1) Atogaholic
Ignores that RVS is over.
2) Iso
His semi-claim opening is concerning. The game just starts and he already wants to control Night actions. But town!Iso does that too, so not alignment-telling.
I liked his initial Tom vote, but looking back, it might be opportunistic. His follow-up is tunneling and that’s not Iso’s style.
I agree with his scumread on Chris though.
He lays a trap for Tom with his ‘why is Chris town’ question, and continues pushing him as scum even when he doesn’t fall for it. I’m convincing myself more and more that this is not town!Iso. Town!Iso would’ve backed off and looked elsewhere.
Then again, his frustration in #119 feels genuine.
3) Voxxicus
He locks himself into a claim in his first post, which probably means he’s town.
4) tomsloger
Early scumread because of the way he mentioned the double voter, but his more recent posting looks like what I’m used from him. And mentioning the scumchat would be too ballsy for him to be scum. Probably town.
5) Cyan
I understand his initial voting rationale, and his tunneling is normal for him. Feels town.
6) Tordeck
Naked vote on Cyan looks bad.
No follow-up in his next post, which also isn’t a helpful post.
The next post would be better if the FOS on Iso was a vote on Iso. Looks more like warning a buddy for bad play than anything else. (#115)
#136 is awful, awful reasoning. As town he would see those players as assets to the town if they are town rather than wanting to lynch them asap because they are dangerous as scum.
7) hansanator
8) TappingStones
#162 is pretty empty. Any scumreads?
9) Seppel
I think he is what claimed. I know firsthand that he does vote with scum in endgame as survivor, so we have to be careful with him. (thanks for that though Seppel. I still think that was one of the most fun endings ever )
10) Vaimes
Opening post (#82): he says he has a huge towncrush on Cyan and votes me for it, but Cyan had just switched to Iso. In the same breath, Vaimes calls Iso town while disagreeing on his Tom scumread. All very weird.
His posts seem to have a lot of words without much content. Like #89: he doesn’t give reads. He only weakens Cyan’s views.
11) Plowshares
Scum. That vote on me was all kinds of opportunistic. And then he goes all technical.
12) NotVoxxicus
I like #64 a lot. It reflects my thoughts. Probably town.
13) MzztrTetris
Not sure if it’s alignment-telling for Tetris, but the first line of #60 feels a little over-explanatory.
The way he prepares for voting me is a bit awkward. And then his vote in #78 is a weak barn.
I think I get now that Cyan is upset that I focus on Plowshares. Tetris is probably scum too.
14) 7hawk77
15) Sir Chris
I’m getting scumvibes from Chris. His opening post is bad. And his second is worse. There’s no need in stating the obvious. He doesn’t improve his posting for a long time.
The way he compliments Tordeck in #147 gives me shivers.
#there’s a contradiction in #149-#150, where he first tells Iso that Iso won’t make the same mistake twice as scum and then tells him he’s doing what he did before and thus is scum. Looks like Chris throws all sorts of mud to Iso.
I see many people calling him town. Can someone explain me why?
16) Nachomamma8
Weak Iso vote, but explains lack of time.
#125 is a great post. Probably town.
17) prowlingpengolin
Gives off all signs of scum in his opening post: white knighting Tom, having good reasons to vote me but vote Chris instead. I would not be surprised if that vote on Chris is a buddy vote.
His turn-around on tom after that is strange.
The way he points out the scumchat ‘slip’ is opportunistic.
18) Jobie
19) CitricBase
RVS feels genuine. #21 can be concerning: reminds me of myself as scum when I’m interested in a town vs town opportunity. He doesn’t go into it though, so probably nothing.
#143 is ok, although I disagree.
That makes:
Neutral Survivor
Seppel
Town
Cyan / Voxx / notVoxx / Nacho
Lean town
Tom / Citric
Null
Atog / Hans / Hawk / Jobie
Lean scum
Iso / Chris / Pengolin / Vaimes / TS / Tordeck
Scum
Plowshares / Tetris
The null group needs to post.
I'm gonna try to get better reads on the lean scum group. Too many in there.
I think Iso and Chris aren't scum together though. Pengolin looks worse than all others in that list.
@Anyone who thinks Chris is town: can you explain me why?
@TappingStones: give me some reads please.
Rhand please tell me you know the difference between playing in a very similar manner and underlying tendencies, in regards to 149/150. Because what I was saying in 149 should be obvious and it doesn't contradict 150 at all.
My opening post was awesome, which is the opposite of bad.
I find your scum and town leans strange, how you can find Tom to be townish but think Tordeck is scummy when he defended him like he did is just strange. It seems like you aren't connecting the game properly at all and are just squinting looking for things. The fact you can get... 8 lean scum + in a game with 19 not you players is pretty absurd and try hard.
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" Like you are a very good player, and very good players who can be caught out like that twice don't exist."
"In fact, if you want to discuss meta, the fact you are over reacting to me is...in fact, very in line with vanillaville and how I caught you."
That looks like a contradiction to me? You tell him that he's good and won't get caught in the same way twice and then you "catch" him on something he did that game?
Tordeck didn't do anything else than defending tom, which looks like a scum white knighting move.
I fully realise I have too many lean scums. I said that. I want to get better reads on that grouping.
"like that" in sentence one was referring to how brutally obvious Iso was in his example scum game.
# 2 was not, by the way, why I had problems with him I was pointing out that using the metrics that HE HIMSELF SPECIFIED, he looks bad. It is called turning someone's own argument against them. Basically I was telling Iso not only was his defense of himself poor, but even if I conceded the premise it still works against him.
I've noticed in my time playing here that people often do not correctly parse my words and it leads to misunderstandings. I don't know if this is a misunderstanding or if you are trying to be sinister, but either way 'come on.'
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1) Atogaholic
Ignores that RVS is over.
2) Iso
His semi-claim opening is concerning. The game just starts and he already wants to control Night actions. But town!Iso does that too, so not alignment-telling.
I liked his initial Tom vote, but looking back, it might be opportunistic. His follow-up is tunneling and that’s not Iso’s style.
I agree with his scumread on Chris though.
He lays a trap for Tom with his ‘why is Chris town’ question, and continues pushing him as scum even when he doesn’t fall for it. I’m convincing myself more and more that this is not town!Iso. Town!Iso would’ve backed off and looked elsewhere.
Then again, his frustration in #119 feels genuine.
3) Voxxicus
He locks himself into a claim in his first post, which probably means he’s town.
4) tomsloger
Early scumread because of the way he mentioned the double voter, but his more recent posting looks like what I’m used from him. And mentioning the scumchat would be too ballsy for him to be scum. Probably town.
5) Cyan
I understand his initial voting rationale, and his tunneling is normal for him. Feels town.
6) Tordeck
Naked vote on Cyan looks bad.
No follow-up in his next post, which also isn’t a helpful post.
The next post would be better if the FOS on Iso was a vote on Iso. Looks more like warning a buddy for bad play than anything else. (#115)
#136 is awful, awful reasoning. As town he would see those players as assets to the town if they are town rather than wanting to lynch them asap because they are dangerous as scum.
7) hansanator
8) TappingStones
#162 is pretty empty. Any scumreads?
9) Seppel
I think he is what claimed. I know firsthand that he does vote with scum in endgame as survivor, so we have to be careful with him. (thanks for that though Seppel. I still think that was one of the most fun endings ever )
10) Vaimes
Opening post (#82): he says he has a huge towncrush on Cyan and votes me for it, but Cyan had just switched to Iso. In the same breath, Vaimes calls Iso town while disagreeing on his Tom scumread. All very weird.
