@Rhand: My reason for wanting to vote you is based on the fact that you would rather go with the extra lynch option because we "have a buffer". That buffer comes down to one Night and one Night only, That one Night also happens to be the most likely for the Town to screw up. This is not a Town motivated thought process.
Unvote Vote: Rhand
@TappingStone: Why did you unvote Rhand?
I'm willing to take the Seat, but as mentioned, my activity is the not best.
Since I voted for Rhand, several of Tordeck's posts have been nervous as all hell. I was pretty surprised to see him call me "easy scum" off something so little, seemed pushed. The self-conscious need to let everyone know he's taking some time away also seemed like he was over-thinking things. He makes me feel very uncomfortable and I think that's a lot worse than disagreeing with Rhand on seat usage. If Tordeck doesn't do a believable makeover on himself I'll likely vote him by day's end.
@Rhand: My reason for wanting to vote you is based on the fact that you would rather go with the extra lynch option because we "have a buffer". That buffer comes down to one Night and one Night only, That one Night also happens to be the most likely for the Town to screw up. This is not a Town motivated thought process.
Unvote Vote: Rhand
@TappingStone: Why did you unvote Rhand?
I'm willing to take the Seat, but as mentioned, my activity is the not best.
Since I voted for Rhand, several of Tordeck's posts have been nervous as all hell. I was pretty surprised to see him call me "easy scum" off something so little, seemed pushed. The self-conscious need to let everyone know he's taking some time away also seemed like he was over-thinking things. He makes me feel very uncomfortable and I think that's a lot worse than disagreeing with Rhand on seat usage. If Tordeck doesn't do a believable makeover on himself I'll likely vote him by day's end.
I do not like this post. Especially the last line. This reads as an excuse more than anything else; specifically, it's not an attempt to convince anyone else, and it's not a probe into Tordeck himself to learn more.
@Rhand: My reason for wanting to vote you is based on the fact that you would rather go with the extra lynch option because we "have a buffer". That buffer comes down to one Night and one Night only, That one Night also happens to be the most likely for the Town to screw up. This is not a Town motivated thought process.
Unvote Vote: Rhand
@TappingStone: Why did you unvote Rhand?
I'm willing to take the Seat, but as mentioned, my activity is the not best.
Since I voted for Rhand, several of Tordeck's posts have been nervous as all hell. I was pretty surprised to see him call me "easy scum" off something so little, seemed pushed. The self-conscious need to let everyone know he's taking some time away also seemed like he was over-thinking things. He makes me feel very uncomfortable and I think that's a lot worse than disagreeing with Rhand on seat usage. If Tordeck doesn't do a believable makeover on himself I'll likely vote him by day's end.
I do not like this post. Especially the last line. This reads as an excuse more than anything else; specifically, it's not an attempt to convince anyone else, and it's not a probe into Tordeck himself to learn more.
He asked me why I unvoted. There is nothing for me to convince him of. I just gave my reasons. Strange that you think I should be actively trying to convince others of why I unvoted. Am I just not understanding your meaning? Additionally why would I "probe into Tordeck" on a procedural unvote post? Anyway this is my first regular game of Mafia. I just finished a mini in the forum. Very likely I'm going to do things differently than regulars, as I have no idea what regulars do.
Fair enough. I'll hunt some more scums in the meantime.
Tordeck >> Aqua >> Kpaca = Kami > Plow = Necarg > Tapping > Generic = Void = Hunt > Bur is where I stand at this point.
@Tordeck: What made you think TS is noob-scum? I acknowledge s/he is now in here, but scum? You don't question her/him, just instantly reach the conclusion that they must be scum because of the naked vote.
Gut reaction from that post.
Do you seriously believe in that "third vote on a wagon" crap?
Not only was it the third vote on the wagon, but it was naked and his first post of the game. When you take all of the factors and add them together, yes I stand by my call.
Why are you only considering scenarios where TS is scum (I won't count that ridiculous "he didn't read the game and RVS'd" theory)? What about if he is a newbie-town? Your posts about TS come off to me as trying to put the horse before the wagon.
Just didnt feel like something noob-town would do.
Tordeck, what are your thoughts regarding the Amyrlin seat?
