I think my only problem with Cyan is him calling Sir Chris obvtown, when. No.
Eh.
NotVoxxicus, why did you single me out?
I hear you sometimes stress about early attention when you're scum. I found your byplay with Cyan agreeable - as in, I thought it was a good question about Cyan's take on Nacho. I'm reading pengolin independently scummy, and the way you jumped on / agreed with his "Voxx gives me chills" thing in a very carefree way reinforced my theory that you were anti-aligned with him. Hence, poke poke poke.
thats the thing. chris prides himself on his scum game and town game being similar. townclearing him for a couple of posts on Day 1 seems like a lot of hubris. maybe cyan can read him, but its too soon.
so far, i just think hes chris.
thats the thing. chris prides himself on his scum game and town game being similar. townclearing him for a couple of posts on Day 1 seems like a lot of hubris. maybe cyan can read him, but its too soon.
so far, i just think hes chris.
Tom, Ive watched you be town in two back to back games. I am pretty sure I can read you at this point. Youre Town again. Now shut up for a bit and let someone else put their foot in their mouth for a bit. Youre too good at it.
thats the thing. chris prides himself on his scum game and town game being similar. townclearing him for a couple of posts on Day 1 seems like a lot of hubris. maybe cyan can read him, but its too soon.
so far, i just think hes chris.
But it looked to me like you said Chris was scum. So, which is it? Are you backpedaling, now?
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Could you explain these chills? And prowlingpengolin, feel free to answer this as well.
Vaimes, I have an important question for you. Think about it carefully:
Are you mafia?
Ya, I haven't played with Voxxicus in something like two years, in what happens to be one of my all-time favorite games. So I'm excited to play with him again.
Could you explain these chills? And prowlingpengolin, feel free to answer this as well.
Vaimes, I have an important question for you. Think about it carefully:
Are you mafia?
I don't know if it's because of his claim, or because I find Voxxicus to be Intimidating in general, but. Chills. I can't really convey it any better than that.
I am not mafia. You should trust that implicitly.
I apologize in advance for the nit-picky-ness of this, but do you mean positive chills or negative chills? As in, reading about a natural disaster can be "chilling" insofar as it's disturbing, or hearing a beautiful piece of music can give you chills because it's beautiful. Which sense of the word did you mean, and @prowlingpengolin did you mean the same thing?
I do have a reason for this line of questioning, just bear with me.
@pengo yes i know who you are. what im really asking is why youve gimmicked up instead using your own account.
but yeah, i was trying to pretend i didnt have inside information from being a mod. but whatever.
this is the problem man. i started out looking scummy and now im better so im town? scumchat is still open man. that doesnt mean *****.
I'm trying to envision a world where a scum would actually point this out when someone is just going to bat for them, and I just can't(my alignment doesn't even matter here..whether I was Tom's scum buddy or town is irrelevant). Tom, stop being dumb.
Iso, you know better than what you are doing here, and your behavior right now is just solidifying my read on you. You're just looking for an easy lynch, not a good lynch. Vote stands.
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Last time I saw you act like this was near the end of Amerlin Seat. tisk tisk. If I Jesters werent banned I would think you are trying to get yourself lynched.
When I was in Amyrlin Seat, I was desperately trying to shoot down any plan that didn't involve me dying because I was the last scum alive and needed to sow as much WIFOM as possible.
Please tell me how these two situations are analogous. TIA!
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First problem: I don't actually believe that there's something so incredibly wrong with #31 that you suddenly decided to switch from normal happy death mode to tunnel-mode, and I can literally find nothing that points to where you're forming a scumread it's far more likely than not that you're just putting on aggression for the sake of aggression, which isn't any form of town!Iso that I'm familiar with.
Also Tom despite their names being opposite they do not actually have to be opposite aligned. You may want to stick to actually observing thinngs.
If you thought this Tom post was serious, why did you let it slide in the way that you did?
