As mentioned in the spec QT, if I ran this sort of setup again, I'd secretly randomize the number of drunks (to somewhere between 1 and 3). I definitely appreciate the need for uncertainty even with an open setup and how much that lack of uncertainty plays into why Dethy doesn't work.
Big props to GJ for fighting through what seemed like impossible odds and even reaching what seemed like a winning position. Ironically, "losing" DV to the deadline might have cost him the game, because it cost him a voice that might have swayed Megiddo's flip-a-coin thinking.
Yeah this game was really cool. I enjoyed it a lot. I need to read the whole game through instead of thinking I understood what was going on from a general feel IE read roll pms that are provided.
Whew. Glad I made the right choice. This was a tough endgame! I was seriously back and forth.
Xyre: Like I said in the PMs, I liked this setup. It was harder than I thought it would be; I underestimated the impact of the drunk trackers. Very fun.
Personal apologies for dragging the game out: We were going at a good pace but my personal life just made it so I couldn't keep up. I don't think this is a strike against micros! Just me!
@Dota: I'm not mad, but this is why people shouldn't threaten to self-hammer as town (and definitely shouldn't actually do it!). I voted you to hold you accountable and it put us in this spot. This is my fault; I apologize to the team for putting us in the situation where we lynched obvtown instead of probable scum... Given that my vote on Dota was the reason that lynch happened, I feel like I should take responsibility.
Thanks for not lynching me Day 1!
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First of all, thanks to Xyre for creating and hosting the game. I agree with you about the number of drunks being random, but still it was a fascinating setup to play and attempt to break.
GJ, that was well played on your part. You saw a crack on Day 3, and used that to leverage yourself to a winning position. When you went back and claimed that I was lying, I figured I had two courses of action. Either, attempt to explain how what I did made sense as town, or explain to everyone that I was town who just was playing poorly. The second option seemed more feasible, so that was the one that I went with. Even as I posted that GJ lied, I thought to myself, wow that was really wimpy of me, and you hammered that home. Good job man, though, next time I won't make such a critical mistake
DV once it appeared that you had flipped over to me as the last scum, I realized that the one way that we really could win the game was if we no-lynched D3. That way, I would only have to get Megs to vote for GJ, since you would have been another voice against me. So I made no effort to stop the no-lynch, I do feel bad that you had to die, but it was the only path to success I could see at that point.
Megs, that was a heck of a finish there. I have to ask, was it really a coin flip or was there one final thing that made your decision? Well done on your part.
That was a fun one all, can't wait to get in the next game!
It made more sense to me that Bur would lob his softballs and over-force interaction with his scumbuddy than completely and totally ignore them. I actually did an interaction chart that I never posted...
So there's this baseline of interaction here among the townies {me, dota, rand} and d_v (prospective townie). Most of Bur's interactions were around the tracking reasoning thing, which made sense.
The two outliers were... me and TCM. Almost half of the |s were Bur's responses to my case/attacks on him. This put me more in line with the baseline of townies. Which left TCM... there were a lot of seemingly-random questions lobbed TCM's way. Bur was really interested in TCM's opinion of things during D1 for no reason I could discern.
This wasn't a 100% slam dunk because Bur just never interacted with Anak outside of the tracking reasoning. Everybody else had something. I want to note that the general theory behind these charts is that scum don't interact as much with their buddies. But after thinking hard about it it made sense to me because, Anak, you just... didn't do that much outside of setup spec on D1. So we have:
Town Anak/ Scum TCM: Bur ignores the townie who isn't doing anything because he doesn't want to stick his neck out, and spends lots of time talking with his buddy (a "safe" interaction).
Scum Anak/ Town TCM: Bur ignores his buddy completely, and buddies up hard to TCM.
Both scenarios are possible but I saw scenario one as more likely.
@Dota: I'm not mad, but this is why people shouldn't threaten to self-hammer as town (and definitely shouldn't actually do it!). I voted you to hold you accountable and it put us in this spot. This is my fault; I apologize to the team for putting us in the situation where we lynched obvtown instead of probable scum... Given that my vote on Dota was the reason that lynch happened, I feel like I should take responsibility.
Technically it was D_V's vote that caused the lynch(self-hammer) In all seriousness, I was so convinced that Anak was scum I thought the only way to prove it was to take myself out so that I was no longer on the table as possible scum. Thank goodness no one paid attention to my crackpot conspiracy theory
As I said in the spec chat, I'm actually glad I got out when I did. If that day had somehow ended with an Anak lynch instead there is no way I could compete with GJ in Lylo.
