It's nearly 9, I'm fairly worn out, and I haven't read anything since page 1. Let's rock.
This may be unedited, and total rubbish when posted, and I don't actually care.
9 - Vaimes, what is this list and why did you post it? edit: Was it a readslist? A fake readlist, gotcha.
10 - What made this vote serious? edit: that reason kinda sucked.
11 - Vaimes, what experience do you have playing on this forum?
16 - Something seems off about Chris.
19 - Vaimes might just be town because of this post.
22 - 1) Hi!
2) Antny is American for Anthony, and 223 is the number of times I have been lynched in mafia.
3) Indescribable
23 - unvote, vote Fulcrum
29 - I like my vote on Fulcrum.
31 - 4) I've been playing over a year now, in fact probably close to a year and a half. I would guess somewhere between 10-20 games. I'm not the sort of player who keeps track of stats and stuff.
36 - Spam, the perfect to response to excess posting
41 - You don't think Vaimes has been trying. He's literally the only person doing anything in the thread?
52 - @Necarg - Why is it safe to vote Vaimes here?
56 - @Sepriel - I take your vote as OMGUS. And I'm scumreading you after 1 post. Hope you enjoy the game.
57 - If I'm wrong on Vaimes and he's town I will come back to this post.
59 - @Fulcrum - How many posts prior this one would you classify as cases? Please just give the post numbers.
64 - I like this response from Hunt.
70 - Generic, do you think my life would be easier if I just sheeped you this game?
78 - Necarg/Sepriel/Fulcrum is my page 2 scumteam.
106 - Generic, I thought you knew me better than that.
112 - Although it's probably too early for wagon analyse, I find it unlikely all the scum have stuck with Vaimes. Which makes the fact I find the three of the four on the Vaimes wagon scum, probably means I'm wrong.
116 - I'm British, so I'll post during the British day. Also, giving my current work arrangments, it'll be mostly evenings from now on.
118 - I like this post for town.
119 - So Fulcrum let's get this clear. You pushed wagon on someone obvtown for reactions. And you think guy who found you scummy enough to vote (i.e. Generic) is scum. Meanwhile your leanscum list is 3/4 inactive and 1/4 Sir Chris - while Necarg is null despite following onto this bad wagon. I'm going to forget Sepriel for the time being, I think it's likely Fulcrum and Necarg together. The third is still unknown.
I'm kinda at the point of skimming now, so I'll read page 4 later. Hopefully my schedule will a little better for the short term, but if this game moves too fast, I simply won't be able to keep up. Hopefully once we past the excitement of the first few days it won't be a problem. But given I'm not the only player to have not posted anything of substance, that probably a sign that some people need to slow their posting.
I for one think half of my votes in my mafia career have been on some basis of OMGUS and the truth of the matter is their aim is more often than not true in finding scum.
I don't like standing on ceremony when it comes to discussing techniques and that whole conversation felt pretty useless.
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Making yourself look town /and/ hunting scum are both important, actually, because the first prevents you from being mislynched and hurting town if you /are/ town. 'I don't have to sell myself as town' uh yeah you kinda do, we all do beceause none of us are townfirmed, or obviously town enough according to the majority of the playerbase?
Also, fluffy as my questions may be, I think it's courteous to at least attempt to get to know people you're going to be engaging with for the next month and a half.
I think you're the only one who is misunderstanding fulcrum here? I don't get why people are voting her (well, it's really just bandwagony!Necarg and RVS!Rhand and then Generic. Also Antny but I haven't read his post yet)? I also think you're too caught up in trying to peg scum in as few posts as possible without actually...playing the game. You're just tunneling and saying fulcrum is wrong over and over and over again, and you've been doing this for like. The entire game.
Even if she were scum, I don't see fulcrum/Necarg as being aligned. She's linking herself to him too much, and I doubt she'd write the last part of 152 to a scumbuddy. She'd probably just leave him be or sell him out first.
1. Vaimes, stop quintuple posting. Sometimes you forget things and have to double post, but if you're doing it like this, YOURE DOING IT WRONG. Cut it out.
2. Also Generic, stop with the swearing. Seriously.
3. Generic, you're "gut response" is not an argument. It doesn't lay out a reason why fulcrum is scum.
4. A reminder: A player isn't obliged to put any amount of analysis into any post. (Seriously)
Anyhow. Kind of waiting for Sepiriel to actually post anything at this point. Nothing since my vote. And he's still made the scummiest stuff so far this game.
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78 - Necarg/Sepriel/Fulcrum is my page 2 scumteam.
So, I have two scumsuspects, one that you think is town and one that you think is scum. And I vote for the one that you think is mafia. And you think this makes me mafia?
So Fulcrum let's get this clear. You pushed wagon on someone obvtown for reactions. And you think guy who found you scummy enough to vote (i.e. Generic) is scum. Meanwhile your leanscum list is 3/4 inactive and 1/4 Sir Chris - while Necarg is null despite following onto this bad wagon. I'm going to forget Sepriel for the time being, I think it's likely Fulcrum and Necarg together. The third is still unknown.
Ok, one, I pushed on Vaimes because his initial burst of posts was scummy for him. When I changed my mind, I decided to get something out of the wagon and reactions instead of a single townread on Vaimes.
