I'm untargetable. If hearts are trump, I can copy my untargetability at night to another target player for a single night. I have unlimited(!) shots of this.
So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
I'm untargetable. If hearts are trump, I can copy my untargetability at night to another target player for a single night. I have unlimited(!) shots of this.
So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
Stop making terrible plans base don bad reading, Seppel. Trump is chosen randomly and can only happen once every four days.
I'm getting scumvibes there. Well, not that post specifically, but elsewhere. (And no, I'm not still just being contrary. I'm actually being serious now.)
OK. But in addition, consider: he decides to pop in and inform us of the Vaca. Why not just leave it at that? What is the purpose of the vote?
It's RVS; throwing down a vote is what we do to get the game moving. And I think his response to you was fine. A little curt, perhaps, but not malicious.
I am reading it as potentially malicious, but he's not around regardless so I'll revisit in a couple days.
By the way, being that three mafia seems likely, that might be further verified by the contents of a standard card deck... Seems to me like the face cards would be the obvious baddie roles.
I'm untargetable. If hearts are trump, I can copy my untargetability at night to another target player for a single night. I have unlimited(!) shots of this.
So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
Has anyone ever seen a role like this? Seems so obscure. Not sure if trolling.
Again with my limited experience with this format, seems like the dangerous roles for mafia to fake claim would be the standard role blockers, seers, bodyguards, in case someone else had the comparable role. Something like this seems so easy to lie about, idk
Will you be going back to your original plan and voting that person? I am guessing TCM is also not this person.
Also correct. Whether or not I'll be voting the other person remains to be seen, but we're sharing some views on this game, so I'm not terribly concerned about it right now.
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Well, you know me well enough to know I had half a mind to vote Iso for pre-planning his targets
Um...? I didn't pre-plan my target. My suspicion was based on RVS.
I'm untargetable. If hearts are trump, I can copy my untargetability at night to another target player for a single night. I have unlimited(!) shots of this.
So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
FOOLISH MORTAL, I NEED NOT YOUR PROTECTION.
Also, haven't you learned by now that you should really read the OP to figure out what's going on with a game's mechanics?
I'm getting scumvibes there. Well, not that post specifically, but elsewhere. (And no, I'm not still just being contrary. I'm actually being serious now.)
I only agree if TCM flips scum, which would make them buddies. But if TCM isn't scum, then smoke certainly isn't. What post did you think was scummy? Because I liked the tone associated with his self-meta declarations.
I agree on TCM though. I didn't like his first post, and haven't liked one since.
Oh good, maybe you are town. RVS had me worried. TCM's RVS post pinged me, but you pinged me more - I was actually considering voting you before TCM took my Huntzilla bait.
I am reading it as potentially malicious, but he's not around regardless so I'll revisit in a couple days.
By the way, being that three mafia seems likely, that might be further verified by the contents of a standard card deck... Seems to me like the face cards would be the obvious baddie roles.
Jack, Queen, King? What about Ace? I don't think this line of modgaming is productive.
I'm untargetable. If hearts are trump, I can copy my untargetability at night to another target player for a single night. I have unlimited(!) shots of this.
So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
Has anyone ever seen a role like this? Seems so obscure. Not sure if trolling.
Again with my limited experience with this format, seems like the dangerous roles for mafia to fake claim would be the standard role blockers, seers, bodyguards, in case someone else had the comparable role. Something like this seems so easy to lie about, idk
I think this game is a bit beyond the "norm" you're used to. Cantrip's actually one of my favorite game designers from his solo performance ( ) with Polyopticon. I'd advise you to consider things outside of the realm of standard Mafia roles if you want to be able to analyze this game to the extent you'll need.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But the naked vote I REALLY dislike is OceanBlack's. It seems very ill-timed as people are starting to wagon on TCM and he provides the counter wagon.
@Oceanblack
Why are you voting B_E2?
His initial posts are awkward - his dayvig gambit looked like he was trying to force content that was neutral rather than post normally.
Why is starting a counter-wagon bad? Doesn't that rest on the assumption that TCM is in fact scum? My initial reason for voting TCM was his post 6 ("good night thread, I'll read you tomorrow"). It is an odd thing to say when there were only 3-4 posts in thread. It is not a great reason but the best I had on page 1. But it was outweighed by BE's posts.