Do you really have so little respect for him as a player where you think he would assume that MTGS username had anything to do with alignment?
After catching up, I agree with Cyan. Rand initially tries to keep information to himself and then poorly tries to reason it.
My inclination is to Vote: Rhand.
Am I the only one who noticed the last two names missing from the "Not Voting" section? I think it's likely just a mistake, but wanted to point it out as well.
Sheeping Cyan while doing nothing else is exceedingly lame.
I'm trying to understand why you would say this if you knew who he was.
"Pretending I didn't have inside information" isn't an explanation; yes, I understand this was pretending you didn't know who he was but I don't know why.
@Cyan-Could you expand on why you think Rhand's claim that he was trying to prevent the doublevoter from outing himself makes him scummy, as opposed to him being confused about the player base/not totally thinking the doublevoter's alignment through? I'm having trouble resolving this distinction
@Rhand-Would you have said anything regarding the doublevoter catch had tom not mentioned it in the second post?
I'll wait for answers before I vote, but I feel like post 32 is pretty strange, it feels like Rhand is flailing here.
I already addressed this, but I think that if Rhand were actually town, he would have put more thought into his post and realized that there was no benefit in him saying anything. Especially considering that he took the time and effort to go and privately ask the Mod about this. Instead, I think he saw an opportunity as scum and took it, without completely thinking it through.
The bolded is where we disagree.
I don't think that Rhand as scum would put more thought into an early post than Rhand as town. I think Rhand is pretty off the cuff and transparent as either alignment although he lurks like crazy as scum, and typically players who are afraid to post as scum are the types who think too much as opposed as not enough.
Beyond literally his first 1-2 posts, I don't think tomsloger is being scummy at all. I think he has gotten progressively townier.
this is the problem man. i started out looking scummy and now im better so im town? scumchat is still open man. that doesnt mean *****.
rofl
I'm pretty sure tom just confessed to being openly coached by his buddies in scumchat.
Come on. Surely I'm not the only one seeing this.
I don't really understand a world where someone calls tom town after making a scummy opening and then he... confesses to being coached by his buddies in scumchat?
@pengo I'll have to go find your other questions from a computer. I'm not ignoring you.
@iso low hanging fruit is one thing. But if you're saying I'm scum and so bad at it that I talked about scumchat then there's certainly a scarier person to lynch today anyway
First problem: I don't actually believe that there's something so incredibly wrong with #31 that you suddenly decided to switch from normal happy death mode to tunnel-mode, and I can literally find nothing that points to where you're forming a scumread it's far more likely than not that you're just putting on aggression for the sake of aggression, which isn't any form of town!Iso that I'm familiar with.
That's cool. I was eyeing tom before #31 and decided to act at that point. I don't broadcast my every single move, as boisterous as I enjoy being, sometimes. You've played with me enough times to know this.
Beyond literally his first 1-2 posts, I don't think tomsloger is being scummy at all. I think he has gotten progressively townier.
this is the problem man. i started out looking scummy and now im better so im town? scumchat is still open man. that doesnt mean *****.
rofl
I'm pretty sure tom just confessed to being openly coached by his buddies in scumchat.
Come on. Surely I'm not the only one seeing this.
I don't really understand a world where someone calls tom town after making a scummy opening and then he... confesses to being coached by his buddies in scumchat?
What did you think Tom was thinking there?
I'm thinking that tom's seeing a bunch of people waving him off as noob/VI town and playing up to it. It's well within his personality to do so.
@iso low hanging fruit is one thing. But if you're saying I'm scum and so bad at it that I talked about scumchat then there's certainly a scarier person to lynch today anyway
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First problem: I don't actually believe that there's something so incredibly wrong with #31 that you suddenly decided to switch from normal happy death mode to tunnel-mode, and I can literally find nothing that points to where you're forming a scumread it's far more likely than not that you're just putting on aggression for the sake of aggression, which isn't any form of town!Iso that I'm familiar with.