Two, I think Generic is scummy, not scum, because of the way he went after Vaimes and Necarg without really going after them. Like, when he claims to have been townreading Vaimes when he was actually egging on the wagon. It's weird, and I don't like it.
Three, I don't have a scum lean list. That's a null list, and the order of it is completely random. This has been explained multiple times and was a major point in the argument between Generic and me.
And vaimes. I have to sell myself as town? So far the only person to call me scum is the person omgusing me, so I think my way of playing the game works just fine thanks. I scum hunt and people see the conviction in my intent, I'm not here to do PR and have you all like me. If you think the most important thing is to be loved by all, you go right on ahead... But why play a game of Mafia to do that? There are numerous things you can do to make friends online.
As far as being town goes, I guess this is okay for you.
I don't think it's /the most important thing/ but I do think it's nice. Mafia is a game, yes? Games are meant to be fun, yes?
But hey, vaimes/loran, both Rolf you can feel free to tell me if my presence in this game is unwanted. I will leave it, not fussed. I have bigger things I'm dealing with on a daily basis at present to concern myself with an online game, so if I'm upsetting people's feelings and causing them distress that's an easy remedied thing.
It's not that extreme. Just feels more abrasive than necessary. If there's a method to the madness, I guess we'll see!
Otherwise, I suggest stop whining about whether I'm fun or not, swearing or not, or friendly or not, and decide whether I have a point about fulcrum or not.
Cos all you have done vaimes is declare your bestest friend town and never explain why. She has tried to avoid confrontation, has misrepped, has lied, has omgused. Now one or two of the people following me onto that wagon might be scum, they both are in my pool of suspicion, but you need to be telling me why I am wrong otherwise I dismiss kept as emotive reasoning to keep your buddy in the game with you...
Actually, I've given multiple reasons for townreading her.
She hasn't really done any of that stuff, or at least not the way you describe it. She isn't avoiding you, so much as I think she doesn't feel like interacting with people who seem to deliberately make things more difficult than they need to be. She hasn't misrepped you, you were kind of blah blah blah'ing at me a lot and taunting me and egging on my wagon without Really Committing To It. Like. The quotes are there and everything. Lying isn't really a scumtell, and I believe that she decided to use my wagon to catch bandwagoners. Her reason for scumreading you is pretty valid. I've been able to follow her interactions with you easily enough.
Like I said, you just seem desperate to be one of those 'look at me I RVS'd/pegged scum in my first couple posts' hooligans.
I skimmed Generic's ISO in Witchhunt where he was the Acolyte (confirmed town) and
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Antny. You haven't pointed to why I'm scum. That's pointless if you intend to mislynch me eventually.
And I asked Iso because I wanted to focus on him as much as eshnolat. Was the question rude? Like I care about manners in these things. As long as I'm not flaming I haven't breached any rules with such a question. And I should know what constitutes a warning, I have a collection of them in my inbox Wink
But your catch up post is what I wanted from you. I don't particularly care if you are scum reading me, OMGUS was always likely, but what I was concerned by is how much you hesitated before bringing the OMGUS. I attacked you page 1, broke RVS and placed all the focus on you. A natural response would be to be butthurt. You tried to sarcastically style it out.
Now though after I've dropped loaded questions on the game you are on the generic bandwagon. There's enough for at least three to four votes on me so it amuses me only the new girl pulled the trigger.
But it's academic. You won't get me lynched toDay. Night killed, that's a possibility. But no chance of the lynch.
I wasn't even that interested in your koolkoal vote actually until he responded. Now I'm very interested in why koolkoal reacted in such a jumpy fashion.
I think this general tone sort of matches what we have here? Bristle-y, mostly indifferent to pressure on him, throwing around OMGUS, really really full of himself w/r/t 'catching' scum in RVS (Antny was town), confidence in not getting lynched.
Generic doesn't strike me as the type of player to go through his past games and actually use things he's said as town in the past.
I'm kinda at the point of skimming now, so I'll read page 4 later. Hopefully my schedule will a little better for the short term, but if this game moves too fast, I simply won't be able to keep up. Hopefully once we past the excitement of the first few days it won't be a problem. But given I'm not the only player to have not posted anything of substance, that probably a sign that some people need to slow their posting.
I like the rest of the PbP post, however, I do not like the wording of the bolded section. It feels like you are telling us you know you will be alive for days so your absence won't be an issue. But you would only know you were going to still be around doing nothing for days if you were scum.
That said, Necarg is easily the scummiest today. I agree with that point.
I don't think Sir Chris is that off. This seems like the more recent Sir Chris I have come to know. His posting has changed a bit over the last few months. This seems consistent.
Fulcrum versus Generic feels very town vs town.
Generic is always this "in your face" style. Nothing seems scummy here.
Loran feels very townie. His natural posting style I like.
@Cythare
What about townhunting do you not like? Would you say townhunting is better than NO hunting at all? Is it simply a way for scum to hide in plain sight?
@Atog
Why is commenting on the most prolific poster's fighting an important town tell for you? Your post 168...
Why do you feel like you're not allowed to have fun, or even be friendly with, people when playing mafia? You don't seem nearly as intense in the two games I looked at.
hey guys sorry for not being around, i'm doing a review for my board exam and i thought i would have time to post more in between reviewing, seems that didnt work out so well.
Anyways i tried to keep up with things but i seriously need a reread, i missed all yesterday and today and there where 3 pages to catch up on, i will read back on Vaimes since there where a couple of things i noticed back in page 2-3 that i wanted to comment but had no time on.