If you are asking how I think it should be used, that ive already commented on. If you are asking who I think should have it. I vote for myself. Kpaca and I while having been out of the game for awhile are the most experienced here and the following quote explains why I wont vote for him to have the seat.
The strongest player in this game that I know of (I don't know Tordeck and Aqua) would be Generic, but he's too hard to read to put him on the Seat.
The strongest player in this game is Kpaca, but I will be the first admit that I can never read him and have voted to lynch him in the past simply "because Kpaca".
Well Rianalnn, Please state what the better criteria would be to use. Otherwise choose your candidate and back off.
Do yourself a favor and never mention that name again.
Fair enough. I'll hunt some more scums in the meantime.
Tordeck >> Aqua >> Kpaca = Kami > Plow = Necarg > Tapping > Generic = Void = Hunt > Bur is where I stand at this point.
Well Rianalnn, Please state what the better criteria would be to use. Otherwise choose your candidate and back off.
Do yourself a favor and never mention that name again.
A little testy aren't we? Especially since that was not even directed at you. Why did you feel it necessary to chainsaw your way into that exchange? Kpaca never even replied to it...
I have voted for Bur, except his lack of posting has me worried right this second.
Fair enough. I'll hunt some more scums in the meantime.
Tordeck >> Aqua >> Kpaca = Kami > Plow = Necarg > Tapping > Generic = Void = Hunt > Bur is where I stand at this point.
Is the left side or the right side scum here?
You're kidding, right?
Ditto.
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Town:
Bur - Duh.
Generic - Been actively trying to solve this game from get-go.
Huntzilla - for being natural
Rhand - How he changed opinion about Amyrlin Seat doesn't look like a scum-backpedaling.
Neutral:
Necarg - good points, but I'd like to see more content
Void - ditto
TappingStones - newbie!something
Scum:
Tordeck - Awful approach to Rhand's and TS's wagons.
KamikazeArchon - I see lots of words but not much serious content. All this theorycrafting and he feels like he's avoiding contact with other players.
Waiting something worth reading from these guys:
Kpaca
aquaumisa
Plowshares
(Top two towns: Generic and Huntzilla. Top two scums: Kami and Tordeck)
@Huntzilla: Where did you hear the name Rianalnn?
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@Tordeck: What made you think TS is noob-scum? I acknowledge s/he is now in here, but scum? You don't question her/him, just instantly reach the conclusion that they must be scum because of the naked vote.
Gut reaction from that post.
Do you seriously believe in that "third vote on a wagon" crap?
Not only was it the third vote on the wagon, but it was naked and his first post of the game. When you take all of the factors and add them together, yes I stand by my call.
Why are you only considering scenarios where TS is scum (I won't count that ridiculous "he didn't read the game and RVS'd" theory)? What about if he is a newbie-town? Your posts about TS come off to me as trying to put the horse before the wagon.
Just didnt feel like something noob-town would do.
Tordeck, what are your thoughts regarding the Amyrlin seat?
If you are asking how I think it should be used, that ive already commented on. If you are asking who I think should have it. I vote for myself. Kpaca and I while having been out of the game for awhile are the most experienced here and the following quote explains why I wont vote for him to have the seat.
The strongest player in this game that I know of (I don't know Tordeck and Aqua) would be Generic, but he's too hard to read to put him on the Seat.
The strongest player in this game is Kpaca, but I will be the first admit that I can never read him and have voted to lynch him in the past simply "because Kpaca".
Well Rianalnn, Please state what the better criteria would be to use. Otherwise choose your candidate and back off.
Do yourself a favor and never mention that name again.
Why didn't TS feel like noob-town? Elaborate this one to me.
I don't like your reasoning regarding Amyrlin Seat. How do you feel about other players than you or kpaca? Generic? Rhand? Void?
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A little testy aren't we? Especially since that was not even directed at you. Why did you feel it necessary to chainsaw your way into that exchange? Kpaca never even replied to it...
I wasnt commenting for Kpaca's sake. I was commenting for my own. If I never see that *expletive deleted*'s name again it will be too soon.
Why didn't TS feel like noob-town? Elaborate this one to me.
I don't like your reasoning regarding Amyrlin Seat. How do you feel about other players than you or kpaca? Generic? Rhand? Void?