His posts seem to have a lot of words without much content. Like #89: he doesn’t give reads. He only weakens Cyan’s views.
11) Plowshares
Scum. That vote on me was all kinds of opportunistic. And then he goes all technical.
12) NotVoxxicus
I like #64 a lot. It reflects my thoughts. Probably town.
13) MzztrTetris
Not sure if it’s alignment-telling for Tetris, but the first line of #60 feels a little over-explanatory.
The way he prepares for voting me is a bit awkward. And then his vote in #78 is a weak barn.
I think I get now that Cyan is upset that I focus on Plowshares. Tetris is probably scum too.
14) 7hawk77
15) Sir Chris
I’m getting scumvibes from Chris. His opening post is bad. And his second is worse. There’s no need in stating the obvious. He doesn’t improve his posting for a long time.
The way he compliments Tordeck in #147 gives me shivers.
#there’s a contradiction in #149-#150, where he first tells Iso that Iso won’t make the same mistake twice as scum and then tells him he’s doing what he did before and thus is scum. Looks like Chris throws all sorts of mud to Iso.
I see many people calling him town. Can someone explain me why?
16) Nachomamma8
Weak Iso vote, but explains lack of time.
#125 is a great post. Probably town.
17) prowlingpengolin
Gives off all signs of scum in his opening post: white knighting Tom, having good reasons to vote me but vote Chris instead. I would not be surprised if that vote on Chris is a buddy vote.
His turn-around on tom after that is strange.
The way he points out the scumchat ‘slip’ is opportunistic.
18) Jobie
19) CitricBase
RVS feels genuine. #21 can be concerning: reminds me of myself as scum when I’m interested in a town vs town opportunity. He doesn’t go into it though, so probably nothing.
#143 is ok, although I disagree.
That makes:
Neutral Survivor
Seppel
Town
Cyan / Voxx / notVoxx / Nacho
Lean town
Tom / Citric
Null
Atog / Hans / Hawk / Jobie
Lean scum
Iso / Chris / Pengolin / Vaimes / TS / Tordeck
Scum
Plowshares / Tetris
The null group needs to post.
I'm gonna try to get better reads on the lean scum group. Too many in there.
I think Iso and Chris aren't scum together though. Pengolin looks worse than all others in that list.
@Anyone who thinks Chris is town: can you explain me why?
@TappingStones: give me some reads please.
I'll get active tomorrow afternoon(my time-I live in China).
You know by now that I have troubles understanding your posts Chris. I am not native English and you use difficult language in large posts. It lead to misunderstandings in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
Unless you manage to simplify your language, but I guess that's not doable as writing like that comes naturally for you.
I was expecting to be sheeped off of the sheer force of the overwhelming towniness that I exude from my pores in every waking moment of my existence, and I also expected people to analyze tom's posts.
Since it looks like I'm going to have to single-handedly drag this game pissing and screaming across the finish line again, you all can expect a dreadnought after work, and boy, do I have a lot to say.
I'd make it at work today, but I'm having a performance review after a month as a contractor, to discuss the potential of me becoming permanent in February. Wish me luck!
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You know by now that I have troubles understanding your posts Chris. I am not native English and you use difficult language in large posts. It lead to misunderstandings in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
Unless you manage to simplify your language, but I guess that's not doable as writing like that comes naturally for you.
Well... if you are town it'd help if you just asked me to clarify instead of going "CONTRADICTION LOL" I know I can be wordy, I don't mind explaining myself and rephrasing stuff as I am aware I have weird thoughts sometimes.
I was expecting to be sheeped off of the sheer force of the overwhelming towniness that I exude from my pores in every waking moment of my existence, and I also expected people to analyze tom's posts.
This just feels like you are doubling down on a persona. Like can you speak to us like we are human? I can't speak for anyone else but you know what? I'm really good at the game of mafia. I have done good work as town this year in multiple games and I do not deserve, nor will I be, talked down to by anyone no matter how good they think they are. Drop the act or I am shoving you into a wall repeatedly on the assumption that you've bumped your head. Make your points, Iso. Make them without the utterly USELESS and even if you are town ANTI-TOWN theatrics.
Also you know what? I've read over Tom's posts. There's nothing bad there. He says goofy things but from my experience with him, which is his every waking moment in mafia so far pretty much, he is prone to do that. Maybe he'll do it as scum too, but it's certainly not an issue of alignment.
I greatly look forward to this big post of yours, if nothing else it should be interesting. And good luck on your review today.
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When i think I see a contradiction, i point out the contradiction
Feel free to correct me, but I'm not going to ask clarification about posts that I think I understood
It's a very good scum approach if they do something that garners a lot of attention and could possibly end up killing them?
You can't mislynch anyone if you're dead.
You assume a Scum!Iso believed this was going to be his downfall when he started this adventure. Can you explain why you think this is a reasonable thought to have? Iso votes Tom, a new player who he knows makes a fool of himself, and goes from there. Also Iso made the counter point to this himself: he played as scum trying not to be 'hulk smash' recently and he was skewered for it. A scum Iso should have no expectation to survive this game unless he tries desperately to replicate his town game. This isn't looking for a black hat in a sea of white, Vaimes, it is comparing two very close shades of grey and seeing it if adds up. Did you read Vanillaville? It didn't end well for Scum Iso day one. I am trying to determine if this is the true town Iso vigor or if he is trying to fake such vigor and survive. I don't see what other avenue he has as scum this game. Do you believe a scum Iso would try to fade into the background with this player list? I don't feel as if you have thought this through very well Vaimes, or are you completely unfamiliar with Iso?
This is a better way to phrase my Iso point earlier:
I would expect Iso to try to replicate his town tone as scum when he hasn't found success as passiveIso. I know Iso knows that he wouldn't be able to live very long in this playerlist if he played the same way he did in Vanilla ville. I don't think "hey, I have different tone here than I did there!" is a response Iso has as town; if he's town, he has confidence in his push, his push is what makes him town, not his "aggressiveness".
I do have a problem with your post though: are you scumreading Iso or just voting him for pressure? Your wording sounds a lot like the latter.
Nacho have you ever played D and D? Let's assume you have. When you roll a hit that is in the range of your critical strike you have to roll it again to 'confirm' the critical strike. That's where I am at with Iso right now.
Pressure vote into not liking Iso's responses. Does that make him scum? Trying to roll my dice as we speak.
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Gut reaction is I really hate voxxs opening, not because I think it makes him town or scum but because I think it will make decision making much more difficult.
Tom's opening was weird, still thinking about it.
Citric town reading cyan super quick felt off. Like unnecessary or forced.
@Tom - Seppel being an enigma is what makes him so good. He is damn near unreadable most times. One never knows what his alignment is. That can be very dangerous. I don't like dangerous and often will vote for his lynch on that principle alone. Same goes for Cyan, Iso and Chris in my experiances with them. Remember this is not my first foray into mafia, I played a lot of games with the first three in that list before taking a couple year break from the site.
@Nacho - Iso to me hasnt done ***** that reads a town motivated. But I am stuck in my own head as to the why behind it. There is a lot of wine to sort through before I can fully be confident in my read of him. Hence why I orginally only FOSed him. Cyan is still the more dangerous player in my mind as the other three there are tells that I have seen in other games that I am confident I can catch. D1 I always go for the biggest threat as eliminating them, even if they flip town, makes the remainder of the game easier to handle.
@Rhand - I can see where after the only other experience you have playing with me why you would be leaning scum on me. Its a bad read but I can see why.