Fulcrum also mentioned she(?) was waiting for me so well here i am, what ya need?
The rest of my week is much more open and my next review exam is next week's wednesday so ill try to have a catch up post sometime tomorrow if possible.
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But without anyone posting there isn't much I can do. If people are really pathetic towards scum hunting why bother signing up?
The sooner rhand gets back the better. I want his input.
That is where I am standing too. I want more from Rhand, some more from Atog, and some more from Antny. Antny's catch up post was good, but I want to see it continue. Atog needs to answer my question.
@Cythare and Atog,
There are unanswered questions in 205 I would like addressed.
@Hunt: You answered your own question there. While it technically is better than no hunting, it's something that I find is much more easy for scum to feign, since they just need to look for town tells and point them out. Especially early in the game, it allows them to look like a productive player without directly endangering their teammates.
Sepiriel, you are one of the main people this is stalling on. Fulcrum has made you her top scum pick. Others have also had issues with your posts I believe.
Yet your first post in about a day is to fluff post a response to my grammar correction.
You are now also of interest to me. Excuses for not having made input is one thing, I would be on my really harsh play to call you out on that, but this as a follow up is a red flag.
For me, it's like 5 in the morning and I'm super tired. However, it is getting harder and harder for me to find a scum. I have no idea currently on who would be scum. Unvote
I'm going to wait until the situation gets clearer.
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I like Chris's vote on Vaimes and strongly dislike Fulcrum's reaction to that vote.
For a while I thought scum!Fulcrum might not want to go against Vaimes claiming she can read him very well, but then she posts the post below:
I made that list because I was bored and wanted to post.
Im sorry but the rationale here was horrible and if you actually check the time stamps this statement makes no sense since you where in the middle of the active period so your whole "whelp i was bored geez" makes really no sense to me.
Scum want to appear towny, so I decided, as scum, to do something that 'townies have no reason for doing early on?' Are you sure?
Considering that later on you go on a plethora of if-if's with regards to your wagon i find it hilarious that you are even asking this, but yes i do believe that you decided to appear helpful or active (since you admit to have been bored, and the only role i can imagine being bored at the beginning of the game is scum), you went overboard and got caught, simple as that.
The player placement is irrelevant because it's fake.
except that you took the care to place all the active players at that time at the very top, you then later on go "oh look my list had player x dead last i should probably vote that player" as if you where still in RVS and by that point the RVS was long dead and rotting.
Given that the only person I had really interacted with was fulcrum, I felt like engaging in RVS with the people who weren't originally present. If anything, it sparks discussion, so I don't see the problem.
I dislike this part it reeks of opportunism "Hey guys i have only talked to fulcrum and it got all serious so let me just do a complete joke post that i wont tell you is a joke to get you to talk to me"
Calling my outrage fake: no. AtE and deflection: also no.
Except it was, you are simply being dismissive
It's good for fulcrum because I could believe she's town and misreading me, but only up to a certain point. It's hard to explain.
Not much of a reason...
You're allowed to make your own content and engage with people who haven't mentioned you. Someone has to start from scratch.
I like how you are trying to spin it as if not just randomly engaging people is such a horrible sin.
I hope I get to L-1 so I can claim and embarrass everyone scumreading me.
Dude that bait is so not thrilling, and im willing to call the bluff here (note: you dont need to be L-1 to claim, over here we usually do that at L-2, you have played here before you should know this).
When I said Mafia in my last post, I was referring to the game, not to the role. I will use mafia in terms of the game and scum in terms of the role in my previous post and afterward. Sorry for the lack of clarity within my previous post. However, one of my biggest mafia flaws (as in, the game) is to "coach" no matter my role. In my posts before my previous one, I have kept this trend. In addition, it is against my own thought process and logic to bus anyone so early, and I personally detest the act of busmanship before the 3rd day. If Vaimes is scum, (which I believe, but do not know, to be true) then I will be detestable to myself, and I do not think of myself a being so horrible.
Sometimes I consider changing my playstyle because it comes off as scummy. But then people would just think I'm faking, and I'd probably get bored not playing like myself, so scummy playstyle it is.
BY your own admission you have only ONE game in this site, so its not like you have such a GOLDEN STANDARD in regards to meta, also for someone who says that tries to give an "well i dont care" attitude you sure are providing a lot of "but what would people think of me?" excuses.
Sir Chris, if you think I'm softclaiming a town PR, why are you still voting me?
Softclaiming does NOTHING!, while certain roles would be better for you to claim that alone is not a sure thing, im not saying im going to lynch the doc or cop Day 1, but just simply acting smug because "well i have a townie pr so IDGAF" is not an assured thing.
Mine is a pretty town role. And because of [redacted], claiming isn't even really an issue! Unless scum decide to fear monger and get me lynched afterwards.
Dude if you are going to be coy about it you shouldnt have even brought it up, it just makes you look like a tool.
I feel like nobody wants to post as much as I do, which is both good (less posts to read!) and bad (pent up energy!).
Its not that we dont want to post as much as you do, is that we post as much as you do in a single post (Quality over Quantity).
fulcrum, last time you misread me this badly (and by badly, I mean literally straight out of the gate for No Reason), I tunneled you and you almost died even though we were both silly townies. Like, your read on me was so bad, Rubicon believed you were scum. Which is another reason I don't think you're scum this time -- getting rid of me when I'm more likely to end up sheeping you seems counter-intuitive! Also you probably don't want to deal with me tunneling you.