That's cool. I was eyeing tom before #31 and decided to act at that point. I don't broadcast my every single move, as boisterous as I enjoy being, sometimes. You've played with me enough times to know this.
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Where's that compelling Tom case you promised? "He's scum" isn't really doing anything for me.
I'm multi-tasking OoG. I decided just to let people read tom's posts and comment on the new ones as they arrive.
Beyond literally his first 1-2 posts, I don't think tomsloger is being scummy at all. I think he has gotten progressively townier.
this is the problem man. i started out looking scummy and now im better so im town? scumchat is still open man. that doesnt mean *****.
rofl
I'm pretty sure tom just confessed to being openly coached by his buddies in scumchat.
Come on. Surely I'm not the only one seeing this.
I don't really understand a world where someone calls tom town after making a scummy opening and then he... confesses to being coached by his buddies in scumchat?
What did you think Tom was thinking there?
I'm thinking that tom's seeing a bunch of people waving him off as noob/VI town and playing up to it. It's well within his personality to do so.
@iso low hanging fruit is one thing. But if you're saying I'm scum and so bad at it that I talked about scumchat then there's certainly a scarier person to lynch today anyway
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Are you planning on scumhunting, at all? Also, you didn't answer my questions about Chris.
This is such a *****bag post. You don't get to run the 'are you planning on scumhunting' against a guy that has been defending himself against you since like his 5th post of the game.
It's time for more people to come around and Vote Iso. You guys were all too happy to pile your votes/suspicion on Rhand. Iso is acting far worse. He is straight up bullying a guy that is pretty likely to be town and is just not acting that bright.
Like, don't get me wrong. If anyone can appreciate a relentless assault against someone, it is yours truly. But even I can recognize a low hanging fruit attack against someone that is probably town, and that is what we have here. This needs to be stopped.
Actually I was speaking to the tone of your posts Iso. The tone you used in the endgame of Amerlin is the same (to me) as the tone you are using here about Tom. The issue is that to me it is so obvious that I am hesitant to call you scum outright as it would make no sense for scumIso to act this way so there has to be some other reason. Unless of course Occam's Razor needs to be applied in which case good on you for throwing me for a loop this early in the game. There is also Cyan and I agreeing on something and that always freaks me out.
The four best players in this game are you, Cyan, Seppel and Chris. Any one of them is a huge threat when scum. So I put my vote on the one I can read the least and for now that is where it will stay. That said I would be perfectly happy to switch to you (or Chris should certain tells show up) should I feel that is the proper lynch for toDay.
Put the chainsaw away, Chris. I'll bury you when I'm done with your buddy.
Ehh, I never took you for much of a coward, Iso. This is pretty cowardly play from you, though. You accuse me of being scum and then you go after someone not me. If I am scum you 100% murder me in the face every time. Every single time. Basically Iso I find your skill in games as town wanting so either you are an ineffective town player or an effective scum player, and I am not going to let you do what you want this game at any juncture. Consider my plan for you this game "The Iso Check." You are going to have to explain yourself every step of the way to get anywhere. No easy outs, no 'trusting you.'
So Iso why is Tom scum? Go into vivid detail!
Why do you care about the mass claiming?
Because I have seen mass claims hurt town in recent games, led by people in this game. Thanks for asking!
Why are all of your posts so pointless?
Just because you don't understand the point doesn't make them pointless. If you would like to know the inner workings of my mind, feel free to ask and I will do my utmost to help you out, but if you ask no questions I can give you no answers. I like you though, you have spunk. Spunk is good. How experienced of a player are you?
Seppel - I see what you did there and that makes you town. Nice picture.
Cyan why the hell are you town reading me?
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I understand a Cyan townread easily enough, but I don't understand why this was a tipping point.
