Can you win after your death if the whole mafia team dies?
i would consider that a moral victory, but nothing more.
unfortunately, i think this is probably pretty good for the mafia unless imab is a godfather or something.
i mean, my role was meant to balance them out in some way. and it not only failed to catch one, but possibly directed the next days lynch to the other scum team.
good thing we got one Day 1
i would consider that a moral victory, but nothing more.
unfortunately, i think this is probably pretty good for the mafia unless imab is a godfather or something.
i mean, my role was meant to balance them out in some way. and it not only failed to catch one, but possibly directed the next days lynch to the other scum team.
good thing we got one Day 1
I mean, as the town, *we* want to catch both teams. If IMAB is scum and we lynch him tomorrow, that's a net win.
You are certain you can't win posthumously? Normal town and mafia players can win with their team if their team wins, despite dying.
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i would consider that a moral victory, but nothing more.
unfortunately, i think this is probably pretty good for the mafia unless imab is a godfather or something.
i mean, my role was meant to balance them out in some way. and it not only failed to catch one, but possibly directed the next days lynch to the other scum team.
good thing we got one Day 1
I mean, as the town, *we* want to catch both teams. If IMAB is scum and we lynch him tomorrow, that's a net win.
You are certain you can't win posthumously? Normal town and mafia players can win with their team if their team wins, despite dying.
He claimed town aligned neutral, yes? Then he probably has an alternate win con if he's truthful.
i am certain. thats one of the things that i got clarified yesterday.
i also asked a question about league scoring despite not being in league and this not being a league game. but its cool someone else cared about my other question
i am certain. thats one of the things that i got clarified yesterday.
i also asked a question about league scoring despite not being in league and this not being a league game. but its cool someone else cared about my other question
Okay, so even if you're truthful about your role you have no incentive to actually help the town at this point, so if you DID have a gun but still felt like getting imab spitelynched you have no reason not to.
Cool.
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tomsloger (8): Jobie, Seppel, Antny223, Axelrod, Gentleman Johnny, TappingStones, imabusinessman, Wildfire393 (L-0)
Sir Chris (1): Xyre
Wildfire393 (1): DoTArchon
Sir Chris (1): Nachomamma8
imabusinessman (1): tomsloger
That is a lynch.
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tomsloger waded through the crowds conspicuously. I mean, really, who wouldn't notice the guy with the white hood tapping people's shoulders as he passed by?
But he had his eyes set on his mission from the Vatican.
"Take them out."
Suddenly, someone noticed tom's antics, and he jumped into a hay cart to hide. The villager gathered a mob and a torch in no time flat, and set the hay cart on fire. tom's screams echoed throughout the town square.
Xenophobia was the flavor of the Day.
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tomsloger has been lynched. He was Ezio, Neutral Assassin. It is now Night 2. Night actions are due within 72 hours of this post.
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Nachomamma practically confirmed town for pushing for both Huntzilla and Sir Chris very strongly. Need to do some wagon/and game analysis tomorrow for sure.
Rather surprised Jobie went so hard for tom without considering the possibility they might have similar roles. Very weird. Also surprised the mafia killed Chris - suggests they actually thought he was town and were worried he'd figure them out. That doesn't sound like TappingStones, but that definitely sounds like Wildfire. And Zionite's still probably not a werewolf after all the ***** Chris put him through, so maybe a Zionite - Wildfire mafia team.
I knew Chris was scum. I am tickled that it appears the Mafia scum really did feel the need to off him.
I hope there are no more "Neutral" people also. Two is already a lot for a multi-scum game.
I think it is entirely possible imab is lying about his role. But also possible he's lying and still Town? He strikes me as that kind of player.
I would go back to Zionite, but for his mysterious "gift" giving of the night before. I don't know what it is, and I rather suspect it doesn't make him auto-Town, but it might mean he's not the best person to start with today.
I think there's probably a lot to go work with now, so I'm going to try and take some time and do that before voting anyone.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Rather surprised Jobie went so hard for tom without considering the possibility they might have similar roles. Very weird. Also surprised the mafia killed Chris - suggests they actually thought he was town and were worried he'd figure them out. That doesn't sound like TappingStones, but that definitely sounds like Wildfire. And Zionite's still probably not a werewolf after all the ***** Chris put him through, so maybe a Zionite - Wildfire mafia team.