The bolded part is interesting, its like you are barning/coaching/fear mongering/ buttering up all in one sentence.
Im Hispanic, but w/r/t timezones im in asia so anywhere between 12-15 hours difference i think (side note: i find the whole 'w/r/t' thing annoying, like for some reason i cant auto translate it immediately).
It feels like I'm playing with a bunch of Bubble Buddies.
Im sorry but i cant quite understand this reference, ill ask you to explain because i instinctively took it as an insult and i would rather have this cleared up rather than get this whole game soured up on a possible misunderstanding.
First, Vaimes has been obvious town for more than a day now. Of the people who followed me onto him, Sepiriel is quite clearly the worst, for precisely the reason Ioran just stated, which makes Ioran a light townread.
Loran's reasoning was that i am 'reaching too hard' thats it, there was literally no other content and i saw no real reason to even bother with that post, your whole townread is weird and it gets worst when you look into generic's breakdown later on.
Generic is the second worst, for the way he's been trying to get Vaimes lynched /without even voting/.
So wait, when you try to get him lynched as a way to 'get information' its ok, but when Generic questions someone its suddenly "Trying to get them lynched"? I found the way Vaimes whiteknighted you when talking to Gen and the way you white knighted Vaimes when interacting with Gen odd i mean you both couldnt wait to jump to the other's defense.
Later on you even see this with regards to Huntz the moment he brings down a point against Vaimes.
Sepiriel, you are one of the main people this is stalling on. Fulcrum has made you her top scum pick. Others have also had issues with your posts I believe.
Yet your first post in about a day is to fluff post a response to my grammar correction.
You are now also of interest to me. Excuses for not having made input is one thing, I would be on my really harsh play to call you out on that, but this as a follow up is a red flag.
Honestly just chill i saw a post i could joke about so i made a jab, yes i get that i should have posted before but meh im here now and posted, now to see what other excuses people try to spin.
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necarg's opening post gives me shivers.
Sepiriel's Vaimes vote is kind of weak.
necarg's 57 is a threat. Scum mindset? I would like some meta on him. Anyone has experience there?
It took Vaimes a little while to vote Necarg after his bad post, and that post isn't in the reasoning of voting. Strange.
I like both Sepiriel and Huntzilla. Both are very analytical this game. It's a Huntzilla that is growing inti a good player. Strong town read there. I'm not used to Sepiriel being this analytical, which kind of worries me. Weaker town read.
Generic places the correct Fulcrum vote.
Vaimes softclaiming on page 2 is bad. Chris correctly points that out, but I don't like the rest of that post at all.
Necarg's 78 gives me goosebumps again. Self-awareness to a whole new level.
loran's entry post is terribad.
I like Cythare.
End of page 2, necarg > Fulcrum > loran > Chris for scum
EBWOP: Fulcrum you have asked me nothing, so i repeat my prior question: What Ya Need????
That basically. I like the way you doubled down on Vaimes, even though the overall thread sentiment has shifted against that. It might help you to realize that we're close friends who play with each other a lot and are reading each other town. We're going to defend each other (me probably more so than Vaimes, because I'm a bit better at reading him than vice versa).
I also wasn't trying to get Vaimes lynched? It was the beginning of the Day and he never got above four votes. That's hardly a death zone. I'd argue Generic was with his style of pressure (and it was pressure, not questions).
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Hey Antny. I saw that attempt to buddy Generic. You should talk about that.
As a side note, I'm always a little worried about Rhand's catchup posts because he faked stopping a little early to avoid something awkward in the first Winterfell game. Doubt he'd do it here, but still, I'm keeping an eye on that.
page 3: loran steps on toes. Leaning town for that.
Fulcrum's readlist and Sepiriel vote lacks body. Especially about Sepiriel. The way she town!clears Vaimes now makes me distrust Vaimes too, but that's only if Fulcrum does flip scum.
I agree completely with Generic's pushes on Fulcrum.
#152: If Fulcrum or Necarg ever flip scum I'll instantly vote the other.
#154: Are you honest in those reads Chris? they completely contrast mine.
Atog's catchup post is worrysome. Cythare???
Not a fan of Sepiriel's "what ya need" post, since it implies to me that she is looking for specific stuff rather than providing her own input. Her post above it is...fine, but still not a fan of her play this far.
Did you have that opinion before I posted it? Or was your mind blank on the issue beforehand?
Yes, there are a couple people (sir chris and Ioran) who also made posts without touching on the subject dominating the thread, but unlike them you've been more active and have been directly and indirectly interacting with the people involved.
What I 'wanted' you to do was look at the issue and at least attempt to figure out which one is scum, or both, or neither. That would be a scumhunting mindset, and that isn't what I see.
Heh, this is an outright lie. Cythare was not more active than Chris and loran. This reasoning is made up.
Did I say she was still hiding? She had no choice but to engage me, she changed to the OMGUS instead.
And fulcrum, you just claimed to know what OMGUS is then save a description that doesn't correlate to anything I have done. Once again, you have now three times claimed I omgused you.