@GJ I honestly thought you had me dead with the way you were pushing me D3. I went from thinking, "Found him! Game is in the bag!" to "No, nononononononono" very very fast, due to the way you were questioning and pushing me. After re-reading through the game I even thought that I would lynch me in the situation.
I think this game was a great example of how fast paced this type of game will be compared to others. Lurking is going to be considered deadly, which makes this likely my new favorite type of game. I also was quite happy with the naturally shorter deadlines and will likely be using similar (if not, the same) ones in my own micro.
but...
GG to all. I hope I picked correctly but if not, good job to the scum.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Town wins! After really making us sweat it out. And also proving that this site is probably not ready for super-fast games. : \
Spec QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Hgz8kddyCnP
Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/2npvrKfMuB3H
As mentioned in the spec QT, if I ran this sort of setup again, I'd secretly randomize the number of drunks (to somewhere between 1 and 3). I definitely appreciate the need for uncertainty even with an open setup and how much that lack of uncertainty plays into why Dethy doesn't work.
Big props to GJ for fighting through what seemed like impossible odds and even reaching what seemed like a winning position. Ironically, "losing" DV to the deadline might have cost him the game, because it cost him a voice that might have swayed Megiddo's flip-a-coin thinking.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
And thanks Xyre for hosting, will definitely sign up again for your next game!
And also good job GJ. You're awesome at playing lylo as scum.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Xyre: Like I said in the PMs, I liked this setup. It was harder than I thought it would be; I underestimated the impact of the drunk trackers. Very fun.
Personal apologies for dragging the game out: We were going at a good pace but my personal life just made it so I couldn't keep up. I don't think this is a strike against micros! Just me!
@Dota: I'm not mad, but this is why people shouldn't threaten to self-hammer as town (and definitely shouldn't actually do it!). I voted you to hold you accountable and it put us in this spot. This is my fault; I apologize to the team for putting us in the situation where we lynched obvtown instead of probable scum... Given that my vote on Dota was the reason that lynch happened, I feel like I should take responsibility.
Thanks for not lynching me Day 1!
First of all, thanks to Xyre for creating and hosting the game. I agree with you about the number of drunks being random, but still it was a fascinating setup to play and attempt to break.
GJ, that was well played on your part. You saw a crack on Day 3, and used that to leverage yourself to a winning position. When you went back and claimed that I was lying, I figured I had two courses of action. Either, attempt to explain how what I did made sense as town, or explain to everyone that I was town who just was playing poorly. The second option seemed more feasible, so that was the one that I went with. Even as I posted that GJ lied, I thought to myself, wow that was really wimpy of me, and you hammered that home. Good job man, though, next time I won't make such a critical mistake
DV once it appeared that you had flipped over to me as the last scum, I realized that the one way that we really could win the game was if we no-lynched D3. That way, I would only have to get Megs to vote for GJ, since you would have been another voice against me. So I made no effort to stop the no-lynch, I do feel bad that you had to die, but it was the only path to success I could see at that point.
Megs, that was a heck of a finish there. I have to ask, was it really a coin flip or was there one final thing that made your decision? Well done on your part.
That was a fun one all, can't wait to get in the next game!
It made more sense to me that Bur would lob his softballs and over-force interaction with his scumbuddy than completely and totally ignore them. I actually did an interaction chart that I never posted...
I did this when DV was still alive
So there's this baseline of interaction here among the townies {me, dota, rand} and d_v (prospective townie). Most of Bur's interactions were around the tracking reasoning thing, which made sense.
The two outliers were... me and TCM. Almost half of the |s were Bur's responses to my case/attacks on him. This put me more in line with the baseline of townies. Which left TCM... there were a lot of seemingly-random questions lobbed TCM's way. Bur was really interested in TCM's opinion of things during D1 for no reason I could discern.
This wasn't a 100% slam dunk because Bur just never interacted with Anak outside of the tracking reasoning. Everybody else had something. I want to note that the general theory behind these charts is that scum don't interact as much with their buddies. But after thinking hard about it it made sense to me because, Anak, you just... didn't do that much outside of setup spec on D1. So we have:
Town Anak/ Scum TCM: Bur ignores the townie who isn't doing anything because he doesn't want to stick his neck out, and spends lots of time talking with his buddy (a "safe" interaction).
Scum Anak/ Town TCM: Bur ignores his buddy completely, and buddies up hard to TCM.
Both scenarios are possible but I saw scenario one as more likely.
As I said in the spec chat, I'm actually glad I got out when I did. If that day had somehow ended with an Anak lynch instead there is no way I could compete with GJ in Lylo.
Just kidding #nosalt. I tried to be overly buddy, considering my meta is to stone cold bus.
The real lesson is to not leave megs alone. I should have known better than anyone :x
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching: