I guess I do have one question for you, Tom. Did your loss of control over your vote coincide closely with Bur finding out what you could do? There are only a few categories of abilities that could result in what we've seen happen to you, and in my past experience, only 1 or 2 of those abilities tend to show up in any given game. I really doubt the town wants to go down that particular road today no matter what you answer, but there's a chance it could be quite relevant.
it had already gone wonky when i claimed in the subgame
rereading nacho's flurry of activity from the subgame. dude is super good, and we know he was town now. ill summarize:
nacho's townclear of anak based on how he acted when he was resigned to death is pretty compelling. i might have to drop that one.
nacho thinks i was too trusting of iso and bur, but im standing by that. seems like he had them as null / in his POE pile
he also mentions not liking KJ asking AZ for a bulletproof, but i already said that
he gave light townreads of huntz and ghosting but didnt explain
same with a scumread of DV.
hmmm. it seemed like more than that before summarizing. and i disagree with a fair amount of it. wish hed explained more
huntz and kj are the only people i will vote toDay. keeping both on huntz for now.
I guess I do have one question for you, Tom. Did your loss of control over your vote coincide closely with Bur finding out what you could do? There are only a few categories of abilities that could result in what we've seen happen to you, and in my past experience, only 1 or 2 of those abilities tend to show up in any given game. I really doubt the town wants to go down that particular road today no matter what you answer, but there's a chance it could be quite relevant.
it had already gone wonky when i claimed in the subgame
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
what?
i suspected nacho at the time, but none of the rest
Yes but you lost your vote during the sub game so do you think that someone might have stolen it from the sub game?
I mean the two players who you are "Auto clearing".
I'm just saying as well anyone scum reading me has like zero reason too this is actually pissing me off since I think I am like the most towny town town of this game. I was super scum reading Nacho.
Agree completely DV. You were clearly town even before me and you were the only reasons dota wasn't lynched.
@AZ I'll take a self-only vig shot if no one wants something better.
Ooh, or something awesome that kills me as a "drawback"
Not 100% sure that would work, but it seems like it should
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am Yuki Nagato from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Townie Copycat. Flavor mentions that I'm some kind of fancy humanoid robot. I am supposed to gather information about Harihi before being called back to where I came from. But there was a thing with a dimensional rift and now I'm here instead.
I have two abilities:
Data Search- I see all activated abilities the night I use it. I have 1 shot.
Mimic- Basically I target two people each night and choose an ability type (like manipulative, investigative, or special) and if an ability of that type is used, I use it on the first player (then if it has two targets, it hits the second in order. Like a redirect or something). If multiple abilities are used, I use a random one.
So, N1 I used Data Search. I saw:
Blue Pill: Claimed by Ghosting as the ability that brought Iso in. I beleive he's lying. I beleive DV said his ability brought Iso in.
Data Search: Data Search: Data Search: Data Search: Dat-***** I'm looping. I need to stop that.
Distortion: Claimed by DV.
Do Not Adjust Your Set: I beleive this is an Outer Limits reference. No one has claimed it, but the player that used it might be dead already.
Edit: I think this ability targeted Nacho to change his ability. When Citric first claimed, I thought this was him (through a combo of Grant Point not actually being in the list and his literally claiming to have changed his ability). -This is likely a scum ability-
Enter the Box: Claimed by Tom.
Faustian Bargain: This is Az's ability. It literally means Deal with the Devil. Az is therefore literally the Devil. I find this vastly amusing. Hence why I keep saying Literally the Devil.
Grant Point: Citric's ability.
Multiple User Personality: I saw two of these. Eco and DoTa's abilities.
Observe: Anak claimed this.
Watch: This is the ability I was trying to avoid claiming. At first, I believed it was from a Watcher, but one of my Mimic's makes me wonder if it's something Time related.
Citric: Would you consider your ability manipulative or special?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Agree completely DV. You were clearly town even before me and you were the only reasons dota wasn't lynched.
@AZ I'll take a self-only vig shot if no one wants something better.
Ooh, or something awesome that kills me as a "drawback"
Not 100% sure that would work, but it seems like it should
Deal.
That *should* resolve the Tomsloger situation for us.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Its still that thing from Day 1 when he was scumreading original me for whatever and then reevaluated and changed his mind.
I wish he was able to explain it, but its just a terrible scum play to commit to town clearing someone forever without being able to gain any credit for it.
And I suppose that's what I'm doing now. But I would absolutely make terrible plays like that as scum for the greater good evil. But ghosting is far too logical for that.
Ughhh I don't want to write any PBPA's up and you won't get me too for at least a week and a half.
Sorry guys LSAT soon so I'm kinda busy on that. Even though as long as I don't get below 170 I'll be happy at this point because increasing my score past that has been boring and tedious.
For the record, we are at 8 players alive, and the mod has confirmed we are at lylo, so that would mean either three mafia remaining, or that the mod is counting Tom's votes toward lylo.
