@iamabusinessman: Right in the beginning of the game, when you were asked why you claimed, you said "because WIFOM". Why is your claim WIFOM? Is making a WIFOM claim something town would do so early in a game?
this point seems familiar
Not trying to make a point, asking because I really don't understand why it could be considered WIFOM. It's a binary choice, either he's lying or he's not. Don't see how it could be circular reasoning.
Not trying to make a point, asking because I really don't understand why it could be considered WIFOM. It's a binary choice, either he's lying or he's not. Don't see how it could be circular reasoning.
ive brought this up at least twice now. the only answer he ever gave is "Your question is already answered in a very literal fashion. BECAUSE WIFOM."
its the single thing that makes me scum read him most. why would imab, as town, answer that way?*
This has been easily the most suspect slot so far. OB's horrific play put him in a position for others to scrutinize him, but the problem is that he doesn't hold up to the scrutiny. #25 VOTES JOBIE and says WF is a good vote too. #26 confirms his vote is not RSV. #29 unvotes Jobie and naked votes GJ. (He's just looking to run someone up. Has no consideration of whether someone is actually scum, just wants to start a wagon.) #36 WF wisely points out OB saying scum is more likely to call out Nacho's announcment than town, but is still voting Jobie. (barn/ this) #76 Says GJ is trying to produce minimal content-scum motivated. Says Zionite is copying his read. Is evasive about axelrod's question. Tries to say it's scummy (this is the start of quite a few attacks where he says anyone who disagrees with him is scum). #87 Dodges Axelrod's question. Admits he hasn't answered the question. (Gives a bogus reason, check it out), again calls question scumy. #96 pointless post #98 links all of Tom's posts without any explanations. #101 Goes at Tom. Unvotes GJ VOTES TOM. Insults Tom's English based on paragraph spacing, capitalization, etc. #109 Very confrontational unvotes, now is on TS. (He's already voted how many people???) Essentially for asking him why he's attacking Tom's English and what mistakes he couldn't understand. #110 Admits he ignored info on Tom "for [his] own reasons". #111 Tom calls out OB for understanding yet saying he didn't understand. (it's unclear to all which posts were supposed to be "unclear/non-native") #112 Says TS is his top scum read.Accuses of "fanning the flames" (actually I was telling him to cut it out/asking what was unclear) #117 Tells me, If I disagreed with his post I shouldn't have commented. (WWHHAATT????) Makes up a wildly conspiratory post of TS's motives. (Is thinking from a scum mindset). #119 OB IMPLODES #120 continues implosion #122 Says Tom and I are opposite scum teams. #127 OB is getting zero support against me so lashes out at the player base. #132 Personal attacks against Tom and I. #149 replaces out. Says I am scum and Tom is a good lynch. Nacho is town. (duh)
Others also saw a scum slip but I think my case against him is solid enough without that. If you believe the scum slip then that's just icing on the cake for me. But I think this argument is pretty solid.
ETR/OceanBlack SCUM lynch or vig if you can.
Nacho- Currently town but I want more participation. We already have Nacho, Seppel, Wildfire, GJ and I to build a solid base around. I'm also feeling good about Jobie but need to see a lot more action and reads.
DOTA #81 Calls out OB on his strange defense. #105 Corretly calls out OB for reading too much into RVS. #107 (very careful)Reads OB as nretral #156 VOTES Tom "Something puts me off", "Gut read" (I DONT LIKE THIS) #303 admits he is too scared to do anything. His words! Town shouldn't be scared.
LEAN SCUM
Necarg #58 Asks a random question. Says he disagrees with GJ and that he has no clear reads. #69 Calls out IABM VOTES IABM. #95 Xyre calls out Necarg as classic meta lurking scum. Gives decent reasoning. #205 Tom is scum. Trying very hard to give minimal input and is a bit nervous IMO.
Lean Scum
Axelrod #32 Asks a pointless question. #56 Asks OB why Jobie was a better vote than wildfire? VOTES XYRE says because "voting someone who probably isn't scum" #80 Says xyre is playing both sides. Clearly demonstrates xyre's suspect idea. #82 Calls out OB on "fixation" comment and strange "Why is my vote a concern?" Points out hostility. Calls out OB's conspiracy theory. #139 Tells OB to chill. Says he's making a mountain out of a molehill. Says he doesn't think OB is scum. (HUH??)
Lean Town-He's just playing poorly. He sees a lot of the scummy play in OB but doesn't want to rock the boat. Timid town (or scum I can't be sure). I'll lean town till I see more.
Zionite #40 Naked VOTES AXELROD. Shows dislike for GJ's no lynch plan. #41 Says Nacho "im town" is not a tell. Wildfire has no case. #63 Says he's voting to "make the mod do more work" (BAD joke, worse vote) Quotes the xyre post about Necarg but doesn't explain. #159 townreads TS, Tom, OB. VOTES TORDECK #300 barns axelrod and votes me #306 asks Tom to defend me, doesn't want to look himself. Particularly bizarre because it's transparent that he doesn't care about the answer. Asking Tom to do work for him. BIZARRE.
SCUM
XYRE #47 votes IABM. Asks how much experience he has. (I hate this vote) #62 Says Necarg is scum. #73 naked votes Necarg. #148 Asks Necarg his opinion of Tom? (trying to gauge the wagon?) #167 reiterates he thinks Necarg and IABM are scum. #301 "likes axelrod's TS post" #321 admits his IABM angle is busted.
Has been a walking disaster most of this game begging for people to vote for him.
Lean Scum proceed with lynch, I will support.
Last scum is between IABM and Tom. We can find this out in short order.
@antny clearly we disagree on imab. the difference here is that im willing to consider arguments contrary to my opinion, even going as far as agreeing with imab up there^.
the statement "There is not a single thing there would actually make you scumread imab." is an obvious falsity, since even if you dont agree there are things in there that made me scumread imab. is it really so unreasonable?
Your case makes me suspicious because:
a) You only did it because you were called out for not writing any cases. Actions taken hastily like this tend to be attempts to look town rather than having actual town motivations.
b) It reads like "oh crap, I need to justify a scumread. Quick to the ISO button".
c) All you did was interpret the posts. Where's the analyse? Where's the justification for the scumread. None of that was there which is why I neither believe in your case, or believe that you believe it yourself.
and what the hell is the point of looking up what gunsmith and seer do? hes either lying or not. and if he is telling the truth, he could still be scum, he might survive to use them, he might get useful information, he might share it with us.