It's not the fact you're voting me, it's how you set up the vote. That post where you announced that the vote would come after my answer but then tacked on that you didn't really care for my answer should've had a vote.
In the post where you do vote, you don't even adress me anymore. You just barn Cyan.
@Nacho - Iso to me hasnt done ***** that reads a town motivated. But I am stuck in my own head as to the why behind it. There is a lot of wine to sort through before I can fully be confident in my read of him. Hence why I orginally only FOSed him. Cyan is still the more dangerous player in my mind as the other three there are tells that I have seen in other games that I am confident I can catch. D1 I always go for the biggest threat as eliminating them, even if they flip town, makes the remainder of the game easier to handle.
Maybe you can explain this in a way that doesn't just sound like 'I just try to kill players that I'm intimidated by, regardless of their alignment'?
17) prowlingpengolin
Gives off all signs of scum in his opening post: white knighting Tom, having good reasons to vote me but vote Chris instead. I would not be surprised if that vote on Chris is a buddy vote.
His turn-around on tom after that is strange.
ok, his opening post was hello. so im going to assume you mean the next one.
white knighting me? im failing to see that. he questions what the hell im doing and doesnt even talk about my alignment.
he looks the worst to you and you, idk, didnt read the post?
maybe it is a buddy vote on chris. maybe youre his buddy and thats why he voted chris.
@tom: he was adressing your town meta, wasn't he? I read that as him saying that your way of posting was your town way of posting.
i guess thats possible, but its not how i read it.
if he was townreading me there it was kind of dumb. like, do yall think i wont be spammy and off the wall as scum? because thats not my "town meta" thats my personality. just fyi
a (short) reread of tordeck has given me some confidence in a scumread. all his reads are based on fear, and almost none of it stems from what happening in this game. read some posts and make a read that way. fear is too easy.
@tordeck please give me a read on someone that you arent scared of and isnt me.
Tezz last time I played with you, you were one of the worst mafia players on this site. Have you improved since then? :3c
I hope so. I was also in like, middle school, when I started playing.
I think it's interesting that Rhand's scumlist consists of the two people voting for him. Please explain why me voting for you makes me scum, because that's kinda just convincing me that my vote is in the right place.
Last night, I was under the impression that Iso was scum, but now that I'm rereading things, it certainly feels like his actions, for the most part, seem to be intentional, which is altogether confusing. I'm going to wait for his post about tom-not because I think tom might be scum-but I think it'll be helpful in understanding his alignment.
OMGUS is a null tell if the countervite coomes with reasoning.
I'm inclined to agree that he's probably town after our exchange - his rationale for disliking Rhand voting Plowshares reads well to me, just the initial post felt over-blown and fake.
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Hawk actually kind of feels townish to me based off his one post. The mindset it comes from is one based on needing to analyse and figure things out.
Rhand is. Probably town? There's definitely a difference in tone this game from Predator Mafia, but that could be attributed to him not being on a boat too, I guess, and actually being caught up on current state of game.
I think I'm inclined to take Seppel at face value. We either steamroll the scum and he's effectively a town asset, or we...don't and he has to be taken care of. Either way he's not a concern in the early game to me.
Back to work, I guess. Going to let the thread breathe a bit and see if the people not playing the game start playing the game.
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Funny how you like the Tordeck stuff when Cyan writes it and not let's say... me :/
Neener neener!
this is going to sound like sarcasm, but this is the exact feeling i got from reading that post.
like, shouldnt you just be happy we agree on something other than my towniness?
I'm rather unhappy that you did read my post but chose to comment only on things you didn't like, while apparently ignoring the rest of it.
oh sorry. i should have said it looks like busywork and you didnt really say anything of note other than the pengo thing, perfectly reasonable trepidation on chris being townread, and telling the lurkers to post.
i also see you blindly believe claims like everyone else on here seems to. i cant wait to fake claim when im finally scum.
I'm rather unhappy that you did read my post but chose to comment only on things you didn't like, while apparently ignoring the rest of it.
Come on I was just teasing you and having a little fun, that's still allowed.
I've misread as scum a bunch of times in the past, which I don't want to do. But at the same time, recently you were very obviously town to me, and I never waivered in that judgment. I'm not getting those same feelings here. But I'm trying to give you some leeway. I understand why you would go after Plowshares vote on you if you are town. But I also understand why you would do so if you were scum.
#10 Tom shows he read the rules and what not and is actually paying attention
#11 Rhand also noticed that too but decided to PM the mod instead of talk to the group? +scum
#12 Im fine with this line of thinking. I'm not sure if we have noobie players here but i'm definitely not famliar with everyones play in this game. + town
#14 Cyan votes rhand, probably had similar line of though + town
#17 Rhand votes tom and it's serious? I can't really see a good basis for this after catching the same thing that he saw.
#21 Citric noticed all this and thinks cyan is town which was my initial response based on #14, +town
#26 Rhand didn't want to open the topic of having a double voter? why would you not want to discuss it?
#28 Cyan rips in to rhand for #26
#29 Iso lightning rodding is interesting, there is too much WWIFOM to figure out what the hell he is trying to accomplish. Generally going along with Iso's stunts works out for the town, not sure how. (null)
#30 Rhand has a line where he says Cyan is accusing him of what Tom is doing. I don't like this because it feels like he is trying to pass the heat on to Tom and it feels like both of their approach was different.
#31 I think Tom makes a valid point here. Not really sure if this gives him scum or town credit but
#33 Iso votes tom. (I wonder if he has a meta read on him)
#35 Cyan tries to convince Iso to vote Rhand over Tom. Cyan definitely likes to be in the drivers seat regardless of alignment (null)
#38 Chris comes in to defend Tom and votes iso (I'm generally just confused)
#40 Chris seems like he's openly coaching tom? (Possibly scum together)
#50 Plowshares comes in and votes rhand, He also looked in to the list of names voting and notices an inconsistency.
#52 Tordeck votes cyan with no reasoning. I don't care about the actual vote, but it seems obvious that RVS is over. +scum
#59 Prowlingpenuin comes in with a quote wall breaking down the tom, cyan, rhand stuff and then quotes chris twice and votes him with open ended questions. (the quote wall break down is +town but I don't like open ended questions in to a vote, it's basically like hey incriminate yourself or could be easy questions for lobbing a softball for a scum teamate to show their towny mindset +scum)
#60 Tetris seems to have other stuff going on and asking to be spoon fed. (null)
#61 NotVox comes in strong, points out things he didn't like with Prowl and goes pretty deep with his overall analysis with prowl/rhand. Playfully messes with tetris which could either be seen as trying to get tetris to open up more so he can get a better read or openly coaching. I'm thinking the former +town
#67 Seppel claims neutral survivor. Not even remotely surprised /facepalm
#70 Alright Tom might actually be simple jack
#75 Nachomamma says he thinks rhands opening was fine (it wasn't) and barns cyan about iso being scum? (Pretty sure cyan was trying to convince Iso do vote rhand but now he thinks Iso is scum?) This seems like lazy scum. He did mention on lunch break so that explains laziness. +scum.
#78 Tetris actually takes what NotVox says to heart and votes rhand. This is interesting. (still null, I don't know enough about this person to judge, /shrug)
#79 Cyan unvotes and votes Iso saying how towny Nacho's #75 is. I feel like the sarcasm is strong.
#82 Vaimes comes in, thinks cyan is town, dislikes rhand, likes Iso and is confused by the last post.
