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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Like, there's no other way in which Chris could have gotten his ability off (as GJ has confirmed) unless he was the one doing the blocking.
Yes, let me block everyone and then claim a neighbor the same day instead of claiming blocked.
Man you must think I am the worst.
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Anyway, you asked me to recall a detail on something and I speculated on where my mindset was at during that point in time. I thought you were possibly referring to some other post, which is a reasonably misunderstanding given how annoyed I am that we even have to have this exchange, and corrected myself later, as you'll see if you look back.
If you think that any of this miscommunication is intentional, need I remind you to "destroy the console in the back and center of the room"?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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@iso really? I thought wheat's ability was pretty clear there. he said he could do one compare per cycle and two if he was on jury. I understood it pretty clearly at the time.
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Vaimes is so aggressive this game. Sometimes I just don't know what to make of it. But if he really had multiple vig shots to give out(from the way he's talking today, I guess we'll find out about this tomorrow), it's hard to see him being mafia. Maybe he's some kind of Hitman/SK variant?
this also occurred to me.
i am a bit troubled by the overlap but realistically it isn't THAT close... though I wonder why proph would have...
hm.
hey vaimes, what's your flavor? like all of it.
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I'm not reading much due to finals, but how is the fact GJ survived two trials despite a good number of players thinking he was scum not alarming to anyone? I guess that does assume that at least one scum was on both juries, but I don't think that's at all unlikely.
Right now I plan to reread Sir Chris and decide if he's scum (as I thought most recently), or if he's just aggressive town; the main reason for a reread being that I have a hard time seeing scum Chris make everyone hate him.
I've been reading Vaimes as more town from what I have seen, Cyan is still obvtown to me, as is Wheat obviously, Megs is leaning more town as I've said before, and that's all I have time for right now.
Have the night off work and no finals tomorrow, but I do have a lot of math homework, so hopefully I can get it done quickly and check out this game in more detail.
i'm pretty sure i still want to lynch this guy.
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@WG: ISo's ability(verified because he targeted me successfully last night) is that he can target a person to either lock or unlock one of their abilities. He targeted me w/ the unlock.
Vote: Iso
wow ok so I really was just forced onto jury by scum. I mean obviously but I thought there was an outside chance you has voted for me.
I wonder if I was being used? I should look back on the matowar wagon. I'll do that when not on mobile.
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I'm not sure I understand the question. How is one thing relevant to the other, here?
why would DV as scum not just stay on matowar?
Perhaps he recognized that Matowar was going to be lynched and wanted to appear more organic in his opposition of the idea of a Matowar lynch. Kind of a weak way of obtaining town credit, but ultimately, I think that's what his angle was.
i don't really understand here.
if he was voting for matowar... why would he want to suddenly about face and look opposed to it? would it not be easier to just stay where he was and let the lynch happen? like... he clearly wasn't opposed at first. I don't understand.
remember here that for this excercise we are assuming that tcm is town.
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See, what weirds me out is that you seem to be the only person outside of GJ and maybe D_V that's really vibing that way. You are correct, but I am forced to wonder if you are correct because of insight or because you have no other choice but to be correct due to information on hand.
hm!
insightful question.
on some level you won't be able to know. obviously I'm going to tell you I came to the conclusion organically. all I can say is that I have spent a great deal of my time on this web forum since 2007 being a very angry person, occasionally at great personal cost. my tenure as mod and admin of this website stands out as a time where that was especially true. Mafia in particular was an outlet for anger. I have said some very nasty things to people. I have been a cruel bastard forward and backwards in these games and justified it all by saying that it was a tactic. a way to get reads. that by pushing people to their emotional breaking point I could get reads on them and win Mafia games. i told myself that I turned it off as soon as I was outside of the game, that it was all just a way to play the game and didn't affect anybody in any real way. this was mostly just lying to myself. ultimately those feelings sort of seeped into my being and the distinction got lost. at its worst I had literal hatred of another player on this site that I carried outside of the games, outside of the forum, even. the culmination was a really embarrassing episode that caused me to get suspended from the forum for the first time. I made a lot of people very angry. a player in this game asked if I could be banned forever (see my sig). since then I've made a lot of effort to be more positive and never allow myself to again be the person dragging a game down into the bowels of unpleasantness.