Rhand's post felt...off to me. Not because of the asking-mods-part. Cyan seemingly also picked up on it, or at least his vote wasn't the relatively-easy-to-defend justification of that. Especially after Tomsloger just gave his reasoning that way
Meh. I like Sir Chris's paranoia at the end of #140 (where is post #141??), but he's also a good enough player I definitely wouldn't just clear him for it. But I'd probably move him to the light townread pile
Are you planning on scumhunting, at all? Also, you didn't answer my questions about Chris.
This is such a *****bag post. You don't get to run the 'are you planning on scumhunting' against a guy that has been defending himself against you since like his 5th post of the game.
It's time for more people to come around and Vote Iso. You guys were all too happy to pile your votes/suspicion on Rhand. Iso is acting far worse. He is straight up bullying a guy that is pretty likely to be town and is just not acting that bright.
Like, don't get me wrong. If anyone can appreciate a relentless assault against someone, it is yours truly. But even I can recognize a low hanging fruit attack against someone that is probably town, and that is what we have here. This needs to be stopped.
I'm not gonna let you piss away another town victory for me. Seriously, are you reading your posts? I'm not bullying. I'm lynching scum. There's a difference, and I am even more aggro than you when I set my sights on someone. You know this, so why are you acting like it's a surprise? "tom's been defending himself against you." oh boo ******* hoo. When I was new and defending myself, people - including you, I might add - got on my ass for not scumhunting in addition to defending myself. You said you were bringing the old Cyan back. I'm sorely disappointed if this is all you have to offer.
Actually I was speaking to the tone of your posts Iso. The tone you used in the endgame of Amerlin is the same (to me) as the tone you are using here about Tom. The issue is that to me it is so obvious that I am hesitant to call you scum outright as it would make no sense for scumIso to act this way so there has to be some other reason. Unless of course Occam's Razor needs to be applied in which case good on you for throwing me for a loop this early in the game. There is also Cyan and I agreeing on something and that always freaks me out.
The four best players in this game are you, Cyan, Seppel and Chris. Any one of them is a huge threat when scum. So I put my vote on the one I can read the least and for now that is where it will stay. That said I would be perfectly happy to switch to you (or Chris should certain tells show up) should I feel that is the proper lynch for toDay.
ScumIso does not put himself out there like this so aggressively so early, especially not on someone that would be likely to rally cries of "Iso's being a jackass to the new guy!" You wanna talk about Occam's Razor? The simple explanation is that I'm town and laser-focused on someone I think is scum this early. Sure, I'll give you that I'd be playing this game differently if I were scum than I played Amyrlin because my team was absolute deadweight in that game and I had to establish myself as a leader after I replaced Void when he went missing with the discrepancy with the Seat's election vote. I had to play cautiously in that game because I was in a very dangerous situation and I had to play politics with everyone that I wasn't trying to lynch so as to not be usurped abruptly in the Night. ScumIso is shady, passive-aggressive, manipulative, demoralizing, and careful. TownIso is boisterous, aggressive, hot-headed, arrogant, and vicious. Which of these do you feel falls more in line with my play so far?
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That reminds me, though.
@Nacho & Chris: You just saw me play in Vanillaville as scum, where I started off terribly clunkily and never recovered. For some reason, Nacho, you were townreading me in that game. Chris, however, caught on to me early, due to the vast discrepancies in my playstyle there and as town in the past. If anything, I'm amazed that either of you could be possibly scumreading me based on the juxtaposition of my play there and my play here. So please, share with the class why your sudden insightfulness on the way I play Mafia has abruptly come to a halt.
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...It's a secret. But I'm confident in my town read of you, and I promise to explain it eventually, just not right now. I'm just asking you for a little faith.
And you wouldn't ask me questions like that if you were scum anyway, now would you.
I see that we're on the same page re: Iso, which is nice. Hop on. This is a good wagon and you know it.
It's funny that you call Seppel Town, when he literally claimed Neutral Survivor.
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Okay, so, here's a good question, then - you said oldCyan is back. Since when does oldCyan give newbies slack for being scummy?
Maybe if you stated cases better you would have better engagement.
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Good problem to have with Cyan, Vaimes, well done.
