I'm annoyed at DoTA for lying (not least of which because it complicates tonight a fair bit), but I think he's town.
I'm ready to finish imab off, if Antny's not acceptable to people. He's finally gotten on my last nerve. Then we can have the recipient of my night 3 gift shoot Antny. Hopefully, THAT will get us back on track.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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1)I claimed JK BEFORE Gentleman Johnny claimed Bodyguard.
2) Maybe you missed this but I was using Tordeck's posting restriction to justify why you were the only player with a one shot ability. I finished typing that post up and submitted it before I saw that Seppel also had a one shot.
3) If I had claimed Roleblocker in that first post instead of JK, what do you think would have happened? A Roleblocker, from what I've seen, is traditionally a scum role. I made a mistake that makes me look super scummy and panicked.
Saying the post is scummy is one thing, but trying to make it out as worse than what it is by calling it a evil and an abyssal horror? Call this OMGUS if you want, but I've been wanting to lynch you for a long time now. Vote:Imabusinessman
@Xyre - Sorry for the complication, I hope you can understand why I did it the way I did. Do you think I might be onto something with the possible TS slip?
1)I claimed JK BEFORE Gentleman Johnny claimed Bodyguard.
2) Maybe you missed this but I was using Tordeck's posting restriction to justify why you were the only player with a one shot ability. I finished typing that post up and submitted it before I saw that Seppel also had a one shot.
3) If I had claimed Roleblocker in that first post instead of JK, what do you think would have happened? A Roleblocker, from what I've seen, is traditionally a scum role. I made a mistake that makes me look super scummy and panicked.
Saying the post is scummy is one thing, but trying to make it out as worse than what it is by calling it a evil and an abyssal horror? Call this OMGUS if you want, but I've been wanting to lynch you for a long time now. Vote:Imabusinessman
@Xyre - Sorry for the complication, I hope you can understand why I did it the way I did. Do you think I might be onto something with the possible TS slip?
whoopsie! You appear to have scumslipped again. What townie cares about "looking super scummy"?
Night 1 I watched Sir Chris as I believed he was either 1) lying or 2) a high priority target since he claimed tracker.
If he was lying, how does watching who targets him help?
Night 2 I watched Jobie believing him the most high priority target. Sir Chris target Jobie.
An easy claim to make since Jobie died to a wolf and Sir Chris flipped wolf.
Night 3 I targeted Xyre. Since he was apparently making werewolf bullets I assumed he would be the victim. Xyre was targeted but I will not reveal by who. He can claim that information if he wants.
Xyre's the only one who can confirm his is possibly true...
1. A claimed PR is still likely to be targeted for a kill.
2. So what if it is. If you have these concerns then look through EtR's posting history to verify if what EtR is saying is true. Did EtR indicate or provide clues that Jobie was a high priority target/a townread?
3. Actually the only way Xyre can confirm a role is if he was given a gift by Zionite. Which he hasn't done by the way. Otherwise he has no way of knowing if he was targeted or not.
See I'm not bluffing. Reading and re-reading 2240 reveals all manner of scum intent. DoT is upset because that post is like an onion. It's got layers and layers of scumminess to it.
A townie that wants to stay alive and not be mislynched. Seppel already covered this at the end of day 2 with Wildfire, we have no idea how many players are on each of the scum teams and don't know how many mislynches we can afford before the town has lost.
I've now read two players (DOTA, ETR) mention that only Xyre can or should reveal who targeted him. How can he know who targeted him? And why doesn't it benefit the town to tell us your invedtigatve info? I would think info roles lay low to not get NK, but you let the cat off of the bag already.
@dota why are you cognisant that your post looked so scummy? That seems like a wierd thing for town to be thinking about right now.
It's very hard for me to buy that you really are just bumbling town. Fessing up to your mistakes is good, but these are big mistakes.
@Xyre-Do not reveal who you are gifting, if someone gets Xyre's gift don't out yourself.
I actually like IABM, but I still think ww checking him helps our POE.