But first things first:
Vote imabusinessman
What team am I on and substantiate why. I'm looking forward to seeing this.
That's not my job. My job is to say "imab very likely lied about his investigation of tomsloger, so we should murder him". Your job is to say why we shouldn't murder you.
It is worth pointing out that Chris lied about his name. He claimed "Kate" when asked. A google search reveals that "Catalina" is the name of a werewolf character from a novel called "Alucard" which I have never heard of before. Combine that with "Cousin Vinny" being Mafia, and we can conclude that (at least some)(scum) names are not entirely unrelated to their characters.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It is worth pointing out that Chris lied about his name. He claimed "Kate" when asked. A google search reveals that "Catalina" is the name of a werewolf character from a novel called "Alucard" which I have never heard of before. Combine that with "Cousin Vinny" being Mafia, and we can conclude that (at least some)(scum) names are not entirely unrelated to their characters.
My notes so far:
Antny223 - Andrei
Axelrod -
DoTArchon - Michaelangelo
EtR - Ninjara
Gentleman Johnny -
Huntz - Cousin Vinny (Mafia)
Imabusinessman - Vladimir
Jobie - Claimed Abraham: Van Helsing (Neutral)
Nachomamma8 - Casey
Seppel -
Sir Chris -Catalina (Werewolf)
TappingStones -
Tomsloger - Ezzio (Neutral)
Tordeck - Benito (Town)
Vaimes - April (Town)
Wildfire393 - Lacramioara {Romanian for Lily of the Valley}
Xyre - Leonardo
Zionite - Raphael
Exactly two kills again (with the same flavor as the previous night's) means we almost certainly aren't looking at a vig this game, unless whoever it is has been either extremely cautious or extremely unlucky with their shot(s). A cross-scum kill is very handy for us though.
Surprised Chris was scum, but I did call him getting cross-killed as scum, so not surprised to find him dead.
With two townish neutrals gone, I imagine the rest of the "town" is actual town-aligned. Assuming scum-teams of three, that would make for 8 townies, 2 werewolves, and 2 mafiosos left alive.
I've got to look back at chris's day one wagon and see if there's anyone who both wasn't on it but also wasn't openly defending him. His team's likely to be hiding there. Huntzilla's team is probably split between people who were latecomers on his wagon and people who missed it. More analysis to come when I've got the time.
Imab is kind of the question of the day though. Tom claims he definitely didn't have a gun. There's no real way to verify that, but he did flip what he claimed, or at least it appears so.
Would scum so openly lie just to mislynch a player who was claimed non-town, out of investigations, and had half the town on them without any assistance?
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On what Earth do you think his claim is real? He is essentially claiming an identical role (or at least half of one) to IMAB. IMAB claimed his shot was gunsmith, I think. Tom is claiming his is called assassin. One of them has to be lying, and the lack of counterclaim on Tom's straight up counterclaim bothers me.
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GJ, I cannot stress this enough: Gunsmith finds people with guns. Even if it's similar to finding mafia, it's not quite the same. I will not get false positives on Millers. And I will be able to find Godfather's who are normally immune to cops.
Will make this more readable later and with significant points only but:
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The current tl;dr that I think Vaimes's three major suspects - Sir Chris, Zionite, Wildfire, all have decent to great chances of being scum. Going to go into the latter two in depth when I get a chance (might not do this for a while; busy weekend planned), but I wouldn't cry if people started voting Sir Chris in my absence.
As for governor targets, I'd like the chance to reanalyze them and will hopefully do that sooner rather than later. Don't lynch before I do this, please.
Barn this so hard. Whomever killed Vaimes was due to paranoia. Whomever killed Tordeck was due to incompetence/inexperience. Speaking of which, Seppel definitely not on team werewolf. I did not investigate Seppel with my ability. There's no way he would have allowed the kill on Tordeck. He called out Tor's posting restriction as fake and said Tor being useless is his town M.O. Scum don't kill useless townies.
Point blank Tom, I despite that IMAB had time to post a pic, but not what his results were. That combined with your Zeal towards him yesterday is giving me room for doubt.
I'm not liking IABM starting the day with a photo post VLA and not telling us his night action, not a fan at all.
@All-In what world does Tom not get lynched?
Why should I hammer when obvious scum is obvious? There are things I would like to commment on that I won't get a chance to if I hammered. And if I posted my results Tom would definitely have been lynched by now (That's called foreshadowing btw). Town care about solving things. You know this right? Last time I checked Day one was a month and Day two is unlimited. Why are you people in such a rush to end the day and minimize discussion?