... I've told this whole story a few times now. I apologize if you've seen it before. I think I might have mentioned it in the jury chat.
anyway. how does this apply to you? I saw a guy who was throwing a fit in the game. my gut reaction was to say you were "dragging the game down" to a level that I dislike... a level that I used to engage at.
but I had to stop myself from succumbing to my gut instinct to get angry at YOU. i was planning to talk to you post game about this but you've kind of forced me here.
I divorced all emotion from my read. I will say that being in the jury helped with this. I was removed from the action and so I was an observer with a more objective perspective than those in the thread. I don't know how it would have gone if I had been here at the time.
I saw a guy who was angry, and I saw a guy who was stirring up *****.
I give you enough credit to think that you can fake being angry if it would advance your agenda.
but I also give you enough credit that you can self-censor REAL anger as scum if the expression of that anger wouldn't be tactically smart.
regardless of whether the anger was real or not, I had and have a hard time seeing what the tactical advantage of that tirade would be as scum. so I have to conclude that you aren't.
maybe it's a next level play, easily possible. but I'm reasonably certain that I'm right and I'm going to stand by it.
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Vaimes is so aggressive this game. Sometimes I just don't know what to make of it. But if he really had multiple vig shots to give out(from the way he's talking today, I guess we'll find out about this tomorrow), it's hard to see him being mafia. Maybe he's some kind of Hitman/SK variant?
this also occurred to me.
i am a bit troubled by the overlap but realistically it isn't THAT close... though I wonder why proph would have...
hm.
hey vaimes, what's your flavor? like all of it.
? Do you actually expect to clear/condemn anyone via flavor, or.
But since the game is kind of stagnating, sure.
I don't really know how in-depth I'm allowed to go, but I'm Larry Butz. If there's a weird smell in the air, it's usually me (paraphrased butt pun whee). I'm a "well-known" artist and my paint's chemicals can be used to kill others. I have a tendency to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and am generally unlucky when it comes to love and work. There's a bunch of stuff about me hanging out in the children's section of a bookstore because my reading level is abysmal. But it inspired me to become an author's apprentice, and that's my alibi in a case where my boss was killed.
This is pretty troublesome. We're 5 days from deadline and don't seem to have any idea about anything. Granted, the person that we most want to put on Trial is in the Jury, but there is nothing we can do about that now. Something needs to happen here.
I still don't know what to think about GJ right now. I don't feel like his behavior has improved much today. I also don't feel like he and Iso can really be scum together. But WG has made me feel more confident in my initial read there, and I'm willing to let the Jury decide whether to lynch Iso or GJ. Vote GJ
I do think that people should look into Rhand more, I feel like there is something there.
@Vaimes: What was your read on KoolKoal in the early game?
@Wheat: Where are you on D_V? Do you think scum could have an ability like his?
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I have been reading along but feel a bit lost at the moment. My biggest scum read is Hunt, mainly based on how KK played day 1 and subsequently how Hunt went about his claim. I had D_V pegged as scum as well but I'm having difficulty reconciling his now proven ability as being scum, so I'm back at square one on him.
While you're around, a question about Ghosting... Do you think his claim is true? By claiming his ability he's completely invalidated it.
Hmm. Iso, how do you think your ability would mesh with Ghosting's? If you hit him with an unlock, do you think it would protect the following jury even though he's not on it?
@vaimes: I won't lie, I've been trying to flavor game proph since before the game began.
... based on the flips i abandoned that idea pretty early on. however, there's still a couple of things I'm keeping an eye out for that I want to at least consider.
toxic paints though? lol
@PoTA: ghosting's claim... well I am inclined to think that it could be fake. we've already been over how easy it is to fabricate (just... don't kill the folks on the jury the same day that ghosting is) and yeah, claiming it totally invalidates it. usually townies who have abilities like that are very reluctant to claim at all because they know the value is erased the moment they claim.