Gut reads, are exactly that. Trying to explain a gut read to someone else isnt going to make any sense, especially if their gut is saying something different.
Like it or not, that is my reasoning right now.
I'm leaning town on Generic because so far his posts feel like they are coming from a town mindset, but I have never played with him before so I cannot be sure just yet if that is in fact the case.
Same goes for the opposite read I have on Rhand.
Really at this point the only person I know the alignment of for sure is my own.
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A little testy aren't we? Especially since that was not even directed at you. Why did you feel it necessary to chainsaw your way into that exchange? Kpaca never even replied to it...
I wasnt commenting for Kpaca's sake. I was commenting for my own. If I never see that *expletive deleted*'s name again it will be too soon.
Why didn't TS feel like noob-town? Elaborate this one to me.
I don't like your reasoning regarding Amyrlin Seat. How do you feel about other players than you or kpaca? Generic? Rhand? Void?
Gut reads, are exactly that. Trying to explain a gut read to someone else isnt going to make any sense, especially if their gut is saying something different.
Like it or not, that is my reasoning right now.
I'm leaning town on Generic because so far his posts feel like they are coming from a town mindset, but I have never played with him before so I cannot be sure just yet if that is in fact the case.
Same goes for the opposite read I have on Rhand.
Really at this point the only person I know the alignment of for sure is my own.
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@Tordeck you said I was was easy game as scum...so you should be able to elaborate more than "it's my gut feeling". Seems pretty scummy, no?
I'm certainly not rianalnn and I am certainly doing valuable things. It's been 4 pages of white noise what more do you want? I at least have given you all who to give the seat to. Me.
Think about it, if I'm scum you've already lost. Also if I'm scum I don't want the seat because having the seat means I have to fart around in the open and take suggestions from people. It would be so much easier to make a bunch of noise and depose the seat every night. Also, if I screw something up and get deposed and die its not like we lost our top analyst day 1. We need to vote someone for the seat we'll be okay deposing in like 2 days. Let's be honest people really like watching me die so we won't have some big debate if we're on day 3 and near lylo about losing someone necessary. I'm just important enough to actually be given the seat and not important enough to keep it forever. Got it? Good.
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I'm certainly not rianalnn and I am certainly doing valuable things. It's been 4 pages of white noise what more do you want? I at least have given you all who to give the seat to. Me.
Think about it, if I'm scum you've already lost. Also if I'm scum I don't want the seat because having the seat means I have to fart around in the open and take suggestions from people. It would be so much easier to make a bunch of noise and depose the seat every night. Also, if I screw something up and get deposed and die its not like we lost our top analyst day 1. We need to vote someone for the seat we'll be okay deposing in like 2 days. Let's be honest people really like watching me die so we won't have some big debate if we're on day 3 and near lylo about losing someone necessary. I'm just important enough to actually be given the seat and not important enough to keep it forever. Got it? Good.
Because I think it's an incredibly broken game mechanic, I Don't want the scum to have it, and then I'm vanilla town so once again, if I die, nothing of value is lost.
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Because I think it's an incredibly broken game mechanic, I Don't want the scum to have it, and then I'm vanilla town so once again, if I die, nothing of value is lost.
It seems there is a huge disconnect on how the seat should be used. I'm more in your camp where I believe the seat should be in the hands of VT and I want it out of the hands of scum. Rhand thinks we should put scum in the seat to have a chance at an extra lynch, this seems ambitious, if not dangerous.
Before we select who goes into the seat we should settle on a strategy for it's use. If half the people are voting for scummy types to lynch and half are voting a VT read to use the seat for our advantage than it's going to be hard to get the right person seated, no?
Someone that forcibly gets replaced out of every single game he played the last years does not have the right to call others horrible mafia players or even demanding that others vote him blindly to the seat. What are you going to do with it? Never use the double vote until someone takes over your slot after you disappeared again?
If all you're going to do this so maniest comeback is calling me names, then gtfo.
Dude, I wasn't forcibly replaced out. I left due to real life concerns one time, and technogical another. Get the **** over yourself. Get the **** over that I replaced. Like go cry in a ******* corner if you're still butthurt I replaced from some games a while ago. I don't know you, never knew you, and don't give a flying **** what you think about my real life. It's none of your business you tool.
