Sure, tappingstones. (Oh hey, my phone knows your username now)
It's not that I'm nonchalant about dying. I've just said all that I have to say and it's out of my hands
I did not kill tordeck
you should lynch someone else because lynching me doesn't help you win
As for the other post, I'm not sure who nacho thinks is scum other than chris. Or was there another post directed at me?
Now I would like to not have to stand on this hill for cell reception anymore. I'll check in again, but this stupid rave goes til 4 am my time
Sure, tappingstones. (Oh hey, my phone knows your username now)
It's not that I'm nonchalant about dying. I've just said all that I have to say and it's out of my hands
I did not kill tordeck
you should lynch someone else because lynching me doesn't help you win
As for the other post, I'm not sure who nacho thinks is scum other than chris. Or was there another post directed at me?
Now I would like to not have to stand on this hill for cell reception anymore. I'll check in again, but this stupid rave goes til 4 am my time
So is the theory here that not only was I supposed to see a difference between jobie today and jobie yesterday but also somehow divine that he has a role that determines I'm not town but can't tell that I'm not scum? That seems like a stretch.
I was against claiming yesterday because I had an ability to use. Now I'm just vanilla.
And if you think I claimed because of jobie, youhaven't learned anything about me. I did it faster so I didn't get in a fight with jobie and hijack the thread again, but if I wasn't going to claim jobie definitely didn't use the right tactic to make me
(Phone post)
Not quite that specificity is required to know you need to claim.
I am guessing they thought tordeck was hiding a power role by trying to appear useless?
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A game where you are town and have a similar but separate win condition from the other half of the town,
OR
A game where you and the rest of the town have the same win condition, BUT your half of the town has to get more "points" than the other half?
This is the Iso post I'm referring to: he's wanted to play around with the idea of 2 separate towns.
This neutral role is unique (Iso makes plenty of unique neutrals with my limited experience with him), and it also plays with the two town idea on a smaller scale.
And while it's possible he was coached into it, it doesn't seem overly likely to me, but I'd be interested in hearing why people think otherwise.
Iso creates a lot of games. Why would the one with two towns be the one with two scumteams. That doesn’t make any sense.
There's plenty of precedent for the same role being called different things by mods to fool players. One of the very first games on this site, Lord of the Rings Mafia, had different cadres of vanilla townies who had different sets of names (like some were Riders of Rohan and some where another thing I forget) which had no in-game effect other than to be confusing.
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And your analogy is entirely inappropriate.
Eh, I'd argue it's only 90% inapposite. My point is, I'm not putting my read on tom on the line for a feeling that two roles with comparable abilities couldn't be called entirely different things.
Also, after these last three posts by Zionite, I'm almost equal on willingness to lynch Sir Chris or him, i.e. total. Definitely Zionite's posts are much much worse than tom's.
I like that Xyre has had the same reaction to Zion’s posts that I have and asked the same question I wanted to ask Chris.
You haven't done anything anti-town. The case against you is that you're not town though. You may be a pro-town role but we can't really take your claim as truth. Not to mention it's going to be harder to squeeze neutrals into a game with two scum teams already. You'd have to be the only one, and there merely as a weak supporting character to the town. It just doesn't fit the pretty picture.
It's a tough call. The speed of the wagon is both concerning and justified. However, I'm going to say we should not lynch tomsloger in favor of sir chris or wildfire, or maybe antny. Obviously tom isn't cleared from being scum, but he hasn't done anything whatsoever that's been detrimental to town play. We've got his cards on the table; I want to see what the other suspects are holding now.
Awful fencesitting. I can see Zion being Toms buddy and unsure of whether he wants to bus here or whether there’s a way out thanks to Nacho.
Someone mentioned that Zionite is a veteran player. Is it meta for either of his roles to be a lurker that just chimes in to jump on wagons or get quiet when the heat's on him?
His play doesn't seem particularly useful as town and makes me want to lynch him. If I'm barking up the wrong tree those with experience should let me know.
Why waste a lynch on Tom when a)there are still scum to lynch and b)if he wins when all the mafia are eliminated it would make sense for them to NK him, even if we mislynch they could still lose members to wolf kills and give him a free win...
Second, I’m Andrei and I’m curious about where this nameclaim is going.