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Anyway, you asked me to recall a detail on something and I speculated on where my mindset was at during that point in time. I thought you were possibly referring to some other post, which is a reasonably misunderstanding given how annoyed I am that we even have to have this exchange, and corrected myself later, as you'll see if you look back.
If you think that any of this miscommunication is intentional, need I remind you to "destroy the console in the back and center of the room"?
@WG: ISo's ability(verified because he targeted me successfully last night) is that he can target a person to either lock or unlock one of their abilities. He targeted me w/ the unlock.
Vote: Iso
wow ok so I really was just forced onto jury by scum. I mean obviously but I thought there was an outside chance you has voted for me.
I wonder if I was being used? I should look back on the matowar wagon. I'll do that when not on mobile.
This is pretty troublesome. We're 5 days from deadline and don't seem to have any idea about anything. Granted, the person that we most want to put on Trial is in the Jury, but there is nothing we can do about that now. Something needs to happen here.
I still don't know what to think about GJ right now. I don't feel like his behavior has improved much today. I also don't feel like he and Iso can really be scum together. But WG has made me feel more confident in my initial read there, and I'm willing to let the Jury decide whether to lynch Iso or GJ. Vote GJ
I do think that people should look into Rhand more, I feel like there is something there.
I can't read Rhand all that well so I'm no help there.
I do agree that Iso and GJ have got to go down. And by Iso and GJ I really just mean GJ.
Hey, you folks on the bench right now. You're going to lynch GJ. I will haunt your asses. Even worse than I already am haunting I guess.
@vaimes: I won't lie, I've been trying to flavor game proph since before the game began.
... based on the flips i abandoned that idea pretty early on. however, there's still a couple of things I'm keeping an eye out for that I want to at least consider.
toxic paints though? lol
@PoTA: ghosting's claim... well I am inclined to think that it could be fake. we've already been over how easy it is to fabricate (just... don't kill the folks on the jury the same day that ghosting is) and yeah, claiming it totally invalidates it. usually townies who have abilities like that are very reluctant to claim at all because they know the value is erased the moment they claim.
@tom I'm 99% certain that ghosting's flavor claim is true.
Also, scum can still decide to kill me. If they don't, and my ability remains untested, it wouldn't be hard for them to try to paint me as scum because of it. However, me on jury guarantees the safety of the other two players, and if I die, you get my ability.
Triple posting, but @Megs: Can you explain how if I die and you gain my ability, your ability is any less valid than mine? You'd be in the same place: you could tell us you gained my ability, but that wouldn't put you in a position any different than the one you're creating for me.
Hurr durr Iso forgot who got Vigged and who got Nightkilled, must be scum
The only reason I think this is a valid point against you is that, as town, you're very organized and appear like you're paying close attention; I couldn't see town Iso intentionally missing this, I feel like you'd be on top of that. However, I could definitely see scum Iso trying to make it look like a mistake in order to appear more town, when in reality you aren't.
While you're around, a question about Ghosting... Do you think his claim is true? By claiming his ability he's completely invalidated it.
Why are you specifically asking this of Megs? Also, if you think that my claim invalidated it, are you saying you think it's fake? If so, why say that immediately after askign Megs?
If you think my claim is false, why do you need to ask Megs if he also does? Why not ask everyone? Why not create a post detailing your thoughts about my claim? It just reads like you're trying to get Megs to hop on/hint that Megs should try to get me lynched again.
@iso really? I thought wheat's ability was pretty clear there. he said he could do one compare per cycle and two if he was on jury. I understood it pretty clearly at the time.
And clearly I did not! I think this was compounded by the fact that I don't have a Jury ability.
Didn't we establish that there was likely a mass blocker on Jury D1? And that that person was most likely Chris?
i mean it could have just as easily been you or dota. why is it Chris?