Counter-wagons look bad, but would not mean anything until TCM flipped. Simply because it would look like a scum buddy trying to provide a counter wagon to his own scum buddy getting run up. That is correct that the assumption would lie on TCM being scum. But you answer assuages any concern I may have had.
@Iso
Oh, the way I had read it was that you had been planning on voting this person beforehand. I did not realize you simply meant during RVS. My apologies.
Also,
La Roux gets stuck in my head every time you bring it up...
@MOD (and everyone...)
I will be V/LA from this evening (4/10) until Sunday evening (4/12). I hope to be able to post when I return...
Seriously, Iso, we're not even 2 days into this game and you've already got multiple quotewalls. I don't wanna have to stop reading your posts on Day 1.
1. WAGONS! but also
2. He said 'my town meta sucks' which seems like trying to excuse his future bad play and
3. He voted a dude with no explanations well out of RVS. Which I kind of just did, shut up
Anyway, I'm dumb.
I dislike all of these reasons.
@Blind: No, probably not. But his actions didn't justify a vote (which is probably the reason Iso & TCM did it [I think that upcoming interaction is not going to lead anywhere, spoilers]), and I am a big fan of self-meta.
Also, mafia members on this site can quote each other's role PMs in their mafia chat (at least, I've never seen an exception to this). Lastly, /barn Iso re: your setupgaming.
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Re: Seppel's plan, if he's actually untargetable (assuming he's implying that this includes the NK) at all times, then when Hearts roll around, we just all target him if possible?
Clearly, this isn't possible for the entire town (it'd be horribly imbalanced if so), but if it turns even 25% of us bulletproof, I don't see an issue. If he's lying, all the townsfolk just come out at once the following night.
Re: Seppel's plan, if he's actually untargetable (assuming he's implying that this includes the NK) at all times, then when Hearts roll around, we just all target him if possible?
Clearly, this isn't possible for the entire town (it'd be horribly imbalanced if so), but if it turns even 25% of us bulletproof, I don't see an issue. If he's lying, all the townsfolk just come out at once the following night.
I'm not sure if you've interpreted Seppel's plan correctly. But who knows, maybe I'm misinterpreting.
Oh good, maybe you are town. RVS had me worried. TCM's RVS post pinged me, but you pinged me more - I was actually considering voting you before TCM took my Huntzilla bait.
Can you clarify what you mean by saying TCM took your bait? What were you expecting to find and why did his reaction ping you? Just trying to understand.
I think I agree in the sense that I thought his vote for Hunt was odd and un-explained.
I thought Hunt came off overly friendly with his "hi everyone" opening. Iso also voted him and labeled it serious, so I thought maybe he either saw what I saw, or something else.
Quote from Iso »
Well, you're half right.
Unvote, Vote TCM
Hm, interesting for a later point.
Why question TCM on this vote but not myself?
(/barn, though.)
Why do you get to demand for whys, but not give them yourself?
Quote from Burning_Earth2 »
K let's wagon TCM
Vote TCM\
Curious to see how Iso responds to this.
Because you are voting him Iso.
I'm voting him because
1. WAGONS! but also
2. He said 'my town meta sucks' which seems like trying to excuse his future bad play and
3. He voted a dude with no explanations well out of RVS. Which I kind of just did, shut up
Anyway, I'm dumb.
Sigh. Would someone like to confirm what I said is true, or do I have to go back to digging through XKCD? Also, for your third point, Iso didn't explain his vote either. Care to explain what makes me super special?
Quote from OceanBlack »
Unvote: The Cold Monarch
Vote: Burning_Earth2
Quote from KCC »
I agree on TCM though. I didn't like his first post, and haven't liked one since.
Which is funny considering I have made maybe 3/4 posts, one of them the closest thing you will likely get to an RVS post from me. In addition, you clearly saw every post I typed before this current post. In fact, I posted my last post here, and the above was posted an hour after mine and quoting BF who had the post right afterwards. Why did you not commit a vote then, if you thought every post I had at that point was bad?
Quote from Iso »
Oh good, maybe you are town. RVS had me worried. TCM's RVS post pinged me, but you pinged me more - I was actually considering voting you before TCM took my Huntzilla bait.