If the parallel role to Tom's - i.e. the "Neutral" person who only wants to kill Werewolves but otherwise is totally Town aligned - wants to reveal themselves I will consider the possibility that Tom is not completely BSing. Up to you.
Why would someone's who's goal it is to eliminate werewolves expose themselves? Not that it really matters because Tom's role is fake.
we can all agree that imab stopping by to post a picture but not tell us his night actions is either scummy or just douchey, right?
my money is on both, but whatevs
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
except the part where his last vla was due to frustration, not an actual vla.
once you openly abuse the notion of a vla, you dont get the benefit of the doubt for your next one.
Sorry for having a job with mandatory overtime during the busiest health insurance season of the year. You did see the part where OPEN ENROLLMENT SEASON is almost two months right? If I had time to make 500 posts a day such as yourself then it wouldn't be an issue. I got tired of skipping breaks to read this game only to see your scummy posts on every page and then to be confronted with the horror that Nachomamma is going to babysit you to keep you alive as long as possible. I could just as easily have called a three week V/la.
Running me up is pointless. I've already claimed and confirmed it. Granted, the claim was a breadcrumb and only nacho knows what my role does.
Lets lynch wildfire.
oh i forgot about that.
yeah, xyre/wildfire's case on zionite would have to be real good. and could still be invalidated by nacho/zionite giving more info.
chris, wildfire, imab, and antny all seem like much better lynches. hell, im probably better than zionite at this point.
Look carefully at Tom's ok to lynch list and compare it to the wagon that was on Huntzilla...
Sir Chris (4): Nachomamma8, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (10): TappingStones, Sir Chris, Zionite, Seppel, Gentleman Johnny, Wildfire393, tomsloger, Tordeck, Axelrod, Xyre (L-0)
That is a lynch. We are now in Twilight.
And antny was on that wagon symbollically. Basically Tom's entire "ok to lynch" list includes everyone who was voting to lynch mafia-huntzilla and his confirmation that I'm not mafia. That's not the behavior of someone who's trying to "eliminate all the mafia".
BTW I investigated tomsloger with my gunsmith ability and he has a gun.
Halfway through the first post Imab agrees with Seppel that something is bothering him about Wildfire, then several posts later, without mentioning why, Wildfire is practically confirmed town. Also noteworthy that his "investigative" result is added as an afterthought at the end of the long post that doesn't really say much. I'm inclined to believe that Tom wasn't lying about Iso confirming he didn't have a gun. Which means the only way Imab would know that I'm not a wolf is if he is...
Tom was kind enough to provide a vote count right before Chris claimed:
current vote count:
Sir Chris (8): Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Zionite, Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
Xyre (3): Seppel, Wildfire393, Jobie
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (1): TappingStones
Zionite (1): Axelrod
imabusinessman (1): Tordeck
Jobie (1): Sir Chris
EtR (1): Antny223
Which is all 18 players voting.
current vote count:
Sir Chris (8): Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Zionite, Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
Xyre (3): Seppel, Wildfire393, Jobie
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (1): TappingStones
Zionite (1): Axelrod
imabusinessman (1): Tordeck
Jobie (1): Sir Chris
EtR (1): Antny223
I know is town
I suspect is town based on abilities
Mafia
Werewolf
Neutral
From that I'd suspect Seppel, Axelrod, and/or Antny of being Werewolf. Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, DoTA top picks for Mafia. Though I need some more research to narrow this down.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It is worth pointing out that Chris lied about his name. He claimed "Kate" when asked. A google search reveals that "Catalina" is the name of a werewolf character from a novel called "Alucard" which I have never heard of before. Combine that with "Cousin Vinny" being Mafia, and we can conclude that (at least some)(scum) names are not entirely unrelated to their characters.
My notes so far:
Antny223 - Andrei
Axelrod -
DoTArchon - Michaelangelo
EtR - Ninjara
Gentleman Johnny -
Huntz - Cousin Vinny (Mafia)
Imabusinessman - Vladimir
Jobie - Claimed Abraham: Van Helsing (Neutral)
Nachomamma8 - Casey
Seppel -
Sir Chris -Catalina (Werewolf)
TappingStones -
Tomsloger - Ezzio (Neutral)
Tordeck - Benito (Town)
Vaimes - April (Town)
Wildfire393 - Lacramioara {Romanian for Lily of the Valley}
Xyre - Leonardo
Zionite - Raphael
Also, I'll go ahead and reveal I'm the last Ninja Turtle name - Donatello
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'd wager it's in the realm of "inventor" since Nacho got a gift from him, but it's up to Nacho to confirm the nature of the gift (if he wants to), or if anyone wants to make a similar claim today.