Furthermore, your idea for the seat is ******* trash. Complete and utter trash. Am I calling you names like you implied? No. I'm not calling you trash. But I am calling your idea trash. It is trash. Trash mixed with water. Your idea is stink trash water. The smell of water, which is tepid and stagnant, mixed with rotting food matter and soiled plastic. That is your idea.
Also, anyone else notice how rhands major defense to anything I say he doesn't agree with is "hurrrrr, but kpaca replaced once so he's obv not very smart durrrrrr".
And I'm not asking people to blindly vote me anymore than anyone else. If anything I've given more reasons to be voted into the seat than anyone else. Except you. And as I've explained anyone who likes your plan is either scum or is agreeing to a garbage plan.
I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I called your plan garbage, but I didn't call you names either for the record (until this post), so you can take those extra whines and "gtfo" as you so eloquently put it.
Also the hate because I had to replace started in the sign up thread before the game had begun, and has gone on long enough. If you continue to reference that in a defamatory way which doesn't relate to my activity in this game, I will simply just start reporting you for trolling.
Have a nice day :). Your plan is terrible.
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Also my vote for rhand is dead serious and I would like to lynch him, this is not related to how I don't like him but is related to how I think he's scum. Ta-ta
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Getting really sick of everyone bringing up games people were replaced into. Drop it please, or God help me I will wreck you like I did the Colonial Army.
Please be careful with calling people terrible mafia players. We are toeing the line between attacking the player and the action.
Also if I'm scum I don't want the seat because having the seat means I have to fart around in the open and take suggestions from people. It would be so much easier to make a bunch of noise and depose the seat every night.
So, you're saying scum will use the seat as a second NK. You're saying scum want town in the seat. And your proposed plan is... "I'm town, put me in the seat"? I don't believe that.
So, you're saying scum will use the seat as a second NK. You're saying scum want town in the seat. And your proposed plan is... "I'm town, put me in the seat"? I don't believe that.
vote kpaca
can you explain any of your logic to me? This seems like the most contrived vote evar.
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You said using the seat as a second lynch is a terrible idea. You said the seat has game-breaking power.
You said that as scum, you would use the seat as a second NK, and that as scum you would not want the seat.
These are directly contradictory. I don't believe that you think both of those are true at the same time. Therefore you're lying. Therefore you're scum.
You said using the seat as a second lynch is a terrible idea. You said the seat has game-breaking power.
You said that as scum, you would use the seat as a second NK, and that as scum you would not want the seat.
These are directly contradictory. I don't believe that you think both of those are true at the same time. Therefore you're lying. Therefore you're scum.
those are not directly contradictory.....
If I'm scum, I'd want to use the seat as a second nk.
If I'm town, I don't want to use the seat as a second lynch.
Where is the contradiction?
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Kpaca, I've largely ignored you up to now. But It's taken you getting emotional at Rhand to actually contribute something to this game beyond Telling everyone how wonderful you are at this game...
Actions speak louder than words as the saying goes. I don't tend to believe the guy who continually yells about how great he is. And rehashing how terrible the plan kami and Rhand brought up on page 1 after it has already been dismissed as stupid doesn't exactly put your play in the top bracket of me going against my wincon not to make you unlynchable and bulletproof...
In fact your input into this game so far makes you less of a target for scum of you are town because you haven't done anything... Except declare yourself vanilla which also negates a need to have you night protected:
I had toyed with identifying the doctor in the game and making them unkillable. Trouble there is that requires them to put themselves day 1 and risk the counterclaim by scum, or having to counter claim a scum player... When I don't even know what roles are in play in this.
But anyway, kami continues to be overlooked, like he has a cloak of invisibility to some... Which usually indicates a scum player.
are you even reading my posts? I basically just outlined how part of the reason I should be given the seat day 1 is I'm not super important, just above average important. Also, I didn't re-bring up rhands terrible plan. You did. Then rhand did.
You are clearly not reading posts so I'm going to ignore you until you do.
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And like i said last time you incorrectly questioned my actions, it's page 4 of day 1 and most of the posts are white noise. What more do you want? Last time I asked this you said you wanted a comment on the two ideologies behind seat voting. I have you said comment, and your reaction was to complain that I brought up rhands plan? Seriously? Ha hahahaha @ you good sir.