The fact you didn't look it up is what shows me you don't care. If you don't know what the roles do, how are you meant to know if he's lying or not. Plus if you want to lynch, wouldn't you want to know if your about lynch a powerful role.
Furthermore certain roles would be less likely to be scum. You can't possible work that out without knowing what the roles do.
[quote]I'm not sure what's more frustrating to read, Antny's blatant lack of desire to provide content or Tom's attempt to provide content that's just saying "WORdS WoRDS WORnDS WORtS WORkS WiRDS WORlDS WORlDS WORmS WeRDS"
Is being a dick a scumtrait of yours or do you do it as town as well?
So, I've been assuming that when iamabusinessman said he was a 1-shot "Seer" that was just another way of saying "Cop" - i.e. an ability that would detect scum, period. And 1-shot gunsmith was another type of investigative role, which can find killers, but also pings on Townie killing roles like Vig.
Now I see some people suggesting that "Seer" is for "Werewolves" (i.e. that one scum team specifically) and that "Gunsmith" is for "Mafia" (i.e. the other scum group). Which is not something I had considered. Frankly, that makes the role a lot less useful if that's what it is.
So @iamabusinessman: is that what your role means?
Seer = Cop
Gunsmith = gives the gift of one-shot vig
ETR has all but claimed scum at this point. If the answer was that important he'd have found it by now because I've already answered. Instead he's sitting around pissing and moaning and not engaging the game. He's scum caught for the wrong reasons which is why he's paralyzed. He wants to try and get into an argument with me to discredit whatever reasons he thinks I have. He's going about this entire thing with a guilty mindset because he thought he was caught.
And I see tomoger also ignoring gunsmith. Tom+EtR not out of the question.
@Axel...
Yeah seer finds wolves gunsmith finds people with guns.
I thought the gunsmith gave someone a gun I.E. Turned them into a 1-shot vig. The more you know.
How is that indicative of being scum and not just being angry?
I'll admit, I haven't gone through TS's posts with a fine-tooth comb, but the posts in question don't sound angry. They just sound blandly accusatory. Quotes like this:
Quote from TappingStones, #113 »
YOur currently the only player that seems to be reacting with such hostility and I really want to know why. Maybe it's something that will help me clear you as town later, maybe it will lead to you being caught as scum. It's presently unclear.
TappingStones's first post in this matter was an attack on Ocean's character, not on Ocean's behavior.
Alright, I'll admit it: imabusinessman is probably telling the truth after all. If it was made up, voluntarily adopting a less useful, harder-to-fake role makes no sense.
Though thinking about it some more I realize he could still be a mafia. Definitely unlikely he's lying about his abilities, anyway.
Did you miss the part where I said "Consider my vote on DoTArchon"?
I feel the AtE in this post, but something about it bugs me. Kind of like how Wheat tried to explain his bad posts in FF2 Mafia.
AtE?
Bad posts? If the point of the game is to ask questions and cast suspicion, then how are my posts bad if that's what I'm trying to do? Maybe it would be better if I'm lynched. All I seem to be doing is distracting you from finding actual scum. I saw your comment of your vote should be considered to be on me, but why not just vote and get it over with.
Believe it or not I can't lynch you with a single vote.
AtE = Appeal to Emotion. Now that you're on the line, you're making plays that appeal to emotions instead of logic.
would you like to share? i dont think he looks good, but dont see a "slip"
is it the thing antny said about him ignoring the seer part or imab's claim?
Not ignoring Seer, he focused specifically on it, ignoring the Gunsmith part.
I misunderstood the roles, too, so I don't see how this is a slip.
I have a pocket list of people who should be copped/vigged due to how worthless it is to tackle them head-on.
Fun! I have one of those two. I even used it in my last game.
I'm not sure what's more frustrating to read, Antny's blatant lack of desire to provide content or Tom's attempt to provide content that's just saying "WORdS WoRDS WORnDS WORtS WORkS WiRDS WORlDS WORlDS WORmS WeRDS"
@All I despise Tom's characterization of Tapping in Predator. Tapping was very transparent and not trying to coerce anyone into doing things. He made some weird moves at the end of the game that got him lynched as VT, mostly out of paranoia. I think he's playing a little more aggressive, but I can't differentiate between it being "new player getting comfortable", "new player with their first ability" and "new player playing first game as scum".
I don't know if I agree about the ETR slip. I think it's confirmation bias rather than an actual slip.
I don't like any of the current wagons and I don't have enough information to start one of my own. ETR is being voted based on a slip, Necarg based off of some frustration that I think is genuine and Tapping is gaining steam because ???. Also for a game this size it feel like way too few people are talking.
It's been 4 days since Hunt promised a quote wall
Nacho hasn't posted in 5 days.
@Iso: Can we get prods on Huntzilla and Nachomamma8? Thanks.
Is being a dick a scumtrait of yours or do you do it as town as well?
It's not being a dick. I use hyperbole to make my points. It becomes even more excessive if someone is doing something I think is ******* stupid. But no matter what you call it, it's a personality trait, not an alignment trait. It's my way of trying to be more efficient ITT.
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@Tom:
Quote from Tom »
i must be way less clear than i think i am. i am talking about tappingstones. you can tell from what comes before.
and no. i am not convinced tapping is town, but i dont really agree with the case against him.
In your original post where you quoted TS:
he spent almost as many posts in that game trying to coerce people as you did promising future content and announcing your v/las
youre both the same person you were in predator.
I assumed the "you" was TS. You are clearly talking about two different players here, which is where my confusion began.
and i get that you don't agree with me on imab, and you can try to talk me out of it if youd like. but im not going to change my vote because "he might be cross-killed anyway"
thats terrible.
You are not understanding. If he is town, he will be sorted out immediately, so perhaps someone should be paying attention. The crosskill point meant that even if he is scum, one team won't know that and probably try to kill him anyway. In either case, there is no reason to go after him today.
Is the gunsmith an investigative role or a gift of a vig shot?
With this in mind, did EtR really scumslip? How?
Also taking note that TS didn't suspect me until I voted for him. He has me in his "Lean Town" category then places me in "Very Lynchable" list in the next post. TS is not looking any better, even with the nice content posts.
Did you miss the part where I said "Consider my vote on DoTArchon"?
I feel the AtE in this post, but something about it bugs me. Kind of like how Wheat tried to explain his bad posts in FF2 Mafia.
AtE?
