I think his trial strategy of not defending himself and slinging random mud without a real target leaves much to be desired.
There is a part of me, albeit a small one, that likes that he is still shouting that telling people who to vote for is a good plan.
But then another part that remembers that he did not do that in his first trial, when he had a perfect chance to be the last voice in everyone's mind and a chunk of people probably would have listened to him.
So the complete answer is I think we should lynch him.
I think we had the same visceral reaction to Chris's rant. have you taken a step back and reread it objectively? we came to opposing conclusions on Chris from the same material.
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i am not a fan of you playing chicken with tcm over jury planning.
does your plan take into account claimed abilities that need jury seats to unlock?
That is fair.
But I don't actually think he will flip town.
I am, however, very interested in hearing his response to that.
I did not take notes on everyone's claims, but I believe the only people with claimed abilities unlocked by the jury that are not in my group of 5 are current defendants.
Anak, Cyan, and Ghosting are among the choices.
I have, and SC was not satisfied with that. He wants it to be on record in case he dies, and wants you to answer why it looks like you went from accusing him of dragging the game (implying scummy) to likely townChris.
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OBJECTION!
The only thing your plan succeeded in was getting who you/iso wanted on the jury and getting a townie killed.
I didn't force Necarg to the trial phase, and even if I did, he did himself no favors. As far as mine/Iso's plan, we put dota in a room with two really strong players and have a really solid read on him, while we got at least some control over the jury. It was a good plan, and whose mudslinging now (if we are going to use your broad definition of the word)?
47 posts, a mislynch, and no information. That is what your plan brought us.
And it was not even the will of the town.
Having two-three days with 0 posts to start with: the will of the town would be so divided, it would be impossible to figure out. When I originally ran my AS mafia, both Wheat and Dan thought the first phase for selection should be a week, for the very reason that neither doubted the town could come to a reasonable conclusion.
You even say that my colleague's plan showed us 3 scum in a group of 6, which while I do not agree, would be better than anything your plan could hope to accomplish.
Wait, how do you know exactly 3 people deviated from Anak?
Do you expect scumChris to be completely unable to avoid traps like that?
I don't know. Wasn't my point to you. I'll ask him, but don't know if he will be on or not.
Yes. I have been preoccupied with getting arrested since Day 0.
No, I have no explanation other than "I was drawing hate"
But I am reading this trial as GJ having given up on defending himself and just trying to push his agenda.
I don't see any of the people behind me for a lynch (again, short of end day 2 Seppel being pushed, so either people need to realize I am town, or I need to die to make people re-look at Rhand/Vaimes (even though SC disagrees with me on Rhand).
Sounds like Seppel/megs might get some support, and I am with DV on tom. Shame, as I was feeling better about you day 1. Ah well.
I am in a gambling mood.
How about this, Johnny:
If I can convince Mr. Gido to lynch you, we can let your flip determine the plan.
Obviously people will listen or not, but if you flip town I will vote where you tell me to and my colleague will half-heartedly attack people who deviated from it Tomorrow in your honor.
And when you flip scum, I think most of the town would follow Mr. Sloger's plan since it is the obvious candidates anyway.
Nah. I am hoping people just realize my plan makes sense, and bury you if you decide to deviate :).
I mean this in a respectful way, but I don't think you can convince anyone to follow my plan.
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I think Mr. Sloger is simply taunting GJ for reactions, which isn't gonna get far with GJ... Otherwise I would agree with you, that looked altogether scummy... Not that I expect less from Tom. He can be as bad as me with foot-in-mouth syndrome.
I teach for a living. Nothing could actually bother me. Cyan gets pretty close, but I just put my mask back on and have a grand 'ol time.
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I will tell you that I am currently in favor of lynching The Cold Monarch. His non answers and shouting about his bad plan have not made me reconsider.
But I would not shed a tear as Matowar was led to death row.
Let's assume town follows my list to the t. What's wrong with my plan?
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I'm more inclined to believe TCM with his explanation of what happened on his ability
I targeted megs, and according to Proph, he gets the questions the second it goes to night. I used the ability before I went to my hold em tournament, and got the confirmation email sent.
Now, if you think I am scum independent of that, well, not much I can do about that.
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I'm actually currently thinking GJ is the nehbourizer that would make so much more sense with detective Badd.
Well, that theory gets blown out the ******* window with the above.
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What information would you hope to gain from GJ's flip?
He thinks the three of us are connected, and the only reason I am answering this is because he already explained this a long time ago.