Well, it's not me, because I'm town. As for why not DoT, I seem to recall something happening on Day 2 that steered me away from that avenue of pursuit, though I can't recall exactly what; just that it happened. I'd be willing to bet it involved Chris, though!
I'm not sure I understand the question. How is one thing relevant to the other, here?
why would DV as scum not just stay on matowar?
Perhaps he recognized that Matowar was going to be lynched and wanted to appear more organic in his opposition of the idea of a Matowar lynch. Kind of a weak way of obtaining town credit, but ultimately, I think that's what his angle was.
i don't really understand here.
if he was voting for matowar... why would he want to suddenly about face and look opposed to it? would it not be easier to just stay where he was and let the lynch happen? like... he clearly wasn't opposed at first. I don't understand.
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I'm not sure what I'm not making clear. I'll lay it out in a more structured manner for you:
1. scumD_V pushes townMatowar because there's a lot of dissent in the waters with regards to Matowar. An additional voice helping poke it along couldn't hurt his chance to mislynch Matowar.
2. scumD_V realizes that Matowar's lynch is imminent, and does an about-face. Because of the timing, it doesn't look too suspect, especially when Matowar flips town. People then won't look at D_V (or at least not as hard as they might) for being on the Matowar lynch because it looks like he organically came to a new conclusion regarding his read on Matowar.
3. scumD_V slips away in the dead of Night because he was vocally opposed to a townie getting mislynched.
Hmm. Iso, how do you think your ability would mesh with Ghosting's? If you hit him with an unlock, do you think it would protect the following jury even though he's not on it?
Not something I'm even going to bother speculating on, as I have no more Unlock shots remaining.
That said, if anyone would like me to Lock someone who's been on Jury toDay, I'd be more than glad to.
@Megiddo: It's really weird that you got a warning earlier for evading the language censor, when we can just swear freely and it's no problem.
Some people have their censor on, though, and by evading the censor, you force them to see obscenities. Obviously I'm not one of those people (if my own language wasn't indication enough of that), but they do exist.
Anyway, you asked me to recall a detail on something and I speculated on where my mindset was at during that point in time. I thought you were possibly referring to some other post, which is a reasonably misunderstanding given how annoyed I am that we even have to have this exchange, and corrected myself later, as you'll see if you look back.
If you think that any of this miscommunication is intentional, need I remind you to "destroy the console in the back and center of the room"?
The problem is that I don't believe you.
Then I guess that's just your problem! Can't say I didn't try to channel your focus into constructive pursuits.
Hurr durr Iso forgot who got Vigged and who got Nightkilled, must be scum
The only reason I think this is a valid point against you is that, as town, you're very organized and appear like you're paying close attention; I couldn't see town Iso intentionally missing this, I feel like you'd be on top of that. However, I could definitely see scum Iso trying to make it look like a mistake in order to appear more town, when in reality you aren't.
No, my general modus operandi in Mafia is "autopilot until I have to kick ass" unless I immediately pick up on something I can use as either alignment. Paying attention is something I actually do very little of in Mafia games. Unless I force myself to grind through a re-read and do hard analysis, I usually just float along until something catches my eye, and then I prey upon it.
That said, I'm more inclined to pay attention as scum because it gives me better kill targets, whereas when I'm town, I can just brute force my way to victory. I tend to have to wrangle up more finesse with which to beguile my foes when I'm scum. While I admit that pretending I didn't understand something is a great way for scumIso to get away with something, the truth of the matter is that it's more likely that I'm just not paying attention. Even if you look at the start of the game, I clearly wasn't paying attention with regards to my misunderstanding of the game's mechanics when I started to get in a shouting match with D_V (at least, I think it was D_V).
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Ghosting's last couple of posts are literally the towniest possible. There is no way that anyone town should sincerely think he is scum. They just exude town-style confidence that I absolutely don't believe Ghosting would be able to fake.
Iso's last post makes me feel more confident that he is scum. The whole thing just comes across the wrong way.
@iso really? I thought wheat's ability was pretty clear there. he said he could do one compare per cycle and two if he was on jury. I understood it pretty clearly at the time.