Bad posts? If the point of the game is to ask questions and cast suspicion, then how are my posts bad if that's what I'm trying to do? Maybe it would be better if I'm lynched. All I seem to be doing is distracting you from finding actual scum. I saw your comment of your vote should be considered to be on me, but why not just vote and get it over with.
The word choice in this post seems strange to me. Ask questions and cast suspicion as opposed to Ask question and determine alignment. The remainder of the post is a continuation of the appeal to emotion.
The gunsmith part is irrelevant to the conversation at this point. My concern is that this post does not have any reason for voting or he's attempting to use his claim as his reasoning for voting me. I'm attempting to clarify and hold someone accountable for their vote.
EtR you've played enough mafia games now to know that voting without reason it is pretty common - especially on page 1.
True, and he should be willing to say it, if that is in fact what it was.
I have no reason not to believe him. And more importantly why the hell did you not look up those roles. It took me like 10 second to find them on the mafiascum wiki (so I guess maybe like a minute tops on google).
You were thorough in your case on imab and didn't even have time for that.
Now at least I can certain your talking crap. Back on the wagon I go.
vote Tomslogger
So you're voting Tom because he didn't look something up? You're hopping to where ever you think something will catch fire with weak reasoning. Vote: Antny223
@Tom - in post #346 you state that you wouldn't defend yourself from an accusation. Why?
I like GJ's post 349 a lot as well. Looking for a response from Necarg
Not trying to make a point, asking because I really don't understand why it could be considered WIFOM. It's a binary choice, either he's lying or he's not. Don't see how it could be circular reasoning.
ive brought this up at least twice now. the only answer he ever gave is "Your question is already answered in a very literal fashion. BECAUSE WIFOM."
its the single thing that makes me scum read him most. why would imab, as town, answer that way?*
Who are you voting? Are you voting IABM?
There is a ridiculous amount of charged language in this post from TS. A lot of it feels exaggerated. You also used inclusive language when talking about yourself in comparison to other people you know are reading as town at this point. I don't like this post.
Is the gunsmith an investigative role or a gift of a vig shot?
With this in mind, did EtR really scumslip? How?
Also taking note that TS didn't suspect me until I voted for him. He has me in his "Lean Town" category then places me in "Very Lynchable" list in the next post. TS is not looking any better, even with the nice content posts.
I'll be on Fallout 4. =]
And DOT didn't start suspecting me until I called him out. Your question has been answered.
Did you miss the part where I said "Consider my vote on DoTArchon"?
I feel the AtE in this post, but something about it bugs me. Kind of like how Wheat tried to explain his bad posts in FF2 Mafia.
AtE?
Bad posts? If the point of the game is to ask questions and cast suspicion, then how are my posts bad if that's what I'm trying to do? Maybe it would be better if I'm lynched. All I seem to be doing is distracting you from finding actual scum. I saw your comment of your vote should be considered to be on me, but why not just vote and get it over with.
The word choice in this post seems strange to me. Ask questions and cast suspicion as opposed to Ask question and determine alignment. The remainder of the post is a continuation of the appeal to emotion.
The gunsmith part is irrelevant to the conversation at this point. My concern is that this post does not have any reason for voting or he's attempting to use his claim as his reasoning for voting me. I'm attempting to clarify and hold someone accountable for their vote.
EtR you've played enough mafia games now to know that voting without reason it is pretty common - especially on page 1.
True, and he should be willing to say it, if that is in fact what it was.
I have no reason not to believe him. And more importantly why the hell did you not look up those roles. It took me like 10 second to find them on the mafiascum wiki (so I guess maybe like a minute tops on google).
You were thorough in your case on imab and didn't even have time for that.
Now at least I can certain your talking crap. Back on the wagon I go.
vote Tomslogger
So you're voting Tom because he didn't look something up? You're hopping to where ever you think something will catch fire with weak reasoning. Vote: Antny223
@Tom - in post #346 you state that you wouldn't defend yourself from an accusation. Why?
I like GJ's post 349 a lot as well. Looking for a response from Necarg
Not trying to make a point, asking because I really don't understand why it could be considered WIFOM. It's a binary choice, either he's lying or he's not. Don't see how it could be circular reasoning.
ive brought this up at least twice now. the only answer he ever gave is "Your question is already answered in a very literal fashion. BECAUSE WIFOM."
its the single thing that makes me scum read him most. why would imab, as town, answer that way?*
Who are you voting? Are you voting IABM?
There is a ridiculous amount of charged language in this post from TS. A lot of it feels exaggerated. You also used inclusive language when talking about yourself in comparison to other people you know are reading as town at this point. I don't like this post.
Tom looked up WIFOM but couldn't be bothered to look up the other stuff it makes sense to scumread Tom for it. Like I said tom's been completely fake in his posts for most of the game.
tappingstones pov reads forced to me. hes trying to do too much with this post.
he builds/expands wagons and buddies up to other players. hell, he does both to me.
now i am seeing a difference in tappingstones.
i especially don't like
I think my case against him is solid enough without that.
calling it "my case"
the whole post reads like he is not so solving the game. just trying to create a lynch.
and without irony, i will add him to the list of people i would be willing to lynch.
and what the hell is the point of looking up what gunsmith and seer do? hes either lying or not. and if he is telling the truth, he could still be scum, he might survive to use them, he might get useful information, he might share it with us.
The fact you didn't look it up is what shows me you don't care. If you don't know what the roles do, how are you meant to know if he's lying or not. Plus if you want to lynch, wouldn't you want to know if your about lynch a powerful role.
Furthermore certain roles would be less likely to be scum. You can't possible work that out without knowing what the roles do.
i dont care. i get that roles are powerful.
but this bull***** about him being town confirmed by claiming is not really acceptable to me. especially because his reason for claiming was "because WIFOM"
he even says we dont know if its true or not!
i never gave a crap about his claim. its how he reacted to it.
i must be way less clear than i think i am. i am talking about tappingstones. you can tell from what comes before.
and no. i am not convinced tapping is town, but i dont really agree with the case against him.
In your original post where you quoted TS:
he spent almost as many posts in that game trying to coerce people as you did promising future content and announcing your v/las
youre both the same person you were in predator.
I assumed the "you" was TS. You are clearly talking about two different players here, which is where my confusion began.
and i get that you don't agree with me on imab, and you can try to talk me out of it if youd like. but im not going to change my vote because "he might be cross-killed anyway"
thats terrible.