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thats the thing. chris prides himself on his scum game and town game being similar. townclearing him for a couple of posts on Day 1 seems like a lot of hubris. maybe cyan can read him, but its too soon.
so far, i just think hes chris.
Am I the new Seppel? Wait, better question: why are you inclined to read me as scum, Tom? What did you mean by that?
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This is a strong post from Tordeck. Sees a weak player being attacked, defends with no hesitation. Good work, Tordeck.
That's cool. I was eyeing tom before #31 and decided to act at that point. I don't broadcast my every single move, as boisterous as I enjoy being, sometimes. You've played with me enough times to know this.
Iso seems committed to not explaining himself. I bet I am more committed to making him explaining himself though. That's a hint Iso. Also you literally think the newbie is such devious scum that he is choosing to mock a town full of veteran players. That's the angle you're going with? That's pretty silly.
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I'm not gonna let you piss away another town victory for me. Seriously, are you reading your posts? I'm not bullying. I'm lynching scum. There's a difference, and I am even more aggro than you when I set my sights on someone. You know this, so why are you acting like it's a surprise? "tom's been defending himself against you." oh boo ******* hoo. When I was new and defending myself, people - including you, I might add - got on my ass for not scumhunting in addition to defending myself. You said you were bringing the old Cyan back. I'm sorely disappointed if this is all you have to offer.
I don't know what 'other' town victory you're referring to. And we were literally just town together ONE GAME ago. You behaved nothing like this in that game. Sure, you can say that you want to be more aggro this game. This feels VERY similar to what you tried to say in Cyberpunk Mafia, where you ultimately got lynched aaaaaaaand..flipped scum. And no one is more aggro than me; let's be real. Don't try to take away what I am known for. Hrmph. And you're not lynching scum. Come on, seriously. Are you going to sit there and tell me that you think that scum tomsloger told people that were townreading him that his improved behavior was because he was being coached? So he literally just outed himself as scum? This game is not that easy and you know it. You are just trying to take a cheap shot here, and it is very unbecoming. And I have no idea what I got on your case for when you were new, but if I did try to use that as an accusation against you then..I'm sorry. that is a *****ty point to try and lay against a person; it's not reasonable to expect a newb to scumhunt AND defend themselves. They are never going to do both. You *know* this. By your own damned admission just now, you know this literally because you didn't do it yourself, so why are you trying to make it a point against someone else?
You just saw me play in Vanillaville as scum, where I started off terribly clunkily and never recovered. For some reason, Nacho, you were townreading me in that game. Chris, however, caught on to me early, due to the vast discrepancies in my playstyle there and as town in the past. If anything, I'm amazed that either of you could be possibly scumreading me based on the juxtaposition of my play there and my play here. So please, share with the class why your sudden insightfulness on the way I play Mafia has abruptly come to a halt.
See this is reliance on meta and a pretty bull***** defense of yourself. Like you are a very good player, and very good players who can be caught out like that twice don't exist. Now if you're town the best way I know of finding that is questioning you, so you feeling the need to rely on a scum game of yours to defend yourself seems really over the top. I tend to go after tough players day one and see what's on their mind, something YOU should know. Yet you act like this is a departure for some reason. Also if you want to be known as a mediocre player let me know, in that case I will think you can't change your style of play in a big game situation and then we can take all those awards from you and give them to Cyan or Seppel.
Play the game properly, let me see that you are town if you are town, don't rely on your meta.
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In fact, if you want to discuss meta, the fact you are over reacting to me is...in fact, very in line with vanillaville and how I caught you.
So uh, not helping yourself.
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Oh, wait, I am dumb. I thought Seppel was claiming Ra because he is a sun god, and thus just kidding about being neutral, but he is literally claiming Amaterasu who actually makes sense as a neutral now that I think about it. Also Ra is super dead in this timeline, oops.
By the way Cyan are....you telling me to hop onto the Iso wagon???