I'm trying to discern if there are patterns in the names, but Tom's post kinda derailed that, all name-claims from that point on are tainted by the knowledge of what I'm trying to do. I also made a mistake though when I claimed my name, should have waited a bit longer. I have found one pattern so far in Myself/Nachos/Xyre/Zionite/Vaimes all being characters from TMNT. I have another theory about that but I'm holding on to that one for now...
Someone mentioned that Zionite is a veteran player. Is it meta for either of his roles to be a lurker that just chimes in to jump on wagons or get quiet when the heat's on him?
His play doesn't seem particularly useful as town and makes me want to lynch him. If I'm barking up the wrong tree those with experience should let me know.
I may not be an experienced player, but I think you and I are reading different ISO's. I don't see him jumping on wagons or avoiding heat. I've had him as lean town since Day 1, and his name claim has upgraded that from lean town to town. I understand that flavour gaming is dangerous, but it's what I have to work on right now.
I would assume Iso put one person in each group that doesn't match the expectations to twart what you're trying to do but it could get a kill or two. Perhaps the names were given completely randomly for players like you to try and vote based on pattern. I wouldn't know. What I do suggest is to vote based on what's in the game (first) and if your flavor works out then lovely, I'm pretty sure it wont.
Why waste a lynch on Tom when a)there are still scum to lynch and b)if he wins when all the mafia are eliminated it would make sense for them to NK him, even if we mislynch they could still lose members to wolf kills and give him a free win...
I would ask the rest of you to refrain from giving out your names. The scum teams can confirm much more about any flavor patterns than we can because they can trust each other. I see no advantage right now in trying to flavor game.
I don't feel comfortable with where DOTA is going with this.
I would ask the rest of you to refrain from giving out your names. The scum teams can confirm much more about any flavor patterns than we can because they can trust each other. I see no advantage right now in trying to flavor game.
I don't feel comfortable with where DOTA is going with this.
Vaimes is confirmed town, Nachos is practically confirmed town, I know I'm town, and despite your personal beef with Xyre and Zionite I wasn't scum reading either of them on day 1. I would be very interested to find out who Donate lol is, because if it's someone who most people have been townreading then it could be a starting point to work from. I'll leave it up to the individual players though whether or not they want to reveal their names.
we can all agree that imab stopping by to post a picture but not tell us his night actions is either scummy or just douchey, right?
my money is on both, but whatevs
antny's unwillingness to vote anyone else in any situation seems wrong to me.
again, i understand not believing me. my claim looks like bull*****. i dont have any problem with votes on me.
but "I’m not unvoting Tom at this point for any reason" is just not townie play.
especially looking at his comments Yesterday about voting for a lynch that could happen
@tappingstones why are you uncomfortable with where dota is going? does your flavor name make you look scummy?
or are you scum but your name is donatello?
@etr where you at? iirc calling you a lurker brings you to the thread.
we can all agree that imab stopping by to post a picture but not tell us his night actions is either scummy or just douchey, right?
my money is on both, but whatevs
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
antny's unwillingness to vote anyone else in any situation seems wrong to me.
again, i understand not believing me. my claim looks like bull*****. i dont have any problem with votes on me.
but "I’m not unvoting Tom at this point for any reason" is just not townie play.
especially looking at his comments Yesterday about voting for a lynch that could happen
The only reason you weren't lynch Day 1 was because of Nacho, and seriously don't believe he can honestly be that stubborn as to not let us lynch you now.
So yeah, unless there's another confscum, I have no interest in postponing your lynch another day.
Jobie claims to have a "town/non-town" cop shot that returned non-town on tom. He claimed this after tom claimed he was not town.
You mean, after night 1 when Jobie went full blast on him? Yes, he asked Tom to claim yesterday, but that was primarily off of him reaching L-3. There was no pressure on him today until that happens. Tom claiming today clearly knew he was hand caught in the cookie jar.
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seer is the "opposite" of my ability, but gunsmith i assumed was some kind of vig shot. i thought he might be lying because he had an analog to my role and then an extra thing. i know its possible that he was just more powerful than me, but it was still enough to start poking him.
IMAB claimed he had a 1-shot gunsmith, and a 1-shot seer. I don't recall if he actually fully explained it, but Seer IRL werewolf detects werewolves, gunsmith detects people with guns (so mafia and vigs sometimes). Your role name is called assassin, is also a 1-shot, and also does the exact same effect as IMAB's gunsmith: Detects if a player is a mafia member, and comes back negative if they are not. Is any part of what I just said wrong?
man is my role THAT off the wall?
i thought the assassin/no kills thing was weird, but i didnt really think anything of the alignment/alternate wincon
has there not been anything like this before?