I don't remember specifically how, but he can dredge up that post if he wants. It's actually terrible logic that sets up a chain of mislynches if 2/3 of us are town (and I think there is a fair chance all three of us are, so....)
I think his trial strategy of not defending himself and slinging random mud without a real target leaves much to be desired.
You are on a 24 hour break from using the phrase "mud slinging". Call peoples' plans bad, is not mudslinging. I only said I got yellow fever from the QT because if I said cancer, I had a feeling I'd get a warning, or at least offend someone and I would hate to be an ******** on accident. Only on purpose.
Also, Chris would like to reiterate his support for Hunt's towniness. There are just certain things townies do, and scumHunt would not approach the game like he has in SC's opinion (he said this yesterday in the early afternoon), and that he thinks matowar should die.
Chris fears he might die, so he wanted me to state this for the members of the jury.
1. "dragging down" meant that Chris's childish rant was dragging down the civility of the game and, as a byproduct, my enjoyment in the game and the enjoyment of others. if you want to discuss this further I suggest that we save it for post game.
2. tom! how was lynching necarg "not the will of the town" when the town put him up for lynching?
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I'll update if SC responds megs, but at the risk of playing identical to Trackers, the jury has approximately 12 hours and 35 minutes or matowar will be the default lynch.
I'm not. I said everything I needed to say, unless you actually have questions for me.
Chris asked that I asked his questions, and I saw nothing wrong with his inquiries. I also have tried to be persuasive with other people, but that has simply fallen on deaf ears.
"I targeted megs, and according to Proph, he gets the questions the second it goes to night. I used the ability before I went to my hold em tournament, and got the confirmation email sent."
Is it the actual name of your ability, or is it in your pm?
He's not lying about his ******* role pm. Stop trying to sling mud dear god.
Unvote Vote GJ
GJ's the more correct lynch I'm out bois.
what?
the point isn't that he's lying about the word being in his role PM. the point is that the word actually being in his role PM makes him scum. both tcm and I were trying to probe this
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I didn't force Necarg to the trial phase, and even if I did, he did himself no favors. As far as mine/Iso's plan, we put dota in a room with two really strong players and have a really solid read on him, while we got at least some control over the jury. It was a good plan, and whose mudslinging now (if we are going to use your broad definition of the word)?
When you say "we got...some control" you get very quickly to my issue. Because that "we" means you/iso, not the town.
And by mudslinging, i mean:
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the jury should have itself incredibly scrutinized
These posts are why I want you all to be wary of Cyan
my gut says yes to [mato] being scum
If anything, it makes tom look slightly worse.
matowar is here to die
Ghsoting's vote was trash, Anak I think fears me, even if he won't admit it, Cyan's case on me is litteral trash, with everyone eating it up, and no one even was glancing at Seppel/Vaimes.
So yes, in this trial you have thrown shade at cyan, me, mato, megs, ghosting, vaimes, seppel...
Basically everyone you've talked about except yourself, Chris, and your small town block.
Wait, how do you know exactly 3 people deviated from Anak?
We did the math on that in the QT. That is the minimum number of liars it would take if all the votes are counted.
Nah. I am hoping people just realize my plan makes sense, and bury you if you decide to deviate :).
I think you actually forgot to complete your plan.
Let's assume town follows my list to the t. What's wrong with my plan?
It still doesn't actually give us information or elect who THE PEOPLE want to the jury.
Is it the actual name of your ability, or is it in your pm?
He's not lying about his ******* role pm. Stop trying to sling mud dear god.
Unvote Vote GJ
GJ's the more correct lynch I'm out bois.
what?
the point isn't that he's lying about the word being in his role PM. the point is that the word actually being in his role PM makes him scum. both tcm and I were trying to probe this
No look at the last question he asked. He's talking about names of abilities and things like he's making the whole claim seem like a lie.
So yes, in this trial you have thrown shade at cyan, me, mato, megs, ghosting, vaimes, seppel...
Basically everyone you've talked about except yourself, Chris, and your small town block.
Yes. It's called "look ******* here" after you realize you were wrong on me. Calling people scum =/= mudslinging.
When you say "we got...some control" you get very quickly to my issue. Because that "we" means you/iso, not the town.
And by mudslinging, i mean:
You need a history lesson. If we listened to the people in 1860, Lincoln would have never been president. Fortunately, the people who wanted the Democrats to win were split between two members.
Do you not see that issue with your plan? I don't understand why no one (apart from Citric, I think) slammed your plan, even if they didn't necessarily agree with me.
