I finished looking at Decerebrate. I actually don't feel that it's very likely he's scum; the only way I could see it is if Dec is scumbuddies with Sept, but even that just doesn't quite feel right.
That said he really doesn't have anything that grips me and says that he's town either.
I'm not interested in a Dec lynch for the foreseeable future.
Catching up, taking notes, etc. Ask me stuff if you want or whatever.
In the meantime, Vote septicemia because he be actin supah scum.
Last post was to get reactions while I caught up on other things, I was skim reading then, those were my very first impressions.
By my count that's L-2 which means juunn can hammer whenever and you people will give him a free pass.
I'm sure july can name me if he wants, he's the only other person with a guess left and my identity is no secret.
I'm vanilla town. No benefits from naming or being named.
Seppel's play is standard seppel play, distracts everyone while the scum can float under the radar. He's probably town and I still don't like it.
That Iso is railing on me in spite of knowing my MO is a null tell, it's not like there's much for good comparison.
Wheat and Dec are clearly town, juunn is still playing a stupidly bad game, and Octo has a dead-on read on march for the same reasons wheat thinks he's got a read on me for juunn (he doesn't believe what he's saying but knows I'm a safe mislynch that he won't be held responsible for) Febbre is probably town, Divi and yuli I can't read because they have so little to say. Safe bet one of them is scum.
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****, I’m so pissed I wasted my naming on October, I don’t know why I had such a strong Iso/Seppel brothers read on him. Additional note, I think the Mod is probably suffering from mixed emotions: on the one hand, a gimmick game is brilliant, especially with the naming mechanic. On the other, 1/3 of the game getting named Day 1 sucks.
Who do you think is scum Dec???
Will be watching Septicemia but Im not super convinced
Town reads:
Iso/Seppel brothers: Seppel is an "innocent until proven guilty" player. If he's still alive a day before Lylo, he should be strongly considered an auto-lynch, Iso is guilty by genetics.
September: Bad play is not reason enough to lynch someone. Especially given his claimed inability to make good reads on Day 1. Especially given the likelihood he's feeling rusty.
W_G: I have a hard-time seeing double-vote gifting on scum. In addition, his behavior has been very townie.
October: The Seppel fooling has me confused. Did I just confuse my townie read with a Seppel read? You've quickly started to pressure me, which I like, but I don't know why you're so flippantly disagree with me at every stage.
Feb: I like his posts on page 4.
March: Gut feel, nothing offensive, just solid play so far. Definitely nothing strong enough for me to color his name in my notes.
Null Read on August. I have one bad post down for August, but it's not significant enough for him to move off neutral.
Scum Reads (in increasing strength):
Hunt - Something was weird about his desire to be named. Hunt should probably be on my neutral pile, but I can't shake this feeling.
June - I do. not. like. the naming of W_G.
July - Is picking the lurker low hanging fruit? Probably. Does his most recent post make me feel any better? No. Vote: July
@Iso: I guess I was vague about what I believe you about now. I meant your list of reads with everyone's real identity. I believe you more now, because you know who I am. Also to be fair to both of us and regardless of how you've played so far this game, I don't think I ever enjoyed your playstyle, despite its results.
That's too bad. I've always enjoyed you quite a bit, in-game and out.
Goddamnit. That came out wrong too. I need my actual identity because I feel like every single thing I say in this one comes out wrong. I like you and playing in games with you, but players who post in high volumes make it difficult for me to get reads on them and the game as a whole, especially on Day 1. I hate reading lots of posts in the same voice and/or walls of text (which of course this post is turning into)
I decided to see who was in this game, since Sep is playing Babby's First Scumgame.
Charm_Master3125 -- Could be a little rusty?
KamikazeArchon -- Really reads as KA, but would he be this obvious after already crashing and burning as scum in the last game I was in with him?
Necarg -- Some unknown. Sep is most likely Necarg.
None of these are real identities are who I believe Sep to be. Again a reminder to everyone: “Playing poorly is not a scum tell, it just means they’re bad/having a bad game”
[quote from="Decerebrate »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/617101-true-name-mafia-day-1-masks-under-cowls?comment=92"]OctopusToes, I name you Seppel
If you aren't Seppel, then you have to be his twin or something.
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@Sept:I'm cool with you, just don't get any dumb ideas.
For clarity, my final @ was supposed to be @September, not at Seppel, who is apparently not Octopus.
@Feb: Because I'm confident I can name September. I wasn't confident about October and was guessing on a hunch.
@Oct: I'm not comfortable with lynching September because of who I believe his true name is and based on his behavior I don't think he's scum.
You're confident that you can name September so you asked him if he wanted you to but then you took a guess on Oct because you were less confident - but your post doesn't seem like you weren't confident and, what if you had been right about Octopus? Still doesn't jive that you wouldn't have similar concern about being correct about him. You're basically saying that you felt confident guessing because you were less confident you'd be right... so why guess then? It feels like you're making up logic on the back end.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense logically, because it was stupid. I don’t know why I thought it was a good idea, frankly. I should have just named Sep and moved on.
Vote: Jan
I read that the same way as Huntzilla. The only way Jan's post is useful in anyway, is if he does "Apr/Hunt" or the like. Since he didn't the post may as well have been him facerolling gibberish on the keyboard.
In fact, I just don't like Jan's playstyle at all so far.
You're agreeing with Hunt but one of the reasons Hunt suspects Jan is because he didn't post the reads under the gimmicks so he thinks that Jan was fishing for reactions to learn identities. He's saying Jan should have posted the reads as the gimmicks instead. You're saying that Jan's reads would have been useful if he'd posted his reads of the true identity alongside the gimmick - so your concern isn't actually that Jan is outing identities. The language also feels discrediting rather than that you think he's actually scum.
I feel like I’ve addressed this. Yes, I was discrediting it because I thought it was reaction inducing gimmick (which arguably it was, though the reads seem a lot better than I expected in this short term of hindsight).
Now I've seen Sep's claim of VT, I still dislike his lynch and I hope we can look elsewhere... like our lurking friend.
some thoughts at the moment...
Wheat_Grinder... i find it difficult to believe that Septemicia_Itis and Dec are scum together, The way that Dec defended Sept suggests to me that they Aren't scumbuddehs.
YuLying2Me- How did the Reactions from your First post help you in any way???
And that wagon vote seems very Fishy.
unvote vote YuLying2Me
Septimicia Might be town with his last post, YuLying, Give me a reason as to NOT vote for you.
Reads
Getting the job done- have a town lean on them, their general attitude is basically that of sticking to the task at hand.