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You would believe "I don't have a gun" from an assassin?! If the scum that's not on tom's team would like to kill the opposite faction, please start with johnny.
If you really felt that strongly about me being scum, why was your shot not targeted at me?
Vote IMAB. No way this guy is telling the truth. Etr's back and forth with Tom looks terrible before the end of yesterday. If Tom flipped mafia/werewolf, nothing he would have said would be obvious. Tom was litterally dead, with Nacho not pardoning him, so he was incapable of fear mongering. In order for IMAB to not be scum, I would have to strongly believe Tom didn't spitefully lie to get him lynched.
It is likely there is at least one other neutral, due to Jobie's rolename. That, or Tom really did get the short end of the stick.
It is likely there is at least one other neutral, due to Jobie's rolename. That, or Tom really did get the short end of the stick.
What makes you think that? If Tom was an Assassin that's anti-mafia and Jobie an Exterminator that's anti-werewolf, what makes you think there would be a third?
I think it took it literally as in "neutral exterminator" as in, hunts the neutrals. If he really had the other side of the coin, why would he not claim that, and why would his ability not function like Tom's: he claimed he just found out if his target was town or not.
Except flavor-wise, being a neutral-hunter doesn't really make sense for the character.
I'd guess (if imab is truthful) that there's some balance to the investigative roles. Imab's mafia shot has false positives (as a gunsmith), while his werewolf shot does not. Tom has a mafia shot with no false positives, and then Jobie has a "werewolf" shot that false positives on Tom.
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And it still doesn't justify why he wouldn't accept Tom's claim. There is no way Jobie thinks Tom is faking if he is holding the exact role, but for the other mafia team. It could be possible that Jobie, Tom + one other neutral exist, and Iso is trying to recreate a version of Dagger's Goo Mafia, but that is rampant flavor gaming.
Jobie's role might even make sense from hunting neutrals, as he just cares if his target is town or not. But anyway, why do you think IMAB is town WF?
Sir Chris (4): Nachomamma8, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (10): TappingStones, Sir Chris, Zionite, Seppel, Gentleman Johnny, Wildfire393, tomsloger, Tordeck, Axelrod, Xyre (L-0)
Not voting: Antny, EtR, Zionite
That is a lynch. We are now in Twilight.
Seppel and Axel (two of the three Werewolf suspects from the other VCA) are on the lynch, while Antny isn't voting.
Gentleman Johnny and Xyre (two of the three Mafia suspects from the other VCA) are on the lynch, while DoTA's still on Chris.
GJ looks like he's in a good position on a wagon that looks like it's about to go down in a major way to earn "town" cred for bussing, while Xyre with the hammer could go either way.
Seppel and Axel are harder to read there because from their (possible) positions they don't know if he's town or Mafia
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I think it took it literally as in "neutral exterminator" as in, hunts the neutrals. If he really had the other side of the coin, why would he not claim that, and why would his ability not function like Tom's: he claimed he just found out if his target was town or not.
Remember that Jobie had it in for Tom, and claiming the opposite role to Tom's would make him a definite werewolf target since he would win by killing them all. For flavour reasons it also makes sense that Ezzio targets the mafia and Dr Van Helsing the wolves.
Also of note, imab's on neither wagon (Chris/Hunt). Tapping was on Hunt fron the beginning and is almost certainly unaligned with Hunt because of it.
This is multi-ball, and those two are on opposite teams, so he would only have been avoiding one of his teammates. Are you basing your town read of Imab entirely on the votes?
This is multi-ball, and those two are on opposite teams, so he would only have been avoiding one of his teammates. Are you basing your town read of Imab entirely on the votes?
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Imab/Wildfire scum team...
I'm not saying I have a town-read on imab. I opened up today by saying he's definitely the question of the day.
I also staunchly defended him all day one, do you really think I'm his scumbuddy?
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Also the above conclusions from VCA are not necessarily 1:1 with my scum reads, they're just what the data points to. As my analysis of Tom day 1 showed, the conclusions I draw from data are not necessarily correct. I am using it as a tool to focus my attention today though.