You are not understanding. If he is town, he will be sorted out immediately, so perhaps someone should be paying attention. The crosskill point meant that even if he is scum, one team won't know that and probably try to kill him anyway. In either case, there is no reason to go after him today.
@spoiler1: oh sorry. i get it now.
my intention was to be talking to jobie, about tappingstones... and take minor jabs at jobie.
i was town reading both at the time, so this wasnt a super serious post.
@spoiler2: i suppose that makes sense. but if he is scum, lynching him is still a good thing.
im looking for other scum too, but im leaving my vote where it is for now.
@tom Who are you voting? Are you voting IABM? [snip]
@tappingstones
You also used inclusive language when talking about yourself in comparison to other people you know are reading as town at this point. I don't like this post.
yes, im voting imabusinessman.
agree on tapping. see above.
Tom looked up WIFOM but couldn't be bothered to look up the other stuff it makes sense to scumread Tom for it. Like I said tom's been completely fake in his posts for most of the game.
again, looking up wifom makes me understand what youre saying.
and i don't care what your role does.
No it doesn't. If you assume that you know what something means, you don't look it up. You don't know what you don't know.
sort of this too. like, the name of the role is kind of enough information.
i want to say that i also assumed seer was investigative and gunsmith was some sort of attack.
but basically, who cares?
My point, gentlemen, is that we are all speculating on what gunsmith is after the point we realized there was different interpretations. Only the person with the role can tell us what it does.
Is the gunsmith an investigative role or a gift of a vig shot?
With this in mind, did EtR really scumslip? How?
Also taking note that TS didn't suspect me until I voted for him. He has me in his "Lean Town" category then places me in "Very Lynchable" list in the next post. TS is not looking any better, even with the nice content posts.
I'll be on Fallout 4. =]
Put a little effort into the game Zionite. I called you SCUM IN CAPITAL LETTERS and in the next post called you very lynchable. READ THE POST. STOP skimming.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Is the gunsmith an investigative role or a gift of a vig shot?
With Seer being a werewolf-specific Cop, it seems pretty obvious that Gunsmith would be a mafia-specific cop.
Wildfire-We can try to come to concensus on how to use his abilities. Whether he's scum or not I don't he'll risk lynch just to save the abilities that HE claimed on day one. I don't want to lose them to a night lynch if he's town and if he's scum I'd like to force him to use them to help us = )
ETR doesn't address A SINGLE THING in my long post of reads. Just gives a vauge answer that he doesn't like the post. WHAT doesn't he like? He disagrees with ALL my scum and town reads?? Town ETR would have been looking to react to my material case by case or at least focus on a few suspects that he wants to talk about.
Tom does something similar. Says he doesn't like my post. Calls it "forced" but gives no solid explanation. Doesn't react to any of the material or reads. So we've already gotten some fine reactions. All of the suspected scum that have commented have just dismissed it out of hand and said they don't like it (except Zionite who actually lied and misrepped me, too eager to let us know that he will go play a video game instead of scum hunting or working out the game). There's an interesting dilemma with Tom. Everything he says makes people want to vote him but he also posts in a way that I'm sure he'll give up his scum buddies.
how about huntzilla? its been 5 days. and really, its been 10.
@tapping your reads are well researched and you make some good points. i dont agree on zionite or xyre, but nothing youre saying is unreasonable.
nor is it anything earth shattering.
i just think your motivation is more interesting.
how about huntzilla? its been 5 days. and really, its been 10.
@tapping your reads are well researched and you make some good points. i dont agree on zionite or xyre, but nothing youre saying is unreasonable.
nor is it anything earth shattering.
i just think your motivation is more interesting.
Why don't you agree on them? What's my motivation? Why are You spending so much time on Hunt?
i dont think they are scum.
your case on zionite seems to be that hes lazy.
and not sure why you say xyre has been a walking disaster. hes been very meh.
i think your motivation is to make some friends and get a lynch going.
why are you ok with hunt not being here?
i think ive found a handful of scum. and just found a new one in the last 24 hours (hint: its you)
i dont think they are scum.
your case on zionite seems to be that hes lazy.
and not sure why you say xyre has been a walking disaster. hes been very meh.
i think your motivation is to make some friends and get a lynch going.
why are you ok with hunt not being here?
i think ive found a handful of scum. and just found a new one in the last 24 hours (hint: its you)
You just got done saying that my reads are well-researched and make some good points. and that "nothing you're saying is unreasonable" Really? If nothing I said is unreasonable and my reads are well-thoughtout and well-researched than how could that give you a scum read on me. You were safely reading me on town before I made (your words) "a well-researched [post] with good points and nothing unreasonable".
I never said I was ok with Hunt not being here. It's just not that important at the moment.
You're digging a hole pretty deeply right here. I make a post you are highly complimentary of and it moves me from a town read to scum???
You just got done saying that my reads are well-researched and make some good points. and that "nothing you're saying is unreasonable" Really? If nothing I said is unreasonable and my reads are well-thoughtout and well-researched than how could that give you a scum read on me. You were safely reading me on town before I made (your words) "a well-researched [post] with good points and nothing unreasonable".
I never said I was ok with Hunt not being here. It's just not that important at the moment.
You're digging a hole pretty deeply right here. I make a post you are highly complimentary of and it moves me from a town read to scum???
We got him boys = )
VOTE TOM
are you saying that scum cant do research? or that everything they say has to be false?
scum can provide good content too
and no, you didnt say you were cool with hunt being gone. you said "Why are You spending so much time on Hunt?"
it was a single line of text yo.
You just got done saying that my reads are well-researched and make some good points. and that "nothing you're saying is unreasonable" Really? If nothing I said is unreasonable and my reads are well-thoughtout and well-researched than how could that give you a scum read on me. You were safely reading me on town before I made (your words) "a well-researched [post] with good points and nothing unreasonable".
I never said I was ok with Hunt not being here. It's just not that important at the moment.
You're digging a hole pretty deeply right here. I make a post you are highly complimentary of and it moves me from a town read to scum???
We got him boys = )
VOTE TOM
are you saying that scum cant do research? or that everything they say has to be false?
scum can provide good content too
and no, you didnt say you were cool with hunt being gone. you said "Why are You spending so much time on Hunt?"
it was a single line of text yo.
You said I was town and were defending me, then I make a post you say is very good...all of a sudden I'm scum? Did I find too many of your teammates? What else am I to believe? Read what you wrote man.
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The first thing I see is that I have been sigged yet again, excellent.