Wheat_Grinder
Huntzilla
Iso
Seppel
Decerberate
Straying from the point.
the febbre; I feel that the emphasis on substance, (granted I added to it,) falls into this category.
Divi; There's just something about your posts. (general reading doesnt really do much)
Septemicia; I didnt like his posts early on but his last post is ok.
This is INCREDIBLY off-putting. Double Votes are lethal at LyLo but need to be vetted or else dealt with as soon as they're made public in my opinion. probably the only thing WORSE than a scum multivoter is a town multivoter who doesn't know who's scum.
Ping!
(scumdar)
1st off, he votes Jan but agrees with him on Sept, 2nd, no vote on Sept.
Catching up, taking notes, etc. Ask me stuff if you want or whatever.
In the meantime, Vote septicemia because he be actin supah scum.
Last post was to get reactions while I caught up on other things, I was skim reading then, those were my very first impressions.
This is where I come in, and say I do... everyone else in their vote for Sept, gave somewhat of a reason... but you, not really, add to that the inactivity blues, and my biased opinion, but yeah.
Catching up, taking notes, etc. Ask me stuff if you want or whatever.
In the meantime, Vote septicemia because he be actin supah scum.
Last post was to get reactions while I caught up on other things, I was skim reading then, those were my very first impressions.
What reactions were you hoping to obtain? What reactions did you obtain and how do you plan to use them?
By my count that's L-2 which means juunn can hammer whenever and you people will give him a free pass.
I'm sure july can name me if he wants, he's the only other person with a guess left and my identity is no secret.
I'm vanilla town. No benefits from naming or being named.
Seppel's play is standard seppel play, distracts everyone while the scum can float under the radar. He's probably town and I still don't like it.
That Iso is railing on me in spite of knowing my MO is a null tell, it's not like there's much for good comparison.
Wheat and Dec are clearly town, juunn is still playing a stupidly bad game, and Octo has a dead-on read on march for the same reasons wheat thinks he's got a read on me for juunn (he doesn't believe what he's saying but knows I'm a safe mislynch that he won't be held responsible for) Febbre is probably town, Divi and yuli I can't read because they have so little to say. Safe bet one of them is scum.
Anything else you want to ask, please do so.
Sure. Why is your play so different here than it was in our last game together? (If you don't remember which that was, it was a Mini that started with a P.) Also, I'm not sure I believe that there could be VTs in this game.
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****, I’m so pissed I wasted my naming on October, I don’t know why I had such a strong Iso/Seppel brothers read on him. Additional note, I think the Mod is probably suffering from mixed emotions: on the one hand, a gimmick game is brilliant, especially with the naming mechanic. On the other, 1/3 of the game getting named Day 1 sucks.
Why does 1/3 of the game getting named on Day 1 suck?
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July - Is picking the lurker low hanging fruit? Probably. Does his most recent post make me feel any better? No. Vote: July
I'm waiting on July to post something telling, myself. I'll say why later because saying so now would out his identity.
@Iso: I guess I was vague about what I believe you about now. I meant your list of reads with everyone's real identity. I believe you more now, because you know who I am. Also to be fair to both of us and regardless of how you've played so far this game, I don't think I ever enjoyed your playstyle, despite its results.
That's too bad. I've always enjoyed you quite a bit, in-game and out.
Goddamnit. That came out wrong too. I need my actual identity because I feel like every single thing I say in this one comes out wrong. I like you and playing in games with you, but players who post in high volumes make it difficult for me to get reads on them and the game as a whole, especially on Day 1. I hate reading lots of posts in the same voice and/or walls of text (which of course this post is turning into)
Ah, that's fair. Thanks for clarifying.
Also, I like this segment, here. Dec feels like if he were revealed as himself, that he would be coming across clearer, which rings as sincere and townie to me.
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I think I'm gonna pursue my gut, here. Vote March
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@Sept: What are your thoughts on February vs. March early on? Distancing attempt?
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lol wheat. sept is scum. stop screwin around with jun. no one cares about him namin u. if i knew ur real name i would of named u myself.
p. sure may is lyin but worth tryin. may, i name you seppel
Unvote, vote Divi
This vote isn't changing and I might as well check out until Divi is lynched.
Also, Jan, I name you Iso.
Why did you keep your vote on Dec over Sept in 173?
No reason. I'll hammer Sep if it comes down to it.
At this point Sep is absolutely hilarious. It's like he doesn't even realize he's caught scum. He just keeps on doing more and more of this stuff.
You'll hammer Sep if it comes down to it but you believe that he's caught scum. So why only if it comes down to it and why does pushing Divi take priority?
@June: I believe you're misunderstanding me. I'm 99% sure I know who September is. Additionally, his behavior is not scummy in my eyes, despite a number of you supposing that he is. I don't understand your suggestion that I'm attempting to appear as though I'm scum hunting. I'm disagree on points that are mostly related to tonal scummyness, which I believe are both terrible reasons to pursue someone D1 AND are not scummy based on who I believe September is.
I'm back from V/LA and trying to catch up on the game. I see I've garnered votes for being kind of ****tarded. I accept them and do my best to address them after I'm caught back up.
@Iso: I'm more inclined to believe you now, though not solely because of your identity being revealed now.
December was dismissive before he left of the reads on him saying that poorly worded things apparently equalled scummy in this game but his return basically says that the votes on him are justified and he accepts them. Firstly, his perepsctive is very different when approaching the same issue after taking more heat. Secondly, saying you accept the votes on you carte blanche feels like an attempt to appease by validating the reasoning of the voters. It lacks the suspicion that he should have if he were Town because, you'd think he'd think that some scum were pushing him if he thought he was playing poorly, and he was accepting the votes on himself before having caught up with his read. I feel like that post is trying to diffuse and I don't think I believe the catch up.
I want to lynch either March or Dec.
@Hunt - If you think Iso's reads were standard Iso and that changed your read on him, why didn't you consider that January might have been Iso beforehand?
@Sept - Why do you think Dec is clearly Town?
@Iso - Walk me through your read on both me and March.
Octo has a dead-on read on march for the same reasons wheat thinks he's got a read on me for juunn (he doesn't believe what he's saying but knows I'm a safe mislynch that he won't be held responsible for)
I don't see how Sept can reconcile this if he's town. Because if he was town, then I'd be wrong, and therefore the reasoning is bogus. Yet, he thinks that the same reasoning applied elsewhere is correct.
I just don't buy it. I am also not a fan of people suddenly leaving the Sept wagon.
some thoughts at the moment...
Wheat_Grinder... i find it difficult to believe that Septemicia_Itis and Dec are scum together, The way that Dec defended Sept suggests to me that they Aren't scumbuddehs.