#89 Vaimes is talking to cyan and doesn't understand why cyan seemed to
#92 NotVox does some more deep interpretation in to vaimes.
#94 Iso quotewall but mostly engages cyan
That's pretty much all of the notable stuff for the first two pages.
Overall I don't like rhand, prowling or nacho.
Null on Cyan, Iso and seppel.
I like plowshares, notvox and vaimes. Tom is derpy but probably town.
I'm rather unhappy that you did read my post but chose to comment only on things you didn't like, while apparently ignoring the rest of it.
oh sorry. i should have said it looks like busywork and you didnt really say anything of note other than the pengo thing, perfectly reasonable trepidation on chris being townread, and telling the lurkers to post.
i also see you blindly believe claims like everyone else on here seems to. i cant wait to fake claim when im finally scum.
i mean, we agree on tordeck but cyan just put it so much better than you.
i read yours and just passed over it and then i read cyan's and im like "yeah! good job RVS tom, you nailed it. tordeck is totally scum"
maybe if you say things more forcefully i'll like it better.
#10 Tom shows he read the rules and what not and is actually paying attention
#11 Rhand also noticed that too but decided to PM the mod instead of talk to the group? +scum
#12 Im fine with this line of thinking. I'm not sure if we have noobie players here but i'm definitely not famliar with everyones play in this game. + town
#14 Cyan votes rhand, probably had similar line of though + town
#17 Rhand votes tom and it's serious? I can't really see a good basis for this after catching the same thing that he saw.
#21 Citric noticed all this and thinks cyan is town which was my initial response based on #14, +town
#26 Rhand didn't want to open the topic of having a double voter? why would you not want to discuss it?
#28 Cyan rips in to rhand for #26
#29 Iso lightning rodding is interesting, there is too much WWIFOM to figure out what the hell he is trying to accomplish. Generally going along with Iso's stunts works out for the town, not sure how. (null)
#30 Rhand has a line where he says Cyan is accusing him of what Tom is doing. I don't like this because it feels like he is trying to pass the heat on to Tom and it feels like both of their approach was different.
#31 I think Tom makes a valid point here. Not really sure if this gives him scum or town credit but
#33 Iso votes tom. (I wonder if he has a meta read on him)
#35 Cyan tries to convince Iso to vote Rhand over Tom. Cyan definitely likes to be in the drivers seat regardless of alignment (null)
#38 Chris comes in to defend Tom and votes iso (I'm generally just confused)
#40 Chris seems like he's openly coaching tom? (Possibly scum together)
#50 Plowshares comes in and votes rhand, He also looked in to the list of names voting and notices an inconsistency.
#52 Tordeck votes cyan with no reasoning. I don't care about the actual vote, but it seems obvious that RVS is over. +scum
#59 Prowlingpenuin comes in with a quote wall breaking down the tom, cyan, rhand stuff and then quotes chris twice and votes him with open ended questions. (the quote wall break down is +town but I don't like open ended questions in to a vote, it's basically like hey incriminate yourself or could be easy questions for lobbing a softball for a scum teamate to show their towny mindset +scum)
#60 Tetris seems to have other stuff going on and asking to be spoon fed. (null)
#61 NotVox comes in strong, points out things he didn't like with Prowl and goes pretty deep with his overall analysis with prowl/rhand. Playfully messes with tetris which could either be seen as trying to get tetris to open up more so he can get a better read or openly coaching. I'm thinking the former +town
#67 Seppel claims neutral survivor. Not even remotely surprised /facepalm
#70 Alright Tom might actually be simple jack
#75 Nachomamma says he thinks rhands opening was fine (it wasn't) and barns cyan about iso being scum? (Pretty sure cyan was trying to convince Iso do vote rhand but now he thinks Iso is scum?) This seems like lazy scum. He did mention on lunch break so that explains laziness. +scum.
#78 Tetris actually takes what NotVox says to heart and votes rhand. This is interesting. (still null, I don't know enough about this person to judge, /shrug)
#79 Cyan unvotes and votes Iso saying how towny Nacho's #75 is. I feel like the sarcasm is strong.
#82 Vaimes comes in, thinks cyan is town, dislikes rhand, likes Iso and is confused by the last post.
#89 Vaimes is talking to cyan and doesn't understand why cyan seemed to
#92 NotVox does some more deep interpretation in to vaimes.
#94 Iso quotewall but mostly engages cyan
That's pretty much all of the notable stuff for the first two pages.
Overall I don't like rhand, prowling or nacho.
Null on Cyan, Iso and seppel.
I like plowshares, notvox and vaimes. Tom is derpy but probably town.
@Seppel:
So this post fully fails your definition of a Cyanity Check, right?
I don't know what to make of this catch up post. Calling Plowshares town seems particularly bold, everyone should have a null read on him at best considering that his one post is a 100% barn with no real content. This could be a town post, but it could also not be. It makes no sense to declare a town read on it. It makes more sense to declare a scum read on it, but it makes most sense to declare a null read on it.
Also Hawk, I have a town read on Nacho. That post I made was not sarcasm, it was entirely serious.
I also don't feel like it makes sense for you to have a null read on me? You have +town by multiple of my posts, null by one, and scum by none of them.
All of that having been said, I don't know if a scum would make these kind of sloppy errors. Though I also don't remember seeing hawk as scum before. I probably have, I just don't remember it.
#10 Tom shows he read the rules and what not and is actually paying attention
#11 Rhand also noticed that too but decided to PM the mod instead of talk to the group? +scum
#12 Im fine with this line of thinking. I'm not sure if we have noobie players here but i'm definitely not famliar with everyones play in this game. + town
#14 Cyan votes rhand, probably had similar line of though + town
#17 Rhand votes tom and it's serious? I can't really see a good basis for this after catching the same thing that he saw.
#21 Citric noticed all this and thinks cyan is town which was my initial response based on #14, +town
#26 Rhand didn't want to open the topic of having a double voter? why would you not want to discuss it?
#28 Cyan rips in to rhand for #26
#29 Iso lightning rodding is interesting, there is too much WWIFOM to figure out what the hell he is trying to accomplish. Generally going along with Iso's stunts works out for the town, not sure how. (null)
#30 Rhand has a line where he says Cyan is accusing him of what Tom is doing. I don't like this because it feels like he is trying to pass the heat on to Tom and it feels like both of their approach was different.
#31 I think Tom makes a valid point here. Not really sure if this gives him scum or town credit but
#33 Iso votes tom. (I wonder if he has a meta read on him)
#35 Cyan tries to convince Iso to vote Rhand over Tom. Cyan definitely likes to be in the drivers seat regardless of alignment (null)
#38 Chris comes in to defend Tom and votes iso (I'm generally just confused)
#40 Chris seems like he's openly coaching tom? (Possibly scum together)
#50 Plowshares comes in and votes rhand, He also looked in to the list of names voting and notices an inconsistency.
#52 Tordeck votes cyan with no reasoning. I don't care about the actual vote, but it seems obvious that RVS is over. +scum
#59 Prowlingpenuin comes in with a quote wall breaking down the tom, cyan, rhand stuff and then quotes chris twice and votes him with open ended questions. (the quote wall break down is +town but I don't like open ended questions in to a vote, it's basically like hey incriminate yourself or could be easy questions for lobbing a softball for a scum teamate to show their towny mindset +scum)
#60 Tetris seems to have other stuff going on and asking to be spoon fed. (null)
#61 NotVox comes in strong, points out things he didn't like with Prowl and goes pretty deep with his overall analysis with prowl/rhand. Playfully messes with tetris which could either be seen as trying to get tetris to open up more so he can get a better read or openly coaching. I'm thinking the former +town
#67 Seppel claims neutral survivor. Not even remotely surprised /facepalm
#70 Alright Tom might actually be simple jack
#75 Nachomamma says he thinks rhands opening was fine (it wasn't) and barns cyan about iso being scum? (Pretty sure cyan was trying to convince Iso do vote rhand but now he thinks Iso is scum?) This seems like lazy scum. He did mention on lunch break so that explains laziness. +scum.