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Did you miss the part where I said "Consider my vote on DoTArchon"?
I feel the AtE in this post, but something about it bugs me. Kind of like how Wheat tried to explain his bad posts in FF2 Mafia.
AtE?
Bad posts? If the point of the game is to ask questions and cast suspicion, then how are my posts bad if that's what I'm trying to do? Maybe it would be better if I'm lynched. All I seem to be doing is distracting you from finding actual scum. I saw your comment of your vote should be considered to be on me, but why not just vote and get it over with.
The word choice in this post seems strange to me. Ask questions and cast suspicion as opposed to Ask question and determine alignment. The remainder of the post is a continuation of the appeal to emotion.
My point, gentlemen, is that we are all speculating on what gunsmith is after the point we realized there was different interpretations. Only the person with the role can tell us what it does.
Good News: Sir Chris is in the game
Bad News: He's replacing a player a lot of us thought was scum and now we have to throw that read out the window for the short term.
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Actually the best way to see if a Sir Chris is a Scum Chris is just to apply the pressure, you shouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt Jobie I am far too scary for that.
@ Tordeck - Why that reaction? The only time you've seen me I was beating the ever living daylights out of scum (...and TS, RIP) You should rejoice at seeing me replace in! Unless you are VILLAINOUS SCUM.
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Good News: Sir Chris is in the game
Bad News: He's replacing a player a lot of us thought was scum and now we have to throw that read out the window for the short term.
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Why would we throw the scum read out the window? If the slot is scummy, it's scummy. Sir Chris might be able to walk his way out of it, but the alignments don't change with sub ins.
I have not been able to pay any attention to this game for several days, and today is not looking good either. So I apologize. I'm going to try and put in some work tomorrow which I have off.
I just skimmed TappingStones "big" post he was promising though and at least on first impression it doesn't appear he addressed any of the things I was suspicious of him for.
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ETR doesn't address A SINGLE THING in my long post of reads. Just gives a vauge answer that he doesn't like the post. WHAT doesn't he like? He disagrees with ALL my scum and town reads?? Town ETR would have been looking to react to my material case by case or at least focus on a few suspects that he wants to talk about.
Fine, if that's what you want, let's talk about your post. First, I'm going to bold all the times that you use language to paint the picture that you want.
This has been easily the most suspect slot so far. OB's horrific play put him in a position for others to scrutinize him, but the problem is that he doesn't hold up to the scrutiny. #25 VOTES JOBIE and says WF is a good vote too. #26 confirms his vote is not RSV. #29 unvotes Jobie and naked votes GJ. (He's just looking to run someone up. Has no consideration of whether someone is actually scum, just wants to start a wagon.) #36 WF wisely points out OB saying scum is more likely to call out Nacho's announcment than town, but is still voting Jobie. (barn/ this) #76 Says GJ is trying to produce minimal content-scum motivated. Says Zionite is copying his read. Is evasive about axelrod's question. Tries to say it's scummy (this is the start of quite a few attacks where he says anyone who disagrees with him is scum). #87 Dodges Axelrod's question. Admits he hasn't answered the question. (Gives a bogus reason, check it out), again calls question scumy. #96 pointless post #98 links all of Tom's posts without any explanations. #101 Goes at Tom. Unvotes GJ VOTES TOM. Insults Tom's English based on paragraph spacing, capitalization, etc. #109 Very confrontational unvotes, now is on TS. (He's already voted how many people???) Essentially for asking him why he's attacking Tom's English and what mistakes he couldn't understand. #110 Admits he ignored info on Tom "for [his] own reasons". #111 Tom calls out OB for understanding yet saying he didn't understand. (it's unclear to all which posts were supposed to be "unclear/non-native") #112 Says TS is his top scum read.Accuses of "fanning the flames" (actually I was telling him to cut it out/asking what was unclear) #117 Tells me, If I disagreed with his post I shouldn't have commented. (WWHHAATT????) Makes up a wildly conspiratory post of TS's motives. (Is thinking from a scum mindset). #119 OB IMPLODES #120 continues implosion #122 Says Tom and I are opposite scum teams. #127 OB is getting zero support against me so lashes out at the player base. #132 Personal attacks against Tom and I. #149 replaces out. Says I am scum and Tom is a good lynch. Nacho is town. (duh)
Others also saw a scum slip but I think my case against him is solid enough without that. If you believe the scum slip then that's just icing on the cake for me. But I think this argument is pretty solid.
ETR/OceanBlack SCUM lynch or vig if you can.
Nacho- Currently town but I want more participation. We already have Nacho, Seppel, Wildfire, GJ and I to build a solid base around. I'm also feeling good about Jobie but need to see a lot more action and reads.
DOTA #81 Calls out OB on his strange defense. #105 Corretly calls out OB for reading too much into RVS. #107 (very careful)Reads OB as nretral #156 VOTES Tom "Something puts me off", "Gut read" (I DONT LIKE THIS) #303 admits he is too scared to do anything. His words! Town shouldn't be scared.
LEAN SCUM
Necarg #58 Asks a random question. Says he disagrees with GJ and that he has no clear reads. #69 Calls out IABM VOTES IABM. #95 Xyre calls out Necarg as classic meta lurking scum. Gives decent reasoning. #205 Tom is scum. Trying very hard to give minimal input and is a bit nervous IMO.
Lean Scum
Axelrod #32 Asks a pointless question. #56 Asks OB why Jobie was a better vote than wildfire? VOTES XYRE says because "voting someone who probably isn't scum" #80 Says xyre is playing both sides. Clearly demonstrates xyre's suspect idea. #82 Calls out OB on "fixation" comment and strange "Why is my vote a concern?" Points out hostility. Calls out OB's conspiracy theory. #139 Tells OB to chill. Says he's making a mountain out of a molehill. Says he doesn't think OB is scum. (HUH??)
Lean Town-He's just playing poorly. He sees a lot of the scummy play in OB but doesn't want to rock the boat. Timid town (or scum I can't be sure). I'll lean town till I see more.
Zionite #40 Naked VOTES AXELROD. Shows dislike for GJ's no lynch plan. #41 Says Nacho "im town" is not a tell. Wildfire has no case. #63 Says he's voting to "make the mod do more work" (BAD joke, worse vote) Quotes the xyre post about Necarg but doesn't explain. #159 townreads TS, Tom, OB. VOTES TORDECK #300 barns axelrod and votes me #306 asks Tom to defend me, doesn't want to look himself. Particularly bizarre because it's transparent that he doesn't care about the answer. Asking Tom to do work for him. BIZARRE.