I also find it hard to believe that they are scum together, as I said, because I have a hard time believing Dec is scum at all.
Sure. Why is your play so different here than it was in our last game together? (If you don't remember which that was, it was a Mini that started with a P.) Also, I'm not sure I believe that there could be VTs in this game.
Oh god that was an actual thing and not a drug-induced fever dream
After re-reading that, I think it was the fact that I had an ironclad claim in my pocket and could more or less hunt with impunity and no matter what the case against me was, I'd never get lynched. Here I'm VT and know my day1 play is horrible so I have to be conservative.
It's mostly gut but his play so far has been probing and trying to find more information, instead of acting on hidden information disguised as impulse. Cyan did that a lot and it was one of very few scumtells he had.
I don't see how Sept can reconcile this if he's town. Because if he was town, then I'd be wrong, and therefore the reasoning is bogus. Yet, he thinks that the same reasoning applied elsewhere is correct.
I just don't buy it. I am also not a fan of people suddenly leaving the Sept wagon.
You: Sept is scum - he doesn't believe Juunn is scum but knows Juunn is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
Oct: March is scum - he doesn't believe Sept is scum but knows Sept is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
There's nothing contradictory with those two statements.
You: Sept is scum - he doesn't believe Juunn is scum but knows Juunn is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
Oct: March is scum - he doesn't believe Sept is scum but knows Sept is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
But if you were town, you would realize that it's not legit in the one case. So why is legit in the other? Why is Oct right about March while I'm wrong about you, when it's the same complaint? That's the question I'm asking, and just saying that the people involved in each position are different is not enough.
Generally don't vote people just for pinging me once. I like to reread, see what's going on. Haven't reached that step this game.
Sept pinged him such that he called it out, but he's not comfortable voting until he re-reads and sees what's going on, but he says we haven't reached that step in the game yet despite Sept having been at L-2 with most people suspecting him and people expressing willingness to add votes. Basically it's nudging along the wagon without taking ownership of it.
December was dismissive before he left of the reads on him saying that poorly worded things apparently equalled scummy in this game but his return basically says that the votes on him are justified and he accepts them. Firstly, his perepsctive is very different when approaching the same issue after taking more heat. Secondly, saying you accept the votes on you carte blanche feels like an attempt to appease by validating the reasoning of the voters. It lacks the suspicion that he should have if he were Town because, you'd think he'd think that some scum were pushing him if he thought he was playing poorly, and he was accepting the votes on himself before having caught up with his read. I feel like that post is trying to diffuse and I don't think I believe the catch up.
I feel like that's a natural progression of townie emotion for getting run up for reasons one might perceive as dumb. "God dammit you guys are suspecting me I hate being a distraction. Grahr," to "*Sigh* I get it, just give me a chance to clear this up."
I dunno. Maybe I'm the only other person this happens to?
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@Iso - Walk me through your read on both me and March.
Well, you saw my T/S list, and why I was initially scumreading you. March started prodding you early but then completely dropped it, almost like he forgot what he was doing. Given what I know of his play, this is completely out of character for him. It looked like a softball, and then he started pushing on me for awful reasons using backwards logic. Ultimately, the conclusion is that March is scum, whether he's buddies with you or not. I'll give you a bit more time to get figured out, because I know I have a habit of scumreading you early, so maybe that was just the natural progression of typical events. Either way, this means March needs to die.
Sure. Why is your play so different here than it was in our last game together? (If you don't remember which that was, it was a Mini that started with a P.) Also, I'm not sure I believe that there could be VTs in this game.
Oh god that was an actual thing and not a drug-induced fever dream
After re-reading that, I think it was the fact that I had an ironclad claim in my pocket and could more or less hunt with impunity and no matter what the case against me was, I'd never get lynched. Here I'm VT and know my day1 play is horrible so I have to be conservative.
I figured that was going to be your response. But your play isn't conservative; if anything, it's weird. Additionally, how do you reconcile that playing conservatively is generally something that power roles do? Sounds to me like your primary focus is on not being lynched, which I can't see coming from you as VT.
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But if you were town, you would realize that it's not legit in the one case. So why is legit in the other? Why is Oct right about March while I'm wrong about you, when it's the same complaint? That's the question I'm asking, and just saying that the people involved in each position are different is not enough.
You have the line of thinking that I'm only railing on Juunn because he's a safe mislynch that I won't get called out for. The core argument (Scum hops on a townie wagon, not believing they're scum but knowing they won't be held responsible for the mislynch) is still valid. Oct appears to be using similar logic on March, and I feel that he's correct.
I figured that was going to be your response. But your play isn't conservative; if anything, it's weird. Additionally, how do you reconcile that playing conservatively is generally something that power roles do? Sounds to me like your primary focus is on not being lynched, which I can't see coming from you as VT.
Walk me through it more in-depth.
Playing conservative is NOT something power roles should do. They should use the information they have (and can have) to be aggressive with scumhunting, knowing they have an ironclad alibi if people see their aggression as scummy. I was trying to not make waves, to take other people's analyses and make reads based on how I see things compared to the common suspects to decide which wagon I want to hop on.
Can you expand on this in a bit more detail?
I don't see it as scum distancing from each other. I'm thinking March is scum for wantonly jumping on the wagon, and his interaction with febbre doesn't seem forced in the way that two scumbuddies trying to stay distant.
I feel like that's a natural progression of townie emotion for getting run up for reasons one might perceive as dumb. "God dammit you guys are suspecting me I hate being a distraction. Grahr," to "*Sigh* I get it, just give me a chance to clear this up."
I dunno. Maybe I'm the only other person this happens to?
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The ad hom is so real in this post. Why more people aren't jumping on this wagon baffles me.
I don't consider teasing him to be "ad hom". My primary argument is that he cannot take my own hint. Neither of us can take a hint from the other it would so appear.
Wheat and Dec are clearly town, juunn is still playing a stupidly bad game,
Was that really necessary?
which means juunn can hammer whenever and you people will give him a free pass.
You can't honestly believe me slamming you into the ground would get me a free pass. I actually thought you were Jobie, but the hurtful comment and sheer scumminess of this statement means you obviously aren't him. Since you like throwing mafia terms around, how about fear mongering?
Sept is Charm.
Played one game with him a long time ago. Knew it wasn't Jobie.
Wheat's right. Anyone unvoting off a claimed vanilla should u-turn right the **** now. I swear not to end until the we have finished whatever discussion is left to go, but I refuse to seek another wagon. That said, I would like the second scummiest player to name me. Unvote, Unvote
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Could someone name me? It seems obvious who I am, and I really can't deal with using this gimmick account right now.
