Let's think about what actually happened yesterday, rather than this fantasy world where I'm both scum and psychic. Family started pushing a wagon on two people at once, a fairly classic scum opener because it lets them audible easily between several different strategies, and frequently lets them play 3-card Monty with their scum buddy. I tried hard to put them in a situation where they'd get punished for it, and guessed wrong.
That doesn't change the fact that Family played yesterday more like scum than anyone else did.
It meant that as someone coming into this form of mafia for this first time, it's hard to tell mafia from town because everyone is just talking crap about everyone. How can you discern one from another?
I dunno, how can you discern from interaction the intentions of a person leaning towards either getting town killed or discerning scum? It's such a hard thing to do because it's not like you can just look at how people are acting and interacting and stuff. It's not something that would ever pop up in any other form of Mafia, either. So, I dunno, I guess you just kinda flail around at random hoping to get lucky.
Well, for starters they like to push wagons based on non-tells (you vs Flamingo), and they also like to vote without taking any responsibility for their vote (you vs Crafters), and they also like to make out that they're suddenly way less competent than normal (you vs me).
I dunno, how can you discern from interaction the intentions of a person leaning towards either getting town killed or discerning scum? It's such a hard thing to do because it's not like you can just look at how people are acting and interacting and stuff. It's not something that would ever pop up in any other form of Mafia, either. So, I dunno, I guess you just kinda flail around at random hoping to get lucky.
- Teia
My favourite part of this game is the way people go into detail about their thoughts and actions and just generally explain themselves.
- Teia
Wait... was that sarcasm? I can't tell from any of your previous interactions. Just in case, I'll be more clear: if there's anyone I thought was scum from their first post, it's you!
My favourite part of this game is the way people go into detail about their thoughts and actions and just generally explain themselves.
- Teia
Wait... was that sarcasm? I can't tell from any of your previous interactions. Just in case, I'll be more clear: if there's anyone I thought was scum from their first post, it's you!
S-senpai noticed me. Senpai had always noticed me from the beginning. But had senpai always noticed me from the beginning yesterday? Also, senpai should be able to tell me what's scummy from my first post, because Teia-kouhai just isn't seeing it:
I hadn't realized I was scum, you see, and I'm sure you can elucidate the issue for me. Maybe next game, I won't vote at all during RVS. That would be super townie, right?
My favorite part of this game is the way you don't read between the lines or attempt to figure out why people are getting scumread without someone walking you through it. That's why naked votes happen, Teia - to generate reactions and to get people to think.
~Iso
Maybe he's reacting to me instead of the other way around.
- Teia
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"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Teia can you just stop this unorthodox/sarcastic playstyle. It makes it really hard to read you if you actually are town and it's somewhat exasperating to read.
we're unanimously in favor of Crafters being scum and Flamingo being a less certain read
Quite clear, yes.
Also, deciding someone is scum based on the sort of "inconsistency" Flamingo was doing is something scum do. Townies go "wait, someone's doing some weird role-based thing and I want to know what it is." Sometimes that means they vote for pressure, to make the weird behavior make sense, but they don't just go "oh, inconsistency means he's scum, game is solved!" Moreover, it isn't reasonable to think that you personally would be fine with "solving" the game that way, because you're a better player than that...unless of course you have some ulterior motive.
Teia can you just stop this unorthodox/sarcastic playstyle. It makes it really hard to read you if you actually are town and it's somewhat exasperating to read.
I have no clue what you're talking about, and frankly I don't care. Your continual sarcasm and nonsense contributes nothing.
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So can pretty much every non-Limited non-EDH player agree that Limited and EDH are the scum?
~Iso
I like how you're doing the exact same thing you were doing to begin with. "Solving" the game with zero actual information. Day 1 the game was solved with Crafters and Flamingo, and now it's two brand new people for equally poor reasons. Consistency is definitely not your issue. (Notice how consistency is more of a scum tell than anything!)
So can pretty much every non-Limited non-EDH player agree that Limited and EDH are the scum?
~Iso
I like how you're doing the exact same thing you were doing to begin with. "Solving" the game with zero actual information. Day 1 the game was solved with Crafters and Flamingo, and now it's two brand new people for equally poor reasons. Consistency is definitely not your issue. (Notice how consistency is more of a scum tell than anything!)