You mean, the post where I said goodnight game? Because Cantrip launched it somewhere between 11pm-midnight my time, and I have to wake up early to teach? Sheeeeet, you read through my clever Morse code. And I got caught by my vote on Hunt which was clearly an elaborate reuse?
No wonder you are marked as one of the best mafia hunters around.
Joking aside, not sure if I caught BE2, or KCC. Curious question for you though BE2: If I told you (and other players confirmed) that I am in fact well known that I have a weak early game, and found a game where I said something along the same lines as town, would you unvote me?
@dan: Those were totally necessary additions to my post.
Also, I thought Seppel said he targeted people to make them Untargetable? Did I misread that?
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@Faeth: There's nothing wrong with speculating, but you're gonna need to get a lot more creative than that, I think.
My initial vote on Huntzilla was because I saw something that seemed well-intentioned but could easily be spun in a scummy light. So I voted Hunt to see if anyone fell prey to that by hopping on to the wagon, seeing, "Oh, Iso did it! I can totally write this off and maybe get Hunt mislynched in the process!"
TCM fell for this and voted Huntzilla almost immediately after I did, and is probably scum as a result.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My initial vote on Huntzilla was because I saw something that seemed well-intentioned but could easily be spun in a scummy light. So I voted Hunt to see if anyone fell prey to that by hopping on to the wagon, seeing, "Oh, Iso did it! I can totally write this off and maybe get Hunt mislynched in the process!"
And yet, you still are refusing to be specific. Since you are claiming this is a "trap" surely if I was actually scum, you aren't going to catch another one after you said it was a trap. I gave my reason for Hunt, and assumed you would have added more. Unvote Hunt.
Seppel's role read more like a stronger version of doctor. I wouldn't look into his role at all today. Let him play his own game.
I can't lynch more than one player per Day. What am I refusing to be specific about, exactly? This just sounds to me like you're mad about being CFTWR.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, you unvoting Huntzilla confirms that you were only voting him because I started the wagon. What's changed about what he posted since the post where I stated my Hunt vote was a trap?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I have no idea what those acronyms are supposed to mean, but you either refuse to respect me as a player, or you are one of those that think "gotcha" tells are a thing. As far as Hunt, you said "I have My initial vote on Huntzilla was because I saw something that seemed well-intentioned". What is the something?
I am unvoting huntzilla, primarily because you had nothing. In addition, I am watching a couple other players, you should wait and see BE2's response.
"Caught for the Wrong Reasons" is the only acronym I used.
Also, you're deflecting. You are again stating that the only reason you voted Huntzilla was because I did...but trying to make it seem like that's not the case in the same sentence. What has changed about what Huntzilla posted since my vote on him was revealed to be a trap?
I voted Hunt for the statement, "Only scum fear RVS" when he had seen dan forgo RVS in XKCD. However, I also know that Hunt has a propensity for making statements like that as town, so with someone less familiar with his play, it would have been an easy thing to vote him for, and opportunistic as such.
B_E is one of those players whose foot is perpetually lodged firmly down his throat, which is why I " "ed when he started distracting from your own wagon with his ridiculous antics.
My vote on you has nothing to do with respect - it's nothing personal. I just think you got caught inadvertently and are (reasonably) upset about it. We all make mistakes, but it's unfortunate that you think I don't think you're a good player just because you slipped.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
BE2: If I told you (and other players confirmed) that I am in fact well known that I have a weak early game, and found a game where I said something along the same lines as town, would you unvote me?
Probably yes, because that was the main reason I voted for you. I don't think jumping on a just post-RVS wagon is a tell, Iso.
"Caught for the Wrong Reasons" is the only acronym I used.
I swear, some people acronym some of the weirdest things.
Also, you're deflecting. You are again stating that the only reason you voted Huntzilla was because I did...but trying to make it seem like that's not the case in the same sentence. What has changed about what Huntzilla posted since my vote on him was revealed to be a trap?
I stated originally in my response to Omega that it was a two partner. Sheeping you was definitely a part of it. I have found that friendliness can be feigned, and I was literally shooting in the dark. How about being open for once, instead of making me drag answers out of you?
My vote on you has nothing to do with respect - it's nothing personal. I just think you got caught inadvertently and are (reasonably) upset about it.