You are a claimed neutral with a town role. I can't see a legit reason why that ability wouldn't be town, or like Axel said, have a partner that does the same thing for the werewolves.
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And I think scum who realized that would have put a bullet in your head so Tom wouldn't have to claim something compromising.
******* whatever.
This is why I am never putting a governor in a game: It makes us too reliant on who he/she might want to go after. Honestly, Tom could have claimed he was scum, and you would have argued it was an autocorrect error.
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vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
The point was he had time to put a picture but not claim target/result?
Tom is caught. There is a guilty on his head and his claim is a desperate attempt to explain it away.
His day 1 behavior is just as consistent with him being scum as it is with his claim.
Except he claimed he was non-town neutral before Jobie revealed what his information was. If Jobie had a "you're a werewolf" result or similar, he would have been hung out to dry.
It also explains why he was after imab from the first page over his claim, because it conflicted with his own.
So you're claiming that he
1) Put together a fake claim yesterday first thing and stuck to it.
2) This fake claim conveniently lines up with exactly the odd cop shot that was taken against him last night.
That seems like entirely too much coincidence, especially for the first time a player's playing scum.
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vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
The point was he had time to put a picture but not claim target/result?
When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
Tom is caught. There is a guilty on his head and his claim is a desperate attempt to explain it away.
His day 1 behavior is just as consistent with him being scum as it is with his claim.
Except he claimed he was non-town neutral before Jobie revealed what his information was. If Jobie had a "you're a werewolf" result or similar, he would have been hung out to dry.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
It also explains why he was after imab from the first page over his claim, because it conflicted with his own.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.
People who are on the tom wagon: if Nacho says he'll governor tom if tom is lynched, would you be willing to lynch Zionite instead and revisit tom tomorrow, hopefully with more information?
Re: Governors - I don't think the problem is the governor itself, per se, but rather having it end the day in a no-lynch instead of declaring a particular player unlynchable that day. It's the fact that the town has to forfeit a lynch that leads to the brinksmanship and angry feelings. (Though I think a governor probably should not have unlimited uses of his ability, either.)
Tom is caught. There is a guilty on his head and his claim is a desperate attempt to explain it away.
His day 1 behavior is just as consistent with him being scum as it is with his claim.
Except he claimed he was non-town neutral before Jobie revealed what his information was. If Jobie had a "you're a werewolf" result or similar, he would have been hung out to dry.
It also explains why he was after imab from the first page over his claim, because it conflicted with his own.
So you're claiming that he
1) Put together a fake claim yesterday first thing and stuck to it.
2) This fake claim conveniently lines up with exactly the odd cop shot that was taken against him last night.
That seems like entirely too much coincidence, especially for the first time a player's playing scum.
Not to mention the following alternate explanations:
- Jobie is a scum investigator whose ability helps him find scum on the other team, but his investigation is town-or-not town rather than [other scum team]-or-not [other scum team];
- Jobie did something else to tom last night but is lying about his result (and perhaps changed it to not-town instead of [other scum team] after tom's odd claim to avoid an inconsistency);
or (my personal favorite)
- Jobie and Sir Chris are both at least semi-lying, and are both scum. Maybe they think tom is in fact scum; maybe they just think this is a good chance to "confirm" themselves.
You realize if me and jobie were villainous scum on the same team we would have had the good sense to coordinate so I could have said my track before jobie said his action as that would in fact have confirmed me. Instead we get a dumb power role who couldn't keep it in his pants :<
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When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.
You don't see why Tom's mafia-cop and imab's mafia-cop conflict? I mean, I can see how they might coexist in the same game, but I can also see how Tom would be less inclined to believe imab if his role PM says what he says it does. Which makes his constant hard-on for imab yesterday, and his refusal to believe imab's claim, make considerably more sense.
People who are on the tom wagon: if Nacho says he'll governor tom if tom is lynched, would you be willing to lynch Zionite instead and revisit tom tomorrow, hopefully with more information?
I'm very down for a Zionite lynch today, governor intervention or no. I'll try to put together a case this week, but he's one of my top suspects at the moment.