And clearly I did not! I think this was compounded by the fact that I don't have a Jury ability.
Kind of a crappy argument that Iso "Mafia Player of the Year Most Years" didn't understand something even though Megiddo "Arrivederci Megiddo" does.
Ghosting's last couple of posts are literally the towniest possible. There is no way that anyone town should sincerely think he is scum. They just exude town-style confidence that I absolutely don't believe Ghosting would be able to fake.
Iso's last post makes me feel more confident that he is scum. The whole thing just comes across the wrong way.
Same, this is the sort of tone I'm getting from Iso:
The "Oops, guess I'm <snip>" defense just doesn't work.
I feel like I entered a bazarro world where people can just call people scum without posting anything, and other people just follow it. WG and Cyan are in agreement.
Am I at the house of good mafia play right now, or did I get the wrong address?
So, this makes sense to me at least. Wheat was the first person to actually push me as scum, the people who are on his wagon do not see me as scum. It's possible (at this stage) we are both town, but almost impossible that we are both scum.
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If GJ gets lynched and flips town, I'm voting DV tomorrow first and never unvoting.
I also still believe that at least one of TS/WG is scum, and certainly WG is more likely to be scum than Megiddo. I'm not impressed with the fact that WG is voting Ghostling, either. Ghostling still looks like more newb and less scum to me.
I also still don't understand how Megiddo has 6 votes. Could he be scum? Sure. But he just hasn't done that much in general. Not enough to be the second biggest wagon of the game.
Anyway. Unvote Mato. I still think Mato has a good chance of being scum, but more time is going to be needed there, clearly. Vote Wheat Grinder
I think that we should see a claim out of WG before Megiddo and then decide how to proceed.
So all of a sudden, WG has to be busing. There would be no other reason to push a claim out of him, if he didn't think WG was scum at this stage.
And then, Wheat claimed and it ended. Huh. I thought there were more votes from my wagon, but apparently it's just Cyan.
Hm. Vote Cyan, Vote Iso. The TS kill is really bothering me. We have a claimed bodyguard, a confirmed PR/universally town read player (Anak), and three really powerful scum hunters (in theory). I could see perhaps the hesitance on Chris or Iso due to having a higher chance of being lynched, but why is Cyan/Anak still alive?
@Iso: As I understand it, you targeted Wheat with your unlock, yet he never said anything. Is that correct or am I missing something?
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Wheat, as hard as I laughed at your last post, I actually have a pretty long track record of skimming over mechanics and misunderstanding them. Two examples of this are Celestial and Ataghan. Given our history of miscommunication, I'm having trouble comprehending why this is so unbelievable to you. Do you really think that highly of me?
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I like the part where you just tacked on an Iso vote too. I don't recall you expressing any meaningful suspicion toward him before this, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can point out where that happened?
I like the part where you just tacked on an Iso vote too. I don't recall you expressing any meaningful suspicion toward him before this, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can point out where that happened?
Maybe you should read my posts, and see I have been feeling icky about you since day 2. Or, maybe lay off words like "OMGUS" and "textbook scum play". As far as Iso goes, I don't really care for his back and forth with Wheat, and something seems weird. Night kill options are not something I invest a huge amount of stock into, but the TS choice was really wonky. I feel one of you/Iso/SC are likely scum, and we both know how I feel about SC.
But tell me, do you really think Rhand is a bus vote?
your narrative makes sense except that I don't think your point 2 is true. I was there. that's not how the flow of the trial went.
show me the posts that indicated to DV that mato was the likely lynch Yesterday. there's about a page of posts between where DV voted mato and where he moved.
I just reread that whole section and don't see it.
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Which I could have been on if I wanted to and didn't die
And no, all that says to me is that after you're on Jury, you have the double shot.
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Yes, let me block everyone and then claim a neighbor the same day instead of claiming blocked.
Man you must think I am the worst.
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2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Also, I think I interpreted part of that as you not being confident in your Jury selection until you had more flips for info.