1). I was actually half expecting you to say your vote on me was another trap, trying to see if anyone would blindly sheep you.
2). Trust me, I am more amused. If you think after all the talks I have had about controlling your emotions. Even if I was actually upset, do you really think I would put it in my text?
3). You were fishing for gotcha tells, one of the weakest ways to scum hunt. I am in literally zero danger of being lynched.
@BE2: Still waiting for you to answer my question. Would you unvote me if I proved that my weak early game is something that is relatively well known?
BE2: If I told you (and other players confirmed) that I am in fact well known that I have a weak early game, and found a game where I said something along the same lines as town, would you unvote me?
Probably yes, because that was the main reason I voted for you. I don't think jumping on a just post-RVS wagon is a tell, Iso.
"Caught for the Wrong Reasons" is the only acronym I used.
I swear, some people acronym some of the weirdest things.
They frequently use it over on MafiaScum, so I adopted it.
Anyway, what am I not being open about, and why am I still having to drag answers out of you? You're still pointedly avoiding the most important question about this I've asked you.
Quote from The Cold Monarch »
1). I was actually half expecting you to say your vote on me was another trap, trying to see if anyone would blindly sheep you.
I thought about running a multi-level trap but there was no need for that with the way you responded.
Quote from The Cold Monarch »
2). Trust me, I am more amused. If you think after all the talks I have had about controlling your emotions. Even if I was actually upset, do you really think I would put it in my text?
Not intentionally. But I also know that I have a propensity for getting under people's skin.
[quote from="The Cold Monarch"]3). You were fishing for gotcha tells, one of the weakest ways to scum hunt. I am in literally zero danger of being lynched.
I think this is scum bravado. The only reason you're not in danger of being lynched is because B_E is taking pressure off of you by derping about.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It changes once every four days, in a mini? And it's random what it changes to? That's stupid. I thought I saw people deciding on what the set the trump to.
Oh god I'm going to be alive until the endgame. Oh god.
Or, you potentially can't see how you allow your hubris to guide you. You already convinced yourself that your "trap" would guarantee scum, you had to create this narrative that my posts are coming from an upset vibe.
You're still pointedly avoiding the most important question about this I've asked you.
Which is?
If you are referring to this:
What has changed about what Huntzilla posted since my vote on him was revealed to be a trap?
I figured the: "I am watching to other people" was clear enough. I didn't actually think Hunt was scum. Like I said, his friendliness I thought was a subtle indication, I was seeing if there was a bit of a reaction. I figured you saw something else.
Not intentionally. Smile But I also know that I have a propensity for getting under people's skin.
I find you to be amusing. For whatever God forsaken reason, you seem to have a gift for finding mafia, which leads you to so confidently proclaim people scum. I mean, I am just a regular guy, and even the few people I am/was watching, I only had a mild suspicion. You clearly in less than a 100 posts caught me. If you are scum though, than obviously this entire conversation we are having is merely your bravado.
I think this is scum bravado. The only reason you're not in danger of being lynched is because B_E is taking pressure off of you by derping about.
And how would you expect me to react if town? "Sorry buddy, but you got the wrong guy?" Also, is that really the only reason I would have to not fear a lynch?
Quote from BE2 »
DID YOU NOT READ THIS POST???
Calm down. Your post didn't exist when I made my last one. I just got distracted by path, and let it lay there for a while. From Xkcd mafia:
Quote from Iso »
I know that you've always been the self-declared "thriver of late-game analysis"
I had one more, but forgot that game is still ongoing. I suppose you will just have to take my word on it.
Oh god I'm going to be alive until the endgame. Oh god.
See you there!
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@TCM: No, if I were convinced that my trap were going to catch scum, there wouldn't have been the chance that I would then use you as level 2 of the trap. You just happened to conveniently blunder into it, which removed the need to go all Trapception on this game.
I don't buy it. You didn't think Huntzilla was scum, yet you were willing to let me take the fall for the Hunt wagon if he flipped town, so you voted him, anyway? I don't see the town mindset in this.
As town, I'd expect you to not automatically assume that the person attacking you is town...which is what you appeared to do, based on the manner in which we've been exchanging posts. Only in this last post of yours did you suggest the possibility that I might not be town, which I have to question the timing and reasoning of. Do you think I'm scum? Why or why not?