#78 Tetris actually takes what NotVox says to heart and votes rhand. This is interesting. (still null, I don't know enough about this person to judge, /shrug)
#79 Cyan unvotes and votes Iso saying how towny Nacho's #75 is. I feel like the sarcasm is strong.
#82 Vaimes comes in, thinks cyan is town, dislikes rhand, likes Iso and is confused by the last post.
#89 Vaimes is talking to cyan and doesn't understand why cyan seemed to
#92 NotVox does some more deep interpretation in to vaimes.
#94 Iso quotewall but mostly engages cyan
That's pretty much all of the notable stuff for the first two pages.
Overall I don't like rhand, prowling or nacho.
Null on Cyan, Iso and seppel.
I like plowshares, notvox and vaimes. Tom is derpy but probably town.
@Seppel:
So this post fully fails your definition of a Cyanity Check, right?
I don't know what to make of this catch up post. Calling Plowshares town seems particularly bold, everyone should have a null read on him at best considering that his one post is a 100% barn with no real content. This could be a town post, but it could also not be. It makes no sense to declare a town read on it. It makes more sense to declare a scum read on it, but it makes most sense to declare a null read on it.
Also Hawk, I have a town read on Nacho. That post I made was not sarcasm, it was entirely serious.
I also don't feel like it makes sense for you to have a null read on me? You have +town by multiple of my posts, null by one, and scum by none of them.
All of that having been said, I don't know if a scum would make these kind of sloppy errors. Though I also don't remember seeing hawk as scum before. I probably have, I just don't remember it.
@NotVoxx's 157: I agree with pretty much everything in this post; I don't really agree with the Tetris suspicion but I agree with Rhand town, Tom town, town Cyan, scum Plowshares, scum Iso. The only thing that I don't like about this post is the lack of an Iso vote: are you seriously voting prowlingpenguin still?
Cyan is town. Tom and notVox probably too. And Seppel I think.
(is it public knowledge who notVox actually is?)
I don't have a read on Iso, but I don't understand how he sees the scumchat thing as a scumslip. It's way more likely to come from town.
More when I'm more awake.
The scumchat thing wasn't a scumslip. Iso tried to twist it as newbie scum "taunting the playerlist", which is one of the worst reasonings for actually thinking a player is scum that I've ever heard. Iso knows better. You know Iso knows better. Vote him.
@Voxxicus 173: What do you think of Iso's reasons for his push on Tom?
I'm hesitant to scumread Iso for going after tom, because. If Iso is such a top player, why would he go for what everyone considers to be a super easy target?
Do you think Iso's push on Tom looks scummy individually?
I'm not sure why Iso as scum would choose to pursue Tom - my best guess is that he wanted to emulate the aggresive!Iso tone better than his latest scumgames, but didn't have a strong case to push early and so attempted to push a scumread he couldn't really back up because he hoped people would follow on force of personality before. It's much easier for me to see Iso as scum deciding to push Tom than it is for me to see Iso as town deciding to push Tom; do you disagree?
TS's response to Vaimes is good. I'm not sold enough for a townread there yet, but I'm liking where his mind's at currently.
I have trouble seeing Tordeck's opening as scum being to first attack Iso and then attack Cyan, regardless of their respective alignments. It's a lot about taking the path of least resistance since I don't consider Tordeck the ballsiest scumplayer based on Predator I don't think he suddenly decided to start tilting at players who could crush him in an instant throughout the course of one game of scum meta. I do agree his logic is all sorts of whacked out though, want to unpack that in a separate post.
I was expecting to be sheeped off of the sheer force of the overwhelming towniness that I exude from my pores in every waking moment of my existence, and I also expected people to analyze tom's posts.
Since it looks like I'm going to have to single-handedly drag this game pissing and screaming across the finish line again, you all can expect a dreadnought after work, and boy, do I have a lot to say.
I remember the last time I was promised a gigantic analysis wall!
That didn't go so well for you, did it?
I don't need a thousand reasons for why tom is scum. I need one that doesn't suck, which I don't really think is super unreasonable?
By shortlist, I meant 2-3 players you were focusing on as scumpicks but I see now my question is pretty readily answered by your reads list; didn't notice it earlier because I was sneaking in a post during a short work break.
@NotVoxx's 157: I agree with pretty much everything in this post; I don't really agree with the Tetris suspicion but I agree with Rhand town, Tom town, town Cyan, scum Plowshares, scum Iso. The only thing that I don't like about this post is the lack of an Iso vote: are you seriously voting prowlingpenguin still?
Cyan is town. Tom and notVox probably too. And Seppel I think.
(is it public knowledge who notVox actually is?)
I don't have a read on Iso, but I don't understand how he sees the scumchat thing as a scumslip. It's way more likely to come from town.
More when I'm more awake.
The scumchat thing wasn't a scumslip. Iso tried to twist it as newbie scum "taunting the playerlist", which is one of the worst reasonings for actually thinking a player is scum that I've ever heard. Iso knows better. You know Iso knows better. Vote him.
@Voxxicus 173: What do you think of Iso's reasons for his push on Tom?
I'm hesitant to scumread Iso for going after tom, because. If Iso is such a top player, why would he go for what everyone considers to be a super easy target?
Do you think Iso's push on Tom looks scummy individually?
I'm not sure why Iso as scum would choose to pursue Tom - my best guess is that he wanted to emulate the aggresive!Iso tone better than his latest scumgames, but didn't have a strong case to push early and so attempted to push a scumread he couldn't really back up because he hoped people would follow on force of personality before. It's much easier for me to see Iso as scum deciding to push Tom than it is for me to see Iso as town deciding to push Tom; do you disagree?
TS's response to Vaimes is good. I'm not sold enough for a townread there yet, but I'm liking where his mind's at currently.
I have trouble seeing Tordeck's opening as scum being to first attack Iso and then attack Cyan, regardless of their respective alignments. It's a lot about taking the path of least resistance since I don't consider Tordeck the ballsiest scumplayer based on Predator I don't think he suddenly decided to start tilting at players who could crush him in an instant throughout the course of one game of scum meta. I do agree his logic is all sorts of whacked out though, want to unpack that in a separate post.
I was expecting to be sheeped off of the sheer force of the overwhelming towniness that I exude from my pores in every waking moment of my existence, and I also expected people to analyze tom's posts.
Since it looks like I'm going to have to single-handedly drag this game pissing and screaming across the finish line again, you all can expect a dreadnought after work, and boy, do I have a lot to say.
I remember the last time I was promised a gigantic analysis wall!
That didn't go so well for you, did it?
I don't need a thousand reasons for why tom is scum. I need one that doesn't suck, which I don't really think is super unreasonable?
By shortlist, I meant 2-3 players you were focusing on as scumpicks but I see now my question is pretty readily answered by your reads list; didn't notice it earlier because I was sneaking in a post during a short work break.