And also, why do I need to go in hard on necarg, a clearly newbie player, when I was already and still have been attacking and pressuring you and cythare. Do I need to be attacking everybody in this game? You certainly haven't. You have only misrepped me repeatedly, never once referring back to your top scum read since. You accused me of attacking you over only voting for one person, which was a lie, yet you seem incapable of understanding the single vote concept when it comes to me...
Why are you using OMGUS as accusation when you previously wanted to 1vs1 her?
Slight town read to Rhand for having the guts to include me on a suspect list, I don't think scum Rhand wants any part of a town Chris after our last encounter and he could have avoided my gaze by simply picking another name to suspect there.
Rhand's vote on Atog, however, seems a bit silly. Atog could have easily just felt a if Cythare had been more active. I haven't really kicked it into gear yet so thinking I haven't posted more than someone isn't a big crime.
Not that I care to comment on whatever blob of an argument is currently going on. Doesn't seem too interesting tbqh.
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Nah people suspect me all the time and are totally town. Town can feel free to suspect me genuinely all day, it's part of the fun. I just have a good nose for when scum do it. In fact I don't know how you got 'threatening anyone who would suspect him' when the only person to suspect me literally got town credit from me for doing so. What a strange thing to say Generic. How did you arrive at that statement given my only interaction to people suspecting me being a positive?
Also I read your posts but after so long I kind of glaze over a bit. Then again when that happened last time you were scum so maybe that's a scum Generic trend 'who can say'
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I do so enjoy telling people to look at me when I am town, it is a bit unsporting of me.
Generic I know I am still kind of new, but I would hope you remember enough of our times together to get a sense that I don't make comments in order to avoid contact. I enjoy contact, it's the thrilling part of mafia. Like when we were scum together I took a perverse joy in banging heads with you and Cyan and being affored town cred for it. Until that dastardly fiend poisoned me for being 'too townie' what a tragedy.
Also I expressed no suspicion of you at all. My suspicions are not oft accompanied by a 'maybe' and a shrug. When I suspect you, you shall know Generic. It will involve a vote, several paragraphs, and many cries for aid for you are a monster of a player to take down. But at this point I have no suspicion of you whatsoever, you mistake my musings for such.
I would be quite the pathetic scum player if I didn't enjoy playing as scum, Generic. I am wounded.
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@fulcrum: you pushed vaimes really hard initially and got him to L-3 i would say thats a pretty strong indicator of intent, or at the very least of perceived intent.
@cythare: i dislike your dislike, fulcrum posted how he was waiting for content from me but he had never directly asked for anything as such it was not for me to bring up content because there was no content to bring.
@rhand: that feels hurtful i do try to analyse things i mean i tend to bury all the analysis in walls of text and lack of punctuation and my anti-charm that makes people think im toxic and uncooperative but the analysis is still there
Ok thats it... my wrist is cramping...
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I have had a busy start to my week that I didn't anticipate, thus me not being fully in gear yet. Totally a neutral thing with me, my effort is never dependent on my alignment and hasn't been since the summer of 2006. I was taught how to be a mafia man that summer.
Anyway I am pretty rubbish at finding scum early on usually, with some exceptions. I am very, very good at knowing when I am being played directly though and once I have my teeth in scum I don't let go. It's why I like to make games about me as much as possible, because early on I filter through myself well. I like to think the best thing I do is find town members with regularity. It helps if I know someone, I am good at meta play, but it isn't required. I am often far too forgiving of inexperienced players as scum though, giving them the benefit of the doubt is a bit of a known weakness of mine. It's been a bit overwhelming to not have a lot of time and see Vaimes just spilling everything he has into the topic I'll admit.
I'll look at fulcrum/vaimes soon and see if I can suss something out.
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@cythare: i dislike your dislike, fulcrum posted how he was waiting for content from me but he had never directly asked for anything as such it was not for me to bring up content because there was no content to bring.
fulcrum posted how she was waiting for you to do something. I couldn't find her ask anything of you before today, just discussion about you. I find that asking for something to do tends to either come from a newer player or from scum, and you're not that new.
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Vaimes, what is this list and why did you post it? edit: Was it a readslist?A fake readlist, gotcha.10 -
What made this vote serious?edit: that reason kinda sucked.11 - Vaimes, what experience do you have playing on this forum?
16 - Something seems off about Chris.
19 - Vaimes might just be town because of this post.
22 - 1) Hi!
2) Antny is American for Anthony, and 223 is the number of times I have been lynched in mafia.
3) Indescribable
23 - unvote, vote Fulcrum
29 - I like my vote on Fulcrum.
31 - 4) I've been playing over a year now, in fact probably close to a year and a half. I would guess somewhere between 10-20 games. I'm not the sort of player who keeps track of stats and stuff.
36 - Spam, the perfect to response to excess posting
41 - You don't think Vaimes has been trying. He's literally the only person doing anything in the thread?
52 - @Necarg - Why is it safe to vote Vaimes here?
56 - @Sepriel - I take your vote as OMGUS. And I'm scumreading you after 1 post. Hope you enjoy the game.
57 - If I'm wrong on Vaimes and he's town I will come back to this post.
59 - @Fulcrum - How many posts prior this one would you classify as cases? Please just give the post numbers.
64 - I like this response from Hunt.
70 - Generic, do you think my life would be easier if I just sheeped you this game?
78 - Necarg/Sepriel/Fulcrum is my page 2 scumteam.
