1). I didn't do a ton of responding yesterday due to spending the most of the day jamming 400~ posts down my throat. In addition, there was not much discussion to be had considering Limited was a confirmed liar.
2). I have never played in a game where a mafia member could both roleblock AND kill. No game I have ever hosted has allowed that, and every game I have played as the mafia, my team has never had that flexibility.
3). Let's assume #2 is false, and the mafia can roleblock AND perform the night kill on a single mafia member: What motive would have to set-up TS/Spirit? I went into the day thinking that I was going to be hardcore casing Necarg. Even on my re-read, I was getting vibes of him being the last scum. Instead, I now have to completely 180 here due to the fact that if Necarg was scum, I would be dead. The easier play for me as scum by miles would have been to simply roleblock teia and go into the day with 4 people, since a single mis-lynch still ends the game for the mafia.
Necarg, I am only asking you hear me out. I will try to make the case for SPirt to be scum. If I do not satisfy you, feel free to hammer. Do keep in mind, neither one of us was confirmed, and knowing that TS is clearly lying, he would have known that there was no way I would be convinced his ability is real. Teia was basically a cop, and even a bodyguard could be back breaking for the scum to deal with.
1). I didn't do a ton of responding yesterday due to spending the most of the day jamming 400~ posts down my throat. In addition, there was not much discussion to be had considering Limited was a confirmed liar.
2). I have never played in a game where a mafia member could both roleblock AND kill. No game I have ever hosted has allowed that, and every game I have played as the mafia, my team has never had that flexibility.
3). Let's assume #2 is false, and the mafia can roleblock AND perform the night kill on a single mafia member: What motive would have to set-up TS/Spirit? I went into the day thinking that I was going to be hardcore casing Necarg. Even on my re-read, I was getting vibes of him being the last scum. Instead, I now have to completely 180 here due to the fact that if Necarg was scum, I would be dead. The easier play for me as scum by miles would have been to simply roleblock teia and go into the day with 4 people, since a single mis-lynch still ends the game for the mafia.
Necarg, I am only asking you hear me out. I will try to make the case for SPirt to be scum. If I do not satisfy you, feel free to hammer. Do keep in mind, neither one of us was confirmed, and knowing that TS is clearly lying, he would have known that there was no way I would be convinced his ability is real. Teia was basically a cop, and even a bodyguard could be back breaking for the scum to deal with.
Ronin we are at the end of the game. Your only chance is to convince necarg as I have necarg confirmed town for not hammering you. I will not be changing my vote. You are 100% confirmed scum (from my knowledge). It's a bit scummy that you try to say that mafia games can't have role block + night kill but then YOU DID role-block and night kill.
My mod confirmation doesn't really help here, and I still feel Ronin is scum. It just feels REALLY weird to me having a game with 1 Town PR that can't do that much, so EDH being scum doesn't make sense to me. So, here we are, with my choices in front of me.
Ronin:
Has been textbook lurking this entire game, and is pleading on the case of players having otherwise (my mod confirmation didn't really affirm or deny that idea, and the way the PM was worded led me to believe that a player has the ability to do 2 things at once.).
He also is claiming that there is only 1 Town PR, which I'm a bit skeptical to believe.
EDH:
Is pushing the idea that Players can do more than one action in a night, which I am led to believe from the PM.
Ronin, if you're town, I'm sorry, but I have a feeling you're the scum here.
Vote Ronin
GG to whoever wins.
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My mod confirmation doesn't really help here, and I still feel Ronin is scum. It just feels REALLY weird to me having a game with 1 Town PR that can't do that much, so EDH being scum doesn't make sense to me. So, here we are, with my choices in front of me.
Ronin:
Has been textbook lurking this entire game, and is pleading on the case of players having otherwise (my mod confirmation didn't really affirm or deny that idea, and the way the PM was worded led me to believe that a player has the ability to do 2 things at once.).
He also is claiming that there is only 1 Town PR, which I'm a bit skeptical to believe.
EDH:
Is pushing the idea that Players can do more than one action in a night, which I am led to believe from the PM.
Ronin, if you're town, I'm sorry, but I have a feeling you're the scum here.
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Yeah, it didn't help that Ronin was lurker city the entire game. I feel legit bad for PJ as he deserved the win, and probably would have if even a single other player was piloting the hydra.