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Asking/telling/whatever. He's scum and you should vote him. The ends justify the means. There is just no way that he really believes tom is scum. I take that back. The only way that he really believes that tom is scum is if he is bussing him, in which case voting Iso is still fine.
Also, that was an impressive burn a couple of posts back. I was trying to save an Ashton Kutcher gif to post about it but IMGUR is being *****ty so..I couldn't.
Hey, uh, Cyan...I don't think you understand the nature of my inquiry.
I was voting Iso all along.
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I hear you sometimes stress about early attention when you're scum. I found your byplay with Cyan agreeable - as in, I thought it was a good question about Cyan's take on Nacho. I'm reading pengolin independently scummy, and the way you jumped on / agreed with his "Voxx gives me chills" thing in a very carefree way reinforced my theory that you were anti-aligned with him. Hence, poke poke poke.
so far, i just think hes chris. this is the problem man. i started out looking scummy and now im better so im town? scumchat is still open man. that doesnt mean *****. thats actually both of my games. im hoping for day 3 this game.
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yep
But it looked to me like you said Chris was scum. So, which is it? Are you backpedaling, now?
rofl
I'm pretty sure tom just confessed to being openly coached by his buddies in scumchat.
Come on. Surely I'm not the only one seeing this.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So why are you suggesting that I have no meta? You could easily look it up.
Ya, I haven't played with Voxxicus in something like two years, in what happens to be one of my all-time favorite games. So I'm excited to play with him again.
See above.
well I missed the post.
Can you explain to me further why you mentioned the scumchat being open? What is the relevance there?
FOS Iso
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@pengo yes i know who you are. what im really asking is why youve gimmicked up instead using your own account.
but yeah, i was trying to pretend i didnt have inside information from being a mod. but whatever.
I'm trying to envision a world where a scum would actually point this out when someone is just going to bat for them, and I just can't(my alignment doesn't even matter here..whether I was Tom's scum buddy or town is irrelevant). Tom, stop being dumb.
Iso, you know better than what you are doing here, and your behavior right now is just solidifying my read on you. You're just looking for an easy lynch, not a good lynch. Vote stands.
Oh my god, you people. I'm pushing him because he's scum, not because he's a noob. ******* get with it.
I read it. And I don't believe that's where you found that first.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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If you really can't examine him objectively, I have no words for you except that you should probably try checkers instead of Mafia.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Please tell me how these two situations are analogous. TIA!
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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@Iso: Have you watched stargate? Also I think Tom is town.
I understand a Cyan townread easily enough, but I don't understand why this was a tipping point.
First problem: I don't actually believe that there's something so incredibly wrong with #31 that you suddenly decided to switch from normal happy death mode to tunnel-mode, and I can literally find nothing that points to where you're forming a scumread it's far more likely than not that you're just putting on aggression for the sake of aggression, which isn't any form of town!Iso that I'm familiar with.
If you thought this Tom post was serious, why did you let it slide in the way that you did?
Do you really have so little respect for him as a player where you think he would assume that MTGS username had anything to do with alignment?
Sheeping Cyan while doing nothing else is exceedingly lame.
I'm trying to understand why you would say this if you knew who he was.
"Pretending I didn't have inside information" isn't an explanation; yes, I understand this was pretending you didn't know who he was but I don't know why.
The bolded is where we disagree.
I don't think that Rhand as scum would put more thought into an early post than Rhand as town. I think Rhand is pretty off the cuff and transparent as either alignment although he lurks like crazy as scum, and typically players who are afraid to post as scum are the types who think too much as opposed as not enough.
Do you disagree?
And I'm interested in your Iso town read!
@Iso:
Where's that compelling Tom case you promised? "He's scum" isn't really doing anything for me.
I don't really understand a world where someone calls tom town after making a scummy opening and then he... confesses to being coached by his buddies in scumchat?
What did you think Tom was thinking there?