Oh, well, 9 . you count me. Apparently that means we are unable to Lynch scum unless every single town player agrees or the mafia vote against each other. One less vote and we would have had to use Dv's kill on Tom.
Probably, that's what we should do any ways, if someone else would like to trade me. We can't lose instantly that way unless there are 4.
Maybe I should check if I even count as a player again though. Later.
Also iso and proph, right? Do their votes not count?
Oh. Right.
So we are actually at 11 players alive, and the so-called lylo is fake? No, derp. There must be 3 mafia players still alive, plus the 2 votes from Tomsloger counting towards lylo, for us to be in lylo.
I'm not sure I'm following you. I am one town vote and one (partially) scum vote. That's a net zero.
Plus if DVs weird shot gets me and leaves the extra vote, we're in real trouble.
You got mod confirmation that were in lylo though? That's the real story here
Me dying wouldn't. Me being removed from the game might.
Im obviously not sure on this, but like if I'm lynched we both die. If I'm killed just the other person does.
RFG is not mentioned.
I think I might've found an explanation for the lack of nightkills from Mind Screw Mafia 4...
Reality Reversion Aftermath - When you successfully perform the Mafia kill, you will learn the full role name of that player, and then the killed player will become a tree stump. The killed player will not be informed that he or she is dead, can still post in the thread, can still be targeted by abilities, and still appears on the living players list. However, that player will no longer count towards factional win conditions and any abilities he or she uses (including votes) have no effect. If a player killed via Reality Reversion would be killed by a second killing ability (including lynch), instead that player's death and alignment will be revealed (including the fact that the player had already been killed, though not the time of actual death) and the ability fails.
4) CitricBase (rep. Darth Melvin), rendered brain dead Night 2, shoved out an airlock Night 2, died impossibly Night 3, revived Night 4
@Anak: Would you mind giving my your T/S list, please?
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
I mean, I've almost been killed by friendly fire twice, and dv's gone out of his way to screw with me, even though I'm clearly not an unlynchable and hard to be killed mafioso and have done nothing except give the town helpful abilities all game, but sure, maybe some MORE factually baseless paranoia regarding my role is called for?
I mean, I've almost been killed by friendly fire twice, and dv's gone out of his way to screw with me, even though I'm clearly not an unlynchable and hard to be killed mafioso and have done nothing except give the town helpful abilities all game, but sure, maybe some MORE factually baseless paranoia regarding my role is called for?
Who are you referring to? I only remember Hunt on the top of my head...
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
nacho's townclear of anak based on how he acted when he was resigned to death is pretty compelling. i might have to drop that one.
nacho thinks i was too trusting of iso and bur, but im standing by that. seems like he had them as null / in his POE pile
he also mentions not liking KJ asking AZ for a bulletproof, but i already said that
he gave light townreads of huntz and ghosting but didnt explain
same with a scumread of DV.
hmmm. it seemed like more than that before summarizing. and i disagree with a fair amount of it. wish hed explained more
huntz and kj are the only people i will vote toDay. keeping both on huntz for now.
ive got rodrigo y gabriela>ozomatli>buddy guy friday-sunday and building the stage this afternoon.
Wait and you don't suspect anyone in the Subgame?
i suspected nacho at the time, but none of the rest
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes but you lost your vote during the sub game so do you think that someone might have stolen it from the sub game?
I mean the two players who you are "Auto clearing".
I'm just saying as well anyone scum reading me has like zero reason too this is actually pissing me off since I think I am like the most towny town town of this game. I was super scum reading Nacho.
Citric, you know what to do?
@AZ I'll take a self-only vig shot if no one wants something better.
Ooh, or something awesome that kills me as a "drawback"
Not 100% sure that would work, but it seems like it should
I'm an advocate of shooting Tom, since it'll help down narrow the gamestate and quell my paranoia.
Maybe I'll reread. I have no idea where we are now since the modgaming and mechanics kind of made me check out of this game.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
"It's the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It makes shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero."
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CitricBase and Ghosting have been prodded.
The Twenty-Seventh Vote Count (aka the "Deadline Bistromathics" Vote Count)
2) Anaklusmos (0) -
3) Bur (1) - Huntzilla
4) CitricBase (rep. Darth Melvin) (0) -
5) D_V (0) -
8) Ghosting (0) -
10) Huntzilla (3) - tomsloger, Killjoy
13) Killjoy (0) -
18) tomloger (rep. RobRoy) (0) -
Not Voting (8) - Anaklusmos, Bur, CitricBase, D_V, Ghosting
With ??? votes in play it takes ??? votes to lynch.
Day 4 Deadline: [REDACTED - Rule 0]
End point of order!
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I'll claim/post my stuff after I'm done in another game.
Yeah, I will be targeting you toNight
I am Yuki Nagato from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Townie Copycat. Flavor mentions that I'm some kind of fancy humanoid robot. I am supposed to gather information about Harihi before being called back to where I came from. But there was a thing with a dimensional rift and now I'm here instead.
