It'd be funny if you were serial killer in this game like I was in my stargate mafia as ba'al.
*eyes you suspiciously*
Probably not though.
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It'd be funny if you were serial killer in this game like I was in my stargate mafia as ba'al.
*eyes you suspiciously*
Probably not though.
I wish. I'm a much better player as literally any type of scum than as town, honestly. I don't know when I lost my edge as town. Things like 'this person has too much ego to do this as scum' don't occur to me, because I just assume people put winning above all.
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Funny. I wondered if you were going to claim exactly Hathor after your 'people should target me' bit early on. That feels like a pretty degenerate role for the town to have.
But I guess it could be viewed as a JOAT that only gains the abilities that people are willing to give it.
Oh well. You're probably neutral and I'll never convince people to lynch you and you'll just win now. Cool life. I officially hate being town.
I still stand by my town read on Chris. I still can't explain it yet, but hey, at least you guys can trust me now!
Meh, I'm probably getting NKed tonight now anyway, so, no big deal. I didn't want to be League MVP anyway. Oh wait, that's half of the reason I signed up for this game(the other half is because STARGATE!)
ill put up with a lot of things, but giving up isnt one of them. i dont particularly agree with many of your reads, but what the **** do i know. drag me to a victory cyan.
Cyan, can you just humor me and vote for one of my big 3? I mean, you didn't even read my Nacho argument, and I'll happily roll over and die if I'm just that wrong this game.
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The worst part of all of this is that I *Still* think Iso is probably scum, but of some neutral variety. Cult Leader Hathor makes the most sense, but I can't believe that a CL would ever be untargetable. His behavior is just flatly not-town. All of his reads are absurd and do not track logically whatsoever, for reasons that I have plainly detailed. But getting him lynched now is going to be basically impossible.
Why is everyone so eager to die if they are wrong. I am wrong all the time and I don't think I should die for it, you guys are too dramatic.
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Cyan, can you just humor me and vote for one of my big 3? I mean, you didn't even read my Nacho argument, and I'll happily roll over and die if I'm just that wrong this game.
The Nacho argument where you went and found some game on another site to use for refence? I mean come on, what the **** is that? Do you not realize how desperate that looks? Do you have a scum game of Nacho's HERE that I can go look at?
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Alright cyan take a break for a day. Your emotions seem to be running high and I need you to make a hell of an impact in case you do draw the first NK.
Ah I didn't format my kill properly, maybe I'll get to keep it on technicality!
Probably not, but hey a guy can dream.
Why would Tom be the correct choice? He seems extremely likely to be town, is very active, is trying to find scum(well to the best of his ability as far as I can tell)..etc.
We need some more actual content out of you Vaimes, you're slipping.
I'll go look at CT2. Didn't we catch Nacho pretty easily in that game? Or am I mis-remembering?
Scrolling around a bit, I see you (Cyan) asked me if I think Iso is scum.
I wasn't really getting the scumreads on him in the beginning, a lot of it seemed to be based on 'you're not acting like town!Iso!', which. I can't really evaluate without reading several other games.
Plus he claimed what I thought was a town PR. Plus he was tunneling tom, which seems like something only newbscum would do. Going after scummy/easy players instead of players you think are scum and such.
I'll let you know what I think when I've read the other ~7 pages, but that's what I was thinking back when I was around.
Did you even read CT2 before referencing it? Like for real? Nacho did **** all nothing that game except make useless banter and comment on make game state comments, but not actually try to progress the gamestate itself. His behavior here is completely different, which would have to be obvious to you if you actually read him. He doesn't try to solve the game at all in that game like he does here. His approach is completely different. I don't honestly know if I've played in a game with him where I was town since then, but I'm pretty sure that I was responsible for his lynch in that game. So unless he has radically changed his scum gameplay in that time(admittedly possible, it's been awhile), I *really* don't see what you're getting at. But in this game in a vacuum, he is town by any measurable standard.
Like, your scum read on him here is just completely baffling. Just like every read you have in this game, apparently. Man I so hope you are just trolling me and die when Taredas shows up.
to be clear, i dont care that hes advocating killing me. but he actually said the correct vig choice was someone hes reading as town.
i guess i get policy lynching me if you think im a distraction. maybe ill learn my lesson if the majority of the game would rather not have me in it.
but what does shooting me accomplish towards that end?