Meanwhile:
Pg. 1: hunt oddly wanted to be named, thinking that people would say, "oh, that's classic Hunt, it's no problem," when he hadn't done anything scummy at the time. Makes me a bit suspicious.
Slight town eye to the people who called out Hunt on that.
March was oddly unphased by hunt's statements, which strikes me as odd.
Jan seems somewhat overconfident.
Pg. 2: I don't like juunn rhyming, or his double vote.
No read on Dec.
Pg. 3: Jan is REALLY overconfident. Like, REALLY overconfident.
March is right. Jan's defense for saying that he's cracked who everyone is.
Pg. 4: I skimmed and, at the time, didn't know that naming Wheat gave him x2-vote.
1st post Didn't get much in the vein of reactions.
Feb seems ok.
For the reasons people have said, Sept seems scummy recently.
Pg.5. Generally got lackluster responses.meh.
One hint: I like wagons, I'm lazy, i was recently gone, and I'm not Sept.
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I was wondering if my hints weren't obvious enough. They were as obvious as needed.
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My primary argument is that he cannot take my own hint. Neither of us can take a hint from the other it would so appear.
You keep saying this, yet it's terribly obvious. Just because we haven't called special attention to it doesn't mean we're blind to what you've been saying.
Guessing you missed. Also worth noting I'm the only person with a guess left today. If you want to be named I have to do it.
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My primary argument is that he cannot take my own hint. Neither of us can take a hint from the other it would so appear.
You keep saying this, yet it's terribly obvious. Just because we haven't called special attention to it doesn't mean we're blind to what you've been saying.
Catching up, taking notes, etc. Ask me stuff if you want or whatever.
In the meantime, Vote septicemia because he be actin supah scum.
Last post was to get reactions while I caught up on other things, I was skim reading then, those were my very first impressions.
What reactions were you hoping to obtain? What reactions did you obtain and how do you plan to use them?
I was hoping to get reactions other than just "why". I was hoping to get a statement telling me I'm wrong. Why?
-Because it could help me get reads or names.
-Because it could help me catch up.
It is, because you really ARE playing a stupidly bad game
.......
Let me run through this game. I named you. For my own reason. I did it because I thought you were being shady as *****. The second I sensed the game getting serious, I stopped the rhyming schtick, while you decided to be cute with the old tongue. I try to hint that I named you not only for the bonus you seemed to be implying, but also for my own reasons. We tussle, I ask the question of why did you just stop ALL naming? I don't believe you actually answered that. I have a feeling there are other powers granted to people who get a correct guess.
The only part you might call bad on my end, would be naming you (I call it smart on my end, aside from maybe ruffling your feathers). Unless I can justify why it was the correct, which I don't want to do at this point. You have two options: Option 1, you get me to L-2, and I claim. Option 2, you get over yourself, and watch my behavior from now on (which I haven't done much, admittedly) and figure out if I am town or not. The flag I got from you was that you wanted to see a claim. That just strikes me as off. If you have that strong of a read on me, my claim shouldn't matter. The fact that it does implies that you are either faking your confidence, or you are role fishing. The only thing keeping my suspicion at bay was the fact that you were a double vote host.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We tussle, I ask the question of why did you just stop ALL naming? I don't believe you actually answered that. I have a feeling there are other powers granted to people who get a correct guess.
What? No, I didn't stop all naming, I only said people shouldn't name specifically ME (and at one point Iso, until Iso said he didn't care and then I was like whatever; I figured there might be other roles like mine that want to give away *****). And you already KNOW why I said people shouldn't ******* name me, because you've reaped the benefits of that reason.
Am I misunderstanding what you mean or something?
Option 1, you get me to L-2, and I claim.
I was trying to for a while but I no longer think it's necessary.
Option 2, you get over yourself, and watch my behavior from now on (which I haven't done much, admittedly) and figure out if I am town or not.
Oh hell no. Oh **** no. I HAVE ******* moved on from you because I've been actually trying to make ***** happen. Hell, even when I was still after you I was making things happen on the side. I'm trying to solve this ******* game and you just keep doing nothing besides piss in my face, over and over.
The flag I got from you was that you wanted to see a claim.
I did, at that point.
If you have that strong of a read on me, my claim shouldn't matter.
You're actually stupid if you believe this, because a large part of your alignment is necessarily going to come down to why you named me. I was going to call you stupid the last time you brought this up but thought better of it, but if you're bringing it up TWICE then you deserve it.
The fact that it does implies that you are either faking your confidence, or you are role fishing. The only thing keeping my suspicion at bay was the fact that you were a double vote host.
No, the problem is that I thought you were probably scum up until Sept made it really unlikely. Therefore, you were a scum with a shady-as-***** reason for doing something REALLY ANTI-TOWN that gave you something that made you REALLY ******* DANGEROUS.
If that's not worthy of making someone claim then what the **** is?
I've ******* HAD IT with your *****. If you're actually going to do something, then I'll accept your abuse all day, every day. But if you're going to just sit in your tree with a goddamn ammo box of feces and do nothing but sling ***** at me, I'm not gonna stand for it anymore.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll say it nice and slow just for you: Knowing you had an ability that gave to the person who named you, why did you not recommend no more naming period? Did the thought cross your brain someone else might have an ability similar to yours?
Oh hell no. Oh **** no. I HAVE ******* moved on from you because I've been actually trying to make ***** happen. Hell, even when I was still after you I was making things happen on the side. I'm trying to solve this ******* game and you just keep doing nothing besides piss in my face, over and over.
1). It's a recap. It literally means either make a move, or IGMEOY type deal. Questioning your motives =/= pissing in your face. If your skin was any bloody thinner, you would be a ******* skeleton.
2). Because of the above question, I didn't care for your response to my naming you. I don't like that the thought apparently didn't cross your mind.
You're actually stupid if you believe this, because a large part of your alignment is necessarily going to come down to why you named me. I was going to call you stupid the last time you brought this up but thought better of it, but if you're bringing it up TWICE then you deserve it.
You know what asking to see a claim looks like? A claim is a last resort. Unless I claim something so impossibly anti-scum, or confirmable role, you are going through with a lynch. You had that motivation, and while I obviously disagreed with it, I could see your justification. When you said you want to see the claim, all the confidence that I saw a townie who think he caught scum had dissipated. You looked like you were role fishing, which is what I got from it.
No, the problem is that I thought you were probably scum up until Sept made it really unlikely. Therefore, you were a scum with a shady-as-***** reason for doing something REALLY ANTI-TOWN that gave you something that made you REALLY ******* DANGEROUS.
Ok.