Things I have contributed to this game:
1.) identifying rhand as scum
2.) laying out a smart plan for seat voting
Things generic has contributed to this game:
1) questions with no definitive conclusions drawn
2) complaints about people's activity.
I'd say we're about even pal.
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The man who literally said "my scum hunting is just swinging a bat right now" simultaneously complains because people "aren't doing anything".......on page 4.
Man things have changed around here lol.
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You said using the seat as a second lynch is a terrible idea. You said the seat has game-breaking power.
You said that as scum, you would use the seat as a second NK, and that as scum you would not want the seat.
These are directly contradictory. I don't believe that you think both of those are true at the same time. Therefore you're lying. Therefore you're scum.
those are not directly contradictory.....
If I'm scum, I'd want to use the seat as a second nk.
If I'm town, I don't want to use the seat as a second lynch.
Where is the contradiction?
The bolded part. Exactly how would you use it as a second NK?
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By not having the seat. And trying to kill the guy in the seat. That would be an optimal plan as scum. Now that I've spelled it out they are probably taking this plan.
Seriously it's like you guys want there to be some noob scum slip contradiction so bad you're looking for them at the expense of.....reading words.
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Since I voted for Rhand, several of Tordeck's posts have been nervous as all hell. I was pretty surprised to see him call me "easy scum" off something so little, seemed pushed. The self-conscious need to let everyone know he's taking some time away also seemed like he was over-thinking things. He makes me feel very uncomfortable and I think that's a lot worse than disagreeing with Rhand on seat usage. If Tordeck doesn't do a believable makeover on himself I'll likely vote him by day's end.
He asked me why I unvoted. There is nothing for me to convince him of. I just gave my reasons. Strange that you think I should be actively trying to convince others of why I unvoted. Am I just not understanding your meaning? Additionally why would I "probe into Tordeck" on a procedural unvote post? Anyway this is my first regular game of Mafia. I just finished a mini in the forum. Very likely I'm going to do things differently than regulars, as I have no idea what regulars do.
That's correct.
I'll try my best.
Meh, that trainwreck won't be the best game to compare your behavior to, but the self-consciousness in that post was iffy. You're on my radar.
Not only was it the third vote on the wagon, but it was naked and his first post of the game. When you take all of the factors and add them together, yes I stand by my call.
Just didnt feel like something noob-town would do.
If you are asking how I think it should be used, that ive already commented on. If you are asking who I think should have it. I vote for myself. Kpaca and I while having been out of the game for awhile are the most experienced here and the following quote explains why I wont vote for him to have the seat.
The strongest player in this game is Kpaca, but I will be the first admit that I can never read him and have voted to lynch him in the past simply "because Kpaca".
Do yourself a favor and never mention that name again.
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You're kidding, right?
A little testy aren't we? Especially since that was not even directed at you. Why did you feel it necessary to chainsaw your way into that exchange? Kpaca never even replied to it...
I have voted for Bur, except his lack of posting has me worried right this second.
Ditto.
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Town:
Bur - Duh.
Generic - Been actively trying to solve this game from get-go.
Huntzilla - for being natural
Rhand - How he changed opinion about Amyrlin Seat doesn't look like a scum-backpedaling.
Neutral:
Necarg - good points, but I'd like to see more content
Void - ditto
TappingStones - newbie!something
Scum:
Tordeck - Awful approach to Rhand's and TS's wagons.
KamikazeArchon - I see lots of words but not much serious content. All this theorycrafting and he feels like he's avoiding contact with other players.
Waiting something worth reading from these guys:
Kpaca
aquaumisa
Plowshares
(Top two towns: Generic and Huntzilla. Top two scums: Kami and Tordeck)
@Huntzilla: Where did you hear the name Rianalnn?
Why didn't TS feel like noob-town? Elaborate this one to me.
I don't like your reasoning regarding Amyrlin Seat. How do you feel about other players than you or kpaca? Generic? Rhand? Void?
I find this post rather amusing, considering that Huntzilla was co-modding with me CCMIX this summer...