Did you even read CT2 before referencing it? Like for real? Nacho did **** all nothing that game except make useless banter and comment on make game state comments, but not actually try to progress the gamestate itself. His behavior here is completely different, which would have to be obvious to you if you actually read him. He doesn't try to solve the game at all in that game like he does here. His approach is completely different. I don't honestly know if I've played in a game with him where I was town since then, but I'm pretty sure that I was responsible for his lynch in that game. So unless he has radically changed his scum gameplay in that time(admittedly possible, it's been awhile), I *really* don't see what you're getting at. But in this game in a vacuum, he is town by any measurable standard.
Like, your scum read on him here is just completely baffling. Just like every read you have in this game, apparently. Man I so hope you are just trolling me and die when Taredas shows up.
You asked me if I knew of a scumgame that Nacho had on MTGS. I gave you the only one I remember. There might be one more, but I don't know which game that would be, if so. And no, I'm pretty sure I'm the sole reason Nacho died in CT2 game, because the town was like "HERPADERP NACHO IS TOTALLY TOWN FOR HIS TRACKER CLAIM" and I was like "NOPE I CC HIM" because there was no way he was going to be able to pull our team to victory on that, alone. Given that CT2 was not a clear indicator of Nacho's typical scumgame, that's why I didn't reference it in my meta case. I'm just absolutely boggled at your approach in all of this.
to be clear, i dont care that hes advocating killing me. but he actually said the correct vig choice was someone hes reading as town.
i guess i get policy lynching me if you think im a distraction. maybe ill learn my lesson if the majority of the game would rather not have me in it.
but what does shooting me accomplish towards that end?
If it makes you feel any better, I just want you to die because I think you're scum!
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Oh you mean Hawk. Yeah I don't get that either. But I mean..it's hard to see someone saying that as scum. It's a super bad thing to suggest.
Also, policy lynches/kills are nonsense. Full Stop.
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You asked me if I knew of a scumgame that Nacho had on MTGS. I gave you the only one I remember. There might be one more, but I don't know which game that would be, if so. And no, I'm pretty sure I'm the sole reason Nacho died in CT2 game, because the town was like "HERPADERP NACHO IS TOTALLY TOWN FOR HIS TRACKER CLAIM" and I was like "NOPE I CC HIM" because there was no way he was going to be able to pull our team to victory on that, alone. Given that CT2 was not a clear indicator of Nacho's typical scumgame, that's why I didn't reference it in my meta case.
Hey. HEY!. Stop trying to steal my thunder, jerk. I spent literally ALL of day 2 trying to get Nacho lynched and he stalled until the ABSOLUTE last minute to come up with that Tracker claim and lucksacked his way into the town not actually having an investigative role, while you clowns(well you were scum, so fair is fair) lynched Thor for some inexplicable reason.
And you can't use games from Mafiascum as evidence. That is ridiculous. Everything is completely and utterly different there, it is an awful reference point. Has Nacho really not been scum in ANY other game here? Because CT2 is an atrociously bad example. And if that is your only example, you have no business calling Nacho scum in this game. Because based on his behavior in this game, he looks as town as town can be.
Maybe we should try something different. What do you think about Vaimes?
At this point, I've played a handful of games with Vaimes, and I'm pretty sure I have an okay feel for his scum game? Simply by merit of seeing him as town so many times, of course. I wrecked his team pretty brutally in an IRL Mafia game, though I think all of my forum Mafia games with him have been town, so far. He's been away for a good amount of pages, and I'm looking forward to a more in-depth post from him. My read on him hasn't changed from my first assessment when I made my T/S list.
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Also, you have neurological problems? This is the first I've heard about this. (This isn't spam - it could affect the game!)
Yeah. I don't know why I brought it up, other than that it's been particularly bad lately. But I don't even really play Magic or Poker anymore, despite those being my 2 primary hobbies, because I what I feel is neurological degradation. I just don't have the edge at them that I used to(and I used to be pretty good at poker..I'm still okay, just not as good). The problem is that the only physical manifest is an involuntary motor tic. The rest of it could just be me being paranoid. :/ But you know, when your intellect is all that you have going for you, you notice when it slips. Anyway, I shouldn't have mentioned that in a game like this full of people that I really don't talk to outside of it. Sorry. But it would explain why I suck these days. Heh. Sigh.
