's SC, especially with how little effort he has put into today. We have hunt with 2 votes..I'm not even sure Hunt has posted today, so..what's going on there?
The computer was not able to be fixed. Which really ticked me off. I hope to be purchasing another laptop today. I will try to answer some stuff now by phone. Sorry to keep the game waiting.
@Ghosting: Do you really think that Dota and Iso can be scum? Are they both just lying about having been RBed on N1, then? Why would they do so?
Totally forgot about this, I think it's unlikely they both are, but from my reread, they've both made a lot of unfortunate posts. I do understand that with this deadline, obviously Dota won't be sent to trial (and won't be lynched if he is), so I am fine sending Iso to trial and using my vote on someone else (Hunt, probably).
I just don't understand how, as town, you could ever say this. I've said it before, but town's job is to ensure as many town players as possible aren't lynched, and you KNOW you're town (if you're town), so you'd never want to let yourself die unless it somehow would positively affect the team.
I just don't understand how, as town, you could ever say this. I've said it before, but town's job is to ensure as many town players as possible aren't lynched, and you KNOW you're town (if you're town), so you'd never want to let yourself die unless it somehow would positively affect the team.
literally every mafia player under the sun has probably said "I'm okay with [being lynched]" or some variation thereof at one point. it's completely null. and there's no way Hunt is getting lynched over Iso or GJ, so if he ends up being the third Defendant then it's not a huge deal.
anyway.
Vote GJ
do we even have time to send a third person to trial. for some reason this Day has been a mess of lurking and V/LAs.
I just don't understand how, as town, you could ever say this. I've said it before, but town's job is to ensure as many town players as possible aren't lynched, and you KNOW you're town (if you're town), so you'd never want to let yourself die unless it somehow would positively affect the team.
From a purely theory standpoint, I disagree with this. The jurors should be able to lynch someone who is actually scum, meaning Huntz would be fine.
your narrative makes sense except that I don't think your point 2 is true. I was there. that's not how the flow of the trial went.
show me the posts that indicated to DV that mato was the likely lynch Yesterday. there's about a page of posts between where DV voted mato and where he moved.
I just reread that whole section and don't see it.
I'd have to look back on it (which I won't be doing at the moment) but I remember thinking that D_V seemed like he was using a lot of reverse psychology to get what he wanted. "You perceive me as scummy, and I want to sway things this other way, so I'm going to go with this other thing to make it look like a worse option." That sort of thing.
Also, Chris is totally lurking to avoid looking worse since there was a very real threat of him getting lynched toDay. Shame on all of you for ignoring it.
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Also, Chris is totally lurking to avoid looking worse since there was a very real threat of him getting lynched toDay. Shame on all of you for ignoring it.
I just don't understand how, as town, you could ever say this. I've said it before, but town's job is to ensure as many town players as possible aren't lynched, and you KNOW you're town (if you're town), so you'd never want to let yourself die unless it somehow would positively affect the team.
At this point, I die or I don't. I would rather not, but if I'm just going to be a distraction, then kill me and move on.
His responses just feel like they are lacking sincerity here to me. Plus we need to just get a third person in there. I really don't think Hunt would, or should, get lynched over Iso or GJ anyway.
Thankfully you will be dead again soon... like you deserve to be.
Can't wait to hear you apologize for how wrong you are post game...
Seriously? You might... you know.. try to convince him that he's wrong instead?
@Vaimes: please enlighten me why this comes from town. Because I don't think it does.
Did Chris give a reason for disappearing? Does he post less as scum in general?
Post count is irl related with me as either alignment.
I do enjoy the classic 'ah yes, scum chris is lurking' technique which I am known for, Iso <_<. Like call me scum if you want but jesus don't call me cowardly.
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Hunt being scum would really surprise me, by the way. Like, really blindside me. I've mistaken him for scum before (I shot him in my otherwise superlative Predator game) and his silliness here reminds me strongly why I shot him in Predator. He's so being scapegoated right now.
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ugh. I feel like you're still being very manipulative and it grosses me out. like, "if I die and you get my ability, is it any more valid?"
am I the only one who sees the really slimy assumptions he's making when loading this question? and how it's not even a real question at all?
tell me I'm crazy here.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Maybe you don't understand.
You're saying that my ability can't be proven. How can yours be proven (if you get an ability like mine)? I'm basically saying that you're calling my role fake for a reason that could apply to your role as well.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Iso is trying to start a Mato wagon in this post, just figured if anyone was undecided that this might help them cast their vote. There's a lot more and even more convincing points I've found, and a lotttt about Dota that has made me want to do a reread of him specifically after the interactions reread. Also, I'm very willing to make these notes available to everyone, since it should help us find scum.
Also, will be throwing my last vote on Dota. Vote DOTA.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
My ******** is sensitive but I still call it what it is.
And I am anything but a casual.
Depends on the definition of arrivederci. I have no clue what it means.
Your logic comes down to "Cyan is scum because he doesn't think the same way I do".
That's all fine
But I don't believe you here
It's much simpler than that. "Did he think me and you were scum buddies together"? The question is obviously tainted at this stage, so the revision of that question would be: "Do we think his vote on you makes sense with his hard on for me?" It was clear I was scum read by Cyan (still am, mind you). If you were his other vote to send to jury, how does that mesh with a scumGJ? You don't have to think like me to realize that mindset doesn't make sense.