I actually legit went into the night thinking I could only roleblock or kill. It wasn't until I reread the pm and asked Bur if I was reading it correct. So, at least know that part I was trying to be honest about. Looking back, I maybe should have still just chosen not to kill, and roleblock Teia. Necarg was looking like a decently hard sell, and I figured maybe I could pivot him. Meh
Teia played fine. It wasn't enough a direct counterclaim though where I could fault her for keeping silent. That said, I would have perhaps reread the interaction between the two of you, I feel like you guys fell into the arrogance trap, as even my blind reread (I had no idea PJ was scum until after I finished) I was starting to get suspicious. I don't necessarily agree that you should be lynched off of it, but that style is annoying enough people that are causing lynches to happen on a relatively common basis.
Also to be fair, if I was legit scum and PJ was legit watcher/tracker, had I been in your shoes, I would have also claimed vanilla. I don't think it was too far-fetched of a gambit to make, I just would have to see who is the more likely liar.
In Teia's shoes, I would have assumed that there was probably a protective role based on common setup designs and CCed immediately, which would then segue into me pushing for a massclaim and clearing at least one VT or condemning the last scum over Night.
Of course, this plan doesn't entirely work if the protective role is outed, nor if the last scum can kill and Roleblock in the same Night - but numbers-wise, it was the best solution, giving us more lynch power, which is the town's most important weapon!
The second TS claimed Bodyguard, we'd have been out for Ronin's blood following Limited's death.
Also, GJ, more often than not I allow the scum to perform their Night action AND NK in the dame Night.
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See, the thing about the whole "can kill and roleblock in the same night" thing was something I was able to do in Modfia 5, so I really had no business taking Ronin's spiel at face value like I did on that last day without even mentioning something. Lapse of judgement on my part, really. Plus, as I mentioned in hydra chat, the last clanfia had both a tracker and a watcher (and a ninja), so I figured there might be a similar thing this game.
And for those of you going "wow, Teia was a huge ******** this game," eh, partly true, but I found the whole "stop being unconventional and play seriously, it's hard to read you" response to be a good indication that scum would have a hard time casing me for a mislynch, while my posts did still contain the same content they would've otherwise, even if it was a bit abstract (e.g. comment about Ms. Frizzle -> Magic School Bus -> busing someone). Next game will probably be a blend of my older, less fun style and this nonsense.
I was actually expecting the "roleblock Teia and don't kill" gambit even with the ability to do both actions at once, too, because that seemed like the best way to create confusion.
Oh, finally, Iso, if you're wondering why I was such a huge ******** towards Family day 2, it was nothing personal. That's actually more or less the same way I cleared EDH in the last clanfia (push their buttons and use their unfiltered, annoyed response to gauge towniness). I just saw increased flailing and desperation, though, which I read as being scummy.
What a turn of events. I've been following the game pretty closely trying to figure it out for myself. Shame we got lynched D1, but I suppose someone has to otherwise we'd get nowhere.
I personally had Limited/Brigade as scum team during D2, however D3 flipped and I was pretty sure that Brigade wasn't scum so I was at a loss pretty much.
@Teia, you were the only one I didn't see real reasoning behind votes until post 400, I understand that was your play style but now that he game is over I was just curious if you could explain/elaborate on the first day (since you already explained the push on mafia on D2)? Was it just an effort to get better reads on the second day?
But Teia, we obviously weren't flailing. We were all very succinctly laying out our case on Limited and responding in a very calm and controlled manner.
I was definitely trying to antagonize you because I could tell you were doing the same to me, so there's that. However, I've been trying to resolve not to get so frustrated in Mafia as of late, as it discredits me, so you chose the wrong game to try to get under my skin in.
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PS: First day was Sepiriel's vote, really. I just kinda rolled with it. Edit: When the hydra links go up, you can see the reasoning for that vote yourself, though most of the hydra is just the incoherent ramblings of a deranged Teia.
Iso: I'd say I still succeeded in rustling your jimmies, though. You just responded in a manner that didn't help you. I've trolled enough in my time to know when people only think they're being calm and controlled.
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Hmm. A bit disappointed, I'll admit. I'll take some blame for not thinking to lay out a strategy for dealing with the probable massclaim in the scum chat before dying, which I actually thought about doing and didn't. I wasn't necessarily expecting a replacement, much less an actual active replacement, and figured that leaving Ronin's plan as just lurking would probably be good enough. So, as usual, replacing people ends up having a pro-town effect.