106 - Generic, I thought you knew me better than that.
112 - Although it's probably too early for wagon analyse, I find it unlikely all the scum have stuck with Vaimes. Which makes the fact I find the three of the four on the Vaimes wagon scum, probably means I'm wrong.
116 - I'm British, so I'll post during the British day. Also, giving my current work arrangments, it'll be mostly evenings from now on.
118 - I like this post for town.
119 - So Fulcrum let's get this clear. You pushed wagon on someone obvtown for reactions. And you think guy who found you scummy enough to vote (i.e. Generic) is scum. Meanwhile your leanscum list is 3/4 inactive and 1/4 Sir Chris - while Necarg is null despite following onto this bad wagon. I'm going to forget Sepriel for the time being, I think it's likely Fulcrum and Necarg together. The third is still unknown.
I'm kinda at the point of skimming now, so I'll read page 4 later. Hopefully my schedule will a little better for the short term, but if this game moves too fast, I simply won't be able to keep up. Hopefully once we past the excitement of the first few days it won't be a problem. But given I'm not the only player to have not posted anything of substance, that probably a sign that some people need to slow their posting.
I don't like standing on ceremony when it comes to discussing techniques and that whole conversation felt pretty useless.
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ITT: Generic doesn't know how to have fun in a game.
Making yourself look town /and/ hunting scum are both important, actually, because the first prevents you from being mislynched and hurting town if you /are/ town. 'I don't have to sell myself as town' uh yeah you kinda do, we all do beceause none of us are townfirmed, or obviously town enough according to the majority of the playerbase?
Also, fluffy as my questions may be, I think it's courteous to at least attempt to get to know people you're going to be engaging with for the next month and a half.
I think you're the only one who is misunderstanding fulcrum here? I don't get why people are voting her (well, it's really just bandwagony!Necarg and RVS!Rhand and then Generic. Also Antny but I haven't read his post yet)? I also think you're too caught up in trying to peg scum in as few posts as possible without actually...playing the game. You're just tunneling and saying fulcrum is wrong over and over and over again, and you've been doing this for like. The entire game.
1. Vaimes, stop quintuple posting. Sometimes you forget things and have to double post, but if you're doing it like this, YOURE DOING IT WRONG. Cut it out.
2. Also Generic, stop with the swearing. Seriously.
3. Generic, you're "gut response" is not an argument. It doesn't lay out a reason why fulcrum is scum.
4. A reminder: A player isn't obliged to put any amount of analysis into any post. (Seriously)
Anyhow. Kind of waiting for Sepiriel to actually post anything at this point. Nothing since my vote. And he's still made the scummiest stuff so far this game.
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I'll try harder to make sure my thoughts are completely gathered before posting, but sometimes I have dumb afterthoughts.
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None. They were pokes.
So, I have two scumsuspects, one that you think is town and one that you think is scum. And I vote for the one that you think is mafia. And you think this makes me mafia?
Also, it's never too easy do wagon analysis.
Ok, one, I pushed on Vaimes because his initial burst of posts was scummy for him. When I changed my mind, I decided to get something out of the wagon and reactions instead of a single townread on Vaimes.
Two, I think Generic is scummy, not scum, because of the way he went after Vaimes and Necarg without really going after them. Like, when he claims to have been townreading Vaimes when he was actually egging on the wagon. It's weird, and I don't like it.
Three, I don't have a scum lean list. That's a null list, and the order of it is completely random. This has been explained multiple times and was a major point in the argument between Generic and me.
As far as being town goes, I guess this is okay for you.
I don't think it's /the most important thing/ but I do think it's nice. Mafia is a game, yes? Games are meant to be fun, yes?
It's not that extreme. Just feels more abrasive than necessary. If there's a method to the madness, I guess we'll see!
Actually, I've given multiple reasons for townreading her.
She hasn't really done any of that stuff, or at least not the way you describe it. She isn't avoiding you, so much as I think she doesn't feel like interacting with people who seem to deliberately make things more difficult than they need to be. She hasn't misrepped you, you were kind of blah blah blah'ing at me a lot and taunting me and egging on my wagon without Really Committing To It. Like. The quotes are there and everything. Lying isn't really a scumtell, and I believe that she decided to use my wagon to catch bandwagoners. Her reason for scumreading you is pretty valid. I've been able to follow her interactions with you easily enough.
Like I said, you just seem desperate to be one of those 'look at me I RVS'd/pegged scum in my first couple posts' hooligans.
You didn't even give a reason for voting her. Just that she interested you.
And suddenly every single one of her posts afterwards bleed scumtells like a gushing waterfall? Really? Are you that sure?
I'll need to check.
I read the Basic 88 game, and you seemed more human there.
(Triple post, haters gonna hate.)
fake edit: Yeah, back in that game you seemed more calm, cool, collected, relaxed, casual, enjoyable, open to discussion, approachable, etc.
Hm.
I skimmed Generic's ISO in Witchhunt where he was the Acolyte (confirmed town) and
I think this general tone sort of matches what we have here? Bristle-y, mostly indifferent to pressure on him, throwing around OMGUS, really really full of himself w/r/t 'catching' scum in RVS (Antny was town), confidence in not getting lynched.
Generic doesn't strike me as the type of player to go through his past games and actually use things he's said as town in the past.