I think you actually forgot to complete your plan.
No one listed a relative third. Personally, I want dota. That said, I doubt it will happen. Anak/Ghosting seems to be "what the people want".
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or is it in your pm?
I want clarification. Megs hit the nail on the head, I was curious if he would claim something. My role is journalist, but the flavor of the shot is "The truth isn't sweet"
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tcm you targeted me, yes? so I'll get questions from you at Night?
what happens if I fail to answer?
The moderator will still show the questionnaire, and the will show that you were given questions, but refused to answer them.
Yes. It's called "look ******* here" after you realize you were wrong on me. Calling people scum =/= mudslinging.
Mr. Monarch, could we get a full T/S list from you?
You need a history lesson. If we listened to the people in 1860, Lincoln would have never been president. Fortunately, the people who wanted the Democrats to win were split between two members.
Well, in this situation, all three would have been president...
Do you not see that issue with your plan? I don't understand why no one (apart from Citric, I think) slammed your plan, even if they didn't necessarily agree with me.
Mr. Sloger's plan was, at its heart, not a plan. Its just the game rules and then trying to gain information from it. Theres not really anything to attack as that is how it works.
No one listed a relative third. Personally, I want dota. That said, I doubt it will happen. Anak/Ghosting seems to be "what the people want".
Ghosting is "what the people want"?
Remind me who voted for him last Night.
Mr. Sloger put him among the options, but I would not expect him to draw many votes.
Mr. Monarch, could we get a full T/S list from you?
I'll tell you the same thing I just told SC:
For scum currently:
Mato > Seppel > Vaimes > Cyan > Megs/Rhand.
Rhand and megs I am feeling better on. The latter did better in this phase than the invesitgation day 0/1, while Chris is really pushing the former as likely town. I don't know what his scum motive would be for that, especially considering I have a very fair chance of dying.
It's frustrating, man. I don't think all five scum are on me, but the list of people not wanting me to die are:
Iso/Hunt/Citric/DV/Sir Chris/dota: Out of those guys, the only one I don't feel that great about is Citric. Hunt shouldn't be touched, and Iso/Sir Chris are fine. DV switching to me is annoying, but not scummy, and dota shouldn't be touched either, but the people who tried for him should be looked at (I realize Iso was once of those guys)
Well, in this situation, all three would have been president...
4-5 scum still, after I die, right? 5 candidates: 16 votes would equal to 3.2 votes per player average, right? Except let's make the bold assumption all five of the players you listed are town, yeah. The mafia literally get to choose anyone they want, and likely can manipulate two because no one on that list is equally wanted (I would safetly assume anak is one of the more popular choices), so you are setting up for a situation where...well...literally anyone could end up on the jury, and no one would be accountable.
Mr. Sloger's plan was, at its heart, not a plan. Its just the game rules and then trying to gain information from it. Theres not really anything to attack as that is how it works.
Trying to turn a potential tool for the town into a scum player's paradise gives Mr. Sloger's plan infinite possibilities to attack.
Ghosting is "what the people want"?
Remind me who voted for him last Night.
I assumed a few wanted him there, due to him being a jury bodyguard. I know despite the jury's opinion, most people were either town or null reading him, so with a jury ability, he is a pretty safe choice.
Tom's so scum tastic. Now he's backing out of the GJ lynch. I'm leaving my vote here. Meg's its up to you but I wouldn't trust Tom anymore.
I want to lynch both of them right now. Almost as much as I want to lynch you.
But "A prosecutor is a guardian of the court; one with no obligations to outside matters."
And you are not an option.
I think he is town, I expect to die. And I trust him to push my reads infinitely more than you.
As far as why he is part of my identity, I enjoy interacting with him a lot more.
A thought just occured to me though. If you aren't lynch mato today, why aren't you pushing for either him/Vaimes to be on the jury? I am guessing if Vaimes is town, was thinking about CCing, he is likely jury based as well, otherwise he would have said nothing and shut scumMato in the face
Tom's so scum tastic. Now he's backing out of the GJ lynch. I'm leaving my vote here. Meg's its up to you but I wouldn't trust Tom anymore.
I want to lynch both of them right now. Almost as much as I want to lynch you.
But "A prosecutor is a guardian of the court; one with no obligations to outside matters."
And you are not an option.
Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy in those two posts? You're not even making consistent arguments mang.
Tom's so scum tastic. Now he's backing out of the GJ lynch. I'm leaving my vote here. Meg's its up to you but I wouldn't trust Tom anymore.