@iso low hanging fruit is one thing. But if you're saying I'm scum and so bad at it that I talked about scumchat then there's certainly a scarier person to lynch today anyway
Yes, I know he's suggesting I'm scum. He's drawing an inaccurate parallel, as I am pointing out.
As for Stargate, I saw the movie!
That's cool. I was eyeing tom before #31 and decided to act at that point. I don't broadcast my every single move, as boisterous as I enjoy being, sometimes. You've played with me enough times to know this.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes, I know he's suggesting I'm scum. He's drawing an inaccurate parallel, as I am pointing out.
As for Stargate, I saw the movie!
That's cool. I was eyeing tom before #31 and decided to act at that point. I don't broadcast my every single move, as boisterous as I enjoy being, sometimes. You've played with me enough times to know this.
I'm multi-tasking OoG. I decided just to let people read tom's posts and comment on the new ones as they arrive.
I'm thinking that tom's seeing a bunch of people waving him off as noob/VI town and playing up to it. It's well within his personality to do so.
I mean, just look at this:
He's mocking us.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This is such a *****bag post. You don't get to run the 'are you planning on scumhunting' against a guy that has been defending himself against you since like his 5th post of the game.
It's time for more people to come around and Vote Iso. You guys were all too happy to pile your votes/suspicion on Rhand. Iso is acting far worse. He is straight up bullying a guy that is pretty likely to be town and is just not acting that bright.
Like, don't get me wrong. If anyone can appreciate a relentless assault against someone, it is yours truly. But even I can recognize a low hanging fruit attack against someone that is probably town, and that is what we have here. This needs to be stopped.
Can't you just do what I want you to just once?
The four best players in this game are you, Cyan, Seppel and Chris. Any one of them is a huge threat when scum. So I put my vote on the one I can read the least and for now that is where it will stay. That said I would be perfectly happy to switch to you (or Chris should certain tells show up) should I feel that is the proper lynch for toDay.
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Unvote, vote Rhand
Gosh you change your mind fast.
Unvote, vote Iso
Ehh, I never took you for much of a coward, Iso. This is pretty cowardly play from you, though. You accuse me of being scum and then you go after someone not me. If I am scum you 100% murder me in the face every time. Every single time. Basically Iso I find your skill in games as town wanting so either you are an ineffective town player or an effective scum player, and I am not going to let you do what you want this game at any juncture. Consider my plan for you this game "The Iso Check." You are going to have to explain yourself every step of the way to get anywhere. No easy outs, no 'trusting you.'
So Iso why is Tom scum? Go into vivid detail!
Because I have seen mass claims hurt town in recent games, led by people in this game. Thanks for asking!
Just because you don't understand the point doesn't make them pointless. If you would like to know the inner workings of my mind, feel free to ask and I will do my utmost to help you out, but if you ask no questions I can give you no answers. I like you though, you have spunk. Spunk is good. How experienced of a player are you?
Seppel - I see what you did there and that makes you town. Nice picture.
Cyan why the hell are you town reading me?
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Rhand's post felt...off to me. Not because of the asking-mods-part. Cyan seemingly also picked up on it, or at least his vote wasn't the relatively-easy-to-defend justification of that. Especially after Tomsloger just gave his reasoning that way
I'm not gonna let you piss away another town victory for me. Seriously, are you reading your posts? I'm not bullying. I'm lynching scum. There's a difference, and I am even more aggro than you when I set my sights on someone. You know this, so why are you acting like it's a surprise? "tom's been defending himself against you." oh boo ******* hoo. When I was new and defending myself, people - including you, I might add - got on my ass for not scumhunting in addition to defending myself. You said you were bringing the old Cyan back. I'm sorely disappointed if this is all you have to offer.