You'll have to forgive me if I don't share your opinion of your Mafia play!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That's when I hadn't read that part of my role PM
how the **** does that make sense
"i don't have a jury unlockable ability" -Wheat
"BETTER UNLOCK THAT ABILITY THAT CAN'T BE UNLOCKED RIGHT QUICK" -Iso
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
IT WAS IN THE SAME POST THAT I CLAIMED THAT
THERE'S NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THIS
where's post 2244
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Anyway, you asked me to recall a detail on something and I speculated on where my mindset was at during that point in time. I thought you were possibly referring to some other post, which is a reasonably misunderstanding given how annoyed I am that we even have to have this exchange, and corrected myself later, as you'll see if you look back.
If you think that any of this miscommunication is intentional, need I remind you to "destroy the console in the back and center of the room"?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Wheat: Where are you on D_V? Do you think scum could have an ability like his?
I'm back. I won't disappear again. proph is gonna be mad at me if i flake.
let me work backwards.
where have you been? and is this your only contribution Today?
sincerely,
—kettle
@iso really? I thought wheat's ability was pretty clear there. he said he could do one compare per cycle and two if he was on jury. I understood it pretty clearly at the time.
i am a bit troubled by the overlap but realistically it isn't THAT close... though I wonder why proph would have...
hm.
hey vaimes, what's your flavor? like all of it.
wow ok so I really was just forced onto jury by scum. I mean obviously but I thought there was an outside chance you has voted for me.
I wonder if I was being used? I should look back on the matowar wagon. I'll do that when not on mobile.
if he was voting for matowar... why would he want to suddenly about face and look opposed to it? would it not be easier to just stay where he was and let the lynch happen? like... he clearly wasn't opposed at first. I don't understand.
remember here that for this excercise we are assuming that tcm is town.
insightful question.
on some level you won't be able to know. obviously I'm going to tell you I came to the conclusion organically. all I can say is that I have spent a great deal of my time on this web forum since 2007 being a very angry person, occasionally at great personal cost. my tenure as mod and admin of this website stands out as a time where that was especially true. Mafia in particular was an outlet for anger. I have said some very nasty things to people. I have been a cruel bastard forward and backwards in these games and justified it all by saying that it was a tactic. a way to get reads. that by pushing people to their emotional breaking point I could get reads on them and win Mafia games. i told myself that I turned it off as soon as I was outside of the game, that it was all just a way to play the game and didn't affect anybody in any real way. this was mostly just lying to myself. ultimately those feelings sort of seeped into my being and the distinction got lost. at its worst I had literal hatred of another player on this site that I carried outside of the games, outside of the forum, even. the culmination was a really embarrassing episode that caused me to get suspended from the forum for the first time. I made a lot of people very angry. a player in this game asked if I could be banned forever (see my sig). since then I've made a lot of effort to be more positive and never allow myself to again be the person dragging a game down into the bowels of unpleasantness.
... I've told this whole story a few times now. I apologize if you've seen it before. I think I might have mentioned it in the jury chat.
anyway. how does this apply to you? I saw a guy who was throwing a fit in the game. my gut reaction was to say you were "dragging the game down" to a level that I dislike... a level that I used to engage at.
but I had to stop myself from succumbing to my gut instinct to get angry at YOU. i was planning to talk to you post game about this but you've kind of forced me here.
I divorced all emotion from my read. I will say that being in the jury helped with this. I was removed from the action and so I was an observer with a more objective perspective than those in the thread. I don't know how it would have gone if I had been here at the time.
I saw a guy who was angry, and I saw a guy who was stirring up *****.
I give you enough credit to think that you can fake being angry if it would advance your agenda.
but I also give you enough credit that you can self-censor REAL anger as scum if the expression of that anger wouldn't be tactically smart.
regardless of whether the anger was real or not, I had and have a hard time seeing what the tactical advantage of that tirade would be as scum. so I have to conclude that you aren't.
maybe it's a next level play, easily possible. but I'm reasonably certain that I'm right and I'm going to stand by it.