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we can all agree that imab stopping by to post a picture but not tell us his night actions is either scummy or just douchey, right?
my money is on both, but whatevs
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
except the part where his last vla was due to frustration, not an actual vla.
once you openly abuse the notion of a vla, you dont get the benefit of the doubt for your next one.
People who are on the tom wagon: if Nacho says he'll governor tom if tom is lynched, would you be willing to lynch Zionite instead and revisit tom tomorrow, hopefully with more information?
i guess this question isnt for me, but i dont think zion is scum.
ill read a case with an open mind, but im not seeing it yet.
seer is the "opposite" of my ability, but gunsmith i assumed was some kind of vig shot. i thought he might be lying because he had an analog to my role and then an extra thing. i know its possible that he was just more powerful than me, but it was still enough to start poking him.
IMAB claimed he had a 1-shot gunsmith, and a 1-shot seer. I don't recall if he actually fully explained it, but Seer IRL werewolf detects werewolves, gunsmith detects people with guns (so mafia and vigs sometimes). Your role name is called assassin, is also a 1-shot, and also does the exact same effect as IMAB's gunsmith: Detects if a player is a mafia member, and comes back negative if they are not. Is any part of what I just said wrong?
man is my role THAT off the wall?
i thought the assassin/no kills thing was weird, but i didnt really think anything of the alignment/alternate wincon
has there not been anything like this before?
You are a claimed neutral with a town role. I can't see a legit reason why that ability wouldn't be town, or like Axel said, have a partner that does the same thing for the werewolves.
1 i mean, assassin and gunsmith are definitely similar. but also definitely not identical.
2 i cant really speak to the "why" of my role, but the alternate wincon does seem to necessitate me being not town. shrug.
Running me up is pointless. I've already claimed and confirmed it. Granted, the claim was a breadcrumb and only nacho knows what my role does.
Lets lynch wildfire.
oh i forgot about that.
yeah, xyre/wildfire's case on zionite would have to be real good. and could still be invalidated by nacho/zionite giving more info.
chris, wildfire, imab, and antny all seem like much better lynches. hell, im probably better than zionite at this point.
On what Earth do you think his claim is real? He is essentially claiming an identical role (or at least half of one) to IMAB. IMAB claimed his shot was gunsmith, I think. Tom is claiming his is called assassin. One of them has to be lying, and the lack of counterclaim on Tom's straight up counterclaim bothers me.
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GJ, I cannot stress this enough: Gunsmith finds people with guns. Even if it's similar to finding mafia, it's not quite the same. I will not get false positives on Millers. And I will be able to find Godfather's who are normally immune to cops.
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The current tl;dr that I think Vaimes's three major suspects - Sir Chris, Zionite, Wildfire, all have decent to great chances of being scum. Going to go into the latter two in depth when I get a chance (might not do this for a while; busy weekend planned), but I wouldn't cry if people started voting Sir Chris in my absence.
As for governor targets, I'd like the chance to reanalyze them and will hopefully do that sooner rather than later. Don't lynch before I do this, please.
Barn this so hard. Whomever killed Vaimes was due to paranoia. Whomever killed Tordeck was due to incompetence/inexperience. Speaking of which, Seppel definitely not on team werewolf. I did not investigate Seppel with my ability. There's no way he would have allowed the kill on Tordeck. He called out Tor's posting restriction as fake and said Tor being useless is his town M.O. Scum don't kill useless townies.
Point blank Tom, I despite that IMAB had time to post a pic, but not what his results were. That combined with your Zeal towards him yesterday is giving me room for doubt.
I'm not liking IABM starting the day with a photo post VLA and not telling us his night action, not a fan at all.
@All-In what world does Tom not get lynched?
Why should I hammer when obvious scum is obvious? There are things I would like to commment on that I won't get a chance to if I hammered. And if I posted my results Tom would definitely have been lynched by now (That's called foreshadowing btw). Town care about solving things. You know this right? Last time I checked Day one was a month and Day two is unlimited. Why are you people in such a rush to end the day and minimize discussion?
If the parallel role to Tom's - i.e. the "Neutral" person who only wants to kill Werewolves but otherwise is totally Town aligned - wants to reveal themselves I will consider the possibility that Tom is not completely BSing. Up to you.