I want to lynch both of them right now. Almost as much as I want to lynch you.
But "A prosecutor is a guardian of the court; one with no obligations to outside matters."
And you are not an option.
Do you plan on ever putting mato on the jury to prove he can shoot someone?
I think we had the same visceral reaction to Chris's rant. have you taken a step back and reread it objectively? we came to opposing conclusions on Chris from the same material.
I have yet to reread it after calming down a bit... but I will say that after Chris had come out of it, he was starting to sound much better, and it could have been mostly tied to his emotional OoG week...
I will definitely reevaluate it.
Tom's so scum tastic. Now he's backing out of the GJ lynch. I'm leaving my vote here. Meg's its up to you but I wouldn't trust Tom anymore.
I want to lynch both of them right now. Almost as much as I want to lynch you.
But "A prosecutor is a guardian of the court; one with no obligations to outside matters."
And you are not an option.
Do you plan on ever putting mato on the jury to prove he can shoot someone?
**** no. I totally believe he can kill someone. I'm just not 100% on him being scum. I'm honestly 60/40 on you or mato. I buy the huntz arguments.
The arguments of "Oh town can't have two kill roles, when A one of them has to be turned on is sill" but also the idea that the scum have a "Role blocker that blocks the whole jury" and a "Jury manipulator" and one of those roles did not need to be turned on by being on the jury (Since two jury members were blocked) its just silly.
You get what I'm saying right? The town can't have any power roles but the mafia have like 2 already by everyone's standards. I've got about exactly a half an hour before I peace out now so I'll check the thread one last time.
I think he is town, I expect to die. And I trust him to push my reads infinitely more than you.
As far as why he is part of my identity, I enjoy interacting with him a lot more.
A thought just occured to me though. If you aren't lynch mato today, why aren't you pushing for either him/Vaimes to be on the jury? I am guessing if Vaimes is town, was thinking about CCing, he is likely jury based as well, otherwise he would have said nothing and shut scumMato in the face
Putting it in the thread for all to see is still infinitely better than telling one person who at least professes to expect death.
And Mr. Sloger did put Vaimes on his list of choices, though he tempered it with vague comments about his bizarre mancrush on Mr. Vaimes.
As for Mato, just because I would rather a corpse of you does not mean I trust him.
If you trust megs enough, and I claimed to target him, you have to know my ability is real then.
Frankly, Jonathan, I could give two *****s about your claim. I am after your mindset.
As you have said, your claim being true has little bearing on your alignment.
Ghosting is "what the people want"?
Remind me who voted for him last Night.
Mr. Sloger put him among the options, but I would not expect him to draw many votes.
It's not about him having votes last night, it's about planning for the future. A couple great scenarios happen if he is on the jury. One, we catch a lying scum. Two, he gets to prove his claim. Three, nothing happens but we made scum have to kill outside the jury group. The last scenario sucks, but basically nothing happens and we have a huge load of WIFOM to sort through...
3 our of 4 possibilities that are decent seem like a solid plan to me...
I'm here now. we had a gallery opening for my stepfather yesterday so I was unable to post.
what do you think of tcm so far this Trial?
There is a part of me, albeit a small one, that likes that he is still shouting that telling people who to vote for is a good plan.
But then another part that remembers that he did not do that in his first trial, when he had a perfect chance to be the last voice in everyone's mind and a chunk of people probably would have listened to him.
So the complete answer is I think we should lynch him.
over mato?
I just read hung's big post and I am not interested in lynching him.
I think we had the same visceral reaction to Chris's rant. have you taken a step back and reread it objectively? we came to opposing conclusions on Chris from the same material.
But I am decidedly not done with Mato yet.
And of course you are not interested in lynching Huntzilla.
What is your opinion on jury planning? (This question also goes out to Matowar77)
does your plan take into account claimed abilities that need jury seats to unlock?
But I don't actually think he will flip town.
I am, however, very interested in hearing his response to that.
I did not take notes on everyone's claims, but I believe the only people with claimed abilities unlocked by the jury that are not in my group of 5 are current defendants.
Anak, Cyan, and Ghosting are among the choices.
I have, and SC was not satisfied with that. He wants it to be on record in case he dies, and wants you to answer why it looks like you went from accusing him of dragging the game (implying scummy) to likely townChris.
I didn't force Necarg to the trial phase, and even if I did, he did himself no favors. As far as mine/Iso's plan, we put dota in a room with two really strong players and have a really solid read on him, while we got at least some control over the jury. It was a good plan, and whose mudslinging now (if we are going to use your broad definition of the word)?