I felt like I had most people's behavior pretty well planned out from the beginning. The only person who really surprised me was Proph, who really stepped up during Day 2. From my perspective at least, I think he definitely deserves town MVP. He screwed up my plans at least twice making choices I didn't account for, and almost certainly swung the game.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Believe it or not I was actually in this game, for about 12 hours. Despite never making a single post I've been following this game closely since my replacement.. Anyway I'm glad we won, I'm glad Teia's play worked out in the end and I'm glad Necrag made the right decision (although he did almost give me a heart attack when he voted edh).
Hmm. A bit disappointed, I'll admit. I'll take some blame for not thinking to lay out a strategy for dealing with the probable massclaim in the scum chat before dying, which I actually thought about doing and didn't. I wasn't necessarily expecting a replacement, much less an actual active replacement, and figured that leaving Ronin's plan as just lurking would probably be good enough. So, as usual, replacing people ends up having a pro-town effect.
tbh I don't feel that lurking should be rewarded, or something to be proud of if it works. "Not playing" isn't good play, in my opinion.
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I find it funny i was basically record keeping in the thread and maybe just letting senpai bounce ideas around.
I agree that family's 'lynch PR vs a VT claim' was odd in my book, because i can see that as something your ego's would dictate you do but also something you guys would totally do as ******** scum having all you guys piled in one hydra really colored my opinion of the Family.
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Again, from a strictly theory standpoint, yes, you lynch the VT claim over the PR claim.
...but there's also the fact that I've never claimed VT and lied about it, and the wall of evidence we had against PJ.
I get that but your points specially your 'aha!' moment felt really underwhelming when compared to the argument you had against Teia, it also requires me to go 'well he has never lied about a VT claim' which lets face it could have been another meggido moment (honestly that spat and crap they pulled made me doubt every single post sig, since one did it i couldnt discount others doing it)
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Given the outrage we expressed at that, you really think we'd be the type to do that?
You want my honest answer? yes, I definitely dont see you as the kind who would start it, but once the precedent has been set i can totally see some of you using it... i almost expect you guys to do the cliche villain mustache twizzling when you post
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I'm just excited that my win rate is 50%. Man, Bravely Default mafia ruins my track record.
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The last three heroes gathered to decide it once and for all.
With no words wasted, one of the heroes dug a knife from their pocket and stroke another heroes chest with it. He had decided to trust his luck on this one.
Luckily, he had been correct in his choice and had managed to get rid of the last traitor.
Finally, peace had returned upon the remaining heroes' homeland.
Ronin has been lynched. They were:
Väinämöinen - Mafia Roleblocker
"Väinamoinen, old and faithful,
Carefully the child examined,
Gave this answer to his people:
"Since the child is but an outcast,
Born and cradled in a manger,
Since the berry is his father;
Let him lie upon the heather,
Let him sleep among the rushes,
Let him live upon the mountains;
Take the young child to the marshes,
Dash his head against the birch-tree."
You are Väinämöinen, the ancient minstrel and eternal wisdom-singer. Having wandered the Land of Kalevala for a long, long time you've seen the land become corrupted as time has gone by. Rather than having this land and it's inhabitants become more tainted, you have decided to put it out of it's misery.
Song of Silence: You may once per night sing a song to target player. That player will be enchanted by your song and fails to do anything that night. (You may use this ability the same night you submit the night kill.)
They will receive following PM:
"Morose and soothing the melody arose,
Lilting airily across the breeze,
Besieged upon by numerous wonders,
Eyes widened as the soul did seize.
Standing affront in glory and girth,
Notes befuddled, the senses churned,
Ecstasy climbing as aria unfolded,
Fortissimo thoughts, Truth left unlearned.
Illusions dancing across the heath,
Jumping, jerked, and jigged anew,
Eternity passed in an instant whilst,
I slumbered and awoke to the mountain’s dew.
You failed to use your ability tonight!"
Luote of the Death: Once per night, you may utter the magical word to relieve target player of their life. (You may submit the night kill. Your method of killing is "accident".)
Plans of Purging the Land: You may discuss your plans for purging this land here: [redacted]
EDH:
Mother of Lemminkäinen - Town Bodyguard
"Speaks these words of magic import
To the sleeping Lemminkainen:
'Wake, arise from out thy slumber,
From the worst of low conditions,
From thy state of dire misfortune!'"
No mother wants to die before their children. Having gone through that once and even bringing your child back to life, you want to rid this land of Kalevala from this current menace.