@Nacho - Iso to me hasnt done ***** that reads a town motivated. But I am stuck in my own head as to the why behind it. There is a lot of wine to sort through before I can fully be confident in my read of him. Hence why I orginally only FOSed him. Cyan is still the more dangerous player in my mind as the other three there are tells that I have seen in other games that I am confident I can catch. D1 I always go for the biggest threat as eliminating them, even if they flip town, makes the remainder of the game easier to handle.
I don't know why you have to be stuck in your own head re: your Iso process; bring it out in the open, let's see what's going on in that head of yours.
I really don't understand your push on Cyan; you don't seem to be scumreading him, but you're policy lynching him because you can't read him? Why didn't you open up the game that way if that's the case?
somebody photoshop a mustache in there and ill think about it.
@nacho so youre townreading tordeck for the same reason notvox is townreading me basically, only tordeck is all wishy washy about it and is wording his posts so he doesnt actually have any responsibility for his attacks.
how do you feel about that? does that make me SUPERtown?
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Ignores that RVS is over.
2) Iso
His semi-claim opening is concerning. The game just starts and he already wants to control Night actions. But town!Iso does that too, so not alignment-telling.
I liked his initial Tom vote, but looking back, it might be opportunistic. His follow-up is tunneling and that’s not Iso’s style.
I agree with his scumread on Chris though.
He lays a trap for Tom with his ‘why is Chris town’ question, and continues pushing him as scum even when he doesn’t fall for it. I’m convincing myself more and more that this is not town!Iso. Town!Iso would’ve backed off and looked elsewhere.
Then again, his frustration in #119 feels genuine.
3) Voxxicus
He locks himself into a claim in his first post, which probably means he’s town.
4) tomsloger
Early scumread because of the way he mentioned the double voter, but his more recent posting looks like what I’m used from him. And mentioning the scumchat would be too ballsy for him to be scum. Probably town.
5) Cyan
I understand his initial voting rationale, and his tunneling is normal for him. Feels town.
6) Tordeck
Naked vote on Cyan looks bad.
No follow-up in his next post, which also isn’t a helpful post.
The next post would be better if the FOS on Iso was a vote on Iso. Looks more like warning a buddy for bad play than anything else. (#115)
#136 is awful, awful reasoning. As town he would see those players as assets to the town if they are town rather than wanting to lynch them asap because they are dangerous as scum.
7) hansanator
8) TappingStones
#162 is pretty empty. Any scumreads?
9) Seppel
I think he is what claimed. I know firsthand that he does vote with scum in endgame as survivor, so we have to be careful with him. (thanks for that though Seppel. I still think that was one of the most fun endings ever )
10) Vaimes
Opening post (#82): he says he has a huge towncrush on Cyan and votes me for it, but Cyan had just switched to Iso. In the same breath, Vaimes calls Iso town while disagreeing on his Tom scumread. All very weird.
His posts seem to have a lot of words without much content. Like #89: he doesn’t give reads. He only weakens Cyan’s views.
11) Plowshares
Scum. That vote on me was all kinds of opportunistic. And then he goes all technical.
12) NotVoxxicus
I like #64 a lot. It reflects my thoughts. Probably town.
13) MzztrTetris
Not sure if it’s alignment-telling for Tetris, but the first line of #60 feels a little over-explanatory.
The way he prepares for voting me is a bit awkward. And then his vote in #78 is a weak barn.
I think I get now that Cyan is upset that I focus on Plowshares. Tetris is probably scum too.
14) 7hawk77
15) Sir Chris
I’m getting scumvibes from Chris. His opening post is bad. And his second is worse. There’s no need in stating the obvious. He doesn’t improve his posting for a long time.
The way he compliments Tordeck in #147 gives me shivers.
#there’s a contradiction in #149-#150, where he first tells Iso that Iso won’t make the same mistake twice as scum and then tells him he’s doing what he did before and thus is scum. Looks like Chris throws all sorts of mud to Iso.
I see many people calling him town. Can someone explain me why?
16) Nachomamma8
Weak Iso vote, but explains lack of time.
#125 is a great post. Probably town.
17) prowlingpengolin
Gives off all signs of scum in his opening post: white knighting Tom, having good reasons to vote me but vote Chris instead. I would not be surprised if that vote on Chris is a buddy vote.
His turn-around on tom after that is strange.
The way he points out the scumchat ‘slip’ is opportunistic.
18) Jobie
19) CitricBase
RVS feels genuine. #21 can be concerning: reminds me of myself as scum when I’m interested in a town vs town opportunity. He doesn’t go into it though, so probably nothing.
#143 is ok, although I disagree.
That makes:
Neutral Survivor
Seppel
Town
Cyan / Voxx / notVoxx / Nacho
Lean town
Tom / Citric
Null
Atog / Hans / Hawk / Jobie
Lean scum
Iso / Chris / Pengolin / Vaimes / TS / Tordeck
Scum
Plowshares / Tetris
The null group needs to post.
I'm gonna try to get better reads on the lean scum group. Too many in there.
I think Iso and Chris aren't scum together though. Pengolin looks worse than all others in that list.
@Anyone who thinks Chris is town: can you explain me why?
@TappingStones: give me some reads please.
My opening post was awesome, which is the opposite of bad.
I find your scum and town leans strange, how you can find Tom to be townish but think Tordeck is scummy when he defended him like he did is just strange. It seems like you aren't connecting the game properly at all and are just squinting looking for things. The fact you can get... 8 lean scum + in a game with 19 not you players is pretty absurd and try hard.
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"In fact, if you want to discuss meta, the fact you are over reacting to me is...in fact, very in line with vanillaville and how I caught you."
That looks like a contradiction to me? You tell him that he's good and won't get caught in the same way twice and then you "catch" him on something he did that game?
Tordeck didn't do anything else than defending tom, which looks like a scum white knighting move.
I fully realise I have too many lean scums. I said that. I want to get better reads on that grouping.
"like that" in sentence one was referring to how brutally obvious Iso was in his example scum game.
# 2 was not, by the way, why I had problems with him I was pointing out that using the metrics that HE HIMSELF SPECIFIED, he looks bad. It is called turning someone's own argument against them. Basically I was telling Iso not only was his defense of himself poor, but even if I conceded the premise it still works against him.
I've noticed in my time playing here that people often do not correctly parse my words and it leads to misunderstandings. I don't know if this is a misunderstanding or if you are trying to be sinister, but either way 'come on.'
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I'll get active tomorrow afternoon(my time-I live in China).
Unless you manage to simplify your language, but I guess that's not doable as writing like that comes naturally for you.
I was expecting to be sheeped off of the sheer force of the overwhelming towniness that I exude from my pores in every waking moment of my existence, and I also expected people to analyze tom's posts.
Since it looks like I'm going to have to single-handedly drag this game pissing and screaming across the finish line again, you all can expect a dreadnought after work, and boy, do I have a lot to say.
I'd make it at work today, but I'm having a performance review after a month as a contractor, to discuss the potential of me becoming permanent in February. Wish me luck!
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Well... if you are town it'd help if you just asked me to clarify instead of going "CONTRADICTION LOL" I know I can be wordy, I don't mind explaining myself and rephrasing stuff as I am aware I have weird thoughts sometimes.
This just feels like you are doubling down on a persona. Like can you speak to us like we are human? I can't speak for anyone else but you know what? I'm really good at the game of mafia. I have done good work as town this year in multiple games and I do not deserve, nor will I be, talked down to by anyone no matter how good they think they are. Drop the act or I am shoving you into a wall repeatedly on the assumption that you've bumped your head. Make your points, Iso. Make them without the utterly USELESS and even if you are town ANTI-TOWN theatrics.