If that's not worthy of making someone claim then what the **** is?
I don't pussyfoot around. If I thought it would be the town's benefit to know my role, I would have shared it rather than slow roll the **** out of it.
I've ******* HAD IT with your *****. If you're actually going to do something, then I'll accept your abuse all day, every day. But if you're going to just sit in your tree with a goddamn ammo box of feces and do nothing but sling ***** at me, I'm not gonna stand for it anymore.
You think I am abusing you?Are you ******* serious? Get a grip, and get your stuff together. I have a feeling this might have been a giant misunderstanding. Let's see, where to begin:
My comments on the gamestate can be seen right above.
It's not my fault you have the innocence of a dove.
A dove is not negative. It was code for innocent = reading you town.
I give him (WG) lots of love
But being overzealous,
Makes me kind of jealous
You should trust, that my reasons are town
I like and respect you, but you are going over your head targeting me. Jealous....I just needed a word to rhyme with zelous. PR hinting was the obvious last part of that.
Are you sure you just aren't a little salty that I caught you, my dear comrade?
I figured dear comrade was an obvious sign that I was just messing around. I can use citizen next time if you prefer...
I am afraid you have no say on that, GrindMaster.
I personally thought saying I didn't have rights to the bolded was kind of a silly comment, so I responded in kind.
Is this your first trip to the rodeo?
It's a relatively common phrase. We both know it is not, and I couldn't honestly believe you thought I would claim because a single player was asking for it.
It really is only one reason, and trying to fabricate some anti-town reason to make it so doesn't change anything.
You can't actually believe that the only motivation has to be anti town for reveling a player's name. It was a thought that crossed my mind based on your role, that perhaps as many names as possible should be outed. I wasn't sure, so I was asking for opinions.
You either are no where near as confidant in your read in me as you're implying, or you simply have too much red on your fists.
I am implying you perhaps have an ulterior motive as a potential scum, or you are tunneling. That's it.
I will throw you to the ground, little man.
I thought your response was funny. I actually chuckled at my keyboard. I decided to link a rodeo bull to add to it (it was hard to find a clip that wasn't a few minutes).
My last post I did while I was angry. I am being silly, admittedly, but I am certainly trying to play the game. I felt the stupidly bad was not only inaccurate but also a touch insulting for my tastes. "You have two options: Option 1, you get me to L-2, and I claim. Option 2, you get over yourself, and watch my behavior from now on (which I haven't done much, admittedly)" should have been worded more like "Either I claim, or you are just going to have to IGMEOY." Instead, I lost a bit of my emotion, which is irritating for its own reason. My intent was never to cause you misery, and up until your last two posts, I thought we were both just screwing around with each other (this is supposed to be fun). After reading our interactions for the last hour, I can only assume we were both on opposite pages, and just didn't understand the other person. Can we try this again?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll say it nice and slow just for you: Knowing you had an ability that gave to the person who named you, why did you not recommend no more naming period? Did the thought cross your brain someone else might have an ability similar to yours?
I asked in my opening post if there was anyone who didn't want to be Named, for that very reason. When Iso sounded like he had a similar ability to mine, I drafted him into the defense league until he said he didn't want it.
I didn't recommend no naming period because I figured that not everyone would have a giveaway role like myself. And if most people did, it would become apparent after enough people asked not to be Named, and if such a thing had come to pass I WOULD have campaigned for no one to be Named, but until that point it seemed unnecessary.
You know what asking to see a claim looks like? A claim is a last resort. Unless I claim something so impossibly anti-scum, or confirmable role, you are going through with a lynch. You had that motivation, and while I obviously disagreed with it, I could see your justification. When you said you want to see the claim, all the confidence that I saw a townie who think he caught scum had dissipated. You looked like you were role fishing, which is what I got from it.
You have some wonky ideals about claiming in the first place.
I don't care how I looked when I asked for your claim. To me, figuring out if you're town with a double-vote or scum with a double-vote is a top priority because double votes are DANGEROUS.
Until Sept made you very unlikely to be scum, getting your claim was an important piece of the puzzle. If you're scum, you need to be lynched, ASAP. If you're town, then you need to be proved town ASAP to salvage the damage you did. I don't care if you had a reason or not, it is a detriment to have a double vote on you unless you are confirmed or at least very unlikely to be scum. We could have had the double vote on someone who WAS confirmed, or at the very least someone like Octo who's being super townie and making things happen.
I don't pussyfoot around. If I thought it would be the town's benefit to know my role, I would have shared it rather than slow roll the **** out of it.
And did I look like I was pussyfooting? I'm not that dense, I obviously saw that you wanted to hide your role. But I don't give a ***** about what you want, I only care about figuring out your alignment.
You think I am abusing you?Are you ******* serious? Get a grip, and get your stuff together. I have a feeling this might have been a giant misunderstanding.
I do think you're abusing me. I don't care what your explanations are, the facts are that you pretty much only respond to me, and you respond in a condescending manner despite having 0 accomplishments this game besides having done something super detrimental whether you knew it was going to be detrimental or not.
I'm done talking to you until you do something of value.
lol wheat. sept is scum. stop screwin around with jun. no one cares about him namin u. if i knew ur real name i would of named u myself.
p. sure may is lyin but worth tryin. may, i name you seppel
Unvote, vote Divi
This vote isn't changing and I might as well check out until Divi is lynched.
Also, Jan, I name you Iso.
Why did you keep your vote on Dec over Sept in 173?
No reason. I'll hammer Sep if it comes down to it.
At this point Sep is absolutely hilarious. It's like he doesn't even realize he's caught scum. He just keeps on doing more and more of this stuff.
You'll hammer Sep if it comes down to it but you believe that he's caught scum. So why only if it comes down to it and why does pushing Divi take priority?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As usual, Iso has it. I'm...pretty sure that's the most recent game I've played, actually. The :mad::mad: was mostly due to the fact that you were replacement Mod and there was a huge cluster**** in the changeover that cost the town the game (not your fault, but still :mad:)
Juunn's aggro on Wheat almost makes me think of grakthis for some reason.
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That said he really doesn't have anything that grips me and says that he's town either.
I'm not interested in a Dec lynch for the foreseeable future.
In the meantime,
Vote septicemia because he be actin supah scum.
Last post was to get reactions while I caught up on other things, I was skim reading then, those were my very first impressions.
I'm sure july can name me if he wants, he's the only other person with a guess left and my identity is no secret.
I'm vanilla town. No benefits from naming or being named.
Seppel's play is standard seppel play, distracts everyone while the scum can float under the radar. He's probably town and I still don't like it.