Watching over the young ones: Once per night, you may stand guard by target player's bed. If that player were to be killed, you will instead take their place.
Gaymers/Necarg:
Joukahainen - Town Vanilla
"Then the ancient Väinämöinen
Sang alas! poor Joukahainen
Deeper into mud and water,
Deeper in the slough of torment."
You are a shaman from the Lapland and possess skills when it comes to magical songs. Too bad you went and challenged Väinämöinen, who sang you into a swamp, causing you to promise to give your sister to him as a bride. While you still know quite a lot about magical songs, they aren't really useful when it comes to this new menace.
The game has ended in Town Victory! Congratulations!
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
Also, I allowed Mafia RB the kill and use their ability the same night in order to avoid the situation where mafia would've been really screwed if the Mafia Goon had been lynched D1.
Also, this ends my streak of modding games. 3 games with no breaks between them.
(Gotta go and design a set-up quickly and get back to modding before withdrawal symptoms kick in.)
Also, thanks for Gentleman Johnny and TappingStones for replacing in.
(Also, I have apparently a habit of starting half of my sentences with word "also"...)
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Reading the Family QT leaves me thoroughly disgusted.
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ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?!? BRIGADE WAS THE INFORMATION ROLE?!?!?
I might just recommend Teia for Mafia probation for intentionally playing against her win condition.
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Plus, as I mentioned in hydra chat, the last clanfia had both a tracker and a watcher (and a ninja), so I figured there might be a similar thing this game.
Yeah, Iso could probably stand to take a bit of a break? The poor sportsmanship is strong in this one.
@Iso: I hope you take this in the spirit it's given, but I did not enjoy playing with you. You repeatedly cross a line I don't usually see crossed in mafia where you start attacking people personally instead of in-character. I actually messaged the mod about it multiple times during the game. I kinda hope you take this game as a lesson of things not to do in the future. I know I'll definitely be avoiding games with you in them in the future.
Yeah, Iso could probably stand to take a bit of a break? The poor sportsmanship is strong in this one.
@Iso: I hope you take this in the spirit it's given, but I did not enjoy playing with you. You repeatedly cross a line I don't usually see crossed in mafia where you start attacking people personally instead of in-character. I actually messaged the mod about it multiple times during the game. I kinda hope you take this game as a lesson of things not to do in the future. I know I'll definitely be avoiding games with you in them in the future.
As a new player I was also put off by the families attitude. I don't know if it was ISO or others but I felt it wrong to personally attack everyone that disagrees with you.
With all due respect, I only attacked players' ability to read, process, and play the game optimally, which are all fully within in-game territory. Playing dumb can be a scumtell, and if you press someone's buttons enough, you can generally tell the difference between feigned stupidity and genuine ignorance. I just read every single one of my posts and the closest I came to a direct flame in any of my posts was implying that TappingStones might be dense, and that was more out of frustration than anything (not that that makes it okay). We did let it rip in the QT, but QT's have always been a gray area as far as that sort of thing is concerned, and is a healthy outlet of frustration so as to not bring it back into the game thread when utilized properly. I'm sorry some of you didn't find playing with me enjoyable, and I do sincerely mean that. I am planning on not playing for at least a few games after this one because I've been severely burnt out on Mafia for a long while and it's definitely coming across in my attitude when I play, which is totally unacceptable. The lurking and replacements in this game were awful, and the only town player aside from Proph that was actively posting was also actively attempting to troll us. You can perhaps understand why my clan's entire participating cast was disgusted and angry with the way the game was going, and why we might not be so polite as a result. In fact, I'd like to think we were very courteous, and even had a quite joking tone up until the counterclaim, which is when both of the town power roles decided, "Eh, let's just vote the guy that didn't claim a power role" and the only player that hadn't placed a vote at that point was also a player that hadn't posted in what felt like weeks.
Anyway, I'm not trying to make excuses for getting frustrated with the game, and I don't think I stepped over the line except in the one instance mentioned above, but again, I do apologize if I personally made this game unpleasant for anyone.
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@Talore: While I understand that you feel obligated to defend your mate, I disagree very strongly with your interjection in regards to Teia's setup analysis. The nature of her role would have made it obvious to an experienced designer in her shoes that there was not another information role. With regards to the last CCM setup, the Tracker and Watcher combo existed because of the existence of the mafia's Ninja. Given that Teia's Lie Detector role did not function like either of those (and, in fact, behaved very much like a Cop role), the obvious decision should have been to vote for Limited over Family. If you don't understand why, I can explain further - but the short version is that balance-wise, and with regards to the rest of the setup and the host's inexperience, there was no way that 2 information roles would have been a thing. Yes, even with the Roleblocker.