I have two abilities:
Data Search- I see all activated abilities the night I use it. I have 1 shot.
Mimic- Basically I target two people each night and choose an ability type (like manipulative, investigative, or special) and if an ability of that type is used, I use it on the first player (then if it has two targets, it hits the second in order. Like a redirect or something). If multiple abilities are used, I use a random one.
So, N1 I used Data Search. I saw:
Blue Pill: Claimed by Ghosting as the ability that brought Iso in. I beleive he's lying. I beleive DV said his ability brought Iso in.
Data Search: Data Search: Data Search: Data Search: Dat-***** I'm looping. I need to stop that.
Distortion: Claimed by DV.
Do Not Adjust Your Set: I beleive this is an Outer Limits reference. No one has claimed it, but the player that used it might be dead already.
Edit: I think this ability targeted Nacho to change his ability. When Citric first claimed, I thought this was him (through a combo of Grant Point not actually being in the list and his literally claiming to have changed his ability). -This is likely a scum ability-
Enter the Box: Claimed by Tom.
Faustian Bargain: This is Az's ability. It literally means Deal with the Devil. Az is therefore literally the Devil. I find this vastly amusing. Hence why I keep saying Literally the Devil.
Grant Point: Citric's ability.
Multiple User Personality: I saw two of these. Eco and DoTa's abilities.
Observe: Anak claimed this.
Watch: This is the ability I was trying to avoid claiming. At first, I believed it was from a Watcher, but one of my Mimic's makes me wonder if it's something Time related.
Citric: Would you consider your ability manipulative or special?
Deal.
That *should* resolve the Tomsloger situation for us.
I think Azreal is doing his own thing. IDK I sorta want to kill him still but I won't.
I think Ghosting is the best lynch for the day what say everyone else on this?
Are you CCing him with regards to bringing me in the game?
(Just a reminder that I'll be gone this weekend. I'll try to post on Saturday or Sunday but no promises.)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No,
But even if you are town I don't think that means anything on his alignment.
Your are going to have to quote that, but I think that was about the Iso vote?
Cause I did vote Iso. I didn't "Bring him into the game"
Lets go people.
Oh also I can distort peoples abilities. I have some amount of charges and I basically Inverse their ability.
So if anyone thinks that Inverseing their ability would be good let me know.
@Azrael: I would like to request you to PBPA Bur. Everyone else is various shades of town in my book. I will go over this probably in another post.
DoTArchon
Gentleman Johnny
Nachomamma8
Necarg
tomsloger
HookerPunch
Taredas
Anaklusmos
CitricBase
Iso
D_V
Huntzilla
Bur
Ghosting
killjoy
RobRoy slot
7hawk77
iamabusinessman
leukovirus
TappingStones
hansanator
Ecophagy
Azrael
10 players alive. Six players to PoE, and I believe we're looking at one or two more mafia members here.
Let's break out the PBPAs and ignore mechanics!
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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@Proph: Wait, wut? Didn't Eco flip Neutral?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I wish he was able to explain it, but its just a terrible scum play to commit to town clearing someone forever without being able to gain any credit for it.
goodevil. But ghosting is far too logical for that.Sorry guys LSAT soon so I'm kinda busy on that. Even though as long as I don't get below 170 I'll be happy at this point because increasing my score past that has been boring and tedious.
Hmm.
Probably, that's what we should do any ways, if someone else would like to trade me. We can't lose instantly that way unless there are 4.
Maybe I should check if I even count as a player again though. Later.
Oh. Right.
So we are actually at 11 players alive, and the so-called lylo is fake? No, derp. There must be 3 mafia players still alive, plus the 2 votes from Tomsloger counting towards lylo, for us to be in lylo.
Mislynch would put us at 8, 5 v 3.
So if DV kills off Tom, we aren't even in lylo after a mislynch today, I believe, and I don't need to go out of my way to save the town. Cool.
Plus if DVs weird shot gets me and leaves the extra vote, we're in real trouble.
You got mod confirmation that were in lylo though? That's the real story here
Im obviously not sure on this, but like if I'm lynched we both die. If I'm killed just the other person does.
RFG is not mentioned.
Also generally PTAP.
I think I might've found an explanation for the lack of nightkills from Mind Screw Mafia 4...
@Anak: Would you mind giving my your T/S list, please?
Hmm. That mechanic would explain a great deal, Bur.
Tom, I thought the scum controlled both your votes, so maybe that's not quite so urgent.
I mean, I've almost been killed by friendly fire twice, and dv's gone out of his way to screw with me, even though I'm clearly not an unlynchable and hard to be killed mafioso and have done nothing except give the town helpful abilities all game, but sure, maybe some MORE factually baseless paranoia regarding my role is called for?
Who are you referring to? I only remember Hunt on the top of my head...