A townie that wants to stay alive and not be mislynched. Seppel already covered this at the end of day 2 with Wildfire, we have no idea how many players are on each of the scum teams and don't know how many mislynches we can afford before the town has lost.
I'm the pope. One shot saintmaker. Xyre is a saint (as of N2) and he shouldn't have received notification of this. When someone hammers Xyre, the hammerer dies too. This is pointless because I don't want to lynch Xyre any more.
Just a quick thought. If Xyre is hammered and then pardoned, does the hammerer still die?
My posting level is basically an indicator of how much time I have. I'm not sure where you got the "Antny only tries as a town power role theory" from.
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@Xyre - We're not limiting our options today to just the people you find scummy.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@DOTA- YOu have been HYPER aware of me having a gift from Zionite. You have in fact made four posts in relation to the gift I was given by Zionite. Yet you forget the same gift which Zionite gave Nacho, who you also were trying to make look suspicious. Also why didn't you respond to my last post? I asked about your questionable behavior. Why ignore me?
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
None of these questions should be answered. This is classic scum fishing for tactical information.
Ok, assume I'm scum for a second:
1) How can DotA's previous actions be used as a tactical advantages? (While I'm here what is your current opinion on Dota?)
2) How can EtR previous action be used as a tactical advantage? Furthermore, why should we believe EtR's claim if he refuses to respond?
3) Same question. How could either response offer a tactical advantage. You already asked GJ to protect Axel publicly. Why would asking you to explain your mindset offer any tactical advantage?
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to explain your thoughts on my TS case.
I'm the pope. One shot saintmaker. Xyre is a saint (as of N2) and he shouldn't have received notification of this. When someone hammers Xyre, the hammerer dies too. This is pointless because I don't want to lynch Xyre any more.
Just a quick thought. If Xyre is hammered and then pardoned, does the hammerer still die?
My posting level is basically an indicator of how much time I have. I'm not sure where you got the "Antny only tries as a town power role theory" from.
Seppel, which posts of mine originally made you think I was town?
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
None of these questions should be answered. This is classic scum fishing for tactical information.
@Xyre- Why did DOTA and etr both say that you should or can identify who targeted you? I'm totally lost there.
I'm also saying nothing about that.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
Convenient way to dodge questions you don't like, if you don't mind me saying.
If Luigi is a power role, and so far the name pairings are working out, why is Mario (TappingStones) not?
Cause flavor gaming?
Only player with single shot abilities? Counter to that though, Tordeck was the only player (by the looks of things) that had a posting restriction
Both neutrals only had single shot cop abilities as well. I am not ready to let IMAB off the hook, but I am having a hard time seeing this as something you missed...
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Hey GJ, you should protect Axelrod tonight. Glad we had this talk.
I will, although I doubt it matters who I target.
Only outstanding role claim.
He claimed 1-shot saintmaker, and targeted Zyre.
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Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
-_-.
@IMAB: I picked apart the issues I have with his analysis. While I see the issues you have with it, what possible motive did he have to change his answer? I don't think it's impossible for his jailkeeper to co-exist with mine, considering I die while protecting a role, and even if I was just a doctor, it could still be possible since we could not form a permenet chain of protection. The lie is obviously terrible and every fiber of me is telling me LAL is still a thing, but I am having a hard time seeing a scumDota reveal his lie without any pressure or conflict beforehand.
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
None of these questions should be answered. This is classic scum fishing for tactical information.
@Xyre- Why did DOTA and etr both say that you should or can identify who targeted you? I'm totally lost there.
I'm also saying nothing about that.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
And you expect to win by keeping everyone in the dark? This makes no sense. You aren't going to answer questions from people you don't like? This is looking bad for you and that's coming from someone that's trying to get on board with your plan.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
Convenient way to dodge questions you don't like, if you don't mind me saying.
I do mind, because I don't care what you have to say.
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
None of these questions should be answered. This is classic scum fishing for tactical information.