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Also, no, I don't plan on recommending her for probation - I thought that she was intentionally playing against her win condition because I put her on tilt and did not see how she could not genuinely believe we were town, especially considering her constant bashing of "following protocol" as far as MTGS's Mafia meta goes.
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I'd also like to apologize again, publicly, this time, to Bur for my reveal about the Flamingo incident; I misunderstood Bur's comment about my standing in the game with regards to my knowledge about their posting behavior.
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Bur, youve really picked up this whole.mafia thing quickly. I find myself pretty much always rooting for you... Even when youre hosting or when youve been onto me, lol (okay that last part is a lie)
Yeah, Iso could probably stand to take a bit of a break? The poor sportsmanship is strong in this one.
@Iso: I hope you take this in the spirit it's given, but I did not enjoy playing with you. You repeatedly cross a line I don't usually see crossed in mafia where you start attacking people personally instead of in-character. I actually messaged the mod about it multiple times during the game. I kinda hope you take this game as a lesson of things not to do in the future. I know I'll definitely be avoiding games with you in them in the future.
For what it's worth, I hope I wasn't similarly off-putting. I was trying a very different style than my normal one, with my natural trollishness out in full force both to make people have to stop and think about their evaluations (can't use meta when I'm playing differently than every other game I've been in, etc) and to get reactions out of people. It was never meant with malice, and if it came across that way, I apologize.
The nature of her role would have made it obvious to an experienced designer in her shoes that there was not another information role.
Hindsight is 20/20. I was wrong about Limited, just like you were repeatedly wrong in your solutions with how you solved the game on day 1, then re-solved it on day 2, then re-re-solved it on day 3.
But with the information I had available to me at the time and the actions of the players to date (including Limited's rather poor play leading me to believe it could be similar to Modfia 6, a game you were also in I might add, where I was playing rather scummy but was actually the doctor despite your vaunted day 1 "solving" the game with me labeled as scum), I stand by my actions with no regrets. I simply went after the player I believed was acting scummiest, and even if I didn't fully trust Limited's claim, I knew he was a dead man walking the next day if he was lying, so casing him was pointless.
And I sincerely hope that, in the future, you don't go "well, it'd normally be right to lynch the VT claim, but it's not right to lynch me because I'm Iso and I have the game 100% solved isn't it so obvious you guys" again in the future, because you can try to sell that all you like, but it was clear no one was buying it and that indicates the problem was with your approach, not the rest of the town's reaction.
I did solve MM6 on Day 1, though. My last T/S list in there says so before I ate a Nightkill.
Sure, I didn't in this game. Does that mean I don't do it regularly? Absolutely not.
Also, I didn't say "it's not right to lynch me because I'm Iso and I have the game 100% solved", I said, "Look at how obvscum Limited is, look at the case I just made against limited, look at our behavior vs. our claim, look at HIS behavior vs. HIS claim, etc. etc. etc." Which isn't even close to what you're misrepping it to be.
I mean, either way, we won - but I'd consider that a lucky break that EDH ended up being the other power role.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I did solve MM6 on Day 1, though. My last T/S list in there says so before I ate a Nightkill.
Sure, I didn't in this game. Does that mean I don't do it regularly? Absolutely not.
Also, I didn't say "it's not right to lynch me because I'm Iso and I have the game 100% solved", I said, "Look at how obvscum Limited is, look at the case I just made against limited, look at our behavior vs. our claim, look at HIS behavior vs. HIS claim, etc. etc. etc." Which isn't even close to what you're misrepping it to be.
I mean, either way, we won - but I'd consider that a lucky break that EDH ended up being the other power role.
Actually you dismissed me as scum based on some non-existent bond between EDHHYDRA and LIMITEDHYDRA. The bond can't be reasonably found in the discussion and seemed so pushed. After you had guessed wrong on both of your day 1 picks and then you were wrong about me on day 2 it made it really hard to trust you. The recklessness made you dangerous and hard to trust.
It's the prime error we all make when reading Iso. He is always overconfident in his reads, and when they turn out to be wrong, it makes you want to lynch him instead of just accepting he's not infallible.
1). I didn't do a ton of responding yesterday due to spending the most of the day jamming 400~ posts down my throat. In addition, there was not much discussion to be had considering Limited was a confirmed liar.
