this is an outlier from chaos, but its still not lawful.
is it ambiguous? my current role pm plays up the capitalism a lot, which it seems to think is evil.
like its written from the perspective of a communist.
This could be true, being a witch, especially in the context of my character, would definitely point to chaotic evil (maybe neutral?) For my character.
Usually it isn't as easily written off as this when flavor gaming. Doubly so when thinking about Mind Screw. Not a bad place to search though, nicely done Tom.
oh are we doing that thing where we compliment one another on playing well?
youre doing great too huntz.
check mark next to chaos
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My character is incredibly against the idea of communism, and has harmed people who support it, so I'm going to go with Chaotic Good? My character very clearly has good intentions, but doesn't appear to have any issue harming those he doesn't agree with.
@Azrael: Thanks for the reply, would I be able to get an ability that lets me use my abilities as many times as I'd like? Not sure what kind of a reach I have with this, so I'll list a few others:
Can't die (for a night? day and night?)
Reveal alignment of a player (or players )
Be able to create a quicktopic with a player.
Get the name of the entire scum team and all town-opposed neutrals.
I hate comies because they hate fun, so I hate them.
This makes me think that the communists are scum/town-opposed neutrals (is there a different phrase for this that I'm just forgetting? "Town-opposed neutrals" sounds so awkward, lol). My flavour seems to imply this; I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has flavour that suggests otherwise.
I'm not sure I want to tell my info because it gives away one of our unclaimed prs, assuming that ability does what I think it does.
I'm not sure I understand correctly. If you don't want to give away one of town's unclaimed PRs, why would you say it's you? I understand that doesn't give scum the info on the role itself, and that other role information that makes you a target has been revealed, but aren't you hiding this PR you mentioned because you don't want to make yourself a target? Claiming it, regardless of whether or not scum knows what it is, makes you more of a target.
More confused than anything, just stuck out as odd to me.
I hate comies because they hate fun, so I hate them.
This makes me think that the communists are scum/town-opposed neutrals (is there a different phrase for this that I'm just forgetting? "Town-opposed neutrals" sounds so awkward, lol). My flavour seems to imply this; I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has flavour that suggests otherwise.
Remember we need to kill mao to reveal the rules.
So yeah.
@Azrael: Thanks for the reply, would I be able to get an ability that lets me use my abilities as many times as I'd like? Not sure what kind of a reach I have with this, so I'll list a few others:
Can't die (for a night? day and night?)
Reveal alignment of a player (or players )
Be able to create a quicktopic with a player.
Get the name of the entire scum team and all town-opposed neutrals.
What about a censor type ability? THat would be sweet.
@Azrael: Thanks for the reply, would I be able to get an ability that lets me use my abilities as many times as I'd like? Not sure what kind of a reach I have with this, so I'll list a few others:
Can't die (for a night? day and night?)
Reveal alignment of a player (or players )
Be able to create a quicktopic with a player.
Get the name of the entire scum team and all town-opposed neutrals.
I'm sure I could ask for balanced versions of abilities that prevent your death temporarily, create a quick-topic, or reveal alignment. The question is, what will the mod consider a balanced version of said abilities.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My role PM mentions says something along the lines of "target has shown signs of ignorance towards the glorious gospel of communism".
And my character seems neutral good. If I really squint my eyes, I could see her as chaotic good...
@Ghostling: Just checking, but your role literally confirms Iso and HP as town? (And by this I mean that it reads on your PM that "Iso and HP are town")
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@Ghostling: Just checking, but your role literally confirms Iso and HP as town? (And by this I mean that it reads on your PM that "Iso and HP are town")
Yes, but I don't want to expand upon that too much in order to avoid giving away much more about my role.
Sorry all, crazy week, and had to devote any attention I could to another game in progress for obvious time related reasons.
My PM indicates that I am chaotic as well, for what that's worth.
It seems like that is a clever and maybe somewhat indicative of alignment thing, but I wouldn't trust it. Besides trying to get away with flavor gaming in Mind Screw seems difficult.
I'm not sure I want to tell my info because it gives away one of our unclaimed prs, assuming that ability does what I think it does.
I'm not sure I understand correctly. If you don't want to give away one of town's unclaimed PRs, why would you say it's you? I understand that doesn't give scum the info on the role itself, and that other role information that makes you a target has been revealed, but aren't you hiding this PR you mentioned because you don't want to make yourself a target? Claiming it, regardless of whether or not scum knows what it is, makes you more of a target.