Why would someone's who's goal it is to eliminate werewolves expose themselves? Not that it really matters because Tom's role is fake.
we can all agree that imab stopping by to post a picture but not tell us his night actions is either scummy or just douchey, right?
my money is on both, but whatevs
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
except the part where his last vla was due to frustration, not an actual vla.
once you openly abuse the notion of a vla, you dont get the benefit of the doubt for your next one.
Sorry for having a job with mandatory overtime during the busiest health insurance season of the year. You did see the part where OPEN ENROLLMENT SEASON is almost two months right? If I had time to make 500 posts a day such as yourself then it wouldn't be an issue. I got tired of skipping breaks to read this game only to see your scummy posts on every page and then to be confronted with the horror that Nachomamma is going to babysit you to keep you alive as long as possible. I could just as easily have called a three week V/la.
Running me up is pointless. I've already claimed and confirmed it. Granted, the claim was a breadcrumb and only nacho knows what my role does.
Lets lynch wildfire.
oh i forgot about that.
yeah, xyre/wildfire's case on zionite would have to be real good. and could still be invalidated by nacho/zionite giving more info.
chris, wildfire, imab, and antny all seem like much better lynches. hell, im probably better than zionite at this point.
Look carefully at Tom's ok to lynch list and compare it to the wagon that was on Huntzilla...
Sir Chris (4): Nachomamma8, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (10): TappingStones, Sir Chris, Zionite, Seppel, Gentleman Johnny, Wildfire393, tomsloger, Tordeck, Axelrod, Xyre (L-0)
That is a lynch. We are now in Twilight.
And antny was on that wagon symbollically. Basically Tom's entire "ok to lynch" list includes everyone who was voting to lynch mafia-huntzilla and his confirmation that I'm not mafia. That's not the behavior of someone who's trying to "eliminate all the mafia".
BTW I investigated tomsloger with my gunsmith ability and he has a gun.
Well that's a pretty big revelation, but I think a lot of us already doubted that he claimed in full.
@Tom- I do want to compliment you on your play in the later half of the game. I think there was definite improvement. The first half of day one compared to the rest of the game was light and day different. I think the claim was a decent play but it just didn't hold up under scrutiny.
By the way "Assassin" implies a way to kill. So the claim now makes sense. In the future don't claim to be a bull without horns. It doesn't make sense...
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well im going to die and proven truthful. hopefully somebody can kill imab tonight since that will be confirmed, and Tomorrow get either wildfire or chris.
im resigned to death because, even though im not scum, pardoning me is just not a great play. i have no delusions that keeping me around is good for anyone.
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well im going to die and proven truthful. hopefully somebody can kill imab tonight since that will be confirmed, and Tomorrow get either wildfire or chris.
im resigned to death because, even though im not scum, pardoning me is just not a great play. i have no delusions that keeping me around is good for anyone.
Your goal is to kill a scum team. Why are you pretending you have some allegiance to the town? If you were really neutral why would you want us to find the scum teams after you die? You aren't our teammates, according to your own admission.
Is this just to try and grease Nacho?
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It's not that I'm nonchalant about dying. I've just said all that I have to say and it's out of my hands
I did not kill tordeck
you should lynch someone else because lynching me doesn't help you win
As for the other post, I'm not sure who nacho thinks is scum other than chris. Or was there another post directed at me?
Now I would like to not have to stand on this hill for cell reception anymore. I'll check in again, but this stupid rave goes til 4 am my time
Who are your teammates?
Why do you think Tordeck was killed?
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@All-In what world does Tom not get lynched?
Second, I’m Andrei and I’m curious about where this nameclaim is going.
Further,
If you were so clearly off base why keep going back to the interaction chart. It clearly isn’t going to be as much use as you thought right?
Iso creates a lot of games. Why would the one with two towns be the one with two scumteams. That doesn’t make any sense.
Had you considered any kills outside of Nacho or Tom?
I like that Xyre has had the same reaction to Zion’s posts that I have and asked the same question I wanted to ask Chris.
This is odd. Nacho, how many games have you played with Chris?
Awful fencesitting. I can see Zion being Toms buddy and unsure of whether he wants to bus here or whether there’s a way out thanks to Nacho.
His play doesn't seem particularly useful as town and makes me want to lynch him. If I'm barking up the wrong tree those with experience should let me know.