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I am severely unimpressed with these Wildfire vote count "analysis" posts. They come across as both lazy and easy.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So here's the thing with Tom at the end of the day. It's one of these scenarios:
(1) Tom was telling the truth about having no gun. Iamb lied.
(a) iamb lied and is scum
(b) iamb lied but is still somehow town- i.e. he was just soooo sure, etc, etc.
(2) Tom was lying about not having a gun.
(a) he was essentially being spiteful. No benefit to him (or his non-existent team) to keep lying. He's just hoping to **** with us even if he can't win himself
(b) despite his posts to the contrary, he was still playing for the Governor's Pardon, and he felt his best shot was to both maintain his story and act like he didn't even want the pardon anymore.
Any other possibilities here?
I don't want to believe he was just being spiteful, because, well, that's mean. I guess it's still possible.
In Tom's favor is the "flavor" I guess. In as much as the character - that guy from Assassin's Creed - kills with a knife/sword, right? Not a gun? I haven't played that game, so I don't actually know, but that's what I seem to remember seeing.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also, I never liked the inelegantness of iamb's claim. Both the way he made it, and the way it supposedly works.
I'm not certain this means we go after him today though. There may be better targets.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
From that I'd suspect Seppel, Axelrod, and/or Antny of being Werewolf. Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, DoTA top picks for Mafia. Though I need some more research to narrow this down.
You say Imab is the question of the day yet in your VCA you point at everyone but Imab for the scum teams...
Oh, I forgot Stones. Put Stones at the top of the Eh... pile. I want to see what his reaction is to Chris's smoldering corpse, but weirdly I'm feeling better about him. I think he was just terribly, terribly misguided.
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Also, I never liked the inelegantness of iamb's claim. Both the way he made it, and the way it supposedly works.
I'm not certain this means we go after him today though. There may be better targets.
I'm impressed by how wishy-washy these posts have been, Axel.
Also, weren't you the one who voted me as soon as I voted imab way back on Day 1 for his claim being bull*****?
It's not wishy-washy, I just haven't decided what I want to do yet. Now there's finally some stuff to really look at.
And, as I recall, you didn't vote him for his claim being bull****. You voted him because he claimed. Period. And my point was: you don't vote the claimed information roles - not until they've had a chance to do something. Which, you may have noticed, iamb now has. He's done. At least, according to his own claim.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's clear now we did have some pro-town neutrals. We didn't take any chances and played it safe, and it's served us alright so far. Let's keep it going. Imab doesn't exactly have the best posts in the game. There's also no indication Tom had reason to lie about his role, so let's follow through with it.
You say Imab is the question of the day yet in your VCA you point at everyone but Imab for the scum teams...
imab's votes don't appear indicative of any particular pattern. I also already have him on my iso list. I will try to find the context of his reads around those vote-counts though to look for leads, but the VCA doesn't reveal much itself.
unfortunately, i think this is probably pretty good for the mafia unless imab is a godfather or something.
i mean, my role was meant to balance them out in some way. and it not only failed to catch one, but possibly directed the next days lynch to the other scum team.
good thing we got one Day 1
I mean, as the town, *we* want to catch both teams. If IMAB is scum and we lynch him tomorrow, that's a net win.
You are certain you can't win posthumously? Normal town and mafia players can win with their team if their team wins, despite dying.
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He claimed town aligned neutral, yes? Then he probably has an alternate win con if he's truthful.
i also asked a question about league scoring despite not being in league and this not being a league game. but its cool someone else cared about my other question
its just in no way anti-town
neither the town or the werewolves are mentioned at all.
Okay, so even if you're truthful about your role you have no incentive to actually help the town at this point, so if you DID have a gun but still felt like getting imab spitelynched you have no reason not to.
Cool.
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really though, you have to also assume iso would give a gun for no reason other than to **** with you.
tomsloger (8): Jobie, Seppel, Antny223, Axelrod, Gentleman Johnny, TappingStones, imabusinessman, Wildfire393 (L-0)
Sir Chris (1): Xyre
Wildfire393 (1): DoTArchon
Sir Chris (1): Nachomamma8
imabusinessman (1): tomsloger
That is a lynch.
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tomsloger waded through the crowds conspicuously. I mean, really, who wouldn't notice the guy with the white hood tapping people's shoulders as he passed by?