And yeah, I'd say a counter-wagon is the best way to avoid a Day 1 lynch, given that you just played the "my early game is weak" card. I had a pretty solid town read on you early on in XKCD, and I'm not at all getting the same feeling from your posts here that I did then.
As a sort of OoG thing, I'm curious - in what way do I amuse you? The "court jester" fashion, or the "stand-up comedian" fashion? Or neither? If neither, could you find a better descriptor? I just want to get a grasp on your perception of me. It's not terribly relevant to the progression of the game, though, so if you'd like to wait for post-game to answer, feel free.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hi, I'm dropping by to let everyone know I'll be absent from the thread today. It is table top day, playing board games with friends. Be back tomorrow. I'm not really following the iso/tcm argument but get the feeling it isn't civ vs civ. If I had to pick who I thought was more likely scum right now I'm leaning tcm-
I don't think jumping on a just post-RVS wagon is a tell, Iso.
It's not just the fact that he jumped, but his weak reasoning for doing such, as well as the opportunism associated with it.
I feel like calling it opportunistic is disingenuine if he responded to it at his first available opportunity. Just because it came after yours doesn't really make it so, IMO. Also,
Quote from Iso »
I think this is scum bravado. The only reason you're not in danger of being lynched is because B_E is taking pressure off of you by derping about.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@ Iso, how likely is it that an early bandwagon on this site ends up being a lynch? There are three weeks to decide a lynch so I'd expect opinions to change and for wagons to rise and fall. You are implying that TCM wagoned Hunt hoping that Hunt gets mislynched and then the blame can be laid on you. Except it doesn't seem very likely that Hunt would have been lynched at all. It was early game. Opinions would likely shift by the end of three weeks. So, where's the opportunism in jumping on that wagon?
Well, iso, imo Occam's tells me that he saw what he saw, but wasn't going to reveal it until he addressed the votes and try ed to figure out the reason(s) for himself. I just don't see much upside in trying to lie about that at such an early point in the game, where any slip is going to be overly scrutinized due to lack of anything else to go off of.
Not trying to defend TCM for TCM, just my perspective on things.
@ Iso, how likely is it that an early bandwagon on this site ends up being a lynch? There are three weeks to decide a lynch so I'd expect opinions to change and for wagons to rise and fall. You are implying that TCM wagoned Hunt hoping that Hunt gets mislynched and then the blame can be laid on you. Except it doesn't seem very likely that Hunt would have been lynched at all. It was early game. Opinions would likely shift by the end of three weeks. So, where's the opportunism in jumping on that wagon?
I've seen occasions where the first wagon has resulted in a lynch, as few and far between as they are. Either way, it's very probable that TCM could have eventually gotten a claim out of Huntzilla, which, regardless, advances the scum win condition.
Well, iso, imo Occam's tells me that he saw what he saw, but wasn't going to reveal it until he addressed the votes and try ed to figure out the reason(s) for himself. I just don't see much upside in trying to lie about that at such an early point in the game, where any slip is going to be overly scrutinized due to lack of anything else to go off of.
Not trying to defend TCM for TCM, just my perspective on things.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Counter-wagons look bad, but would not mean anything until TCM flipped. Simply because it would look like a scum buddy trying to provide a counter wagon to his own scum buddy getting run up. That is correct that the assumption would lie on TCM being scum. But you answer assuages any concern I may have had.
This seems awkward to me. I'll go with my gut and vote huntzilla.
@Burning_Earth2:
Why do you think I am voting for you?
Also Blindfaeth is an official townread. Despite his wrongness, he is eager to figure out the game.[/quote]
Wrong about what? Frankly I'm tired of these vague statements from ISO and yourself. Are you talking about my face card theory? If so, where is your proof? Are you hinting you're one of those roles and are town? People claimed my discussion about it was unhelpful, how is this any different? Honestly, it only makes me feel more sure that I am right. unvote
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So let's make hearts trump. Someone claim your full role in your next post if you're a badass and want autotown status + untargetability.
I'm not sure how this was ever supposed to be balanced.
Oh... uh
I'm getting scumvibes there. Well, not that post specifically, but elsewhere. (And no, I'm not still just being contrary. I'm actually being serious now.)