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[5] Iso - Vaimes, Cyan, Wheat_Grinder, Gentleman Johnny, Ghosting
[3] Gentleman Johnny - Wheat_Grinder, Cyan, Ghosting
[2] Sir Chris - Iso, Vaimes
[2] Huntzilla - Wheat_Grinder, Rhand
[1] Rhand - Cyan
[1] Wheat_Grinder - Iso
[1] Vaimes - Sir Chris
[1] Cyan - Gentleman Johnny
[1] DoTArchon - Ghosting
Unused Votes - Megiddo (3), Rhand (2), DoTArchon (3), Sir Chris (3), Vaimes (1), Huntzilla (3), Gentleman Johnny (1), Iso (1)
With 11 on the case, it's 6 votes to arrest.
Deadline is Tuesday, May 3rd.
Previous: 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 1.14, 1.15, 1.16, 1.17, 1.18, 1.19, 1.20
2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 2.8, 2.9, 2.10, 2.11, 2.12
3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5
It doesn't seem unbelievable to me.
vote GJ
I have a few days off. I'll sink some time into this game over the next days.
The computer was not able to be fixed. Which really ticked me off. I hope to be purchasing another laptop today. I will try to answer some stuff now by phone. Sorry to keep the game waiting.
Totally forgot about this, I think it's unlikely they both are, but from my reread, they've both made a lot of unfortunate posts. I do understand that with this deadline, obviously Dota won't be sent to trial (and won't be lynched if he is), so I am fine sending Iso to trial and using my vote on someone else (Hunt, probably).
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
You will all now accordingly vote those three.
I just don't understand how, as town, you could ever say this. I've said it before, but town's job is to ensure as many town players as possible aren't lynched, and you KNOW you're town (if you're town), so you'd never want to let yourself die unless it somehow would positively affect the team.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Right?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
literally every mafia player under the sun has probably said "I'm okay with [being lynched]" or some variation thereof at one point. it's completely null. and there's no way Hunt is getting lynched over Iso or GJ, so if he ends up being the third Defendant then it's not a huge deal.
anyway.
Vote GJ
do we even have time to send a third person to trial. for some reason this Day has been a mess of lurking and V/LAs.
Because Huntz is probably scum.
From a purely theory standpoint, I disagree with this. The jurors should be able to lynch someone who is actually scum, meaning Huntz would be fine.
I need to go back and check something re:GJ before I decide whether or not I'll vote for him.
@Cyan: You said Iso successfully targeted you and unlocked your ability correct?
I need to go back and check something re:GJ before I decide whether or not I'll vote for him.
@Cyan: You said Iso successfully targeted you and unlocked your ability correct?
I'd have to look back on it (which I won't be doing at the moment) but I remember thinking that D_V seemed like he was using a lot of reverse psychology to get what he wanted. "You perceive me as scummy, and I want to sway things this other way, so I'm going to go with this other thing to make it look like a worse option." That sort of thing.
Also, Chris is totally lurking to avoid looking worse since there was a very real threat of him getting lynched toDay. Shame on all of you for ignoring it.
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[5] Iso - Vaimes, Cyan, Wheat_Grinder, Gentleman Johnny, Ghosting
[5] Gentleman Johnny - Wheat_Grinder, Cyan, Ghosting, Rhand, Vaimes
[3] Huntzilla - Wheat_Grinder, Rhand, DoTArchon
[2] Sir Chris - Iso, Vaimes
[1] Rhand - Cyan
[1] Wheat_Grinder - Iso
[1] Vaimes - Sir Chris
[1] Cyan - Gentleman Johnny
[1] DoTArchon - Ghosting
Unused Votes - Megiddo (3), Rhand (1), DoTArchon (3), Sir Chris (3), Huntzilla (3), Gentleman Johnny (1), Iso (1)
With 11 on the case, it's 6 votes to arrest.
Deadline is Tuesday, May 3rd.
Sir Chris has been prodded.
Previous: 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 1.14, 1.15, 1.16, 1.17, 1.18, 1.19, 1.20
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3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
who are you
Vote Christopher
Vote Rhand
For posterity and all...
Not voting Iso or GJ, Cyan or Vaimes. Obviously no Wheat.
Dota could be an option.
At this point, I die or I don't. I would rather not, but if I'm just going to be a distraction, then kill me and move on.
Nope. None.
But it's doubtful.
Scumreading me seems kinda lazy
But like I said, kill me or dont. I'm basically vanilla since I will never be on jury.
This is what your votes are
Can't wait to hear you apologize for how wrong you are post game...
Man what a great movie.
Vote Hunt
His responses just feel like they are lacking sincerity here to me. Plus we need to just get a third person in there. I really don't think Hunt would, or should, get lynched over Iso or GJ anyway.
I've never seen you be nasty before.
I'm not against nasty, it's just not you.
Iiiiiit's a great mooooviiiiiie, it's a great mooooviiie shooooooooow.
Seriously? You might... you know.. try to convince him that he's wrong instead?
@Vaimes: please enlighten me why this comes from town. Because I don't think it does.
Did Chris give a reason for disappearing? Does he post less as scum in general?
I do enjoy the classic 'ah yes, scum chris is lurking' technique which I am known for, Iso <_<. Like call me scum if you want but jesus don't call me cowardly.
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