But he had his eyes set on his mission from the Vatican.
"Take them out."
Suddenly, someone noticed tom's antics, and he jumped into a hay cart to hide. The villager gathered a mob and a torch in no time flat, and set the hay cart on fire. tom's screams echoed throughout the town square.
Xenophobia was the flavor of the Day.
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tomsloger has been lynched. He was Ezio, Neutral Assassin. It is now Night 2. Night actions are due within 72 hours of this post.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Two more deaths.
Jobie has been killed. He was Dr. Van Helsing, Neutral Exterminator.
Sir Chris has been killed. He was Catalina, Werewolf Goon
It is now Day 3. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
I will not set a deadline for Day 3 until after the holidays.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DoT is not werewolf. Could still be mafia though.
Rather surprised Jobie went so hard for tom without considering the possibility they might have similar roles. Very weird. Also surprised the mafia killed Chris - suggests they actually thought he was town and were worried he'd figure them out. That doesn't sound like TappingStones, but that definitely sounds like Wildfire. And Zionite's still probably not a werewolf after all the ***** Chris put him through, so maybe a Zionite - Wildfire mafia team.
But first things first:
Vote imabusinessman
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I hope there are no more "Neutral" people also. Two is already a lot for a multi-scum game.
I think it is entirely possible imab is lying about his role. But also possible he's lying and still Town? He strikes me as that kind of player.
I would go back to Zionite, but for his mysterious "gift" giving of the night before. I don't know what it is, and I rather suspect it doesn't make him auto-Town, but it might mean he's not the best person to start with today.
I think there's probably a lot to go work with now, so I'm going to try and take some time and do that before voting anyone.
What team am I on and substantiate why. I'm looking forward to seeing this.
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@imab: Why waste your seer shot on me? What made you think I might be a wolf?
Antny223 - Andrei
Axelrod -
DoTArchon - Michaelangelo
EtR - Ninjara
Gentleman Johnny -
Huntz - Cousin Vinny (Mafia)
Imabusinessman - Vladimir
Jobie - Claimed Abraham: Van Helsing (Neutral)
Nachomamma8 - Casey
Seppel -
Sir Chris -Catalina (Werewolf)
TappingStones -
Tomsloger - Ezzio (Neutral)
Tordeck - Benito (Town)
Vaimes - April (Town)
Wildfire393 - Lacramioara {Romanian for Lily of the Valley}
Xyre - Leonardo
Zionite - Raphael
Surprised Chris was scum, but I did call him getting cross-killed as scum, so not surprised to find him dead.
With two townish neutrals gone, I imagine the rest of the "town" is actual town-aligned. Assuming scum-teams of three, that would make for 8 townies, 2 werewolves, and 2 mafiosos left alive.
I've got to look back at chris's day one wagon and see if there's anyone who both wasn't on it but also wasn't openly defending him. His team's likely to be hiding there. Huntzilla's team is probably split between people who were latecomers on his wagon and people who missed it. More analysis to come when I've got the time.
Imab is kind of the question of the day though. Tom claims he definitely didn't have a gun. There's no real way to verify that, but he did flip what he claimed, or at least it appears so.
Would scum so openly lie just to mislynch a player who was claimed non-town, out of investigations, and had half the town on them without any assistance?
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Halfway through the first post Imab agrees with Seppel that something is bothering him about Wildfire, then several posts later, without mentioning why, Wildfire is practically confirmed town. Also noteworthy that his "investigative" result is added as an afterthought at the end of the long post that doesn't really say much. I'm inclined to believe that Tom wasn't lying about Iso confirming he didn't have a gun. Which means the only way Imab would know that I'm not a wolf is if he is...
Which is all 18 players voting.
current vote count:
Sir Chris (8): Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Zionite, Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
Xyre (3): Seppel, Wildfire393, Jobie
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (1): TappingStones
Zionite (1): Axelrod
imabusinessman (1): Tordeck
Jobie (1): Sir Chris
EtR (1): Antny223
I know is town
I suspect is town based on abilities
Mafia
Werewolf
Neutral
From that I'd suspect Seppel, Axelrod, and/or Antny of being Werewolf. Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, DoTA top picks for Mafia. Though I need some more research to narrow this down.
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I'd wager it's in the realm of "inventor" since Nacho got a gift from him, but it's up to Nacho to confirm the nature of the gift (if he wants to), or if anyone wants to make a similar claim today.