I agree on TCM though. I didn't like his first post, and haven't liked one since.
Unvote: EP
Vote: TCM
It's RVS; throwing down a vote is what we do to get the game moving. And I think his response to you was fine. A little curt, perhaps, but not malicious.
If hearts were trump, I'd so take you up on this.
By the way, being that three mafia seems likely, that might be further verified by the contents of a standard card deck... Seems to me like the face cards would be the obvious baddie roles.
Has anyone ever seen a role like this? Seems so obscure. Not sure if trolling.
Again with my limited experience with this format, seems like the dangerous roles for mafia to fake claim would be the standard role blockers, seers, bodyguards, in case someone else had the comparable role. Something like this seems so easy to lie about, idk
Also correct. Whether or not I'll be voting the other person remains to be seen, but we're sharing some views on this game, so I'm not terribly concerned about it right now.
Um...? I didn't pre-plan my target. My suspicion was based on RVS.
FOOLISH MORTAL, I NEED NOT YOUR PROTECTION.
Also, haven't you learned by now that you should really read the OP to figure out what's going on with a game's mechanics?
I only agree if TCM flips scum, which would make them buddies. But if TCM isn't scum, then smoke certainly isn't. What post did you think was scummy? Because I liked the tone associated with his self-meta declarations.
Oh good, maybe you are town. RVS had me worried. TCM's RVS post pinged me, but you pinged me more - I was actually considering voting you before TCM took my Huntzilla bait.
Jack, Queen, King? What about Ace? I don't think this line of modgaming is productive.
I think this game is a bit beyond the "norm" you're used to. Cantrip's actually one of my favorite game designers from his solo performance ( ) with Polyopticon. I'd advise you to consider things outside of the realm of standard Mafia roles if you want to be able to analyze this game to the extent you'll need.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
His initial posts are awkward - his dayvig gambit looked like he was trying to force content that was neutral rather than post normally.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/602540-full-deck-mafia-heres-the-deal-day-1?comment=83]Post 83 feels fake especially his point 3 where he says "3. He voted a dude with no explanations well out of RVS. Which I kind of just did, shut up. Anyway, I'm dumb" where he gives a weak reason, then discounts it saying that he did it too, then self-deprecates. He is too cautious and uneasy and looks like he's trying to hide something.
Why is starting a counter-wagon bad? Doesn't that rest on the assumption that TCM is in fact scum? My initial reason for voting TCM was his post 6 ("good night thread, I'll read you tomorrow"). It is an odd thing to say when there were only 3-4 posts in thread. It is not a great reason but the best I had on page 1. But it was outweighed by BE's posts.
Counter-wagons look bad, but would not mean anything until TCM flipped. Simply because it would look like a scum buddy trying to provide a counter wagon to his own scum buddy getting run up. That is correct that the assumption would lie on TCM being scum. But you answer assuages any concern I may have had.
@Iso
Oh, the way I had read it was that you had been planning on voting this person beforehand. I did not realize you simply meant during RVS. My apologies.
Also,
La Roux gets stuck in my head every time you bring it up...
@MOD (and everyone...)
I will be V/LA from this evening (4/10) until Sunday evening (4/12). I hope to be able to post when I return...
Also, on a more serious note, you could just shorten your quotewalls by omitting completely unnecessary things like:
I dislike all of these reasons.
@Blind: No, probably not. But his actions didn't justify a vote (which is probably the reason Iso & TCM did it [I think that upcoming interaction is not going to lead anywhere, spoilers]), and I am a big fan of self-meta.
Also, mafia members on this site can quote each other's role PMs in their mafia chat (at least, I've never seen an exception to this). Lastly, /barn Iso re: your setupgaming.
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Re: Seppel's plan, if he's actually untargetable (assuming he's implying that this includes the NK) at all times, then when Hearts roll around, we just all target him if possible?
Clearly, this isn't possible for the entire town (it'd be horribly imbalanced if so), but if it turns even 25% of us bulletproof, I don't see an issue. If he's lying, all the townsfolk just come out at once the following night.
I'm not sure if you've interpreted Seppel's plan correctly. But who knows, maybe I'm misinterpreting.
Can you clarify what you mean by saying TCM took your bait? What were you expecting to find and why did his reaction ping you? Just trying to understand.