I'm trying to discern if there are patterns in the names, but Tom's post kinda derailed that, all name-claims from that point on are tainted by the knowledge of what I'm trying to do. I also made a mistake though when I claimed my name, should have waited a bit longer. I have found one pattern so far in Myself/Nachos/Xyre/Zionite/Vaimes all being characters from TMNT. I have another theory about that but I'm holding on to that one for now...
I may not be an experienced player, but I think you and I are reading different ISO's. I don't see him jumping on wagons or avoiding heat. I've had him as lean town since Day 1, and his name claim has upgraded that from lean town to town. I understand that flavour gaming is dangerous, but it's what I have to work on right now.
Sure, but that assumes that his claim is true.
Which it almost certainly isn't.
I don't feel comfortable with where DOTA is going with this.
Can you elaborate?
Personally, I think his claim is entirely consistent with his day-1 behavior.
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Tom is caught. There is a guilty on his head and his claim is a desperate attempt to explain it away.
His day 1 behavior is just as consistent with him being scum as it is with his claim.
my money is on both, but whatevs
antny's unwillingness to vote anyone else in any situation seems wrong to me.
again, i understand not believing me. my claim looks like bull*****. i dont have any problem with votes on me.
but "I’m not unvoting Tom at this point for any reason" is just not townie play.
especially looking at his comments Yesterday about voting for a lynch that could happen
@tappingstones why are you uncomfortable with where dota is going? does your flavor name make you look scummy?
or are you scum but your name is donatello?
@etr where you at? iirc calling you a lurker brings you to the thread.
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
The only reason you weren't lynch Day 1 was because of Nacho, and seriously don't believe he can honestly be that stubborn as to not let us lynch you now.
So yeah, unless there's another confscum, I have no interest in postponing your lynch another day.
You mean, after night 1 when Jobie went full blast on him? Yes, he asked Tom to claim yesterday, but that was primarily off of him reaching L-3. There was no pressure on him today until that happens. Tom claiming today clearly knew he was hand caught in the cookie jar.
IMAB claimed he had a 1-shot gunsmith, and a 1-shot seer. I don't recall if he actually fully explained it, but Seer IRL werewolf detects werewolves, gunsmith detects people with guns (so mafia and vigs sometimes). Your role name is called assassin, is also a 1-shot, and also does the exact same effect as IMAB's gunsmith: Detects if a player is a mafia member, and comes back negative if they are not. Is any part of what I just said wrong?
You are a claimed neutral with a town role. I can't see a legit reason why that ability wouldn't be town, or like Axel said, have a partner that does the same thing for the werewolves.
******* whatever.
This is why I am never putting a governor in a game: It makes us too reliant on who he/she might want to go after. Honestly, Tom could have claimed he was scum, and you would have argued it was an autocorrect error.
The point was he had time to put a picture but not claim target/result?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Except he claimed he was non-town neutral before Jobie revealed what his information was. If Jobie had a "you're a werewolf" result or similar, he would have been hung out to dry.
It also explains why he was after imab from the first page over his claim, because it conflicted with his own.
So you're claiming that he
1) Put together a fake claim yesterday first thing and stuck to it.
2) This fake claim conveniently lines up with exactly the odd cop shot that was taken against him last night.
That seems like entirely too much coincidence, especially for the first time a player's playing scum.
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When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.
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- Jobie is a scum investigator whose ability helps him find scum on the other team, but his investigation is town-or-not town rather than [other scum team]-or-not [other scum team];
- Jobie did something else to tom last night but is lying about his result (and perhaps changed it to not-town instead of [other scum team] after tom's odd claim to avoid an inconsistency);
or (my personal favorite)
- Jobie and Sir Chris are both at least semi-lying, and are both scum. Maybe they think tom is in fact scum; maybe they just think this is a good chance to "confirm" themselves.
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You don't see why Tom's mafia-cop and imab's mafia-cop conflict? I mean, I can see how they might coexist in the same game, but I can also see how Tom would be less inclined to believe imab if his role PM says what he says it does. Which makes his constant hard-on for imab yesterday, and his refusal to believe imab's claim, make considerably more sense.
I'm very down for a Zionite lynch today, governor intervention or no. I'll try to put together a case this week, but he's one of my top suspects at the moment.
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once you openly abuse the notion of a vla, you dont get the benefit of the doubt for your next one. i guess this question isnt for me, but i dont think zion is scum.
ill read a case with an open mind, but im not seeing it yet.