@Xyre- Why did DOTA and etr both say that you should or can identify who targeted you? I'm totally lost there.
I'm also saying nothing about that.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
And you expect to win by keeping everyone in the dark? This makes no sense. You aren't going to answer questions from people you don't like? This is looking bad for you and that's coming from someone that's trying to get on board with your plan.
This coming from the guy who blatantly ignored questions of others earlier in the game.
If you don't like the fact that Xyre, myself and an unknown third party are not revealing information then you're just going to need to learn to cope. I claimed my role and targets. I provided as much information as I could to validate my role while still hiding information the scum would like to have.
I don't care what you think, either, Tapping. I'm not going to give the scum (that means you) a single piece of information they can use to improve their actions tonight or screw with the town's plans.
So the way I see it, either you can help us lynch scum, or you can stop talking. Either is acceptable in my book. Or, y'know, there's always suicide. But you might not be amenable to that.
@dota why are you cognisant that your post looked so scummy? That seems like a wierd thing for town to be thinking about right now.
It's very hard for me to buy that you really are just bumbling town. Fessing up to your mistakes is good, but these are big mistakes.
@Xyre-Do not reveal who you are gifting, if someone gets Xyre's gift don't out yourself.
I actually like IABM, but I still think ww checking him helps our POE.
As I said, I panicked when I realised I had blocked Nachos using Xyre's gift. I could have just kept quiet about it but when it came time to massclaim I would have been lynched on the spot, same as if I had claimed Roleblocker when I admitted to targeting him. I had my reasons for suspecting Nachos which I have already explained and I've been proven wrong.
You're telling Xyre here not to reveal who he gifts but then further down the page you're berating him for not revealing information? I agree with Xyre's 2274, we should be careful about what information is put into the thread, town is nowhere near an auto win scenario at this point.
@TappingStones
@DoTArchon
@Seppel
@Axelrod
@Nachomamma8
@Xyre
@Antny223
@Gentleman Johnny
Which aspect of post 2240 came from a town mindset? The arbitrary "Manders Check" Dot asks Seppel to do on Nachomamma instead of doing it himself?
If Seppel hadn't done it earlier with EtR I wouldn't even have known what a Manders Check was. Seppel is more experienced than I am and knows what to look for, which is why I asked if he would do it.
The part where DoT confesses that he thought Tordeck was a Power Role hiding behind a posting restriction?
You've lost me here, I never said I thought Tordeck had a power role. I said that he was the only player with a posting restriction. I started typing up that post before Seppel also claimed a 1 shot ability, and I referenced my notes for the neutrals which only had their character names and role names.
The convoluted thought process for justifying a roleblock of Nachomamma8? The part where he misreps why people are thinking Nachomamma was town (role vs behavior).
Hypothetical: You come across a seldom used role that screams town. You claim it on day 1 with sound reasoning as to why you're claiming. You begin directing town away from players they want lynched(Tom, Tapping) and never have to actually use the ability because the players you want lynched are being lynched.
This was my thought process. It's fairly straightforward and would be an impressive gambit if pulled off if you're scum. You could be submitting the nightkills and no one would investigate you since you're confirmed town. Seppel is right though in that his is the only ability that would require there to be a twilight, so I've admitted that I was wrong to suspect him.
I said I wouldn't... and yet you didn't go off and do it yourself. You should do it.
@Antny: At some point, someone had to have triggered you into playing the game. I remember you doing absolutely nothing until people heckled you too much. I was really expecting you to replace out and give us someone good. Is that what caused your turn of face?
Someone else asked me something at some point but phone lol. So please don't be Iso and repeat yourself.
Who was at L-1? IMAB? That seems really preemptive this early in the game day. Who here actually thinks IMAB was gloating about having already won at the end of yesterDay?
Xyre is continuing gis bad play. Attempting to throw the game to scum. Why in God's name would he point out that he gifted Axelrod?
He says he doesn't want to give info to scum but that was the most vital information he had available to him. If town has LVP Xyre will be getting that award.