And yeah, I meant CT2 of course. CT3 was a great performance too though. By you and me both. You tried your hardest to get Az lynched in that one, if I remember right. The rest of the town just couldn't be bothered to go along with it.
I liked Vaimes alot at first, but that seems to be slipping with each post he makes. I'll have to review. And like you said, I don't think he's said anything really substantial, so. He really should rectify that.
There are certain tells I picked up on that make me believe that this is a scum game for him. I cannot explain them just yet but they are probably me reading the same ones as Cyan but in reverse.
At this point, I've played a handful of games with Vaimes, and I'm pretty sure I have an okay feel for his scum game? Simply by merit of seeing him as town so many times, of course. I wrecked his team pretty brutally in an IRL Mafia game, though I think all of my forum Mafia games with him have been town, so far. He's been away for a good amount of pages, and I'm looking forward to a more in-depth post from him. My read on him hasn't changed from my first assessment when I made my T/S list.
What do you think about Vaimes?
Oh, you. <3
Cyan: I don't know if this is still something relevant to your interests, but you had a question for me about Tordeck on page six:
This post though, just seems outright scummy. The first paragraph is whatever, even though policy lynches are nonsense. The second paragraph basically says 'sure Iso is scummy, buuuut I'd rather vote for this other guy that might be town just because it makes the game easier to read'.
Like..what the actual **** is that about? In mafia, we lynch people that are scum. Period, The End. He flatly admits that Iso has done nothing with town motivation, and then literally tries to WIFOM away Iso's actions on Iso's behalf. I feel like my idea that they're BOTH scum is rapidly being strengthened.
And then in addressing Rhand, he acknowledges why Rhand would see him as scum, but just dismisses it as a bad read. Like..come on.
I need to hear from NotVoxxicus, Vaimes, Tom, and SirChris on this subject. If Nacho wanted to weigh in, I guess that would be okay too, since he was questioning Tordeck earlier.
I didn't really have a read on Tordeck prior to this, but I agree that it reads as really bad. Also, you actually checking his references and exposing him in 288 was hilarious.
Uh. That's all I really have to say about that, though.
Man, now I feel bad for some of the things I say to get you to rethink the game. Sincerely sorry about that - I hope I haven't had any adverse effects on your mentality as a result. I do consider you a friend, if I hadn't made that clear in the past.
I'll try to lay off on that sort of thing.
CT3 was something, I'll tell you that. I did try my damndest to get Az lynched for most of Day 1, but then I reneged and said, "Screw it, I'll give Az a chance."
Then you guys killed me on Night 1. I would have totally not let him live on Day 2 after his botched claim and taking advantage of the flow of the game to lynch Zen like he did. Thanks for the compliment, though! I think that's the fourth compliment you've ever paid me in my Mafia career. The first was during my first scum game in the spectator QT, the second was in XKCD when you said it was an honor doing battle with me, the third was in this game when you called me a competent player, and again just now. A Mafia compliment from Cyan is something to be remembered!
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@Tordeck: When do you think you'll be able to substantiate on those Chris tells?
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There are certain tells I picked up on that make me believe that this is a scum game for him. I cannot explain them just yet but they are probably me reading the same ones as Cyan but in reverse.
Come on Tordeck. You have to actually explain those tells, ESPECIALLY with a player like Sir Chris, for us to be motivated to vote him. And I'm willing to listen, because I feel like I am very keenly aware of what Sir Chris' scum tells are, and I don't think he is exhibiting any of them in this game. That is a big part of why I am fervently declaring him town. So please, enlighten us.
I didn't really have a read on Tordeck prior to this, but I agree that it reads as really bad. Also, you actually checking his references and exposing him in 288 was hilarious.
Uh. That's all I really have to say about that, though.
Back to reading.
You are aware that there is a 33-50% chance that Tordeck is the double voter, right?
Also, in your own words, why does this read as really bad?
Ah it doesn't really matter, you choosing to post this right now was such perfect timing.
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It reads as bad because wanting to lynch players for how good they are rather than attempting to actually get a read on them is not how you play the game.
Slant Man, now I feel bad for some of the things I say to get you to rethink the game. Sincerely sorry about that - I hope I haven't had any adverse effects on your mentality as a result. I do consider you a friend, if I hadn't made that clear in the past.