Also you know what? I've read over Tom's posts. There's nothing bad there. He says goofy things but from my experience with him, which is his every waking moment in mafia so far pretty much, he is prone to do that. Maybe he'll do it as scum too, but it's certainly not an issue of alignment.
I greatly look forward to this big post of yours, if nothing else it should be interesting. And good luck on your review today.
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Feel free to correct me, but I'm not going to ask clarification about posts that I think I understood
This is a better way to phrase my Iso point earlier:
I would expect Iso to try to replicate his town tone as scum when he hasn't found success as passiveIso. I know Iso knows that he wouldn't be able to live very long in this playerlist if he played the same way he did in Vanilla ville. I don't think "hey, I have different tone here than I did there!" is a response Iso has as town; if he's town, he has confidence in his push, his push is what makes him town, not his "aggressiveness".
Tordeck, what has Iso done that looks vaguely town?
Nacho have you ever played D and D? Let's assume you have. When you roll a hit that is in the range of your critical strike you have to roll it again to 'confirm' the critical strike. That's where I am at with Iso right now.
Pressure vote into not liking Iso's responses. Does that make him scum? Trying to roll my dice as we speak.
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Gut reaction is I really hate voxxs opening, not because I think it makes him town or scum but because I think it will make decision making much more difficult.
Tom's opening was weird, still thinking about it.
Citric town reading cyan super quick felt off. Like unnecessary or forced.
More later. Gotta shake off the rust.
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@Nacho - Iso to me hasnt done ***** that reads a town motivated. But I am stuck in my own head as to the why behind it. There is a lot of wine to sort through before I can fully be confident in my read of him. Hence why I orginally only FOSed him. Cyan is still the more dangerous player in my mind as the other three there are tells that I have seen in other games that I am confident I can catch. D1 I always go for the biggest threat as eliminating them, even if they flip town, makes the remainder of the game easier to handle.
@Rhand - I can see where after the only other experience you have playing with me why you would be leaning scum on me. Its a bad read but I can see why.
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In the post where you do vote, you don't even adress me anymore. You just barn Cyan.
Maybe you can explain this in a way that doesn't just sound like 'I just try to kill players that I'm intimidated by, regardless of their alignment'?
white knighting me? im failing to see that. he questions what the hell im doing and doesnt even talk about my alignment.
he looks the worst to you and you, idk, didnt read the post?
maybe it is a buddy vote on chris. maybe youre his buddy and thats why he voted chris. oh hey. i like this.
my tordeck vote was rvs but i think i like it where it is.
@tom: he was adressing your town meta, wasn't he? I read that as him saying that your way of posting was your town way of posting.
if he was townreading me there it was kind of dumb. like, do yall think i wont be spammy and off the wall as scum? because thats not my "town meta" thats my personality. just fyi
a (short) reread of tordeck has given me some confidence in a scumread. all his reads are based on fear, and almost none of it stems from what happening in this game. read some posts and make a read that way. fear is too easy.
@tordeck please give me a read on someone that you arent scared of and isnt me.
@Pengolin: can you explain in other words what you were saying about tom in your first non-hello post?
Oh my god, is Voxx scum??
Conversely, I think NotVoxx is town.
Are you serious. OMGUS is a null tell if the countervite coomes with reasoning.
I'm inclined to agree that he's probably town after our exchange - his rationale for disliking Rhand voting Plowshares reads well to me, just the initial post felt over-blown and fake.
@NotVoxxicus
Regarding Nacho, I shook the Magic 8-Ball, and it said to try again later. (More specifically, ask me about him later in the day, I'll explain why the delay then.)
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Hawk actually kind of feels townish to me based off his one post. The mindset it comes from is one based on needing to analyse and figure things out.
Rhand is. Probably town? There's definitely a difference in tone this game from Predator Mafia, but that could be attributed to him not being on a boat too, I guess, and actually being caught up on current state of game.
I think I'm inclined to take Seppel at face value. We either steamroll the scum and he's effectively a town asset, or we...don't and he has to be taken care of. Either way he's not a concern in the early game to me.
Back to work, I guess. Going to let the thread breathe a bit and see if the people not playing the game start playing the game.
Note:) I will still be able to poke my nose in once a day or so, but I have company staying at my place until after the Holidays are over (They leave on January 2, and yes, I am counting the days, why do you ask?), so will not be as active, or able to re-read as obsessively as I'd like until then. If I miss something directed at me, or you want me to answer something, quote something I've said to alert me. We have a long day one (Deadline in late January), so I'll be able to sink my teeth into this game properly eventually.
Neener neener!
like, shouldnt you just be happy we agree on something other than my towniness?
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i also see you blindly believe claims like everyone else on here seems to. i cant wait to fake claim when im finally scum.
Come on I was just teasing you and having a little fun, that's still allowed.
I've misread as scum a bunch of times in the past, which I don't want to do. But at the same time, recently you were very obviously town to me, and I never waivered in that judgment. I'm not getting those same feelings here. But I'm trying to give you some leeway. I understand why you would go after Plowshares vote on you if you are town. But I also understand why you would do so if you were scum.
#10 Tom shows he read the rules and what not and is actually paying attention
#11 Rhand also noticed that too but decided to PM the mod instead of talk to the group? +scum
#12 Im fine with this line of thinking. I'm not sure if we have noobie players here but i'm definitely not famliar with everyones play in this game. + town
#14 Cyan votes rhand, probably had similar line of though + town
#17 Rhand votes tom and it's serious? I can't really see a good basis for this after catching the same thing that he saw.
#21 Citric noticed all this and thinks cyan is town which was my initial response based on #14, +town
#26 Rhand didn't want to open the topic of having a double voter? why would you not want to discuss it?
#28 Cyan rips in to rhand for #26
#29 Iso lightning rodding is interesting, there is too much WWIFOM to figure out what the hell he is trying to accomplish. Generally going along with Iso's stunts works out for the town, not sure how. (null)
#30 Rhand has a line where he says Cyan is accusing him of what Tom is doing. I don't like this because it feels like he is trying to pass the heat on to Tom and it feels like both of their approach was different.
#31 I think Tom makes a valid point here. Not really sure if this gives him scum or town credit but
#33 Iso votes tom. (I wonder if he has a meta read on him)
#35 Cyan tries to convince Iso to vote Rhand over Tom. Cyan definitely likes to be in the drivers seat regardless of alignment (null)
#38 Chris comes in to defend Tom and votes iso (I'm generally just confused)
#40 Chris seems like he's openly coaching tom? (Possibly scum together)
#50 Plowshares comes in and votes rhand, He also looked in to the list of names voting and notices an inconsistency.
#52 Tordeck votes cyan with no reasoning. I don't care about the actual vote, but it seems obvious that RVS is over. +scum
#59 Prowlingpenuin comes in with a quote wall breaking down the tom, cyan, rhand stuff and then quotes chris twice and votes him with open ended questions. (the quote wall break down is +town but I don't like open ended questions in to a vote, it's basically like hey incriminate yourself or could be easy questions for lobbing a softball for a scum teamate to show their towny mindset +scum)
#60 Tetris seems to have other stuff going on and asking to be spoon fed. (null)
#61 NotVox comes in strong, points out things he didn't like with Prowl and goes pretty deep with his overall analysis with prowl/rhand. Playfully messes with tetris which could either be seen as trying to get tetris to open up more so he can get a better read or openly coaching. I'm thinking the former +town
#67 Seppel claims neutral survivor. Not even remotely surprised /facepalm
#70 Alright Tom might actually be simple jack
#75 Nachomamma says he thinks rhands opening was fine (it wasn't) and barns cyan about iso being scum? (Pretty sure cyan was trying to convince Iso do vote rhand but now he thinks Iso is scum?) This seems like lazy scum. He did mention on lunch break so that explains laziness. +scum.