2). I have never played in a game where a mafia member could both roleblock AND kill. No game I have ever hosted has allowed that, and every game I have played as the mafia, my team has never had that flexibility.
3). Let's assume #2 is false, and the mafia can roleblock AND perform the night kill on a single mafia member: What motive would have to set-up TS/Spirit? I went into the day thinking that I was going to be hardcore casing Necarg. Even on my re-read, I was getting vibes of him being the last scum. Instead, I now have to completely 180 here due to the fact that if Necarg was scum, I would be dead. The easier play for me as scum by miles would have been to simply roleblock teia and go into the day with 4 people, since a single mis-lynch still ends the game for the mafia.
Necarg, I am only asking you hear me out. I will try to make the case for SPirt to be scum. If I do not satisfy you, feel free to hammer. Do keep in mind, neither one of us was confirmed, and knowing that TS is clearly lying, he would have known that there was no way I would be convinced his ability is real. Teia was basically a cop, and even a bodyguard could be back breaking for the scum to deal with.
Ronin we are at the end of the game. Your only chance is to convince necarg as I have necarg confirmed town for not hammering you. I will not be changing my vote. You are 100% confirmed scum (from my knowledge). It's a bit scummy that you try to say that mafia games can't have role block + night kill but then YOU DID role-block and night kill.
Ronin:
Has been textbook lurking this entire game, and is pleading on the case of players having otherwise (my mod confirmation didn't really affirm or deny that idea, and the way the PM was worded led me to believe that a player has the ability to do 2 things at once.).
He also is claiming that there is only 1 Town PR, which I'm a bit skeptical to believe.
EDH:
Is pushing the idea that Players can do more than one action in a night, which I am led to believe from the PM.
Ronin, if you're town, I'm sorry, but I have a feeling you're the scum here.
Vote Ronin
GG to whoever wins.
-Gaymers
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We did it! Well played gaymers!:sunny:
As of post #448
(2 to Lynch)
Ronin (2) - EDH (438), Gaymers (447)
Not Voting: Ronin
THAT'S A LYNCH!
ENDGAME...
Flavor scene incoming. When Bur get's back on.
The game has ended in a town victory!!!
Congratulations!
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yay! I'm somewhat competent! #50%WinRate
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I actually legit went into the night thinking I could only roleblock or kill. It wasn't until I reread the pm and asked Bur if I was reading it correct. So, at least know that part I was trying to be honest about. Looking back, I maybe should have still just chosen not to kill, and roleblock Teia. Necarg was looking like a decently hard sell, and I figured maybe I could pivot him. Meh
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also to be fair, if I was legit scum and PJ was legit watcher/tracker, had I been in your shoes, I would have also claimed vanilla. I don't think it was too far-fetched of a gambit to make, I just would have to see who is the more likely liar.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
In Teia's shoes, I would have assumed that there was probably a protective role based on common setup designs and CCed immediately, which would then segue into me pushing for a massclaim and clearing at least one VT or condemning the last scum over Night.
Of course, this plan doesn't entirely work if the protective role is outed, nor if the last scum can kill and Roleblock in the same Night - but numbers-wise, it was the best solution, giving us more lynch power, which is the town's most important weapon!
The second TS claimed Bodyguard, we'd have been out for Ronin's blood following Limited's death.
Also, GJ, more often than not I allow the scum to perform their Night action AND NK in the dame Night.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And for those of you going "wow, Teia was a huge ******** this game," eh, partly true, but I found the whole "stop being unconventional and play seriously, it's hard to read you" response to be a good indication that scum would have a hard time casing me for a mislynch, while my posts did still contain the same content they would've otherwise, even if it was a bit abstract (e.g. comment about Ms. Frizzle -> Magic School Bus -> busing someone). Next game will probably be a blend of my older, less fun style and this nonsense.
I was actually expecting the "roleblock Teia and don't kill" gambit even with the ability to do both actions at once, too, because that seemed like the best way to create confusion.
Oh, finally, Iso, if you're wondering why I was such a huge ******** towards Family day 2, it was nothing personal. That's actually more or less the same way I cleared EDH in the last clanfia (push their buttons and use their unfiltered, annoyed response to gauge towniness). I just saw increased flailing and desperation, though, which I read as being scummy.
I personally had Limited/Brigade as scum team during D2, however D3 flipped and I was pretty sure that Brigade wasn't scum so I was at a loss pretty much.