On to people who are actually playing the game reasonably.
@Nacho-I'm going to have to ask for your participation at this stage of the game. Xyre is likely to push mislynches(as town) from here on out. Who are likely scum teams at this point?
I'd like to go through either etr or dota. IABM continues to be a nice target for ww kill/clear.
Who was at L-1? IMAB? That seems really preemptive this early in the game day. Who here actually thinks IMAB was gloating about having already won at the end of yesterDay?
1. Yes it was a fast wagon, especially in light of how many scum are left. Especially in light of how the only per who has ever cased me was EtR and even then that case was weak. Scum obviously push this wagon. On a particular note...Xyre has hopped on me for three days straight without actually explaining in any way how I'm scum and has tried to masquerade his votes as "he's not helpful".
2. Yes Axelrod actually believed that and that's why I said I pity him. I don't think he's scum. Like I'm gonna quote Superintendent Chalmers: The rod up his ass must have a rod up it's ass.
Xyre is continuing gis bad play. Attempting to throw the game to scum. Why in God's name would he point out that he gifted Axelrod?
He says he doesn't want to give info to scum but that was the most vital information he had available to him. If town has LVP Xyre will be getting that award.
On to people who are actually playing the game reasonably.
@Nacho-I'm going to have to ask for your participation at this stage of the game. Xyre is likely to push mislynches(as town) from here on out. Who are likely scum teams at this point?
I'd like to go through either etr or dota. IABM continues to be a nice target for ww kill/clear.
@Axelrod Can you piece together your t/s?
1. Xyre's play has been beyond awful for most of the game. The only reason people are townreading him is because of his role which he's waving around like it's an innocent child or Mason when it's not. There's no reason for anyone to townread his slot based on behavior. I'm calling it now...Town can't win with him alive.
2. And the attempts at trying to direct the night actions is all kinds of atrocious too. I just can't see his play as town.
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
There could be a stipulation in his role that he must use it or be modkilled i.e. compulsive. I didn't read Nacho as confirmed town for his role as governor AND I'm not treating Axel as confirmed town for his role. My townreads are all based on behavior.
In the one game I moderated on this forum I specifically created a compulsive role for scum to make sure it got used and also included a scum-double voter. On a secondary note I don't like Xyre waving his role around like he deserves to be treated like confirmed town. It feels like scum justifying a get out of jail free card.
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
There could be a stipulation in his role that he must use it or be modkilled i.e. compulsive. I didn't read Nacho as confirmed town for his role as governor AND I'm not treating Axel as confirmed town for his role. My townreads are all based on behavior.
In the one game I moderated on this forum I specifically created a compulsive role for scum to make sure it got used and also included a scum-double voter. On a secondary note I don't like Xyre waving his role around like he deserves to be treated like confirmed town. It feels like scum justifying a get out of jail free card.
That seems like a stretch IABM. Compulsive role? is that a common enough thing that we could be trying to play around it right now? Xyre is playing "knucklehead mafia" right now but don't follow him down the rabbit hole.
@IMAB: I get where you are coming from, but that still feels like a stretch for Xyre. I have also seen few games where a scum double voter existed, at someone got salty. Last multi ball game comes to mind...
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
If there weren't blatant mirror roles in this setup, Xyre would still be on the top of my scumlist.
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
If there weren't blatant mirror roles in this setup, Xyre would still be on the top of my scumlist.
You bring up a good point and I'm interested. At what point should behavior override set-up? I've only played in a couple of games. So I have to take people's word for most of this.
@Seppel-Since Xyre doesn't want to act like town can you try and explain why a town Xyre would reveal that he gave the gift to Axelrod and then tell someone to protect Axel? Wouldn't he have been better protected if no one knew he had the gift? I can't imagine him being a high NK target...until Xyre outed him like that? I mean GJ tries to protect him and dota or other can roleblock/jail GJ and just kill Axel right?
@IMAB: His role is a claimed mirror of Zionite's own. How could you not read his role as town, regardless of his behavior (which I would still put top half of the current players alive)?