More confused than anything, just stuck out as odd to me.
If I was trying not to be a target, I wouldn't have claimed anything. I'm not sure where you got that I was trying not be be a target.
Hey, what are the initials of the ability you used that will confirm HP and Iso. I want to confirm that you did something.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well he's not in the mason team with GJ and HP (GJ would have said something about someone else being in there at least, if not name him) so HP and you are not confirmed from that. But he's saying some aspect of his role is confirming you. Ability is the next most likely.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
also did ghosting just quintuple post and not actually say anything?
i think its ghostingy rather than scummy, but still. come on man.
I know I didn't say much, but I asked two questions of two different players with followup questions, and then provided my communist/capitalist hypothesis (although as you pointed out I just missed that, lol). Yesterday was my last day of finals so I'm actually able to participate more now that I have a couple of weeks before school's back. But I certainly agree my activity and participation levels have been less than ideal, and every time I log in I feel bad that I've done very little to help out lately. :/
@Azrael: If you're the devil, and you're suggesting you can take Tare's place, I'm sure you can understand the potential concern. Obviously, the devil (at least as far as flavour goes) is someone who would convince you to do something bad for the benefit of himself. Can you explain how this wouldn't be the case? Are you aware of any downsides to having Tare as a mod? Also, can you ask the mod for a cop ability? Or anything related to figuring out alignments.
@Bur: Did you choose the word target as a replacement for another word, or is that the word that was used? It might be a stupid thing to ask, but it's (potentially) useful information.
Well he's not in the mason team with GJ and HP (GJ would have said something about someone else being in there at least, if not name him) so HP and you are not confirmed from that. But he's saying some aspect of his role is confirming you. Ability is the next most likely.
Odd you'd come to that conclusion, as theforst thing that came to my mind was that his role PM literally says "these two characters are town".
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Ghostling: No, my flavour didn't use word target. It's a replacement word.
Okay, sweet. Your flavour makes me think you're town or at least town-aligned neutral.
I had actually thought you were scummy towards the beginning of the game, but lately (as of the last maybe ~500 posts, so that might actually not qualify as "lately", but whatever lol) your play has suggested otherwise to me. The flavour aligning with that view makes me feel pretty comfortable that you're not scum.
Are you ssaying someone takes Tare's place when he dies?
What happens if Tare dies is another of the things I'm not really supposed to comment on, but I do enjoy the flavor of this ice cream I'm eating right this moment a great deal. Not much substance to it, kinda frothy, but tons of flavor!
[quote from="Killjoy »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/670841-mind-screw-salvation-mafia-day-4-the-mystery-of?comment=1887"]Well he's not in the mason team with GJ and HP (GJ would have said something about someone else being in there at least, if not name him) so HP and you are not confirmed from that. But he's saying some aspect of his role is confirming you. Ability is the next most likely.
Hard when I didn't have a role until yesterday and that wouldn't have happened if GJ hadn't suicided anyway.
im actually gonna read some mafia today instead of drafting timespiral on modo. this game in particular seems like it has cooler mechanics than suspend
Yeah, you guys should probably just drop the flavor gaming and play a game of mafia.
I have heard about this thing people used to do, where they looked for scum by using behavioral tells? Does anybody know someone who has tried that technique before? Does it work and stuff?
is it ambiguous? my current role pm plays up the capitalism a lot, which it seems to think is evil.
like its written from the perspective of a communist. oh are we doing that thing where we compliment one another on playing well?
youre doing great too huntz.
check mark next to chaos noted.
i dig that we're all more or less familiar with the dnd alignment system. makes this question so much easier.
if you arent, this is the best chart
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I hate comies because they hate fun, so I hate them.
Or how taredas is on our side?
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How much scum r u?
I'm the F___ witch, sort of.
I think I'd be fine lynching Tar though. He's prob a good neutral in this game but like I dunno.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
So I was about to be like, HP, why would you want to lynch a good neutral, that's so scummy, but then I realised I know you're town, lol.