#78 Tetris actually takes what NotVox says to heart and votes rhand. This is interesting. (still null, I don't know enough about this person to judge, /shrug)
#79 Cyan unvotes and votes Iso saying how towny Nacho's #75 is. I feel like the sarcasm is strong.
#82 Vaimes comes in, thinks cyan is town, dislikes rhand, likes Iso and is confused by the last post.
#89 Vaimes is talking to cyan and doesn't understand why cyan seemed to
#92 NotVox does some more deep interpretation in to vaimes.
#94 Iso quotewall but mostly engages cyan
That's pretty much all of the notable stuff for the first two pages.
Overall I don't like rhand, prowling or nacho.
Null on Cyan, Iso and seppel.
I like plowshares, notvox and vaimes. Tom is derpy but probably town.
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oh *****, i mean "derp derp derp"
"Simple Tom"
I giggled to myself IRL imagining Cyan as Robert Downey Jr. in blackface telling tom to "never go full retard."
If I were a mod on this site, you'd need to put me in a straitjacket to stop me from changing Tom's avatar to this:
But Tordeck? lol
i read yours and just passed over it and then i read cyan's and im like "yeah! good job RVS tom, you nailed it. tordeck is totally scum"
maybe if you say things more forcefully i'll like it better.
What do you think of his (Rhand's) read-wall?
Fake edit: just realized by #94 that you're not fully caught up, but I'd like your answer whenever you get to that post
@Seppel:
So this post fully fails your definition of a Cyanity Check, right?
I don't know what to make of this catch up post. Calling Plowshares town seems particularly bold, everyone should have a null read on him at best considering that his one post is a 100% barn with no real content. This could be a town post, but it could also not be. It makes no sense to declare a town read on it. It makes more sense to declare a scum read on it, but it makes most sense to declare a null read on it.
Also Hawk, I have a town read on Nacho. That post I made was not sarcasm, it was entirely serious.
I also don't feel like it makes sense for you to have a null read on me? You have +town by multiple of my posts, null by one, and scum by none of them.
All of that having been said, I don't know if a scum would make these kind of sloppy errors. Though I also don't remember seeing hawk as scum before. I probably have, I just don't remember it.
@Seppel:
So this post fully fails your definition of a Cyanity Check, right?
I don't know what to make of this catch up post. Calling Plowshares town seems particularly bold, everyone should have a null read on him at best considering that his one post is a 100% barn with no real content. This could be a town post, but it could also not be. It makes no sense to declare a town read on it. It makes more sense to declare a scum read on it, but it makes most sense to declare a null read on it.
Also Hawk, I have a town read on Nacho. That post I made was not sarcasm, it was entirely serious.
I also don't feel like it makes sense for you to have a null read on me? You have +town by multiple of my posts, null by one, and scum by none of them.
All of that having been said, I don't know if a scum would make these kind of sloppy errors. Though I also don't remember seeing hawk as scum before. I probably have, I just don't remember it.
The scumchat thing wasn't a scumslip. Iso tried to twist it as newbie scum "taunting the playerlist", which is one of the worst reasonings for actually thinking a player is scum that I've ever heard. Iso knows better. You know Iso knows better. Vote him.
@Voxxicus 173: What do you think of Iso's reasons for his push on Tom?
Do you think Iso's push on Tom looks scummy individually?
I'm not sure why Iso as scum would choose to pursue Tom - my best guess is that he wanted to emulate the aggresive!Iso tone better than his latest scumgames, but didn't have a strong case to push early and so attempted to push a scumread he couldn't really back up because he hoped people would follow on force of personality before. It's much easier for me to see Iso as scum deciding to push Tom than it is for me to see Iso as town deciding to push Tom; do you disagree?
TS's response to Vaimes is good. I'm not sold enough for a townread there yet, but I'm liking where his mind's at currently.
@Rhand's 208:
I have trouble seeing Tordeck's opening as scum being to first attack Iso and then attack Cyan, regardless of their respective alignments. It's a lot about taking the path of least resistance since I don't consider Tordeck the ballsiest scumplayer based on Predator I don't think he suddenly decided to start tilting at players who could crush him in an instant throughout the course of one game of scum meta. I do agree his logic is all sorts of whacked out though, want to unpack that in a separate post.
I remember the last time I was promised a gigantic analysis wall!
That didn't go so well for you, did it?
I don't need a thousand reasons for why tom is scum. I need one that doesn't suck, which I don't really think is super unreasonable?
By shortlist, I meant 2-3 players you were focusing on as scumpicks but I see now my question is pretty readily answered by your reads list; didn't notice it earlier because I was sneaking in a post during a short work break.
@NotVoxx's 157: I agree with pretty much everything in this post; I don't really agree with the Tetris suspicion but I agree with Rhand town, Tom town, town Cyan, scum Plowshares, scum Iso. The only thing that I don't like about this post is the lack of an Iso vote: are you seriously voting prowlingpenguin still?
The scumchat thing wasn't a scumslip. Iso tried to twist it as newbie scum "taunting the playerlist", which is one of the worst reasonings for actually thinking a player is scum that I've ever heard. Iso knows better. You know Iso knows better. Vote him.
@Voxxicus 173: What do you think of Iso's reasons for his push on Tom?
Do you think Iso's push on Tom looks scummy individually?
I'm not sure why Iso as scum would choose to pursue Tom - my best guess is that he wanted to emulate the aggresive!Iso tone better than his latest scumgames, but didn't have a strong case to push early and so attempted to push a scumread he couldn't really back up because he hoped people would follow on force of personality before. It's much easier for me to see Iso as scum deciding to push Tom than it is for me to see Iso as town deciding to push Tom; do you disagree?
TS's response to Vaimes is good. I'm not sold enough for a townread there yet, but I'm liking where his mind's at currently.
@Rhand's 208:
I have trouble seeing Tordeck's opening as scum being to first attack Iso and then attack Cyan, regardless of their respective alignments. It's a lot about taking the path of least resistance since I don't consider Tordeck the ballsiest scumplayer based on Predator I don't think he suddenly decided to start tilting at players who could crush him in an instant throughout the course of one game of scum meta. I do agree his logic is all sorts of whacked out though, want to unpack that in a separate post.
I remember the last time I was promised a gigantic analysis wall!
That didn't go so well for you, did it?
I don't need a thousand reasons for why tom is scum. I need one that doesn't suck, which I don't really think is super unreasonable?
By shortlist, I meant 2-3 players you were focusing on as scumpicks but I see now my question is pretty readily answered by your reads list; didn't notice it earlier because I was sneaking in a post during a short work break.
I don't know why you have to be stuck in your own head re: your Iso process; bring it out in the open, let's see what's going on in that head of yours.
I really don't understand your push on Cyan; you don't seem to be scumreading him, but you're policy lynching him because you can't read him? Why didn't you open up the game that way if that's the case?
tom
tom please
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@nacho so youre townreading tordeck for the same reason notvox is townreading me basically, only tordeck is all wishy washy about it and is wording his posts so he doesnt actually have any responsibility for his attacks.
how do you feel about that? does that make me SUPERtown?
Unvote, vote Atogaholic
Also Hawk is scum for that catchup post that accomplished nothing
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I'm just gonna put it out there that I'm not gonna finish my post tonight. I'll deliver tomorrow.
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