-Puddlejumper
Yup, it'll just be two random people again next time. I'm scum because why? Because I called out Teia on her BS posts?
Regardless, you're incorrect in your assumptions and should look elsewhere for actual scum (the mirror perhaps?).
Interesting discredit, especially given we were pointing out our suspicions of both limited and EDH before the end of day 1.
Not much of an inconsistency that, even before you factor in the intelligent thing to do in Mafia is to reassess your reads if you feel you have got something wrong.
What I don't like is how you keep picking two people to call scum and then say the game is solved. I'm not thrilled with your "reassessment" (you claim your suspicions in Flamingo were justified but you apparently don't have them anymore? What, did someone post more than them so you had an easier target to needle?) but that isn't my primary reason for suspicion.
Maybe if you'd just start taking me seriously and answering my questions we could work ourselves past all this unpleasant rigamarole. All I want to know is who your buddy is and why it's EDH. Or does EDH mean more to you than me?
- Teia
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"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Okay I've looked over all 243 posts on this game and ultimately it's pretty hard to get a solid grasp as to who the scum are when we have two MIA players (that are hopefully going to become more active now)
Right now I have townreads on Iso and Teia, and a scumread on Puddlejumper. I don't think that Iso would have hit Seppel as the N1 kill - he'd prefer to hunt power roles instead. Also, Iso and the rest of the Family have massive hydra interplay (where they chime in with their thoughts and everything). In my experience as a scum hydra that's insanely difficult to fake.
Teia because of.. her post count. Yeah it's a lazy way (and not-so-great) way to go about things but I have a feeling that it would be difficult for Teia to maintain this sarcastic playstyle and post a ton at the same time. I literally don't have anything else to read her with, as well.
EDH reads as new.. something. I'm not getting the newb!scum vibe that Teia and Iso are getting but I'm not getting newb!town vibes as well.
Limited still has the really awful first post and just seems to be laser focused on Iso. The only real misgiving I have about this is the "What did you do last Night" and the fact that we still don't have enough info to work off of. Hopefully this game gets more active.
And then I hope our replacements bring fresh life into the game. I hope fulcrum's town.
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@Limited: Can you talk about anyone else other than Iso, please? I need to hear your thoughts on other players as well, not engage in slapfights with Iso.
Okay I've looked over all 243 posts on this game and ultimately it's pretty hard to get a solid grasp as to who the scum are when we have two MIA players (that are hopefully going to become more active now)
Right now I have townreads on Iso and Teia, and a scumread on Puddlejumper. I don't think that Iso would have hit Seppel as the N1 kill - he'd prefer to hunt power roles instead. Also, Iso and the rest of the Family have massive hydra interplay (where they chime in with their thoughts and everything). In my experience as a scum hydra that's insanely difficult to fake.
Teia because of.. her post count. Yeah it's a lazy way (and not-so-great) way to go about things but I have a feeling that it would be difficult for Teia to maintain this sarcastic playstyle and post a ton at the same time. I literally don't have anything else to read her with, as well.
EDH reads as new.. something. I'm not getting the newb!scum vibe that Teia and Iso are getting but I'm not getting newb!town vibes as well.
Limited still has the really awful first post and just seems to be laser focused on Iso. The only real misgiving I have about this is the "What did you do last Night" and the fact that we still don't have enough info to work off of. Hopefully this game gets more active.
And then I hope our replacements bring fresh life into the game. I hope fulcrum's town.
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@Limited: Can you talk about anyone else other than Iso, please? I need to hear your thoughts on other players as well, not engage in slapfights with Iso.
@EDH: Can you ask someone a question?
-p
Of course, @Fam if you're willing to openly vote ahead a day to lynch me, why would anyone not think your scum working ahead to kill off townies? Which is what you appear to be doing...
I was going to but then I realized that there was nothing to respond to and we're basically waiting for a replacement at this point.
Teia, if we vote EDH with you on Day 3 (assuming we're still alive then), will you help us lynch Limited toDay? All we need is you, us, Flamingos, and the replacement to vote for them to lynch them, since I don't expect EDH to cooperate in the lynch on their buddy.
Just figured I'd ask, since it'll help get this game moving along and you seem to agree that Limited is scum, as well.