I'll try to lay off on that sort of thing.
Don't sweat it, you're probably right most of the time. And if you're not, well I probably can't do ***** about it anyway, heh. I have some huge battery of neuropsychological tests on January 4th, so..here's hoping that tells me something.
I knew something was really amiss about 6? months ago. I've been suffering from the motor tic problem(mostly just involuntary throat clearing and involuntary head movements) for about 2 years now..that part is annoying but it's like..whatever. Anyway. I was at a Magic tournament about 6 months ago, Modern States, and I was writing down my decklist. I was playing Grixis Delver, and I was randomly talking about Mardu in Standard. Instead of writing Murderous cut, which was actually in my deck, I inexplicably wrote 'Mardu Charm'..because who ******* knows why. This was a big red flag for me, but lol imagine trying to explain this ***** to a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic. I'm just like 'yeah I've been having some uhhh mental lapses'...anyway enough about my *****ty mental lapses, sorry again to everyone else. But yeah, you don't have to treat me with kid gloves, I'm harder on myself than anyone else could be, and this will always be true.
Then you guys killed me on Night 1. I would have totally not let him live on Day 2 after his botched claim and taking advantage of the flow of the game to lynch Zen like he did. Thanks for the compliment, though! I think that's the fourth compliment you've ever paid me in my Mafia career. The first was during my first scum game in the spectator QT, the second was in XKCD when you said it was an honor doing battle with me, the third was in this game when you called me a competent player, and again just now. Grin A Mafia compliment from Cyan is something to be remembered!
Yeah it's true, I'm as critical of everyone else as I am of..me. But I give more compliments to other people than I do to myself.
@Tordeck: When do you think you'll be able to substantiate on those Chris tells?
My hands are currently tied on the matter. As soon as that changes I would love to better explain the read. For now I can only ask Cyan to rethink what he is reading and anyone to scrutinize Chris's posts and compare them to his other games recently.
Cyan - OOG stuff. I'm really sorry to hear about it. My best to you.
theres a chance that tordeck is trying to use the "scum likes having me around, town gets sick of my bull*****" thing from my last two games to appear townie here.
its also possible im just pissing him off. i find me funny, but some apparently dont
Cyan, I don't really understand how Tordeck is that likely to be the Double Voter, or how that alone makes him town(/why that seems to be a reason you voted me? You weren't very clear there). Pretty sure a while back you said yourself it might not be a town role.
I've experienced two types of Double Voters: ones who cast both votes publicly, and ones who cast one vote publicly and the second one privately in their QT. Obviously the second one prevents them from being found out as easily.
The private Double Voter's QT (from a past game) says that they could place a second vote on the player of their choice. It doesn't say whether or not they're allowed to split their votes, nor did the Double Voter ever attempt to do that.
It'd be funny if you were serial killer in this game like I was in my stargate mafia as ba'al.
*eyes you suspiciously*
Probably not though.
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Touche.
I wish. I'm a much better player as literally any type of scum than as town, honestly. I don't know when I lost my edge as town. Things like 'this person has too much ego to do this as scum' don't occur to me, because I just assume people put winning above all.
So yeah, any ability that targets me is nullified. Any non-kill abilities that target me, I get a 1-shot copy of.
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But I guess it could be viewed as a JOAT that only gains the abilities that people are willing to give it.
Oh well. You're probably neutral and I'll never convince people to lynch you and you'll just win now. Cool life. I officially hate being town.
hey, tordeck is still up in the air. and this is a great time to reconsider chris.
Meh, I'm probably getting NKed tonight now anyway, so, no big deal. I didn't want to be League MVP anyway. Oh wait, that's half of the reason I signed up for this game(the other half is because STARGATE!)
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The Nacho argument where you went and found some game on another site to use for refence? I mean come on, what the **** is that? Do you not realize how desperate that looks? Do you have a scum game of Nacho's HERE that I can go look at?
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Alright cyan take a break for a day. Your emotions seem to be running high and I need you to make a hell of an impact in case you do draw the first NK.
My phone is dying so I'll be around later.
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Exciting times.
Probably not, but hey a guy can dream.
Why would Tom be the correct choice? He seems extremely likely to be town, is very active, is trying to find scum(well to the best of his ability as far as I can tell)..etc.