But the question still remains, if you do think he's probably a good neutral, why are you fine with lynching him?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Are you able to provide an explanation for the inverse?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
This makes me think that the communists are scum/town-opposed neutrals (is there a different phrase for this that I'm just forgetting? "Town-opposed neutrals" sounds so awkward, lol). My flavour seems to imply this; I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has flavour that suggests otherwise.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm not sure I understand correctly. If you don't want to give away one of town's unclaimed PRs, why would you say it's you? I understand that doesn't give scum the info on the role itself, and that other role information that makes you a target has been revealed, but aren't you hiding this PR you mentioned because you don't want to make yourself a target? Claiming it, regardless of whether or not scum knows what it is, makes you more of a target.
More confused than anything, just stuck out as odd to me.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Remember we need to kill mao to reveal the rules.
So yeah.
Totally missed this, but my role PM makes a lot more sense now, lol.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Be_______
Old female style name
What about a censor type ability? THat would be sweet.
Did you read the whole Tom explanation of how Good=Bad?
I think you missed a few posts
I'm sure I could ask for balanced versions of abilities that prevent your death temporarily, create a quick-topic, or reveal alignment. The question is, what will the mod consider a balanced version of said abilities.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"Technically" he means IRL people.
seriously. did you miss some posts? i already knew this.
And my character seems neutral good. If I really squint my eyes, I could see her as chaotic good...
@Ghostling: Just checking, but your role literally confirms Iso and HP as town? (And by this I mean that it reads on your PM that "Iso and HP are town")
Actually yeah just rechecked my role card and read the whole thing and I'm the definition of order based on flavor
Can you share some more of your flavor before I totally give up on this line of thinking?
Shh, that's still a secret to some people.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's going to happen anyway at some point probably and I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a good neutral.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Yes, but I don't want to expand upon that too much in order to avoid giving away much more about my role.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
My PM indicates that I am chaotic as well, for what that's worth.
It seems like that is a clever and maybe somewhat indicative of alignment thing, but I wouldn't trust it. Besides trying to get away with flavor gaming in Mind Screw seems difficult.
I don't understand what you mean here? Where did this come from?
If I was trying not to be a target, I wouldn't have claimed anything. I'm not sure where you got that I was trying not be be a target.
Hey, what are the initials of the ability you used that will confirm HP and Iso. I want to confirm that you did something.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ponies.
Ponies for everyone.
i should reread kj.
also did ghosting just quintuple post and not actually say anything?
i think its ghostingy rather than scummy, but still. come on man.
I know I didn't say much, but I asked two questions of two different players with followup questions, and then provided my communist/capitalist hypothesis (although as you pointed out I just missed that, lol). Yesterday was my last day of finals so I'm actually able to participate more now that I have a couple of weeks before school's back. But I certainly agree my activity and participation levels have been less than ideal, and every time I log in I feel bad that I've done very little to help out lately. :/
@Azrael: If you're the devil, and you're suggesting you can take Tare's place, I'm sure you can understand the potential concern. Obviously, the devil (at least as far as flavour goes) is someone who would convince you to do something bad for the benefit of himself. Can you explain how this wouldn't be the case? Are you aware of any downsides to having Tare as a mod? Also, can you ask the mod for a cop ability? Or anything related to figuring out alignments.
@Bur: Did you choose the word target as a replacement for another word, or is that the word that was used? It might be a stupid thing to ask, but it's (potentially) useful information.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Are you implying anyone can be mod?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Odd you'd come to that conclusion, as theforst thing that came to my mind was that his role PM literally says "these two characters are town".
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay, sweet. Your flavour makes me think you're town or at least town-aligned neutral.
I had actually thought you were scummy towards the beginning of the game, but lately (as of the last maybe ~500 posts, so that might actually not qualify as "lately", but whatever lol) your play has suggested otherwise to me. The flavour aligning with that view makes me feel pretty comfortable that you're not scum.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
What happens if Tare dies is another of the things I'm not really supposed to comment on, but I do enjoy the flavor of this ice cream I'm eating right this moment a great deal. Not much substance to it, kinda frothy, but tons of flavor!
Well that would be interesting.
10/10
I'm 9999% in on this plan.
Hard when I didn't have a role until yesterday and that wouldn't have happened if GJ hadn't suicided anyway.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
well, i guess i could be wrong about citric... but, like, i dont think i am.
I have heard about this thing people used to do, where they looked for scum by using behavioral tells? Does anybody know someone who has tried that technique before? Does it work and stuff?