@Teia, you were the only one I didn't see real reasoning behind votes until post 400, I understand that was your play style but now that he game is over I was just curious if you could explain/elaborate on the first day (since you already explained the push on mafia on D2)? Was it just an effort to get better reads on the second day?
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I was definitely trying to antagonize you because I could tell you were doing the same to me, so there's that. However, I've been trying to resolve not to get so frustrated in Mafia as of late, as it discredits me, so you chose the wrong game to try to get under my skin in.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso: I'd say I still succeeded in rustling your jimmies, though. You just responded in a manner that didn't help you. I've trolled enough in my time to know when people only think they're being calm and controlled.
If you were so good at reading emotions, you'd have known I was town.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I felt like I had most people's behavior pretty well planned out from the beginning. The only person who really surprised me was Proph, who really stepped up during Day 2. From my perspective at least, I think he definitely deserves town MVP. He screwed up my plans at least twice making choices I didn't account for, and almost certainly swung the game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Regardless, we were pumping out analysis like madmen!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yay Town!
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I agree that family's 'lynch PR vs a VT claim' was odd in my book, because i can see that as something your ego's would dictate you do but also something you guys would totally do as ******** scum having all you guys piled in one hydra really colored my opinion of the Family.
...but there's also the fact that I've never claimed VT and lied about it, and the wall of evidence we had against PJ.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Thanks. It was my first ever game. Hope I can learn more!
The last three heroes gathered to decide it once and for all.
With no words wasted, one of the heroes dug a knife from their pocket and stroke another heroes chest with it. He had decided to trust his luck on this one.
Luckily, he had been correct in his choice and had managed to get rid of the last traitor.
Finally, peace had returned upon the remaining heroes' homeland.
Ronin has been lynched. They were:
"Väinamoinen, old and faithful,
Carefully the child examined,
Gave this answer to his people:
"Since the child is but an outcast,
Born and cradled in a manger,
Since the berry is his father;
Let him lie upon the heather,
Let him sleep among the rushes,
Let him live upon the mountains;
Take the young child to the marshes,
Dash his head against the birch-tree."
You are Väinämöinen, the ancient minstrel and eternal wisdom-singer. Having wandered the Land of Kalevala for a long, long time you've seen the land become corrupted as time has gone by. Rather than having this land and it's inhabitants become more tainted, you have decided to put it out of it's misery.
Song of Silence: You may once per night sing a song to target player. That player will be enchanted by your song and fails to do anything that night. (You may use this ability the same night you submit the night kill.)
They will receive following PM:
"Morose and soothing the melody arose,
Lilting airily across the breeze,
Besieged upon by numerous wonders,
Eyes widened as the soul did seize.
Standing affront in glory and girth,
Notes befuddled, the senses churned,
Ecstasy climbing as aria unfolded,
Fortissimo thoughts, Truth left unlearned.
Illusions dancing across the heath,
Jumping, jerked, and jigged anew,
Eternity passed in an instant whilst,
I slumbered and awoke to the mountain’s dew.
You failed to use your ability tonight!"
Luote of the Death: Once per night, you may utter the magical word to relieve target player of their life. (You may submit the night kill. Your method of killing is "accident".)
Plans of Purging the Land: You may discuss your plans for purging this land here: [redacted]
EDH:
"Speaks these words of magic import
To the sleeping Lemminkainen:
'Wake, arise from out thy slumber,
From the worst of low conditions,
From thy state of dire misfortune!'"
No mother wants to die before their children. Having gone through that once and even bringing your child back to life, you want to rid this land of Kalevala from this current menace.
Watching over the young ones: Once per night, you may stand guard by target player's bed. If that player were to be killed, you will instead take their place.
Gaymers/Necarg:
"Then the ancient Väinämöinen
Sang alas! poor Joukahainen
Deeper into mud and water,
Deeper in the slough of torment."
You are a shaman from the Lapland and possess skills when it comes to magical songs. Too bad you went and challenged Väinämöinen, who sang you into a swamp, causing you to promise to give your sister to him as a bride. While you still know quite a lot about magical songs, they aren't really useful when it comes to this new menace.
The game has ended in Town Victory! Congratulations!
Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/aWajQXbjrcH
Crafters: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/fcmZ6v7fgqY
Masterless: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Dx3WQHmRNXEa
Family: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/GvnE97aF7GPD
Clan Flamingo: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/G5KnPcxeQhV
Limited: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/GjvrriSX3MR
Brigade: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/4dDAS5E82Fw7
Ronin: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/fJyAsswdUxmsP
EDH: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/j93nWLfmG8t
Gaymers:http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/vwSdTsZnsk8
If you have questions etc, feel free to ask.
Also, don't forget to give your opinion about MVP/LVP's.
Also, this ends my streak of modding games. 3 games with no breaks between them.
(Gotta go and design a set-up quickly and get back to modding before withdrawal symptoms kick in.)
Also, thanks for Gentleman Johnny and TappingStones for replacing in.
(Also, I have apparently a habit of starting half of my sentences with word "also"...)
You can check the mafia QT for that.
WEW LAD
@Iso: I hope you take this in the spirit it's given, but I did not enjoy playing with you. You repeatedly cross a line I don't usually see crossed in mafia where you start attacking people personally instead of in-character. I actually messaged the mod about it multiple times during the game. I kinda hope you take this game as a lesson of things not to do in the future. I know I'll definitely be avoiding games with you in them in the future.
As a new player I was also put off by the families attitude. I don't know if it was ISO or others but I felt it wrong to personally attack everyone that disagrees with you.
Anyway, I'm not trying to make excuses for getting frustrated with the game, and I don't think I stepped over the line except in the one instance mentioned above, but again, I do apologize if I personally made this game unpleasant for anyone.
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@Talore: While I understand that you feel obligated to defend your mate, I disagree very strongly with your interjection in regards to Teia's setup analysis. The nature of her role would have made it obvious to an experienced designer in her shoes that there was not another information role. With regards to the last CCM setup, the Tracker and Watcher combo existed because of the existence of the mafia's Ninja. Given that Teia's Lie Detector role did not function like either of those (and, in fact, behaved very much like a Cop role), the obvious decision should have been to vote for Limited over Family. If you don't understand why, I can explain further - but the short version is that balance-wise, and with regards to the rest of the setup and the host's inexperience, there was no way that 2 information roles would have been a thing. Yes, even with the Roleblocker.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thank you as well Atog for hopping in there for us in a pinch. Played so well you were instantly night killed. Well done good sir!
You're Welcome...
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And thanks to Necarg. And Atogaholic. (And DCIII and others I may have forgotten.)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I also won the one that I put the least effort into.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
For what it's worth, I hope I wasn't similarly off-putting. I was trying a very different style than my normal one, with my natural trollishness out in full force both to make people have to stop and think about their evaluations (can't use meta when I'm playing differently than every other game I've been in, etc) and to get reactions out of people. It was never meant with malice, and if it came across that way, I apologize.
Hindsight is 20/20. I was wrong about Limited, just like you were repeatedly wrong in your solutions with how you solved the game on day 1, then re-solved it on day 2, then re-re-solved it on day 3.
But with the information I had available to me at the time and the actions of the players to date (including Limited's rather poor play leading me to believe it could be similar to Modfia 6, a game you were also in I might add, where I was playing rather scummy but was actually the doctor despite your vaunted day 1 "solving" the game with me labeled as scum), I stand by my actions with no regrets. I simply went after the player I believed was acting scummiest, and even if I didn't fully trust Limited's claim, I knew he was a dead man walking the next day if he was lying, so casing him was pointless.
And I sincerely hope that, in the future, you don't go "well, it'd normally be right to lynch the VT claim, but it's not right to lynch me because I'm Iso and I have the game 100% solved isn't it so obvious you guys" again in the future, because you can try to sell that all you like, but it was clear no one was buying it and that indicates the problem was with your approach, not the rest of the town's reaction.
Sure, I didn't in this game. Does that mean I don't do it regularly? Absolutely not.
Also, I didn't say "it's not right to lynch me because I'm Iso and I have the game 100% solved", I said, "Look at how obvscum Limited is, look at the case I just made against limited, look at our behavior vs. our claim, look at HIS behavior vs. HIS claim, etc. etc. etc." Which isn't even close to what you're misrepping it to be.
I mean, either way, we won - but I'd consider that a lucky break that EDH ended up being the other power role.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Actually you dismissed me as scum based on some non-existent bond between EDHHYDRA and LIMITEDHYDRA. The bond can't be reasonably found in the discussion and seemed so pushed. After you had guessed wrong on both of your day 1 picks and then you were wrong about me on day 2 it made it really hard to trust you. The recklessness made you dangerous and hard to trust.