~Iso
***** yeah, dude, I ******* love chain lynches. They're awesome because they're all-upside for the town and don't benefit scum at all. Where do I sign up for this amazingly pro-town and totally-not-suspicious deal you're proposing?
Iso: Really? Which of us got led by the nose for 3 Days?
Hi Proph. When you were asking Limited about his first post, were you aware that he was the only person in his "hydra"?
I like Brigade and EDH. It's awkward. I'm assuming EDH is entirely new to mafia?
I don't really want to do much before talking to my hydra mates and figuring out how they want to run this. My time is limited, so I doubt I'll be the main voice anyway. I also expect Hawk knows most of you better than I do.
-fulcrum
I've given Necarg temporary permission to post here with his main account instead of the given gimmick. (He'll still have to sign his posts as Gaymers, though.)
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Sooo, I'm either on a Family lynch, or a Limited lynch today.
Gonna go with the Family for now.
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So, Limited and EDH could be the scum here. I think we lynch one, and if that person is scum, we get the other. Otherwise, we focus on the family.
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Of course, @Fam if you're willing to openly vote ahead a day to lynch me, why would anyone not think your scum working ahead to kill off townies? Which is what you appear to be doing...
Why did you choose this question to ask Family, when you already have a scumread on Teia/Brigade? Do you think Family and Brigade are scumbuddies?
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Hi Proph. When you were asking Limited about his first post, were you aware that he was the only person in his "hydra"?
Yes.
Necarg: Any reasoning as to what you just said? Why is Family or Limited scum? What on Page 5 changed your mind? You really need to show your work.
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That doesn't change the fact that Family played yesterday more like scum than anyone else did.
@Brigade: what happened last night?
As of post #201
(4 to Lynch)
Limited (1) - Family (198)
Not Voting: Gaymers, Brigade, Limited, Ronin, EDH, Flamingo
I dunno, how can you discern from interaction the intentions of a person leaning towards either getting town killed or discerning scum? It's such a hard thing to do because it's not like you can just look at how people are acting and interacting and stuff. It's not something that would ever pop up in any other form of Mafia, either. So, I dunno, I guess you just kinda flail around at random hoping to get lucky.
I like the world where you're scum but not psychic. Because after that hammer, that's looking pretty damn likely.
Now, be honest, is EDH your buddy? Because I think EDH might just be your buddy but I'd like to see what you think on the matter. Very official-like.
A comedian died in New York.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Well, for starters they like to push wagons based on non-tells (you vs Flamingo), and they also like to vote without taking any responsibility for their vote (you vs Crafters), and they also like to make out that they're suddenly way less competent than normal (you vs me).
-Puddlejumper
Vote Family
-Puddlejumper
I guess you're right. Vote MTGS Brigade.
Jr.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Wait... was that sarcasm? I can't tell from any of your previous interactions. Just in case, I'll be more clear: if there's anyone I thought was scum from their first post, it's you!
Jr
@Mod: A prod, please?
I should get to rereading this game in the weekend.
S-senpai noticed me. Senpai had always noticed me from the beginning. But had senpai always noticed me from the beginning yesterday? Also, senpai should be able to tell me what's scummy from my first post, because Teia-kouhai just isn't seeing it:
I hadn't realized I was scum, you see, and I'm sure you can elucidate the issue for me. Maybe next game, I won't vote at all during RVS. That would be super townie, right?
Maybe he's reacting to me instead of the other way around.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Quite clear, yes.
Also, deciding someone is scum based on the sort of "inconsistency" Flamingo was doing is something scum do. Townies go "wait, someone's doing some weird role-based thing and I want to know what it is." Sometimes that means they vote for pressure, to make the weird behavior make sense, but they don't just go "oh, inconsistency means he's scum, game is solved!" Moreover, it isn't reasonable to think that you personally would be fine with "solving" the game that way, because you're a better player than that...unless of course you have some ulterior motive.
You may as well just give it up.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
Yep, basically this. The constant sarcasm detracts from any actual ideas/stance you may have. That and you just come off like scum (imo).
Jr
You left that barn door open and there was nothing but a lazy donkey inside braying about having to do new things.
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
I have no clue what you're talking about, and frankly I don't care. Your continual sarcasm and nonsense contributes nothing.
Any update on finding that replacement Bur?