2 i cant really speak to the "why" of my role, but the alternate wincon does seem to necessitate me being not town. shrug.
Lets lynch wildfire.
yeah, xyre/wildfire's case on zionite would have to be real good. and could still be invalidated by nacho/zionite giving more info.
chris, wildfire, imab, and antny all seem like much better lynches. hell, im probably better than zionite at this point.
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I will hammer Zionite if he's at L-1.
Otherwise I'm happy with the Tom lynch, regardless of Nacho.
If Nacho is pardoning a claim of non-town I'm not going to be very happy with this game.
We can go through the steps if you want. But my point that you're missing is that I won't be lynched. Because I'm a decent fellow.
My thoughts exactly.
GJ, I cannot stress this enough: Gunsmith finds people with guns. Even if it's similar to finding mafia, it's not quite the same. I will not get false positives on Millers. And I will be able to find Godfather's who are normally immune to cops.
Same.
Barn this so hard. Whomever killed Vaimes was due to paranoia. Whomever killed Tordeck was due to incompetence/inexperience. Speaking of which, Seppel definitely not on team werewolf. I did not investigate Seppel with my ability. There's no way he would have allowed the kill on Tordeck. He called out Tor's posting restriction as fake and said Tor being useless is his town M.O. Scum don't kill useless townies.
Why should I hammer when obvious scum is obvious? There are things I would like to commment on that I won't get a chance to if I hammered. And if I posted my results Tom would definitely have been lynched by now (That's called foreshadowing btw). Town care about solving things. You know this right? Last time I checked Day one was a month and Day two is unlimited. Why are you people in such a rush to end the day and minimize discussion?
Why would someone's who's goal it is to eliminate werewolves expose themselves? Not that it really matters because Tom's role is fake.
This feels like Sir Chris giving up.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for having a job with mandatory overtime during the busiest health insurance season of the year. You did see the part where OPEN ENROLLMENT SEASON is almost two months right? If I had time to make 500 posts a day such as yourself then it wouldn't be an issue. I got tired of skipping breaks to read this game only to see your scummy posts on every page and then to be confronted with the horror that Nachomamma is going to babysit you to keep you alive as long as possible. I could just as easily have called a three week V/la.
Look carefully at Tom's ok to lynch list and compare it to the wagon that was on Huntzilla...
And antny was on that wagon symbollically. Basically Tom's entire "ok to lynch" list includes everyone who was voting to lynch mafia-huntzilla and his confirmation that I'm not mafia. That's not the behavior of someone who's trying to "eliminate all the mafia".
BTW I investigated tomsloger with my gunsmith ability and he has a gun.
vote: tomsloger
glad i was right all along.
unvote, vote imabusinessman
id technically still rather lynch chris, because lynching imab doesnt help me win. but thats the way it goes.
we dont know much more than that, but a zionite pardon would definitely happen.
@Tom- I do want to compliment you on your play in the later half of the game. I think there was definite improvement. The first half of day one compared to the rest of the game was light and day different. I think the claim was a decent play but it just didn't hold up under scrutiny.
By the way "Assassin" implies a way to kill. So the claim now makes sense. In the future don't claim to be a bull without horns. It doesn't make sense...
If imab's got a "has-a-gun" verdict on Tom, that means one of the two is lying, which puts me squarely back on the Tom train.
Vote tomsloger nobrakes nacho getouttheway
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@nacho im not sure where your opinion is, but i dont think pardoning me is the right play. i understand.
@everyone get imab.
wolves - imab, wildfire, seppel
mafia - chris, antny, huntzilla
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But if that is the hammer, nacho, getouttheway.
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? No I was just accusing Nacho of tunneling lol.
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im resigned to death because, even though im not scum, pardoning me is just not a great play. i have no delusions that keeping me around is good for anyone.
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Wait, you said "nachogetouttheway" before you knew it was a hammer and then again that is your reaction after you find out?
Why would you say that the first time not knowing and then again after you found out? Sounds like a manufactured surprise to me.
= /
Quickly, why are those the scum teams?
Your goal is to kill a scum team. Why are you pretending you have some allegiance to the town? If you were really neutral why would you want us to find the scum teams after you die? You aren't our teammates, according to your own admission.
Is this just to try and grease Nacho?