Two games, actually. One of them I played myself, and the other I've read word for word multiple times.
Just trying to strengthen my read of you.
Was there a point to this post or did you just want to say hi?
I like the rest of the PbP post, however, I do not like the wording of the bolded section. It feels like you are telling us you know you will be alive for days so your absence won't be an issue. But you would only know you were going to still be around doing nothing for days if you were scum.
That said, Necarg is easily the scummiest today. I agree with that point.
I don't think Sir Chris is that off. This seems like the more recent Sir Chris I have come to know. His posting has changed a bit over the last few months. This seems consistent.
Fulcrum versus Generic feels very town vs town.
Generic is always this "in your face" style. Nothing seems scummy here.
Loran feels very townie. His natural posting style I like.
@Cythare
What about townhunting do you not like? Would you say townhunting is better than NO hunting at all? Is it simply a way for scum to hide in plain sight?
@Atog
Why is commenting on the most prolific poster's fighting an important town tell for you? Your post 168...
Why do you feel like you're not allowed to have fun, or even be friendly with, people when playing mafia? You don't seem nearly as intense in the two games I looked at.
Pretend fulcrum is town. What do you see?
If you were a Sim, what would your 5 traits be?
2. Good, but I meant how does town!fulcrum impact your reads on other players?
3. There are a ton of Sims traits and I can't be assed to look them up; regular adjectives are fine by me.
Anyways i tried to keep up with things but i seriously need a reread, i missed all yesterday and today and there where 3 pages to catch up on, i will read back on Vaimes since there where a couple of things i noticed back in page 2-3 that i wanted to comment but had no time on.
Fulcrum also mentioned she(?) was waiting for me so well here i am, what ya need?
The rest of my week is much more open and my next review exam is next week's wednesday so ill try to have a catch up post sometime tomorrow if possible.
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fulcrum (4): Rhand, Generic, Necarg, Antny223
Necarg (2): Vaimes, Cythare
Sepiriel (2): loran16, fulcrum
Cythare (1): Atogaholic
Vaimes (1): Sepiriel
Abstain (2): Huntzilla, Sir Chris
Rhand (24th) and Antny223 (14th) are on V/LA.
Necarg, why are you voting for fulcrum?
I know you agree with Generic's points, but I want to hear /your/ thoughts independent of anyone else.
Nah your phone just wanted to show people your inner thoughts
That is where I am standing too. I want more from Rhand, some more from Atog, and some more from Antny. Antny's catch up post was good, but I want to see it continue. Atog needs to answer my question.
@Cythare and Atog,
There are unanswered questions in 205 I would like addressed.
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I like Chris's vote on Vaimes and strongly dislike Fulcrum's reaction to that vote.
For a while I thought scum!Fulcrum might not want to go against Vaimes claiming she can read him very well, but then she posts the post below:
She's downplaying her scumread. That probably means they're not scum together.
Fulcrum is my #1 scumread after page 1. I like Chris and to a lesser extent Vaimes.
Im sorry but the rationale here was horrible and if you actually check the time stamps this statement makes no sense since you where in the middle of the active period so your whole "whelp i was bored geez" makes really no sense to me.
Considering that later on you go on a plethora of if-if's with regards to your wagon i find it hilarious that you are even asking this, but yes i do believe that you decided to appear helpful or active (since you admit to have been bored, and the only role i can imagine being bored at the beginning of the game is scum), you went overboard and got caught, simple as that.
except that you took the care to place all the active players at that time at the very top, you then later on go "oh look my list had player x dead last i should probably vote that player" as if you where still in RVS and by that point the RVS was long dead and rotting.
I dislike this part it reeks of opportunism "Hey guys i have only talked to fulcrum and it got all serious so let me just do a complete joke post that i wont tell you is a joke to get you to talk to me"
Except it was, you are simply being dismissive
Not much of a reason...
I like how you are trying to spin it as if not just randomly engaging people is such a horrible sin.
Dude that bait is so not thrilling, and im willing to call the bluff here (note: you dont need to be L-1 to claim, over here we usually do that at L-2, you have played here before you should know this).
This is all a bunch of wifom tho...
BY your own admission you have only ONE game in this site, so its not like you have such a GOLDEN STANDARD in regards to meta, also for someone who says that tries to give an "well i dont care" attitude you sure are providing a lot of "but what would people think of me?" excuses.
Softclaiming does NOTHING!, while certain roles would be better for you to claim that alone is not a sure thing, im not saying im going to lynch the doc or cop Day 1, but just simply acting smug because "well i have a townie pr so IDGAF" is not an assured thing.
Dude if you are going to be coy about it you shouldnt have even brought it up, it just makes you look like a tool.
Its not that we dont want to post as much as you do, is that we post as much as you do in a single post (Quality over Quantity).
The bolded part is interesting, its like you are barning/coaching/fear mongering/ buttering up all in one sentence.
Im Hispanic, but w/r/t timezones im in asia so anywhere between 12-15 hours difference i think (side note: i find the whole 'w/r/t' thing annoying, like for some reason i cant auto translate it immediately).
Im sorry but i cant quite understand this reference, ill ask you to explain because i instinctively took it as an insult and i would rather have this cleared up rather than get this whole game soured up on a possible misunderstanding.
Loran's reasoning was that i am 'reaching too hard' thats it, there was literally no other content and i saw no real reason to even bother with that post, your whole townread is weird and it gets worst when you look into generic's breakdown later on.