SCUM
XYRE #47 votes IABM. Asks how much experience he has. (I hate this vote) #62 Says Necarg is scum. #73 naked votes Necarg. #148 Asks Necarg his opinion of Tom? (trying to gauge the wagon?) #167 reiterates he thinks Necarg and IABM are scum. #301 "likes axelrod's TS post" #321 admits his IABM angle is busted.
Has been a walking disaster most of this game begging for people to vote for him.
Lean Scum proceed with lynch, I will support.
Last scum is between IABM and Tom. We can find this out in short order.
Now, let's look deeper. You present a "case" on me. As you can see by the bolded language choices, you are pushing something that isn't there. OB had a disagreement and you're using that to push a weak case. You did not, at any point in this post describe how those actions were scum motivated, simply that they were.
Next, you present your thoughts on Nacho. You have Nacho as town, but provide quite literally no reasoning for it. You then proceed to group yourself with him and other town reads. This is clearly a buddying attempt.
DoTA, you have leaning scum. I assume the reasoning being that you didn't like a post and that town shouldn't be scared. I'd like more thoughts as to why town wouldn't be scared?
Necarg you have more opinion on, specifically that he is avoiding giving opinion and yet you only have him leaning scum. You have a very similar post for Axel but yet you have him leaning town. And even go so far as to excuse his play. How is Axel playing poorly in your opinion? You also include the possibility that he could be scum, which makes it appear that you are hedging your bets. What has he done that makes you think scum as opposed to timid town?
Zionite you call out as scum for bizarre play. How is Zionite's play to this point more bizarre than say, Tom or Necarg?
Lastly, Xyre is called out for being a "walking disaster" and yet you don't qualify it any more than saying he's been asking people to vote him "all game." How do you reconcile that mindset as scum?
Overall, you are pushing "cases" using charged language as I said before. there is very little factual information and you do not demonstrate how these posts show scum motivation.
I'm also going to Unvote Antny at this point. That vote isn't serving a purpose at this point.
DOTA #81 Calls out OB on his strange defense. #105 Corretly calls out OB for reading too much into RVS. #107 (very careful)Reads OB as nretral #156 VOTES Tom "Something puts me off", "Gut read" (I DONT LIKE THIS) #303 admits he is too scared to do anything. His words! Town shouldn't be scared.
LEAN SCUM
It's my second game, and my first one of this size. Almost everything I've done so far has made people scum read me. So yes, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed and uncertain.
Did you miss the part where I said "Consider my vote on DoTArchon"?
I feel the AtE in this post, but something about it bugs me. Kind of like how Wheat tried to explain his bad posts in FF2 Mafia.
AtE?
Bad posts? If the point of the game is to ask questions and cast suspicion, then how are my posts bad if that's what I'm trying to do? Maybe it would be better if I'm lynched. All I seem to be doing is distracting you from finding actual scum. I saw your comment of your vote should be considered to be on me, but why not just vote and get it over with.
The word choice in this post seems strange to me. Ask questions and cast suspicion as opposed to Ask question and determine alignment. The remainder of the post is a continuation of the appeal to emotion.
I used the term because that is what my experience in this game has been so far, a lot of suspicion aimed my way and very few questions.
Not trying to make a point, asking because I really don't understand why it could be considered WIFOM. It's a binary choice, either he's lying or he's not. Don't see how it could be circular reasoning.
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its the single thing that makes me scum read him most. why would imab, as town, answer that way?*
*he wouldnt
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This has been easily the most suspect slot so far. OB's horrific play put him in a position for others to scrutinize him, but the problem is that he doesn't hold up to the scrutiny. #25 VOTES JOBIE and says WF is a good vote too. #26 confirms his vote is not RSV. #29 unvotes Jobie and naked votes GJ. (He's just looking to run someone up. Has no consideration of whether someone is actually scum, just wants to start a wagon.) #36 WF wisely points out OB saying scum is more likely to call out Nacho's announcment than town, but is still voting Jobie. (barn/ this) #76 Says GJ is trying to produce minimal content-scum motivated. Says Zionite is copying his read. Is evasive about axelrod's question. Tries to say it's scummy (this is the start of quite a few attacks where he says anyone who disagrees with him is scum). #87 Dodges Axelrod's question. Admits he hasn't answered the question. (Gives a bogus reason, check it out), again calls question scumy. #96 pointless post #98 links all of Tom's posts without any explanations. #101 Goes at Tom. Unvotes GJ VOTES TOM. Insults Tom's English based on paragraph spacing, capitalization, etc. #109 Very confrontational unvotes, now is on TS. (He's already voted how many people???) Essentially for asking him why he's attacking Tom's English and what mistakes he couldn't understand. #110 Admits he ignored info on Tom "for [his] own reasons". #111 Tom calls out OB for understanding yet saying he didn't understand. (it's unclear to all which posts were supposed to be "unclear/non-native") #112 Says TS is his top scum read.Accuses of "fanning the flames" (actually I was telling him to cut it out/asking what was unclear) #117 Tells me, If I disagreed with his post I shouldn't have commented. (WWHHAATT????) Makes up a wildly conspiratory post of TS's motives. (Is thinking from a scum mindset). #119 OB IMPLODES #120 continues implosion #122 Says Tom and I are opposite scum teams. #127 OB is getting zero support against me so lashes out at the player base. #132 Personal attacks against Tom and I. #149 replaces out. Says I am scum and Tom is a good lynch. Nacho is town. (duh)
Others also saw a scum slip but I think my case against him is solid enough without that. If you believe the scum slip then that's just icing on the cake for me. But I think this argument is pretty solid.
ETR/OceanBlack SCUM lynch or vig if you can.
Nacho- Currently town but I want more participation. We already have Nacho, Seppel, Wildfire, GJ and I to build a solid base around. I'm also feeling good about Jobie but need to see a lot more action and reads.
DOTA #81 Calls out OB on his strange defense. #105 Corretly calls out OB for reading too much into RVS. #107 (very careful)Reads OB as nretral #156 VOTES Tom "Something puts me off", "Gut read" (I DONT LIKE THIS) #303 admits he is too scared to do anything. His words! Town shouldn't be scared.
LEAN SCUM
Necarg #58 Asks a random question. Says he disagrees with GJ and that he has no clear reads. #69 Calls out IABM VOTES IABM. #95 Xyre calls out Necarg as classic meta lurking scum. Gives decent reasoning. #205 Tom is scum. Trying very hard to give minimal input and is a bit nervous IMO.