Having two-three days with 0 posts to start with: the will of the town would be so divided, it would be impossible to figure out. When I originally ran my AS mafia, both Wheat and Dan thought the first phase for selection should be a week, for the very reason that neither doubted the town could come to a reasonable conclusion.
Wait, how do you know exactly 3 people deviated from Anak?
I don't know. Wasn't my point to you. I'll ask him, but don't know if he will be on or not.
I don't see any of the people behind me for a lynch (again, short of end day 2 Seppel being pushed, so either people need to realize I am town, or I need to die to make people re-look at Rhand/Vaimes (even though SC disagrees with me on Rhand).
Sounds like Seppel/megs might get some support, and I am with DV on tom. Shame, as I was feeling better about you day 1. Ah well.
Nah. I am hoping people just realize my plan makes sense, and bury you if you decide to deviate :).
I mean this in a respectful way, but I don't think you can convince anyone to follow my plan.
I teach for a living. Nothing could actually bother me. Cyan gets pretty close, but I just put my mask back on and have a grand 'ol time.
Let's assume town follows my list to the t. What's wrong with my plan?
I targeted megs, and according to Proph, he gets the questions the second it goes to night. I used the ability before I went to my hold em tournament, and got the confirmation email sent.
Now, if you think I am scum independent of that, well, not much I can do about that.
Well, that theory gets blown out the ******* window with the above.
He thinks the three of us are connected, and the only reason I am answering this is because he already explained this a long time ago.
I don't remember specifically how, but he can dredge up that post if he wants. It's actually terrible logic that sets up a chain of mislynches if 2/3 of us are town (and I think there is a fair chance all three of us are, so....)
You are on a 24 hour break from using the phrase "mud slinging". Call peoples' plans bad, is not mudslinging. I only said I got yellow fever from the QT because if I said cancer, I had a feeling I'd get a warning, or at least offend someone and I would hate to be an ******** on accident. Only on purpose.
Also, Chris would like to reiterate his support for Hunt's towniness. There are just certain things townies do, and scumHunt would not approach the game like he has in SC's opinion (he said this yesterday in the early afternoon), and that he thinks matowar should die.
Chris fears he might die, so he wanted me to state this for the members of the jury.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
1. "dragging down" meant that Chris's childish rant was dragging down the civility of the game and, as a byproduct, my enjoyment in the game and the enjoyment of others. if you want to discuss this further I suggest that we save it for post game.
2. tom! how was lynching necarg "not the will of the town" when the town put him up for lynching?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Chris asked that I asked his questions, and I saw nothing wrong with his inquiries. I also have tried to be persuasive with other people, but that has simply fallen on deaf ears.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
give me a minute to read through the rest of your post.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
He's not lying about his ******* role pm. Stop trying to sling mud dear god.
Unvote Vote GJ
GJ's the more correct lynch I'm out bois.
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Deadline is at 11:59 EST today. If the deadline expires then Matowar77 will be the lynch.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What say you, DV?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
the point isn't that he's lying about the word being in his role PM. the point is that the word actually being in his role PM makes him scum. both tcm and I were trying to probe this
what happens if I fail to answer?
And by mudslinging, i mean:So yes, in this trial you have thrown shade at cyan, me, mato, megs, ghosting, vaimes, seppel...
Basically everyone you've talked about except yourself, Chris, and your small town block.We did the math on that in the QT. That is the minimum number of liars it would take if all the votes are counted.I think you actually forgot to complete your plan.It still doesn't actually give us information or elect who THE PEOPLE want to the jury.
No look at the last question he asked. He's talking about names of abilities and things like he's making the whole claim seem like a lie.
To be fair, Necarg's death was not Jonathan's fault.Why did you feel the need to tell us that so many times?
Mr. Gido, do you still think Mr. _V is town? Because this worries the ever-loving crap out of me.
"More correct." Pshaw.
Yes. It's called "look ******* here" after you realize you were wrong on me. Calling people scum =/= mudslinging.
You need a history lesson. If we listened to the people in 1860, Lincoln would have never been president. Fortunately, the people who wanted the Democrats to win were split between two members.
Do you not see that issue with your plan? I don't understand why no one (apart from Citric, I think) slammed your plan, even if they didn't necessarily agree with me.
No one listed a relative third. Personally, I want dota. That said, I doubt it will happen. Anak/Ghosting seems to be "what the people want".