That Iso is railing on me in spite of knowing my MO is a null tell, it's not like there's much for good comparison.
Wheat and Dec are clearly town, juunn is still playing a stupidly bad game, and Octo has a dead-on read on march for the same reasons wheat thinks he's got a read on me for juunn (he doesn't believe what he's saying but knows I'm a safe mislynch that he won't be held responsible for) Febbre is probably town, Divi and yuli I can't read because they have so little to say. Safe bet one of them is scum.
Anything else you want to ask, please do so.
****, I’m so pissed I wasted my naming on October, I don’t know why I had such a strong Iso/Seppel brothers read on him. Additional note, I think the Mod is probably suffering from mixed emotions: on the one hand, a gimmick game is brilliant, especially with the naming mechanic. On the other, 1/3 of the game getting named Day 1 sucks.
Town reads:
Iso/Seppel brothers: Seppel is an "innocent until proven guilty" player. If he's still alive a day before Lylo, he should be strongly considered an auto-lynch, Iso is guilty by genetics.
September: Bad play is not reason enough to lynch someone. Especially given his claimed inability to make good reads on Day 1. Especially given the likelihood he's feeling rusty.
W_G: I have a hard-time seeing double-vote gifting on scum. In addition, his behavior has been very townie.
October: The Seppel fooling has me confused. Did I just confuse my townie read with a Seppel read? You've quickly started to pressure me, which I like, but I don't know why you're so flippantly disagree with me at every stage.
Feb: I like his posts on page 4.
March: Gut feel, nothing offensive, just solid play so far. Definitely nothing strong enough for me to color his name in my notes.
Null Read on August. I have one bad post down for August, but it's not significant enough for him to move off neutral.
Scum Reads (in increasing strength):
Hunt - Something was weird about his desire to be named. Hunt should probably be on my neutral pile, but I can't shake this feeling.
June - I do. not. like. the naming of W_G.
July - Is picking the lurker low hanging fruit? Probably. Does his most recent post make me feel any better? No.
Vote: July
Goddamnit. That came out wrong too. I need my actual identity because I feel like every single thing I say in this one comes out wrong. I like you and playing in games with you, but players who post in high volumes make it difficult for me to get reads on them and the game as a whole, especially on Day 1. I hate reading lots of posts in the same voice and/or walls of text (which of course this post is turning into)
None of these are real identities are who I believe Sep to be. Again a reminder to everyone: “Playing poorly is not a scum tell, it just means they’re bad/having a bad game”
Until you quickly slipped back into wall-of-text-y Seppel mode.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense logically, because it was stupid. I don’t know why I thought it was a good idea, frankly. I should have just named Sep and moved on.
I feel like I’ve addressed this. Yes, I was discrediting it because I thought it was reaction inducing gimmick (which arguably it was, though the reads seem a lot better than I expected in this short term of hindsight).
Now I've seen Sep's claim of VT, I still dislike his lynch and I hope we can look elsewhere... like our lurking friend.
Wheat_Grinder... i find it difficult to believe that Septemicia_Itis and Dec are scum together, The way that Dec defended Sept suggests to me that they Aren't scumbuddehs.
YuLying2Me- How did the Reactions from your First post help you in any way???
And that wagon vote seems very Fishy.
unvote vote YuLying2Me
Septimicia Might be town with his last post, YuLying, Give me a reason as to NOT vote for you.
Reads
Getting the job done- have a town lean on them, their general attitude is basically that of sticking to the task at hand.
Wheat_Grinder
Huntzilla
Iso
Seppel
Decerberate
Straying from the point.
the febbre; I feel that the emphasis on substance, (granted I added to it,) falls into this category.
Divi; There's just something about your posts. (general reading doesnt really do much)
Septemicia; I didnt like his posts early on but his last post is ok.
Somewhat scum reads
1st off, he votes Jan but agrees with him on Sept, 2nd, no vote on Sept.
This is where I come in, and say I do... everyone else in their vote for Sept, gave somewhat of a reason... but you, not really, add to that the inactivity blues, and my biased opinion, but yeah.
What reactions were you hoping to obtain? What reactions did you obtain and how do you plan to use them?
Sure. Why is your play so different here than it was in our last game together? (If you don't remember which that was, it was a Mini that started with a P.) Also, I'm not sure I believe that there could be VTs in this game.
Why does 1/3 of the game getting named on Day 1 suck?
I'm waiting on July to post something telling, myself. I'll say why later because saying so now would out his identity.
Ah, that's fair. Thanks for clarifying.
Also, I like this segment, here. Dec feels like if he were revealed as himself, that he would be coming across clearer, which rings as sincere and townie to me.
Unvote
I think I'm gonna pursue my gut, here. Vote March
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@Sept: What are your thoughts on February vs. March early on? Distancing attempt?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You'll hammer Sep if it comes down to it but you believe that he's caught scum. So why only if it comes down to it and why does pushing Divi take priority?
December was dismissive before he left of the reads on him saying that poorly worded things apparently equalled scummy in this game but his return basically says that the votes on him are justified and he accepts them. Firstly, his perepsctive is very different when approaching the same issue after taking more heat. Secondly, saying you accept the votes on you carte blanche feels like an attempt to appease by validating the reasoning of the voters. It lacks the suspicion that he should have if he were Town because, you'd think he'd think that some scum were pushing him if he thought he was playing poorly, and he was accepting the votes on himself before having caught up with his read. I feel like that post is trying to diffuse and I don't think I believe the catch up.
I want to lynch either March or Dec.
@Hunt - If you think Iso's reads were standard Iso and that changed your read on him, why didn't you consider that January might have been Iso beforehand?
@Sept - Why do you think Dec is clearly Town?
@Iso - Walk me through your read on both me and March.
What's your MTGS username? Oh thanks.
One good post while being run up forgives 10 scummy-as-hell posts? You best start believin' in VTs, Miss Turner.
I'm not persuaded by Sept's plea.
That's a good way to lose points with me.
Tell me about someone you're certain is town.
I don't see how Sept can reconcile this if he's town. Because if he was town, then I'd be wrong, and therefore the reasoning is bogus. Yet, he thinks that the same reasoning applied elsewhere is correct.
I just don't buy it. I am also not a fan of people suddenly leaving the Sept wagon.
I also find it hard to believe that they are scum together, as I said, because I have a hard time believing Dec is scum at all.
Oh god that was an actual thing and not a drug-induced fever dream
After re-reading that, I think it was the fact that I had an ironclad claim in my pocket and could more or less hunt with impunity and no matter what the case against me was, I'd never get lynched. Here I'm VT and know my day1 play is horrible so I have to be conservative.