Lean Scum
Axelrod #32 Asks a pointless question. #56 Asks OB why Jobie was a better vote than wildfire? VOTES XYRE says because "voting someone who probably isn't scum" #80 Says xyre is playing both sides. Clearly demonstrates xyre's suspect idea. #82 Calls out OB on "fixation" comment and strange "Why is my vote a concern?" Points out hostility. Calls out OB's conspiracy theory. #139 Tells OB to chill. Says he's making a mountain out of a molehill. Says he doesn't think OB is scum. (HUH??)
Lean Town-He's just playing poorly. He sees a lot of the scummy play in OB but doesn't want to rock the boat. Timid town (or scum I can't be sure). I'll lean town till I see more.
Zionite #40 Naked VOTES AXELROD. Shows dislike for GJ's no lynch plan. #41 Says Nacho "im town" is not a tell. Wildfire has no case. #63 Says he's voting to "make the mod do more work" (BAD joke, worse vote) Quotes the xyre post about Necarg but doesn't explain. #159 townreads TS, Tom, OB. VOTES TORDECK #300 barns axelrod and votes me #306 asks Tom to defend me, doesn't want to look himself. Particularly bizarre because it's transparent that he doesn't care about the answer. Asking Tom to do work for him. BIZARRE.
SCUM
XYRE #47 votes IABM. Asks how much experience he has. (I hate this vote) #62 Says Necarg is scum. #73 naked votes Necarg. #148 Asks Necarg his opinion of Tom? (trying to gauge the wagon?) #167 reiterates he thinks Necarg and IABM are scum. #301 "likes axelrod's TS post" #321 admits his IABM angle is busted.
Has been a walking disaster most of this game begging for people to vote for him.
Lean Scum proceed with lynch, I will support.
Last scum is between IABM and Tom. We can find this out in short order.
Your case makes me suspicious because:
a) You only did it because you were called out for not writing any cases. Actions taken hastily like this tend to be attempts to look town rather than having actual town motivations.
b) It reads like "oh crap, I need to justify a scumread. Quick to the ISO button".
c) All you did was interpret the posts. Where's the analyse? Where's the justification for the scumread. None of that was there which is why I neither believe in your case, or believe that you believe it yourself.
The fact you didn't look it up is what shows me you don't care. If you don't know what the roles do, how are you meant to know if he's lying or not. Plus if you want to lynch, wouldn't you want to know if your about lynch a powerful role.
Furthermore certain roles would be less likely to be scum. You can't possible work that out without knowing what the roles do.
For those of us who didn't play Predator mafia what are you alluding to here?
Is being a dick a scumtrait of yours or do you do it as town as well?
Very lynchable:
ETR
Necarg
XYRE
Zionite
Leanscum:
Tomsloger
DOTA
IABM
List is pretty fluid though considering this is day one.
@Antny-What do you thing of my reads?
because i annoyed himto save the gamehe was neutral in predator. shrug.
more words words words after i get some sleep.
Gunsmith = gives the gift of one-shot vig
How these can be misinterpreted is beyond me. Okay never mind. Same. I'll have to look back because I don't even remember this. TappingStones's first post in this matter was an attack on Ocean's character, not on Ocean's behavior. WOOP WOOP DANGER WILL THROBBINSON Believe it or not I can't lynch you with a single vote.
AtE = Appeal to Emotion. Now that you're on the line, you're making plays that appeal to emotions instead of logic. Hey, thanks for linking to it.
Turns out it's not a scumslip. Xyre slipped above, though! I misunderstood the roles, too, so I don't see how this is a slip. You're the third person to ask me about this. Why bother asking at this point? No idea and don't care on both accounts. I like this guy. Nobody cares what you think. P.sure it is. Negarg.
Oh man. Oh man. Look at this: Except Necarg was town in True Name.
Someone in this game just corrected me about that and now GJ is saying this. When have you ever cared as much as you're caring now?
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It's not being a dick. I use hyperbole to make my points. It becomes even more excessive if someone is doing something I think is ******* stupid. But no matter what you call it, it's a personality trait, not an alignment trait. It's my way of trying to be more efficient ITT.
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1). I care what I think.
2). Necarg was scum in True Name, you dopey sod.
3). Don't attack my typos. I was trying to rush that in before I crashed. Work is a *****.
@Tom:
In your original post where you quoted TS:
I assumed the "you" was TS. You are clearly talking about two different players here, which is where my confusion began.
You are not understanding. If he is town, he will be sorted out immediately, so perhaps someone should be paying attention. The crosskill point meant that even if he is scum, one team won't know that and probably try to kill him anyway. In either case, there is no reason to go after him today.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Is the gunsmith an investigative role or a gift of a vig shot?
With this in mind, did EtR really scumslip? How?
Also taking note that TS didn't suspect me until I voted for him. He has me in his "Lean Town" category then places me in "Very Lynchable" list in the next post. TS is not looking any better, even with the nice content posts.
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With Seer being a werewolf-specific Cop, it seems pretty obvious that Gunsmith would be a mafia-specific cop.
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The word choice in this post seems strange to me. Ask questions and cast suspicion as opposed to Ask question and determine alignment. The remainder of the post is a continuation of the appeal to emotion.
True, and he should be willing to say it, if that is in fact what it was.
So you're voting Tom because he didn't look something up? You're hopping to where ever you think something will catch fire with weak reasoning.
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@Tom - in post #346 you state that you wouldn't defend yourself from an accusation. Why?
I like GJ's post 349 a lot as well. Looking for a response from Necarg
Who are you voting? Are you voting IABM?
There is a ridiculous amount of charged language in this post from TS. A lot of it feels exaggerated. You also used inclusive language when talking about yourself in comparison to other people you know are reading as town at this point. I don't like this post.
And DOT didn't start suspecting me until I called him out. Your question has been answered.
Tom looked up WIFOM but couldn't be bothered to look up the other stuff it makes sense to scumread Tom for it. Like I said tom's been completely fake in his posts for most of the game.
I would suggest you read the last two lines of 316.
he builds/expands wagons and buddies up to other players. hell, he does both to me.
now i am seeing a difference in tappingstones.
i especially don't like calling it "my case"
the whole post reads like he is not so solving the game. just trying to create a lynch.
and without irony, i will add him to the list of people i would be willing to lynch.
i dont care. i get that roles are powerful.
but this bull***** about him being town confirmed by claiming is not really acceptable to me. especially because his reason for claiming was "because WIFOM"
he even says we dont know if its true or not!
i never gave a crap about his claim. its how he reacted to it.