? Do you actually expect to clear/condemn anyone via flavor, or.
But since the game is kind of stagnating, sure.
I don't really know how in-depth I'm allowed to go, but I'm Larry Butz. If there's a weird smell in the air, it's usually me (paraphrased butt pun whee). I'm a "well-known" artist and my paint's chemicals can be used to kill others. I have a tendency to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and am generally unlucky when it comes to love and work. There's a bunch of stuff about me hanging out in the children's section of a bookstore because my reading level is abysmal. But it inspired me to become an author's apprentice, and that's my alibi in a case where my boss was killed.
I still don't know what to think about GJ right now. I don't feel like his behavior has improved much today. I also don't feel like he and Iso can really be scum together. But WG has made me feel more confident in my initial read there, and I'm willing to let the Jury decide whether to lynch Iso or GJ. Vote GJ
I do think that people should look into Rhand more, I feel like there is something there.
I have been reading along but feel a bit lost at the moment. My biggest scum read is Hunt, mainly based on how KK played day 1 and subsequently how Hunt went about his claim. I had D_V pegged as scum as well but I'm having difficulty reconciling his now proven ability as being scum, so I'm back at square one on him.
While you're around, a question about Ghosting... Do you think his claim is true? By claiming his ability he's completely invalidated it.
Hmm. Iso, how do you think your ability would mesh with Ghosting's? If you hit him with an unlock, do you think it would protect the following jury even though he's not on it?
Looking back at KK's first post about who wants to be on the jury, do you think he could have been fishing for jury ability claims?
Sincerely,
Pot (Forgot to add this when I got to thinking about Ghosting )
... based on the flips i abandoned that idea pretty early on. however, there's still a couple of things I'm keeping an eye out for that I want to at least consider.
toxic paints though? lol
@PoTA: ghosting's claim... well I am inclined to think that it could be fake. we've already been over how easy it is to fabricate (just... don't kill the folks on the jury the same day that ghosting is) and yeah, claiming it totally invalidates it. usually townies who have abilities like that are very reluctant to claim at all because they know the value is erased the moment they claim.
The problem is that I don't believe you.
I thought D_V was town aside from his ability. I think he is town with his ability, too.
That's what I think.
I can't read Rhand all that well so I'm no help there.
I do agree that Iso and GJ have got to go down. And by Iso and GJ I really just mean GJ.
Hey, you folks on the bench right now. You're going to lynch GJ. I will haunt your asses. Even worse than I already am haunting I guess.
It's so freeing to know that I'm already dead.
Interesting, considering:
Also, scum can still decide to kill me. If they don't, and my ability remains untested, it wouldn't be hard for them to try to paint me as scum because of it. However, me on jury guarantees the safety of the other two players, and if I die, you get my ability.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
The only reason I think this is a valid point against you is that, as town, you're very organized and appear like you're paying close attention; I couldn't see town Iso intentionally missing this, I feel like you'd be on top of that. However, I could definitely see scum Iso trying to make it look like a mistake in order to appear more town, when in reality you aren't.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Why are you specifically asking this of Megs? Also, if you think that my claim invalidated it, are you saying you think it's fake? If so, why say that immediately after askign Megs?
If you think my claim is false, why do you need to ask Megs if he also does? Why not ask everyone? Why not create a post detailing your thoughts about my claim? It just reads like you're trying to get Megs to hop on/hint that Megs should try to get me lynched again.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I mean...how is one supposed to bring up the topic of possible Jury nominations in a way that /doesn't/ look like rolefishing?
And clearly I did not! I think this was compounded by the fact that I don't have a Jury ability.
Well, it's not me, because I'm town. As for why not DoT, I seem to recall something happening on Day 2 that steered me away from that avenue of pursuit, though I can't recall exactly what; just that it happened. I'd be willing to bet it involved Chris, though!
I'm not sure what I'm not making clear. I'll lay it out in a more structured manner for you:
1. scumD_V pushes townMatowar because there's a lot of dissent in the waters with regards to Matowar. An additional voice helping poke it along couldn't hurt his chance to mislynch Matowar.