We need some more actual content out of you Vaimes, you're slipping.
I'll go look at CT2. Didn't we catch Nacho pretty easily in that game? Or am I mis-remembering?
I wasn't really getting the scumreads on him in the beginning, a lot of it seemed to be based on 'you're not acting like town!Iso!', which. I can't really evaluate without reading several other games.
Plus he claimed what I thought was a town PR. Plus he was tunneling tom, which seems like something only newbscum would do. Going after scummy/easy players instead of players you think are scum and such.
I'll let you know what I think when I've read the other ~7 pages, but that's what I was thinking back when I was around.
Did you even read CT2 before referencing it? Like for real? Nacho did **** all nothing that game except make useless banter and comment on make game state comments, but not actually try to progress the gamestate itself. His behavior here is completely different, which would have to be obvious to you if you actually read him. He doesn't try to solve the game at all in that game like he does here. His approach is completely different. I don't honestly know if I've played in a game with him where I was town since then, but I'm pretty sure that I was responsible for his lynch in that game. So unless he has radically changed his scum gameplay in that time(admittedly possible, it's been awhile), I *really* don't see what you're getting at. But in this game in a vacuum, he is town by any measurable standard.
Like, your scum read on him here is just completely baffling. Just like every read you have in this game, apparently. Man I so hope you are just trolling me and die when Taredas shows up.
i guess i get policy lynching me if you think im a distraction. maybe ill learn my lesson if the majority of the game would rather not have me in it.
but what does shooting me accomplish towards that end?
You asked me if I knew of a scumgame that Nacho had on MTGS. I gave you the only one I remember. There might be one more, but I don't know which game that would be, if so. And no, I'm pretty sure I'm the sole reason Nacho died in CT2 game, because the town was like "HERPADERP NACHO IS TOTALLY TOWN FOR HIS TRACKER CLAIM" and I was like "NOPE I CC HIM" because there was no way he was going to be able to pull our team to victory on that, alone. Given that CT2 was not a clear indicator of Nacho's typical scumgame, that's why I didn't reference it in my meta case. I'm just absolutely boggled at your approach in all of this.
If it makes you feel any better, I just want you to die because I think you're scum!
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Also, at least I'm consistent!
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Also, policy lynches/kills are nonsense. Full Stop.
Unrelatedly,
@Iso: Man CT3 ended up being a great game for me as town. It came down to me to make the right choice in the end with the game on the line. I love those moments. I miss those days before I had neurological problems.
Also, you have neurological problems? This is the first I've heard about this. (This isn't spam - it could affect the game!)
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
but, like, hes essentially barning one of my earlier posts in the same comment as saying i should die.
Hey. HEY!. Stop trying to steal my thunder, jerk. I spent literally ALL of day 2 trying to get Nacho lynched and he stalled until the ABSOLUTE last minute to come up with that Tracker claim and lucksacked his way into the town not actually having an investigative role, while you clowns(well you were scum, so fair is fair) lynched Thor for some inexplicable reason.
And you can't use games from Mafiascum as evidence. That is ridiculous. Everything is completely and utterly different there, it is an awful reference point. Has Nacho really not been scum in ANY other game here? Because CT2 is an atrociously bad example. And if that is your only example, you have no business calling Nacho scum in this game. Because based on his behavior in this game, he looks as town as town can be.
Maybe we should try something different. What do you think about Vaimes?
Oh, you meant in this game?
At this point, I've played a handful of games with Vaimes, and I'm pretty sure I have an okay feel for his scum game? Simply by merit of seeing him as town so many times, of course. I wrecked his team pretty brutally in an IRL Mafia game, though I think all of my forum Mafia games with him have been town, so far. He's been away for a good amount of pages, and I'm looking forward to a more in-depth post from him. My read on him hasn't changed from my first assessment when I made my T/S list.
What do you think about Vaimes?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah. I don't know why I brought it up, other than that it's been particularly bad lately. But I don't even really play Magic or Poker anymore, despite those being my 2 primary hobbies, because I what I feel is neurological degradation. I just don't have the edge at them that I used to(and I used to be pretty good at poker..I'm still okay, just not as good). The problem is that the only physical manifest is an involuntary motor tic. The rest of it could just be me being paranoid. :/ But you know, when your intellect is all that you have going for you, you notice when it slips. Anyway, I shouldn't have mentioned that in a game like this full of people that I really don't talk to outside of it. Sorry. But it would explain why I suck these days. Heh. Sigh.