I think I agree in the sense that I thought his vote for Hunt was odd and un-explained.
I thought Hunt came off overly friendly with his "hi everyone" opening. Iso also voted him and labeled it serious, so I thought maybe he either saw what I saw, or something else.
Why do you get to demand for whys, but not give them yourself?
Curious to see how Iso responds to this.
Sigh. Would someone like to confirm what I said is true, or do I have to go back to digging through XKCD? Also, for your third point, Iso didn't explain his vote either. Care to explain what makes me super special?
Which is funny considering I have made maybe 3/4 posts, one of them the closest thing you will likely get to an RVS post from me. In addition, you clearly saw every post I typed before this current post. In fact, I posted my last post here, and the above was posted an hour after mine and quoting BF who had the post right afterwards. Why did you not commit a vote then, if you thought every post I had at that point was bad?
You mean, the post where I said goodnight game? Because Cantrip launched it somewhere between 11pm-midnight my time, and I have to wake up early to teach? Sheeeeet, you read through my clever Morse code. And I got caught by my vote on Hunt which was clearly an elaborate reuse?
No wonder you are marked as one of the best mafia hunters around.
Joking aside, not sure if I caught BE2, or KCC. Curious question for you though BE2: If I told you (and other players confirmed) that I am in fact well known that I have a weak early game, and found a game where I said something along the same lines as town, would you unvote me?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, I thought Seppel said he targeted people to make them Untargetable? Did I misread that?
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@Faeth: There's nothing wrong with speculating, but you're gonna need to get a lot more creative than that, I think.
My initial vote on Huntzilla was because I saw something that seemed well-intentioned but could easily be spun in a scummy light. So I voted Hunt to see if anyone fell prey to that by hopping on to the wagon, seeing, "Oh, Iso did it! I can totally write this off and maybe get Hunt mislynched in the process!"
TCM fell for this and voted Huntzilla almost immediately after I did, and is probably scum as a result.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And yet, you still are refusing to be specific. Since you are claiming this is a "trap" surely if I was actually scum, you aren't going to catch another one after you said it was a trap. I gave my reason for Hunt, and assumed you would have added more. Unvote Hunt.
Seppel's role read more like a stronger version of doctor. I wouldn't look into his role at all today. Let him play his own game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I am unvoting huntzilla, primarily because you had nothing. In addition, I am watching a couple other players, you should wait and see BE2's response.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, you're deflecting. You are again stating that the only reason you voted Huntzilla was because I did...but trying to make it seem like that's not the case in the same sentence. What has changed about what Huntzilla posted since my vote on him was revealed to be a trap?
I voted Hunt for the statement, "Only scum fear RVS" when he had seen dan forgo RVS in XKCD. However, I also know that Hunt has a propensity for making statements like that as town, so with someone less familiar with his play, it would have been an easy thing to vote him for, and opportunistic as such.
B_E is one of those players whose foot is perpetually lodged firmly down his throat, which is why I " "ed when he started distracting from your own wagon with his ridiculous antics.
My vote on you has nothing to do with respect - it's nothing personal. I just think you got caught inadvertently and are (reasonably) upset about it. We all make mistakes, but it's unfortunate that you think I don't think you're a good player just because you slipped.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
...disappointing
@Burning_Earth2:
Why do you think I am voting for you?
smoke_Killah
will be sigged
I kind of looked really awkward. I mean, the daykill thing and taking it back was 'self-conscious' etc.
Also Blindfaeth is an official townread. Despite his wrongness, he is eager to figure out the game.
Probably yes, because that was the main reason I voted for you. I don't think jumping on a just post-RVS wagon is a tell, Iso.
I swear, some people acronym some of the weirdest things.
I stated originally in my response to Omega that it was a two partner. Sheeping you was definitely a part of it. I have found that friendliness can be feigned, and I was literally shooting in the dark. How about being open for once, instead of making me drag answers out of you?
1). I was actually half expecting you to say your vote on me was another trap, trying to see if anyone would blindly sheep you.
2). Trust me, I am more amused. If you think after all the talks I have had about controlling your emotions. Even if I was actually upset, do you really think I would put it in my text?
3). You were fishing for gotcha tells, one of the weakest ways to scum hunt. I am in literally zero danger of being lynched.