Maybe? I am fairly sure they're not both scum, one might be.
It's mostly gut but his play so far has been probing and trying to find more information, instead of acting on hidden information disguised as impulse. Cyan did that a lot and it was one of very few scumtells he had.
Ask Iso, he knows.
Also, you were involved with that cluster**** Mini too.
You: Sept is scum - he doesn't believe Juunn is scum but knows Juunn is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
Oct: March is scum - he doesn't believe Sept is scum but knows Sept is a safe mislynch he won't be held responsible for.
There's nothing contradictory with those two statements.
But if you were town, you would realize that it's not legit in the one case. So why is legit in the other? Why is Oct right about March while I'm wrong about you, when it's the same complaint? That's the question I'm asking, and just saying that the people involved in each position are different is not enough.
Sept pinged him such that he called it out, but he's not comfortable voting until he re-reads and sees what's going on, but he says we haven't reached that step in the game yet despite Sept having been at L-2 with most people suspecting him and people expressing willingness to add votes. Basically it's nudging along the wagon without taking ownership of it.
Votes on March, please.
I feel like that's a natural progression of townie emotion for getting run up for reasons one might perceive as dumb. "God dammit you guys are suspecting me I hate being a distraction. Grahr," to "*Sigh* I get it, just give me a chance to clear this up."
I dunno. Maybe I'm the only other person this happens to?
Well, you saw my T/S list, and why I was initially scumreading you. March started prodding you early but then completely dropped it, almost like he forgot what he was doing. Given what I know of his play, this is completely out of character for him. It looked like a softball, and then he started pushing on me for awful reasons using backwards logic. Ultimately, the conclusion is that March is scum, whether he's buddies with you or not. I'll give you a bit more time to get figured out, because I know I have a habit of scumreading you early, so maybe that was just the natural progression of typical events. Either way, this means March needs to die.
I figured that was going to be your response. But your play isn't conservative; if anything, it's weird. Additionally, how do you reconcile that playing conservatively is generally something that power roles do? Sounds to me like your primary focus is on not being lynched, which I can't see coming from you as VT.
Walk me through it more in-depth.
Can you expand on this in a bit more detail?
Did you want me to out you, then?
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You have the line of thinking that I'm only railing on Juunn because he's a safe mislynch that I won't get called out for. The core argument (Scum hops on a townie wagon, not believing they're scum but knowing they won't be held responsible for the mislynch) is still valid. Oct appears to be using similar logic on March, and I feel that he's correct.
Playing conservative is NOT something power roles should do. They should use the information they have (and can have) to be aggressive with scumhunting, knowing they have an ironclad alibi if people see their aggression as scummy. I was trying to not make waves, to take other people's analyses and make reads based on how I see things compared to the common suspects to decide which wagon I want to hop on.
I don't see it as scum distancing from each other. I'm thinking March is scum for wantonly jumping on the wagon, and his interaction with febbre doesn't seem forced in the way that two scumbuddies trying to stay distant.
I've no problems with you doing so.
This definitely happens to me, too.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't consider teasing him to be "ad hom". My primary argument is that he cannot take my own hint. Neither of us can take a hint from the other it would so appear.
I will throw you to the ground, little man.
Was that really necessary?
You can't honestly believe me slamming you into the ground would get me a free pass. I actually thought you were Jobie, but the hurtful comment and sheer scumminess of this statement means you obviously aren't him. Since you like throwing mafia terms around, how about fear mongering?
Played one game with him a long time ago. Knew it wasn't Jobie.
Wheat's right. Anyone unvoting off a claimed vanilla should u-turn right the **** now. I swear not to end until the we have finished whatever discussion is left to go, but I refuse to seek another wagon. That said, I would like the second scummiest player to name me. Unvote, Unvote
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Meanwhile:
Pg. 1: hunt oddly wanted to be named, thinking that people would say, "oh, that's classic Hunt, it's no problem," when he hadn't done anything scummy at the time. Makes me a bit suspicious.
Slight town eye to the people who called out Hunt on that.
March was oddly unphased by hunt's statements, which strikes me as odd.
Jan seems somewhat overconfident.
Pg. 2: I don't like juunn rhyming, or his double vote.
No read on Dec.
Pg. 3: Jan is REALLY overconfident. Like, REALLY overconfident.
March is right. Jan's defense for saying that he's cracked who everyone is.
Pg. 4: I skimmed and, at the time, didn't know that naming Wheat gave him x2-vote.
1st post Didn't get much in the vein of reactions.
Feb seems ok.
For the reasons people have said, Sept seems scummy recently.
Pg.5. Generally got lackluster responses.meh.
One hint: I like wagons, I'm lazy, i was recently gone, and I'm not Sept.
Septicemia, I name you Charm_Master.
I asked you some questions, Necarg. Do answer them.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
...
I'm flattered.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I was wondering if my hints weren't obvious enough. They were as obvious as needed.
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It is, because you really ARE playing a stupidly bad game
It's like one of the only things I agree with Sept about.
you have to keep posting until someone actually Names you
but you should actually make posts where you do something too, that would be nice
You keep saying this, yet it's terribly obvious. Just because we haven't called special attention to it doesn't mean we're blind to what you've been saying.
Guessing you missed. Also worth noting I'm the only person with a guess left today. If you want to be named I have to do it.
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Forgot to post as the gimmick.
Please do name me. There may be something in it for you.
I was hoping to get reactions other than just "why". I was hoping to get a statement telling me I'm wrong. Why?
-Because it could help me get reads or names.
-Because it could help me catch up.
Instead, I got a bunch of people asking why.
.......
Let me run through this game. I named you. For my own reason. I did it because I thought you were being shady as *****. The second I sensed the game getting serious, I stopped the rhyming schtick, while you decided to be cute with the old tongue. I try to hint that I named you not only for the bonus you seemed to be implying, but also for my own reasons. We tussle, I ask the question of why did you just stop ALL naming? I don't believe you actually answered that. I have a feeling there are other powers granted to people who get a correct guess.
The only part you might call bad on my end, would be naming you (I call it smart on my end, aside from maybe ruffling your feathers). Unless I can justify why it was the correct, which I don't want to do at this point. You have two options: Option 1, you get me to L-2, and I claim. Option 2, you get over yourself, and watch my behavior from now on (which I haven't done much, admittedly) and figure out if I am town or not. The flag I got from you was that you wanted to see a claim. That just strikes me as off. If you have that strong of a read on me, my claim shouldn't matter. The fact that it does implies that you are either faking your confidence, or you are role fishing. The only thing keeping my suspicion at bay was the fact that you were a double vote host.