And yeah, I meant CT2 of course. CT3 was a great performance too though. By you and me both. You tried your hardest to get Az lynched in that one, if I remember right. The rest of the town just couldn't be bothered to go along with it.
There are certain tells I picked up on that make me believe that this is a scum game for him. I cannot explain them just yet but they are probably me reading the same ones as Cyan but in reverse.
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Oh, you. <3
Cyan: I don't know if this is still something relevant to your interests, but you had a question for me about Tordeck on page six:
I didn't really have a read on Tordeck prior to this, but I agree that it reads as really bad. Also, you actually checking his references and exposing him in 288 was hilarious.
Uh. That's all I really have to say about that, though.
Back to reading.
I'll try to lay off on that sort of thing.
CT3 was something, I'll tell you that. I did try my damndest to get Az lynched for most of Day 1, but then I reneged and said, "Screw it, I'll give Az a chance."
Then you guys killed me on Night 1. I would have totally not let him live on Day 2 after his botched claim and taking advantage of the flow of the game to lynch Zen like he did. Thanks for the compliment, though! I think that's the fourth compliment you've ever paid me in my Mafia career. The first was during my first scum game in the spectator QT, the second was in XKCD when you said it was an honor doing battle with me, the third was in this game when you called me a competent player, and again just now. A Mafia compliment from Cyan is something to be remembered!
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@Tordeck: When do you think you'll be able to substantiate on those Chris tells?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Come on Tordeck. You have to actually explain those tells, ESPECIALLY with a player like Sir Chris, for us to be motivated to vote him. And I'm willing to listen, because I feel like I am very keenly aware of what Sir Chris' scum tells are, and I don't think he is exhibiting any of them in this game. That is a big part of why I am fervently declaring him town. So please, enlighten us.
You are aware that there is a 33-50% chance that Tordeck is the double voter, right?
Also, in your own words, why does this read as really bad?
Ah it doesn't really matter, you choosing to post this right now was such perfect timing.
Unvote, Vote Vaimes
Do you see what I see, Iso?
(Also, obviously the first chunk of my previous post was @Cyan.)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It reads as bad because wanting to lynch players for how good they are rather than attempting to actually get a read on them is not how you play the game.
Don't sweat it, you're probably right most of the time. And if you're not, well I probably can't do ***** about it anyway, heh. I have some huge battery of neuropsychological tests on January 4th, so..here's hoping that tells me something.
I knew something was really amiss about 6? months ago. I've been suffering from the motor tic problem(mostly just involuntary throat clearing and involuntary head movements) for about 2 years now..that part is annoying but it's like..whatever. Anyway. I was at a Magic tournament about 6 months ago, Modern States, and I was writing down my decklist. I was playing Grixis Delver, and I was randomly talking about Mardu in Standard. Instead of writing Murderous cut, which was actually in my deck, I inexplicably wrote 'Mardu Charm'..because who ******* knows why. This was a big red flag for me, but lol imagine trying to explain this ***** to a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic. I'm just like 'yeah I've been having some uhhh mental lapses'...anyway enough about my *****ty mental lapses, sorry again to everyone else. But yeah, you don't have to treat me with kid gloves, I'm harder on myself than anyone else could be, and this will always be true.
Yeah it's true, I'm as critical of everyone else as I am of..me. But I give more compliments to other people than I do to myself.
Cyan - OOG stuff. I'm really sorry to hear about it. My best to you.
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Man Iso, I should have ignored you and just vigged Tordeck when I wanted to yesterday. Look how testy this is.
Tom, you certainly are entertaining this game.
its also possible im just pissing him off. i find me funny, but some apparently dont
I've experienced two types of Double Voters: ones who cast both votes publicly, and ones who cast one vote publicly and the second one privately in their QT. Obviously the second one prevents them from being found out as easily.
The private Double Voter's QT (from a past game) says that they could place a second vote on the player of their choice. It doesn't say whether or not they're allowed to split their votes, nor did the Double Voter ever attempt to do that.
So my example might me incorrect. Blah.