@spoiler1: oh sorry. i get it now.
my intention was to be talking to jobie, about tappingstones... and take minor jabs at jobie.
i was town reading both at the time, so this wasnt a super serious post.
@spoiler2: i suppose that makes sense. but if he is scum, lynching him is still a good thing.
im looking for other scum too, but im leaving my vote where it is for now.
yes, im voting imabusinessman.
agree on tapping. see above. again, looking up wifom makes me understand what youre saying.
and i don't care what your role does. sort of this too. like, the name of the role is kind of enough information.
i want to say that i also assumed seer was investigative and gunsmith was some sort of attack.
but basically, who cares?
Hit reply instead of quote.
Put a little effort into the game Zionite. I called you SCUM IN CAPITAL LETTERS and in the next post called you very lynchable. READ THE POST. STOP skimming.
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Wildfire-We can try to come to concensus on how to use his abilities. Whether he's scum or not I don't he'll risk lynch just to save the abilities that HE claimed on day one. I don't want to lose them to a night lynch if he's town and if he's scum I'd like to force him to use them to help us = )
ETR doesn't address A SINGLE THING in my long post of reads. Just gives a vauge answer that he doesn't like the post. WHAT doesn't he like? He disagrees with ALL my scum and town reads?? Town ETR would have been looking to react to my material case by case or at least focus on a few suspects that he wants to talk about.
Tom does something similar. Says he doesn't like my post. Calls it "forced" but gives no solid explanation. Doesn't react to any of the material or reads. So we've already gotten some fine reactions. All of the suspected scum that have commented have just dismissed it out of hand and said they don't like it (except Zionite who actually lied and misrepped me, too eager to let us know that he will go play a video game instead of scum hunting or working out the game). There's an interesting dilemma with Tom. Everything he says makes people want to vote him but he also posts in a way that I'm sure he'll give up his scum buddies.
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@tapping your reads are well researched and you make some good points. i dont agree on zionite or xyre, but nothing youre saying is unreasonable.
nor is it anything earth shattering.
i just think your motivation is more interesting.
Why don't you agree on them? What's my motivation? Why are You spending so much time on Hunt?
When will you scumhunt?
your case on zionite seems to be that hes lazy.
and not sure why you say xyre has been a walking disaster. hes been very meh.
i think your motivation is to make some friends and get a lynch going.
why are you ok with hunt not being here?
i think ive found a handful of scum. and just found a new one in the last 24 hours (hint: its you)
You just got done saying that my reads are well-researched and make some good points. and that "nothing you're saying is unreasonable" Really? If nothing I said is unreasonable and my reads are well-thoughtout and well-researched than how could that give you a scum read on me. You were safely reading me on town before I made (your words) "a well-researched [post] with good points and nothing unreasonable".
I never said I was ok with Hunt not being here. It's just not that important at the moment.
You're digging a hole pretty deeply right here. I make a post you are highly complimentary of and it moves me from a town read to scum???
We got him boys = )
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scum can provide good content too
and no, you didnt say you were cool with hunt being gone. you said "Why are You spending so much time on Hunt?"
it was a single line of text yo.
You said I was town and were defending me, then I make a post you say is very good...all of a sudden I'm scum? Did I find too many of your teammates? What else am I to believe? Read what you wrote man.
I called you scum before I did....remember?
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Okay then it was the other one. Amyrlin Seat? Wait what?? He was scum there too. Okay, I gotta wait for a game in progress.
Well anyway, Necarg isn't acting like his scum self. And I've yet to see his town self.
Investigative role.
And EtR didn't slip. Neither did Antny. I got excited then disappointed in you. He told us already. In the off-chance this is relevant, I will remember it.
Did you guys not learn anything from page 5? (or whatever page it was) Hey we got an upgrade!
Bad News: He's replacing a player a lot of us thought was scum and now we have to throw that read out the window for the short term.
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@ Tordeck - Why that reaction? The only time you've seen me I was beating the ever living daylights out of scum (...and TS, RIP) You should rejoice at seeing me replace in! Unless you are VILLAINOUS SCUM.
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Why would we throw the scum read out the window? If the slot is scummy, it's scummy. Sir Chris might be able to walk his way out of it, but the alignments don't change with sub ins.
That being said, lemme get my adult things done today, expect a post this eve.
What do you think of my T/S reads? What are your reads?
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I just skimmed TappingStones "big" post he was promising though and at least on first impression it doesn't appear he addressed any of the things I was suspicious of him for.
Fine, if that's what you want, let's talk about your post. First, I'm going to bold all the times that you use language to paint the picture that you want.
Now, let's look deeper. You present a "case" on me. As you can see by the bolded language choices, you are pushing something that isn't there. OB had a disagreement and you're using that to push a weak case. You did not, at any point in this post describe how those actions were scum motivated, simply that they were.
Next, you present your thoughts on Nacho. You have Nacho as town, but provide quite literally no reasoning for it. You then proceed to group yourself with him and other town reads. This is clearly a buddying attempt.
DoTA, you have leaning scum. I assume the reasoning being that you didn't like a post and that town shouldn't be scared. I'd like more thoughts as to why town wouldn't be scared?
Necarg you have more opinion on, specifically that he is avoiding giving opinion and yet you only have him leaning scum. You have a very similar post for Axel but yet you have him leaning town. And even go so far as to excuse his play. How is Axel playing poorly in your opinion? You also include the possibility that he could be scum, which makes it appear that you are hedging your bets. What has he done that makes you think scum as opposed to timid town?
Zionite you call out as scum for bizarre play. How is Zionite's play to this point more bizarre than say, Tom or Necarg?
Lastly, Xyre is called out for being a "walking disaster" and yet you don't qualify it any more than saying he's been asking people to vote him "all game." How do you reconcile that mindset as scum?
Overall, you are pushing "cases" using charged language as I said before. there is very little factual information and you do not demonstrate how these posts show scum motivation.
I'm also going to Unvote Antny at this point. That vote isn't serving a purpose at this point.
It's my second game, and my first one of this size. Almost everything I've done so far has made people scum read me. So yes, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed and uncertain.
I used the term because that is what my experience in this game has been so far, a lot of suspicion aimed my way and very few questions.