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If you really felt that strongly about me being scum, why was your shot not targeted at me?
Vote IMAB. No way this guy is telling the truth. Etr's back and forth with Tom looks terrible before the end of yesterday. If Tom flipped mafia/werewolf, nothing he would have said would be obvious. Tom was litterally dead, with Nacho not pardoning him, so he was incapable of fear mongering. In order for IMAB to not be scum, I would have to strongly believe Tom didn't spitefully lie to get him lynched.
It is likely there is at least one other neutral, due to Jobie's rolename. That, or Tom really did get the short end of the stick.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'd guess (if imab is truthful) that there's some balance to the investigative roles. Imab's mafia shot has false positives (as a gunsmith), while his werewolf shot does not. Tom has a mafia shot with no false positives, and then Jobie has a "werewolf" shot that false positives on Tom.
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Jobie's role might even make sense from hunting neutrals, as he just cares if his target is town or not. But anyway, why do you think IMAB is town WF?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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Sir Chris (4): Nachomamma8, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (10): TappingStones, Sir Chris, Zionite, Seppel, Gentleman Johnny, Wildfire393, tomsloger, Tordeck, Axelrod, Xyre (L-0)
Not voting: Antny, EtR, Zionite
That is a lynch. We are now in Twilight.
Seppel and Axel (two of the three Werewolf suspects from the other VCA) are on the lynch, while Antny isn't voting.
Gentleman Johnny and Xyre (two of the three Mafia suspects from the other VCA) are on the lynch, while DoTA's still on Chris.
GJ looks like he's in a good position on a wagon that looks like it's about to go down in a major way to earn "town" cred for bussing, while Xyre with the hammer could go either way.
Seppel and Axel are harder to read there because from their (possible) positions they don't know if he's town or Mafia
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Vote: Imabusinessman
Imab/Wildfire scum team...
I'm not saying I have a town-read on imab. I opened up today by saying he's definitely the question of the day.
I also staunchly defended him all day one, do you really think I'm his scumbuddy?
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(1) Tom was telling the truth about having no gun. Iamb lied.
(a) iamb lied and is scum
(b) iamb lied but is still somehow town- i.e. he was just soooo sure, etc, etc.
(2) Tom was lying about not having a gun.
(a) he was essentially being spiteful. No benefit to him (or his non-existent team) to keep lying. He's just hoping to **** with us even if he can't win himself
(b) despite his posts to the contrary, he was still playing for the Governor's Pardon, and he felt his best shot was to both maintain his story and act like he didn't even want the pardon anymore.
Any other possibilities here?
I don't want to believe he was just being spiteful, because, well, that's mean. I guess it's still possible.
In Tom's favor is the "flavor" I guess. In as much as the character - that guy from Assassin's Creed - kills with a knife/sword, right? Not a gun? I haven't played that game, so I don't actually know, but that's what I seem to remember seeing.
I'm not certain this means we go after him today though. There may be better targets.
If he is the question of the day why haven't you tried engaging with him?
Also, weren't you the one who voted me as soon as I voted imab way back on Day 1 for his claim being bull*****?
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Ride or Die
Nachomanna8
Etr
DoTArchon
Seppel
Seppel
Eh...
Antny
Gentleman Johnny
Axelrod
Scary
Zionite (only thing holding me back is this gift thing)
Wildfire
Scorch the Earth
imabusinessman
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imabusinessman (3): Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, DoTArchon
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's not wishy-washy, I just haven't decided what I want to do yet. Now there's finally some stuff to really look at.
And, as I recall, you didn't vote him for his claim being bull****. You voted him because he claimed. Period. And my point was: you don't vote the claimed information roles - not until they've had a chance to do something. Which, you may have noticed, iamb now has. He's done. At least, according to his own claim.
It's clear now we did have some pro-town neutrals. We didn't take any chances and played it safe, and it's served us alright so far. Let's keep it going. Imab doesn't exactly have the best posts in the game. There's also no indication Tom had reason to lie about his role, so let's follow through with it.
These are just surface analyses. Like I said, the point of these was to give me a point to jump off from in terms of who to iso and what to look for.
imab's votes don't appear indicative of any particular pattern. I also already have him on my iso list. I will try to find the context of his reads around those vote-counts though to look for leads, but the VCA doesn't reveal much itself.
Does this mean you want to see less from me?
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