2. scumD_V realizes that Matowar's lynch is imminent, and does an about-face. Because of the timing, it doesn't look too suspect, especially when Matowar flips town. People then won't look at D_V (or at least not as hard as they might) for being on the Matowar lynch because it looks like he organically came to a new conclusion regarding his read on Matowar.
3. scumD_V slips away in the dead of Night because he was vocally opposed to a townie getting mislynched.
Make sense?
Not something I'm even going to bother speculating on, as I have no more Unlock shots remaining.
That said, if anyone would like me to Lock someone who's been on Jury toDay, I'd be more than glad to.
Some people have their censor on, though, and by evading the censor, you force them to see obscenities. Obviously I'm not one of those people (if my own language wasn't indication enough of that), but they do exist.
Then I guess that's just your problem! Can't say I didn't try to channel your focus into constructive pursuits.
No, my general modus operandi in Mafia is "autopilot until I have to kick ass" unless I immediately pick up on something I can use as either alignment. Paying attention is something I actually do very little of in Mafia games. Unless I force myself to grind through a re-read and do hard analysis, I usually just float along until something catches my eye, and then I prey upon it.
That said, I'm more inclined to pay attention as scum because it gives me better kill targets, whereas when I'm town, I can just brute force my way to victory. I tend to have to wrangle up more finesse with which to beguile my foes when I'm scum. While I admit that pretending I didn't understand something is a great way for scumIso to get away with something, the truth of the matter is that it's more likely that I'm just not paying attention. Even if you look at the start of the game, I clearly wasn't paying attention with regards to my misunderstanding of the game's mechanics when I started to get in a shouting match with D_V (at least, I think it was D_V).
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso's last post makes me feel more confident that he is scum. The whole thing just comes across the wrong way.
Wheat, are you ever going to actually respond to anything other than my sexual innuendos?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Kind of a crappy argument that Iso "Mafia Player of the Year Most Years" didn't understand something even though Megiddo "Arrivederci Megiddo" does.
Same, this is the sort of tone I'm getting from Iso:
The "Oops, guess I'm <snip>" defense just doesn't work.
Am I at the house of good mafia play right now, or did I get the wrong address?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So, this makes sense to me at least. Wheat was the first person to actually push me as scum, the people who are on his wagon do not see me as scum. It's possible (at this stage) we are both town, but almost impossible that we are both scum.
So all of a sudden, WG has to be busing. There would be no other reason to push a claim out of him, if he didn't think WG was scum at this stage.
And then, Wheat claimed and it ended. Huh. I thought there were more votes from my wagon, but apparently it's just Cyan.
Hm. Vote Cyan, Vote Iso. The TS kill is really bothering me. We have a claimed bodyguard, a confirmed PR/universally town read player (Anak), and three really powerful scum hunters (in theory). I could see perhaps the hesitance on Chris or Iso due to having a higher chance of being lynched, but why is Cyan/Anak still alive?
@Iso: As I understand it, you targeted Wheat with your unlock, yet he never said anything. Is that correct or am I missing something?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I like the part where you just tacked on an Iso vote too. I don't recall you expressing any meaningful suspicion toward him before this, but I could be wrong. Maybe you can point out where that happened?
Maybe you should read my posts, and see I have been feeling icky about you since day 2. Or, maybe lay off words like "OMGUS" and "textbook scum play". As far as Iso goes, I don't really care for his back and forth with Wheat, and something seems weird. Night kill options are not something I invest a huge amount of stock into, but the TS choice was really wonky. I feel one of you/Iso/SC are likely scum, and we both know how I feel about SC.
But tell me, do you really think Rhand is a bus vote?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
your narrative makes sense except that I don't think your point 2 is true. I was there. that's not how the flow of the trial went.
show me the posts that indicated to DV that mato was the likely lynch Yesterday. there's about a page of posts between where DV voted mato and where he moved.
I just reread that whole section and don't see it.