If there weren't blatant mirror roles in this setup, Xyre would still be on the top of my scumlist.
@Tapiing: You've had plenty to say about Antny's case on you, but completely ignored EtR's reread. Why is that?
Etr's game consisted of lurking and relentlessly posting that catch ups are coming.
I have zero confidence in Etr. If he's town he hasn't paid enough attention or kept involved for me to want to reply.
On a seerate note if GJ is scum we likely lose this game based on how weak the remaining town players are at scum hunting. Outside of Nacho I'm not very confident in the remaining rabble.
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
None of these questions should be answered. This is classic scum fishing for tactical information.
@Xyre- Why did DOTA and etr both say that you should or can identify who targeted you? I'm totally lost there.
I'm also saying nothing about that.
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
And you expect to win by keeping everyone in the dark? This makes no sense.
You aren't going to answer questions from people you don't like? This is looking bad for you and that's coming from someone that's trying to get on board with your plan.
@TappingStones - You didn't want to respond to EtR's case on you because you have no confidence in him (and you are now casing him), yet when Xyre decides to ignore his scumreads you blast him for it. Why is that?
Look at the image in post 2247. He eats kittens, wears a scumbag steve hat, and shot Tordeck.
Haha. DoT's gonna keep roleblocking our investigation roles "on accident".
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2) Maybe you missed this but I was using Tordeck's posting restriction to justify why you were the only player with a one shot ability. I finished typing that post up and submitted it before I saw that Seppel also had a one shot.
3) If I had claimed Roleblocker in that first post instead of JK, what do you think would have happened? A Roleblocker, from what I've seen, is traditionally a scum role. I made a mistake that makes me look super scummy and panicked.
Saying the post is scummy is one thing, but trying to make it out as worse than what it is by calling it a evil and an abyssal horror? Call this OMGUS if you want, but I've been wanting to lynch you for a long time now.
Vote:Imabusinessman
@Xyre - Sorry for the complication, I hope you can understand why I did it the way I did. Do you think I might be onto something with the possible TS slip?
whoopsie! You appear to have scumslipped again. What townie cares about "looking super scummy"?
1. A claimed PR is still likely to be targeted for a kill.
2. So what if it is. If you have these concerns then look through EtR's posting history to verify if what EtR is saying is true. Did EtR indicate or provide clues that Jobie was a high priority target/a townread?
3. Actually the only way Xyre can confirm a role is if he was given a gift by Zionite. Which he hasn't done by the way. Otherwise he has no way of knowing if he was targeted or not.
See I'm not bluffing. Reading and re-reading 2240 reveals all manner of scum intent. DoT is upset because that post is like an onion. It's got layers and layers of scumminess to it.
@dota why are you cognisant that your post looked so scummy? That seems like a wierd thing for town to be thinking about right now.
It's very hard for me to buy that you really are just bumbling town. Fessing up to your mistakes is good, but these are big mistakes.
@Xyre-Do not reveal who you are gifting, if someone gets Xyre's gift don't out yourself.
I actually like IABM, but I still think ww checking him helps our POE.
Lol. This is so lazy. Let me help...
See how easy that was?
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Just a quick thought. If Xyre is hammered and then pardoned, does the hammerer still die?
My posting level is basically an indicator of how much time I have. I'm not sure where you got the "Antny only tries as a town power role theory" from.
@Dota - Please claim all your actions for all nights.
@Xyre - We're not limiting our options today to just the people you find scummy.
@EtR - Please claim who (if anyone) targetted Xyre last night.
@Xyre, GJ - Can one of you explain to me why a double voter is worth protecting over anyone else?
I don't know who I want lynched.