Gut reads, are exactly that. Trying to explain a gut read to someone else isnt going to make any sense, especially if their gut is saying something different.
Like it or not, that is my reasoning right now.
I'm leaning town on Generic because so far his posts feel like they are coming from a town mindset, but I have never played with him before so I cannot be sure just yet if that is in fact the case.
Same goes for the opposite read I have on Rhand.
Really at this point the only person I know the alignment of for sure is my own.
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@Tordeck you said I was was easy game as scum...so you should be able to elaborate more than "it's my gut feeling". Seems pretty scummy, no?
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Vote Count 1.3
Plowshares(1): Aquaumisa
Aquaumisa (1): Bur,
Rhand (3): Tordeck, Kpaca, Void
Generic (1): Huntzilla
Tordeck (1): Rhand
Not voting (5): Necarg, Generic, KamikazeArchon, Plowshares, Tappingstones
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, and 6 to depose. Deadline: Frozen at 28 days
Prod check initiating, all players with a post 3 days or more ago are being poked.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
VOTE:Tordeck
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Think about it, if I'm scum you've already lost. Also if I'm scum I don't want the seat because having the seat means I have to fart around in the open and take suggestions from people. It would be so much easier to make a bunch of noise and depose the seat every night. Also, if I screw something up and get deposed and die its not like we lost our top analyst day 1. We need to vote someone for the seat we'll be okay deposing in like 2 days. Let's be honest people really like watching me die so we won't have some big debate if we're on day 3 and near lylo about losing someone necessary. I'm just important enough to actually be given the seat and not important enough to keep it forever. Got it? Good.
Why do you want the seat so badly?
It seems there is a huge disconnect on how the seat should be used. I'm more in your camp where I believe the seat should be in the hands of VT and I want it out of the hands of scum. Rhand thinks we should put scum in the seat to have a chance at an extra lynch, this seems ambitious, if not dangerous.
Before we select who goes into the seat we should settle on a strategy for it's use. If half the people are voting for scummy types to lynch and half are voting a VT read to use the seat for our advantage than it's going to be hard to get the right person seated, no?
There glad we're on the same page now.
If all you're going to do this so maniest comeback is calling me names, then gtfo.
Furthermore, your idea for the seat is ******* trash. Complete and utter trash. Am I calling you names like you implied? No. I'm not calling you trash. But I am calling your idea trash. It is trash. Trash mixed with water. Your idea is stink trash water. The smell of water, which is tepid and stagnant, mixed with rotting food matter and soiled plastic. That is your idea.
Also, anyone else notice how rhands major defense to anything I say he doesn't agree with is "hurrrrr, but kpaca replaced once so he's obv not very smart durrrrrr".
And I'm not asking people to blindly vote me anymore than anyone else. If anything I've given more reasons to be voted into the seat than anyone else. Except you. And as I've explained anyone who likes your plan is either scum or is agreeing to a garbage plan.
I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I called your plan garbage, but I didn't call you names either for the record (until this post), so you can take those extra whines and "gtfo" as you so eloquently put it.
Also the hate because I had to replace started in the sign up thread before the game had begun, and has gone on long enough. If you continue to reference that in a defamatory way which doesn't relate to my activity in this game, I will simply just start reporting you for trolling.
Have a nice day :). Your plan is terrible.
Please be careful with calling people terrible mafia players. We are toeing the line between attacking the player and the action.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
vote kpaca
You said that as scum, you would use the seat as a second NK, and that as scum you would not want the seat.
These are directly contradictory. I don't believe that you think both of those are true at the same time. Therefore you're lying. Therefore you're scum.
If I'm scum, I'd want to use the seat as a second nk.
If I'm town, I don't want to use the seat as a second lynch.
Where is the contradiction?
You are clearly not reading posts so I'm going to ignore you until you do.
Things I have contributed to this game:
1.) identifying rhand as scum
2.) laying out a smart plan for seat voting
Things generic has contributed to this game:
1) questions with no definitive conclusions drawn
2) complaints about people's activity.
I'd say we're about even pal.
Man things have changed around here lol.
The bolded part. Exactly how would you use it as a second NK?
Seriously it's like you guys want there to be some noob scum slip contradiction so bad you're looking for them at the expense of.....reading words.
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