@DV
I want clarification. Megs hit the nail on the head, I was curious if he would claim something. My role is journalist, but the flavor of the shot is "The truth isn't sweet"
The moderator will still show the questionnaire, and the will show that you were given questions, but refused to answer them.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Remind me who voted for him last Night.
Mr. Sloger put him among the options, but I would not expect him to draw many votes.
It is possible you have already said this, but who did you attempt to question Night 1?
And what did you intend to ask them?
Did you look up strongman on the wiki? I recall you having done that with other things earlier.
I'll tell you the same thing I just told SC:
For scum currently:
Mato > Seppel > Vaimes > Cyan > Megs/Rhand.
Rhand and megs I am feeling better on. The latter did better in this phase than the invesitgation day 0/1, while Chris is really pushing the former as likely town. I don't know what his scum motive would be for that, especially considering I have a very fair chance of dying.
It's frustrating, man. I don't think all five scum are on me, but the list of people not wanting me to die are:
Iso/Hunt/Citric/DV/Sir Chris/dota: Out of those guys, the only one I don't feel that great about is Citric. Hunt shouldn't be touched, and Iso/Sir Chris are fine. DV switching to me is annoying, but not scummy, and dota shouldn't be touched either, but the people who tried for him should be looked at (I realize Iso was once of those guys)
4-5 scum still, after I die, right? 5 candidates: 16 votes would equal to 3.2 votes per player average, right? Except let's make the bold assumption all five of the players you listed are town, yeah. The mafia literally get to choose anyone they want, and likely can manipulate two because no one on that list is equally wanted (I would safetly assume anak is one of the more popular choices), so you are setting up for a situation where...well...literally anyone could end up on the jury, and no one would be accountable.
Trying to turn a potential tool for the town into a scum player's paradise gives Mr. Sloger's plan infinite possibilities to attack.
I assumed a few wanted him there, due to him being a jury bodyguard. I know despite the jury's opinion, most people were either town or null reading him, so with a jury ability, he is a pretty safe choice.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I attempted to target megs. I would rather not repeat the questions I was planning to ask.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Tom's so scum tastic. Now he's backing out of the GJ lynch. I'm leaving my vote here. Meg's its up to you but I wouldn't trust Tom anymore.
For that matter, why is chris such a big part of your identity right now?
But "A prosecutor is a guardian of the court; one with no obligations to outside matters."
And you are not an option.
As far as why he is part of my identity, I enjoy interacting with him a lot more.
A thought just occured to me though. If you aren't lynch mato today, why aren't you pushing for either him/Vaimes to be on the jury? I am guessing if Vaimes is town, was thinking about CCing, he is likely jury based as well, otherwise he would have said nothing and shut scumMato in the face
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy in those two posts? You're not even making consistent arguments mang.
Do you plan on ever putting mato on the jury to prove he can shoot someone?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
TCM what is your proposed jury plan for Tonight again?
We have 6 hours until deadline. I'm going to be here and at my computer for about 4 of those (when I'm not at the gym).
I have yet to reread it after calming down a bit... but I will say that after Chris had come out of it, he was starting to sound much better, and it could have been mostly tied to his emotional OoG week...
I will definitely reevaluate it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
**** no. I totally believe he can kill someone. I'm just not 100% on him being scum. I'm honestly 60/40 on you or mato. I buy the huntz arguments.
The arguments of "Oh town can't have two kill roles, when A one of them has to be turned on is sill" but also the idea that the scum have a "Role blocker that blocks the whole jury" and a "Jury manipulator" and one of those roles did not need to be turned on by being on the jury (Since two jury members were blocked) its just silly.
You get what I'm saying right? The town can't have any power roles but the mafia have like 2 already by everyone's standards. I've got about exactly a half an hour before I peace out now so I'll check the thread one last time.
And Mr. Sloger did put Vaimes on his list of choices, though he tempered it with vague comments about his bizarre mancrush on Mr. Vaimes.
As for Mato, just because I would rather a corpse of you does not mean I trust him.Frankly, Jonathan, I could give two *****s about your claim. I am after your mindset.
As you have said, your claim being true has little bearing on your alignment.
my bad
It's not about him having votes last night, it's about planning for the future. A couple great scenarios happen if he is on the jury. One, we catch a lying scum. Two, he gets to prove his claim. Three, nothing happens but we made scum have to kill outside the jury group. The last scenario sucks, but basically nothing happens and we have a huge load of WIFOM to sort through...
3 our of 4 possibilities that are decent seem like a solid plan to me...
I've done more than anyone else.
Meanwhile megs asks about zero questions.
Jesus christ.