@BE2: Still waiting for you to answer my question. Would you unvote me if I proved that my weak early game is something that is relatively well known?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
DID YOU NOT READ THIS POST???
It's not just the fact that he jumped, but his weak reasoning for doing such, as well as the opportunism associated with it.
They frequently use it over on MafiaScum, so I adopted it.
Anyway, what am I not being open about, and why am I still having to drag answers out of you? You're still pointedly avoiding the most important question about this I've asked you.
I thought about running a multi-level trap but there was no need for that with the way you responded.
Not intentionally. But I also know that I have a propensity for getting under people's skin.
[quote from="The Cold Monarch"]3). You were fishing for gotcha tells, one of the weakest ways to scum hunt. I am in literally zero danger of being lynched.
I think this is scum bravado. The only reason you're not in danger of being lynched is because B_E is taking pressure off of you by derping about.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Oh god I'm going to be alive until the endgame. Oh god.
Which is?
If you are referring to this:
I figured the: "I am watching to other people" was clear enough. I didn't actually think Hunt was scum. Like I said, his friendliness I thought was a subtle indication, I was seeing if there was a bit of a reaction. I figured you saw something else.
I find you to be amusing. For whatever God forsaken reason, you seem to have a gift for finding mafia, which leads you to so confidently proclaim people scum. I mean, I am just a regular guy, and even the few people I am/was watching, I only had a mild suspicion. You clearly in less than a 100 posts caught me. If you are scum though, than obviously this entire conversation we are having is merely your bravado.
And how would you expect me to react if town? "Sorry buddy, but you got the wrong guy?" Also, is that really the only reason I would have to not fear a lynch?
Calm down. Your post didn't exist when I made my last one. I just got distracted by path, and let it lay there for a while. From Xkcd mafia:
I had one more, but forgot that game is still ongoing. I suppose you will just have to take my word on it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
See you there!
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@TCM: No, if I were convinced that my trap were going to catch scum, there wouldn't have been the chance that I would then use you as level 2 of the trap. You just happened to conveniently blunder into it, which removed the need to go all Trapception on this game.
I don't buy it. You didn't think Huntzilla was scum, yet you were willing to let me take the fall for the Hunt wagon if he flipped town, so you voted him, anyway? I don't see the town mindset in this.
As town, I'd expect you to not automatically assume that the person attacking you is town...which is what you appeared to do, based on the manner in which we've been exchanging posts. Only in this last post of yours did you suggest the possibility that I might not be town, which I have to question the timing and reasoning of. Do you think I'm scum? Why or why not?
And yeah, I'd say a counter-wagon is the best way to avoid a Day 1 lynch, given that you just played the "my early game is weak" card. I had a pretty solid town read on you early on in XKCD, and I'm not at all getting the same feeling from your posts here that I did then.
As a sort of OoG thing, I'm curious - in what way do I amuse you? The "court jester" fashion, or the "stand-up comedian" fashion? Or neither? If neither, could you find a better descriptor? I just want to get a grasp on your perception of me. It's not terribly relevant to the progression of the game, though, so if you'd like to wait for post-game to answer, feel free.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Seppel:
:tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach::tinyteach:
I disagree with your assessment on the timing. It was a wagon fresh out of RVS. What else could it be BUT opportunism?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I disagree with your assessment on the timing. It was a wagon fresh out of RVS. What else could it be BUT opportunism?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not trying to defend TCM for TCM, just my perspective on things.
I've seen occasions where the first wagon has resulted in a lynch, as few and far between as they are. Either way, it's very probable that TCM could have eventually gotten a claim out of Huntzilla, which, regardless, advances the scum win condition.
what does this even mean
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This seems awkward to me. I'll go with my gut and vote huntzilla.
What about it?
Why?
Why?
smoke_Killah
Unvote, vote oceanblack
Also Blindfaeth is an official townread. Despite his wrongness, he is eager to figure out the game.[/quote]
Wrong about what? Frankly I'm tired of these vague statements from ISO and yourself. Are you talking about my face card theory? If so, where is your proof? Are you hinting you're one of those roles and are town? People claimed my discussion about it was unhelpful, how is this any different? Honestly, it only makes me feel more sure that I am right. unvote
vote BE2