ScumIso does not put himself out there like this so aggressively so early, especially not on someone that would be likely to rally cries of "Iso's being a jackass to the new guy!" You wanna talk about Occam's Razor? The simple explanation is that I'm town and laser-focused on someone I think is scum this early. Sure, I'll give you that I'd be playing this game differently if I were scum than I played Amyrlin because my team was absolute deadweight in that game and I had to establish myself as a leader after I replaced Void when he went missing with the discrepancy with the Seat's election vote. I had to play cautiously in that game because I was in a very dangerous situation and I had to play politics with everyone that I wasn't trying to lynch so as to not be usurped abruptly in the Night. ScumIso is shady, passive-aggressive, manipulative, demoralizing, and careful. TownIso is boisterous, aggressive, hot-headed, arrogant, and vicious. Which of these do you feel falls more in line with my play so far?
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That reminds me, though.
@Nacho & Chris: You just saw me play in Vanillaville as scum, where I started off terribly clunkily and never recovered. For some reason, Nacho, you were townreading me in that game. Chris, however, caught on to me early, due to the vast discrepancies in my playstyle there and as town in the past. If anything, I'm amazed that either of you could be possibly scumreading me based on the juxtaposition of my play there and my play here. So please, share with the class why your sudden insightfulness on the way I play Mafia has abruptly come to a halt.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
...It's a secret. But I'm confident in my town read of you, and I promise to explain it eventually, just not right now. I'm just asking you for a little faith.
And you wouldn't ask me questions like that if you were scum anyway, now would you.
I see that we're on the same page re: Iso, which is nice. Hop on. This is a good wagon and you know it.
It's funny that you call Seppel Town, when he literally claimed Neutral Survivor.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Maybe if you stated cases better you would have better engagement.
Good problem to have with Cyan, Vaimes, well done.
Am I the new Seppel? Wait, better question: why are you inclined to read me as scum, Tom? What did you mean by that?
This is a strong post from Tordeck. Sees a weak player being attacked, defends with no hesitation. Good work, Tordeck.
Iso seems committed to not explaining himself. I bet I am more committed to making him explaining himself though. That's a hint Iso. Also you literally think the newbie is such devious scum that he is choosing to mock a town full of veteran players. That's the angle you're going with? That's pretty silly.
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I don't know what 'other' town victory you're referring to. And we were literally just town together ONE GAME ago. You behaved nothing like this in that game. Sure, you can say that you want to be more aggro this game. This feels VERY similar to what you tried to say in Cyberpunk Mafia, where you ultimately got lynched aaaaaaaand..flipped scum. And no one is more aggro than me; let's be real. Don't try to take away what I am known for. Hrmph. And you're not lynching scum. Come on, seriously. Are you going to sit there and tell me that you think that scum tomsloger told people that were townreading him that his improved behavior was because he was being coached? So he literally just outed himself as scum? This game is not that easy and you know it. You are just trying to take a cheap shot here, and it is very unbecoming. And I have no idea what I got on your case for when you were new, but if I did try to use that as an accusation against you then..I'm sorry. that is a *****ty point to try and lay against a person; it's not reasonable to expect a newb to scumhunt AND defend themselves. They are never going to do both. You *know* this. By your own damned admission just now, you know this literally because you didn't do it yourself, so why are you trying to make it a point against someone else?
See this is reliance on meta and a pretty bull***** defense of yourself. Like you are a very good player, and very good players who can be caught out like that twice don't exist. Now if you're town the best way I know of finding that is questioning you, so you feeling the need to rely on a scum game of yours to defend yourself seems really over the top. I tend to go after tough players day one and see what's on their mind, something YOU should know. Yet you act like this is a departure for some reason. Also if you want to be known as a mediocre player let me know, in that case I will think you can't change your style of play in a big game situation and then we can take all those awards from you and give them to Cyan or Seppel.
Play the game properly, let me see that you are town if you are town, don't rely on your meta.
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2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
So uh, not helping yourself.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
By the way Cyan are....you telling me to hop onto the Iso wagon???
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Also, that was an impressive burn a couple of posts back. I was trying to save an Ashton Kutcher gif to post about it but IMGUR is being *****ty so..I couldn't.
I was voting Iso all along.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player