So wait, when you try to get him lynched as a way to 'get information' its ok, but when Generic questions someone its suddenly "Trying to get them lynched"? I found the way Vaimes whiteknighted you when talking to Gen and the way you white knighted Vaimes when interacting with Gen odd i mean you both couldnt wait to jump to the other's defense.
Later on you even see this with regards to Huntz the moment he brings down a point against Vaimes.
Honestly just chill i saw a post i could joke about so i made a jab, yes i get that i should have posted before but meh im here now and posted, now to see what other excuses people try to spin.
necarg's opening post gives me shivers.
Sepiriel's Vaimes vote is kind of weak.
necarg's 57 is a threat. Scum mindset? I would like some meta on him. Anyone has experience there?
It took Vaimes a little while to vote Necarg after his bad post, and that post isn't in the reasoning of voting. Strange.
I like both Sepiriel and Huntzilla. Both are very analytical this game. It's a Huntzilla that is growing inti a good player. Strong town read there. I'm not used to Sepiriel being this analytical, which kind of worries me. Weaker town read.
Generic places the correct Fulcrum vote.
Vaimes softclaiming on page 2 is bad. Chris correctly points that out, but I don't like the rest of that post at all.
Necarg's 78 gives me goosebumps again. Self-awareness to a whole new level.
loran's entry post is terribad.
I like Cythare.
End of page 2, necarg > Fulcrum > loran > Chris for scum
That basically. I like the way you doubled down on Vaimes, even though the overall thread sentiment has shifted against that. It might help you to realize that we're close friends who play with each other a lot and are reading each other town. We're going to defend each other (me probably more so than Vaimes, because I'm a bit better at reading him than vice versa).
I also wasn't trying to get Vaimes lynched? It was the beginning of the Day and he never got above four votes. That's hardly a death zone. I'd argue Generic was with his style of pressure (and it was pressure, not questions).
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Hey Antny. I saw that attempt to buddy Generic. You should talk about that.
As a side note, I'm always a little worried about Rhand's catchup posts because he faked stopping a little early to avoid something awkward in the first Winterfell game. Doubt he'd do it here, but still, I'm keeping an eye on that.
Fulcrum's readlist and Sepiriel vote lacks body. Especially about Sepiriel. The way she town!clears Vaimes now makes me distrust Vaimes too, but that's only if Fulcrum does flip scum.
I agree completely with Generic's pushes on Fulcrum.
I was amazed people fell for that
#154: Are you honest in those reads Chris? they completely contrast mine.
Atog's catchup post is worrysome. Cythare???
(I have to continue from 168)
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Heh, this is an outright lie. Cythare was not more active than Chris and loran. This reasoning is made up.
vote Atog
Why are you using OMGUS as accusation when you previously wanted to 1vs1 her?
Scumreads in order: Atog > Necarg > Fulcrum > Chris.
What do you think of Atog?
Rhand's vote on Atog, however, seems a bit silly. Atog could have easily just felt a if Cythare had been more active. I haven't really kicked it into gear yet so thinking I haven't posted more than someone isn't a big crime.
Not that I care to comment on whatever blob of an argument is currently going on. Doesn't seem too interesting tbqh.
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Also I read your posts but after so long I kind of glaze over a bit. Then again when that happened last time you were scum so maybe that's a scum Generic trend 'who can say'
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Generic I know I am still kind of new, but I would hope you remember enough of our times together to get a sense that I don't make comments in order to avoid contact. I enjoy contact, it's the thrilling part of mafia. Like when we were scum together I took a perverse joy in banging heads with you and Cyan and being affored town cred for it. Until that dastardly fiend poisoned me for being 'too townie' what a tragedy.
Also I expressed no suspicion of you at all. My suspicions are not oft accompanied by a 'maybe' and a shrug. When I suspect you, you shall know Generic. It will involve a vote, several paragraphs, and many cries for aid for you are a monster of a player to take down. But at this point I have no suspicion of you whatsoever, you mistake my musings for such.
I would be quite the pathetic scum player if I didn't enjoy playing as scum, Generic. I am wounded.
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@fulcrum: you pushed vaimes really hard initially and got him to L-3 i would say thats a pretty strong indicator of intent, or at the very least of perceived intent.
@cythare: i dislike your dislike, fulcrum posted how he was waiting for content from me but he had never directly asked for anything as such it was not for me to bring up content because there was no content to bring.
@rhand: that feels hurtful i do try to analyse things i mean i tend to bury all the analysis in walls of text and lack of punctuation and my anti-charm that makes people think im toxic and uncooperative but the analysis is still there
Ok thats it... my wrist is cramping...
Anyway I am pretty rubbish at finding scum early on usually, with some exceptions. I am very, very good at knowing when I am being played directly though and once I have my teeth in scum I don't let go. It's why I like to make games about me as much as possible, because early on I filter through myself well. I like to think the best thing I do is find town members with regularity. It helps if I know someone, I am good at meta play, but it isn't required. I am often far too forgiving of inexperienced players as scum though, giving them the benefit of the doubt is a bit of a known weakness of mine. It's been a bit overwhelming to not have a lot of time and see Vaimes just spilling everything he has into the topic I'll admit.
I'll look at fulcrum/vaimes soon and see if I can suss something out.
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