@DoTArchon
@Seppel
@Axelrod
@Nachomamma8
@Xyre
@Antny223
@Gentleman Johnny
Which aspect of post 2240 came from a town mindset? The arbitrary "Manders Check" Dot asks Seppel to do on Nachomamma instead of doing it himself? The part where DoT confesses that he thought Tordeck was a Power Role hiding behind a posting restriction? The convoluted thought process for justifying a roleblock of Nachomamma8? The part where he misreps why people are thinking Nachomamma was town (role vs behavior). Was it the unnecessary shade he was throwing at EtR? Was it the hyper self-conscious mentioning of admitting that roleblocking someone who had not one, but two items looking really scummy? Or maybe it's the fact that he discredits flavor gaming and then casting shade at EtR and Nachomamma for their flavor? Pretend this is my first game of mafia and explain to me how any one aspect of post 2240 could have come from a townie. I've post this entire paragraph as a link to the post in question in case maybe I'm the only one who's actually read 2240 and analyzed it's content.
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
@Xyre- Why did DOTA and etr both say that you should or can identify who targeted you? I'm totally lost there.
Ok, assume I'm scum for a second:
1) How can DotA's previous actions be used as a tactical advantages? (While I'm here what is your current opinion on Dota?)
2) How can EtR previous action be used as a tactical advantage? Furthermore, why should we believe EtR's claim if he refuses to respond?
3) Same question. How could either response offer a tactical advantage. You already asked GJ to protect Axel publicly. Why would asking you to explain your mindset offer any tactical advantage?
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to explain your thoughts on my TS case.
Seppel, which posts of mine originally made you think I was town?
Right now, I think we can still lose unless we quickly eliminate one scum team, which means this night is critical. So we need to think very carefully about what information (or misinformation) we let out into the world, and who asks the questions. So until further notice, I'm basically ignoring everything my scum suspects say/ask.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Convenient way to dodge questions you don't like, if you don't mind me saying.
Cause flavor gaming?
Both neutrals only had single shot cop abilities as well. I am not ready to let IMAB off the hook, but I am having a hard time seeing this as something you missed...
I will, although I doubt it matters who I target.
He claimed 1-shot saintmaker, and targeted Zyre.
-_-.
@IMAB: I picked apart the issues I have with his analysis. While I see the issues you have with it, what possible motive did he have to change his answer? I don't think it's impossible for his jailkeeper to co-exist with mine, considering I die while protecting a role, and even if I was just a doctor, it could still be possible since we could not form a permenet chain of protection. The lie is obviously terrible and every fiber of me is telling me LAL is still a thing, but I am having a hard time seeing a scumDota reveal his lie without any pressure or conflict beforehand.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
And you expect to win by keeping everyone in the dark? This makes no sense. You aren't going to answer questions from people you don't like? This is looking bad for you and that's coming from someone that's trying to get on board with your plan.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
This coming from the guy who blatantly ignored questions of others earlier in the game.
Dance, scum, dance.
So the way I see it, either you can help us lynch scum, or you can stop talking. Either is acceptable in my book. Or, y'know, there's always suicide. But you might not be amenable to that.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
You're telling Xyre here not to reveal who he gifts but then further down the page you're berating him for not revealing information? I agree with Xyre's 2274, we should be careful about what information is put into the thread, town is nowhere near an auto win scenario at this point.
If Seppel hadn't done it earlier with EtR I wouldn't even have known what a Manders Check was. Seppel is more experienced than I am and knows what to look for, which is why I asked if he would do it. You've lost me here, I never said I thought Tordeck had a power role. I said that he was the only player with a posting restriction. I started typing up that post before Seppel also claimed a 1 shot ability, and I referenced my notes for the neutrals which only had their character names and role names. Hypothetical: You come across a seldom used role that screams town. You claim it on day 1 with sound reasoning as to why you're claiming. You begin directing town away from players they want lynched(Tom, Tapping) and never have to actually use the ability because the players you want lynched are being lynched.
This was my thought process. It's fairly straightforward and would be an impressive gambit if pulled off if you're scum. You could be submitting the nightkills and no one would investigate you since you're confirmed town. Seppel is right though in that his is the only ability that would require there to be a twilight, so I've admitted that I was wrong to suspect him.