Did I miss anything? Please do tell.
Just gonna sit over here and bask in my awesome from getting everyone right (aside from my very first guess) so far.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What? No, I didn't stop all naming, I only said people shouldn't name specifically ME (and at one point Iso, until Iso said he didn't care and then I was like whatever; I figured there might be other roles like mine that want to give away *****). And you already KNOW why I said people shouldn't ******* name me, because you've reaped the benefits of that reason.
Am I misunderstanding what you mean or something?
I was trying to for a while but I no longer think it's necessary.
Oh hell no. Oh **** no. I HAVE ******* moved on from you because I've been actually trying to make ***** happen. Hell, even when I was still after you I was making things happen on the side. I'm trying to solve this ******* game and you just keep doing nothing besides piss in my face, over and over.
I did, at that point.
You're actually stupid if you believe this, because a large part of your alignment is necessarily going to come down to why you named me. I was going to call you stupid the last time you brought this up but thought better of it, but if you're bringing it up TWICE then you deserve it.
No, the problem is that I thought you were probably scum up until Sept made it really unlikely. Therefore, you were a scum with a shady-as-***** reason for doing something REALLY ANTI-TOWN that gave you something that made you REALLY ******* DANGEROUS.
If that's not worthy of making someone claim then what the **** is?
I've ******* HAD IT with your *****. If you're actually going to do something, then I'll accept your abuse all day, every day. But if you're going to just sit in your tree with a goddamn ammo box of feces and do nothing but sling ***** at me, I'm not gonna stand for it anymore.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll say it nice and slow just for you: Knowing you had an ability that gave to the person who named you, why did you not recommend no more naming period? Did the thought cross your brain someone else might have an ability similar to yours?
1). It's a recap. It literally means either make a move, or IGMEOY type deal. Questioning your motives =/= pissing in your face. If your skin was any bloody thinner, you would be a ******* skeleton.
2). Because of the above question, I didn't care for your response to my naming you. I don't like that the thought apparently didn't cross your mind.
You know what asking to see a claim looks like? A claim is a last resort. Unless I claim something so impossibly anti-scum, or confirmable role, you are going through with a lynch. You had that motivation, and while I obviously disagreed with it, I could see your justification. When you said you want to see the claim, all the confidence that I saw a townie who think he caught scum had dissipated. You looked like you were role fishing, which is what I got from it.
Ok.
I don't pussyfoot around. If I thought it would be the town's benefit to know my role, I would have shared it rather than slow roll the **** out of it.
You think I am abusing you?
Are you ******* serious? Get a grip, and get your stuff together.I have a feeling this might have been a giant misunderstanding. Let's see, where to begin:A dove is not negative. It was code for innocent = reading you town.
I like and respect you, but you are going over your head targeting me. Jealous....I just needed a word to rhyme with zelous. PR hinting was the obvious last part of that.
I figured dear comrade was an obvious sign that I was just messing around. I can use citizen next time if you prefer...
I personally thought saying I didn't have rights to the bolded was kind of a silly comment, so I responded in kind.
It's a relatively common phrase. We both know it is not, and I couldn't honestly believe you thought I would claim because a single player was asking for it.
You can't actually believe that the only motivation has to be anti town for reveling a player's name. It was a thought that crossed my mind based on your role, that perhaps as many names as possible should be outed. I wasn't sure, so I was asking for opinions.
I am implying you perhaps have an ulterior motive as a potential scum, or you are tunneling. That's it.
I thought your response was funny. I actually chuckled at my keyboard. I decided to link a rodeo bull to add to it (it was hard to find a clip that wasn't a few minutes).
My last post I did while I was angry. I am being silly, admittedly, but I am certainly trying to play the game. I felt the stupidly bad was not only inaccurate but also a touch insulting for my tastes. "You have two options: Option 1, you get me to L-2, and I claim. Option 2, you get over yourself, and watch my behavior from now on (which I haven't done much, admittedly)" should have been worded more like "Either I claim, or you are just going to have to IGMEOY." Instead, I lost a bit of my emotion, which is irritating for its own reason. My intent was never to cause you misery, and up until your last two posts, I thought we were both just screwing around with each other (this is supposed to be fun). After reading our interactions for the last hour, I can only assume we were both on opposite pages, and just didn't understand the other person. Can we try this again?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Eugh. Been too long since I've read him. ...I was in a game with him recently?
@Feb: quote it please, phone posting
I asked in my opening post if there was anyone who didn't want to be Named, for that very reason. When Iso sounded like he had a similar ability to mine, I drafted him into the defense league until he said he didn't want it.
I didn't recommend no naming period because I figured that not everyone would have a giveaway role like myself. And if most people did, it would become apparent after enough people asked not to be Named, and if such a thing had come to pass I WOULD have campaigned for no one to be Named, but until that point it seemed unnecessary.
You have some wonky ideals about claiming in the first place.
I don't care how I looked when I asked for your claim. To me, figuring out if you're town with a double-vote or scum with a double-vote is a top priority because double votes are DANGEROUS.
Until Sept made you very unlikely to be scum, getting your claim was an important piece of the puzzle. If you're scum, you need to be lynched, ASAP. If you're town, then you need to be proved town ASAP to salvage the damage you did. I don't care if you had a reason or not, it is a detriment to have a double vote on you unless you are confirmed or at least very unlikely to be scum. We could have had the double vote on someone who WAS confirmed, or at the very least someone like Octo who's being super townie and making things happen.
And did I look like I was pussyfooting? I'm not that dense, I obviously saw that you wanted to hide your role. But I don't give a ***** about what you want, I only care about figuring out your alignment.
I do think you're abusing me. I don't care what your explanations are, the facts are that you pretty much only respond to me, and you respond in a condescending manner despite having 0 accomplishments this game besides having done something super detrimental whether you knew it was going to be detrimental or not.
I'm done talking to you until you do something of value.
It's in personal options, isn't it? I've seen some quotes return the curses as asterisks so I can only assume some players have it on and some don't.
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Hang on, you want your scum read to guess your name because there may be something in it for him?
No, we were referring to Peso del Grande.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As usual, Iso has it. I'm...pretty sure that's the most recent game I've played, actually. The :mad::mad: was mostly due to the fact that you were replacement Mod and there was a huge cluster**** in the changeover that cost the town the game (not your fault, but still :mad:)
Juunn's aggro on Wheat almost makes me think of grakthis for some reason.
Currently Playing:
GBStandard - Golgari Safari MidrangeBG
RBWModern - Mardu PyromancerWBR
RLegacy - Good Old Fashioned BurnR
Clan Contest 3 Mafia - Mafia Co-MVP