Jr
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Yeah, pretty much.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
As of post #225
(4 to Lynch)
Limited (1) - Family (198)
Family (1) - Limited (205)
Brigade (1) - EDH (206)
EDH (1) - Brigade (221)
Not Voting: Gaymers, Ronin, Flamingo
We are still working on it.
I like how you're doing the exact same thing you were doing to begin with. "Solving" the game with zero actual information. Day 1 the game was solved with Crafters and Flamingo, and now it's two brand new people for equally poor reasons. Consistency is definitely not your issue. (Notice how consistency is more of a scum tell than anything!)
-Puddlejumper
Yup, it'll just be two random people again next time. I'm scum because why? Because I called out Teia on her BS posts?
Regardless, you're incorrect in your assumptions and should look elsewhere for actual scum (the mirror perhaps?).
Jr
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What I don't like is how you keep picking two people to call scum and then say the game is solved. I'm not thrilled with your "reassessment" (you claim your suspicions in Flamingo were justified but you apparently don't have them anymore? What, did someone post more than them so you had an easier target to needle?) but that isn't my primary reason for suspicion.
-Puddlejumper
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
-Puddlejumper
We are currently still searching for an addition/replacement for Ronin.
Gaymers has been prodded.
Thank you, carry on.
What Happened Last Night?
PS, stop being scum.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
I'd recommend that Ronin be modkilled for inactivity since this game is already dying.
~p
Going to reread this game right now.
-p
Right now I have townreads on Iso and Teia, and a scumread on Puddlejumper. I don't think that Iso would have hit Seppel as the N1 kill - he'd prefer to hunt power roles instead. Also, Iso and the rest of the Family have massive hydra interplay (where they chime in with their thoughts and everything). In my experience as a scum hydra that's insanely difficult to fake.
Teia because of.. her post count. Yeah it's a lazy way (and not-so-great) way to go about things but I have a feeling that it would be difficult for Teia to maintain this sarcastic playstyle and post a ton at the same time. I literally don't have anything else to read her with, as well.
EDH reads as new.. something. I'm not getting the newb!scum vibe that Teia and Iso are getting but I'm not getting newb!town vibes as well.
Limited still has the really awful first post and just seems to be laser focused on Iso. The only real misgiving I have about this is the "What did you do last Night" and the fact that we still don't have enough info to work off of. Hopefully this game gets more active.
And then I hope our replacements bring fresh life into the game. I hope fulcrum's town.
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@Limited: Can you talk about anyone else other than Iso, please? I need to hear your thoughts on other players as well, not engage in slapfights with Iso.
@EDH: Can you ask someone a question?
-p
Of course, @Fam if you're willing to openly vote ahead a day to lynch me, why would anyone not think your scum working ahead to kill off townies? Which is what you appear to be doing...
***** yeah, dude, I ******* love chain lynches. They're awesome because they're all-upside for the town and don't benefit scum at all. Where do I sign up for this amazingly pro-town and totally-not-suspicious deal you're proposing?
This is the power of the Queen Troll. I'm less impressive than the other monster-girl queens but damn, son, this isn't even my final form.
- Teia
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
I'm lol'ing so hard at some posts here.
-Sepi~desu!
"This isn't the power of a Queen Succubus. It's just... mere violence."
As of post #248
(4 to Lynch)
Limited (1) - Family (198)
Family (1) - Limited (205)
Brigade (1) - EDH (206)
EDH (1) - Brigade (221)
Not Voting: Gaymers, Ronin, Flamingo
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Hi Proph. When you were asking Limited about his first post, were you aware that he was the only person in his "hydra"?
I like Brigade and EDH. It's awkward. I'm assuming EDH is entirely new to mafia?
I don't really want to do much before talking to my hydra mates and figuring out how they want to run this. My time is limited, so I doubt I'll be the main voice anyway. I also expect Hawk knows most of you better than I do.
-fulcrum
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Gonna go with the Family for now.
Vote Family
~Gaymers
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So, Limited and EDH could be the scum here. I think we lynch one, and if that person is scum, we get the other. Otherwise, we focus on the family.
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No need to.
Why did you choose this question to ask Family, when you already have a scumread on Teia/Brigade? Do you think Family and Brigade are scumbuddies?
Yes.
Necarg: Any reasoning as to what you just said? Why is Family or Limited scum? What on Page 5 changed your mind? You really need to show your work.
-p