@Antny: At some point, someone had to have triggered you into playing the game. I remember you doing absolutely nothing until people heckled you too much. I was really expecting you to replace out and give us someone good. Is that what caused your turn of face?
Someone else asked me something at some point but phone lol. So please don't be Iso and repeat yourself.
Who was at L-1? IMAB? That seems really preemptive this early in the game day. Who here actually thinks IMAB was gloating about having already won at the end of yesterDay?
He says he doesn't want to give info to scum but that was the most vital information he had available to him. If town has LVP Xyre will be getting that award.
On to people who are actually playing the game reasonably.
@Nacho-I'm going to have to ask for your participation at this stage of the game. Xyre is likely to push mislynches(as town) from here on out. Who are likely scum teams at this point?
I'd like to go through either etr or dota. IABM continues to be a nice target for ww kill/clear.
@Axelrod Can you piece together your t/s?
1. Yes it was a fast wagon, especially in light of how many scum are left. Especially in light of how the only per who has ever cased me was EtR and even then that case was weak. Scum obviously push this wagon. On a particular note...Xyre has hopped on me for three days straight without actually explaining in any way how I'm scum and has tried to masquerade his votes as "he's not helpful".
2. Yes Axelrod actually believed that and that's why I said I pity him. I don't think he's scum. Like I'm gonna quote Superintendent Chalmers: The rod up his ass must have a rod up it's ass.
1. Xyre's play has been beyond awful for most of the game. The only reason people are townreading him is because of his role which he's waving around like it's an innocent child or Mason when it's not. There's no reason for anyone to townread his slot based on behavior. I'm calling it now...Town can't win with him alive.
2. And the attempts at trying to direct the night actions is all kinds of atrocious too. I just can't see his play as town.
Actually, question for you:
IMAB made a decent post towards why Dota is scum, what did you think about it, or what parts do you dislike about it?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Is this to me or Antny?
There could be a stipulation in his role that he must use it or be modkilled i.e. compulsive. I didn't read Nacho as confirmed town for his role as governor AND I'm not treating Axel as confirmed town for his role. My townreads are all based on behavior.
In the one game I moderated on this forum I specifically created a compulsive role for scum to make sure it got used and also included a scum-double voter. On a secondary note I don't like Xyre waving his role around like he deserves to be treated like confirmed town. It feels like scum justifying a get out of jail free card.
That seems like a stretch IABM. Compulsive role? is that a common enough thing that we could be trying to play around it right now? Xyre is playing "knucklehead mafia" right now but don't follow him down the rabbit hole.
@IMAB: I get where you are coming from, but that still feels like a stretch for Xyre. I have also seen few games where a scum double voter existed, at someone got salty. Last multi ball game comes to mind...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
I mean you should be trying to connect the dots and produce lynches right now. Not aggravate other players and push mislynches.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Where is the IABM post on DOTA? I'll check it out and give my feedback.
Can you check out interactions between etr and dota today?
I'm going to present the etr case in-depth today but dota needs to be cased as well.
You bring up a good point and I'm interested. At what point should behavior override set-up? I've only played in a couple of games. So I have to take people's word for most of this.
@Seppel-Since Xyre doesn't want to act like town can you try and explain why a town Xyre would reveal that he gave the gift to Axelrod and then tell someone to protect Axel? Wouldn't he have been better protected if no one knew he had the gift? I can't imagine him being a high NK target...until Xyre outed him like that? I mean GJ tries to protect him and dota or other can roleblock/jail GJ and just kill Axel right?
Are there blatant mirror roles? I don't think I've seen any.
We have Jobie. He found Town/Not Town while Tomsloger found Mafia/Not Mafia.
My roles abilities are Find werewolf/Find someone with a Gun.
2. My scumreads are also all based on behavior.
Do you base not trust based on the logic they present or is it because you scumread them?
@Xyre
Let's try that again.
Do you decide you don't trust someone based on the logic they present or is it because you scumread them?