I'm actually all for revealing information, but I think it would be better tomorrow.
So we can go to a location at any given point of time but only once per day. Scum will be working together andprobably figure out where there stuff is faster. If we all just info dump day 2, the numbet of town is greater than the number of scum so hopefully the town are paying attention and can go get the items first.
Also I think Ika's town. On the other hand, Burs tone bothers me in his rvs.
unvote vote bur
There's a lot more to comment on than that and Bur's pretty obviously town at this point. Why the lackluster post?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
Ika feels genuine to me. Not really seeing a scum motivation in his side of the back and forth with Iso. I'm not sure about the unforced soft-claim though, seems really dumb to do as town, but I suppose I can see the line of thought there with the frustration.
Not sure how I feel about Iso. His questions have felt like he is trying to figure out the game, but stuff like apologizing to Ika for pushing him too much and the "scum" claim in RVS are weird. Feels like he could be trying too hard to be obvtown, which makes it seem forced and less genuine to me.
I agree with Rhand on Kam's 91, and I also think it feels a bit constructed. "We need to get interaction from everyone else." is just such an obvious thing to say.
The way Void followed Iso onto Ika and Iso pushing Void for his read of him makes me think that Void and Iso are at least not scum together.
The way Iso and Bur towncleared each other off basically nothing makes me think they are at least not scum together.
I think town should be sharing info about locations to unlock their roles ASAP. Sure, it helps narrow it down for scum too, but a vanilla town can't hold scum accountable. We need to unlock our protective/investigative roles as early as we can or scum can just fire away at the most towny people without worry.
On that note, don't waste your time at City Walls, there is nothing there.
Alright, so Bur rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning because of how rigid and correct his grammar, sentence structure and all that jazz. I think that's just how he posts though. Usually scum take way to much to me editing and drafting so it comes out mechanical.
Void and ika are current top town reads, really I feel like void is a valuable town and not great at scum so assuming he's town is fine.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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That depends on the manner in which he is dumbing but he's likely to earn my vote in the future if he keeps it up. That said, I know exactly where I want my vote, but I am not placing it yet for reasons.
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unvote I'm still not liking ika as town, but there is something better out there.
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Who would you have preferred me to ask?
The answer to your question is very much obvious. If you haven't figured it out by the end of this post, then you will need to wait until I a ready to respond to the question.
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The way Void followed Iso onto Ika and Iso pushing Void for his read of him makes me think that Void and Iso are at least not scum together.
The way Iso and Bur towncleared each other off basically nothing makes me think they are at least not scum together.
I dislike this phrasing. Also, I want more explanation - how do those things lead to "not scum together"?
re: Void - He basically barned Iso and voted Ika with him. Iso also called Void town after one post where he asked one question to one person. I don't see them townclearing each other for nothing and being the first ones on a wagon together right out of the gate D1 as scumbuddies.
re:Bur - Like I said, Bur towncleared Iso for nothing, just RVS. Then Iso turns around and says Bur is pretty clearly town when she hasn't done anything outside of RVS either. Sure WIFOM is a thing, but at this point I can't imagine they would so blatantly clear each other for nothing like that if they are scum together.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hey bur, why did you feel the need to say you didn't power up?
I said that there was something in the Sanctum and it's not mine. (But, if you read the rules, you know that one only gets the confirmation that there is something if they don't find their own Grimoire there. So, revealing that I know there is something at Sanctum also reveal that I didn't find my own there.)
@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
vote mirrorentity
I assume this "Blur" refers to me. Also, if by "this information" you refer to my knowledge that there is something at Sanctum, that's easy. I searched today Sanctum for my Grimoire and got that information from Mod.
Alright, so Bur rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning because of how rigid and correct his grammar, sentence structure and all that jazz. I think that's just how he posts though. Usually scum take way to much to me editing and drafting so it comes out mechanical.
Allow me to let you in on a secret: I'm not a native speaker. My English is based on how I was taught English, so I'm sticking with it.
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re:Bur - Like I said, Bur towncleared Iso for nothing, just RVS. Then Iso turns around and says Bur is pretty clearly town when she hasn't done anything outside of RVS either. Sure WIFOM is a thing, but at this point I can't imagine they would so blatantly clear each other for nothing like that if they are scum together.
... would you point that out to me where I did that? I don't recall ever townclearing Iso. (Unless you mean something else than "Bur thinks Iso is town".)
I think Iso is town. I still disagree about dumping out info, though. First, narrowing down locations for scum to find grimoires is bad, even if we also help town find grimoires - I think the typical balance of such games is that one scum power role is stronger than one town power role.Second, by declaring the information, you're narrowing down the field of activated town power roles for scum to kill.
I don't see the difference Iso is claiming in ika's posts. This ika feels just like the ika I saw at the start of UT. So I have a town lean there as well. That said, if you two could lighten up on the argument, that would be great. We need to get interaction from everyone else too.
Bolded part: Finally something from you that I like.
Btw, do you guys agree with the underlined part? I don't know the meta here, so I can't comment at all, but I'd like to hear other's opinions about it.
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re:Bur - Like I said, Bur towncleared Iso for nothing, just RVS. Then Iso turns around and says Bur is pretty clearly town when she hasn't done anything outside of RVS either. Sure WIFOM is a thing, but at this point I can't imagine they would so blatantly clear each other for nothing like that if they are scum together.
... would you point that out to me where I did that? I don't recall ever townclearing Iso. (Unless you mean something else than "Bur thinks Iso is town".)
Clearly that person has never heard of uppercase letters, and that is sign of lacking education. We all know that lack of education leads to all kinds of crimes.
Also, saying this already: If Iso ends up staying alive and winning this game as mafia, I'll eat my hat.
But now that I reread it...it might not mean what I thought it meant. It's still possible you could think he is mafia and just not be alive endgame. I was reading it as you saying you would eat your hat if he was mafia period.
I think Iso is town. I still disagree about dumping out info, though. First, narrowing down locations for scum to find grimoires is bad, even if we also help town find grimoires - I think the typical balance of such games is that one scum power role is stronger than one town power role.Second, by declaring the information, you're narrowing down the field of activated town power roles for scum to kill.
I don't see the difference Iso is claiming in ika's posts. This ika feels just like the ika I saw at the start of UT. So I have a town lean there as well. That said, if you two could lighten up on the argument, that would be great. We need to get interaction from everyone else too.
Bolded part: Finally something from you that I like.
Btw, do you guys agree with the underlined part? I don't know the meta here, so I can't comment at all, but I'd like to hear other's opinions about it.
It depends on the game and the role I think, but in general I wouldn't say that it's typically the case, no. Town don't typically fear scum PR as much as scum fear town PR. In fact, a lot of the time scum PR's can be a liability.
We should have a formal vote on what we should share and what not. I think it might be better to d it early because at some point we will have to stop sharing knowledge or the scum will know exactly who powered up.
Example, I went to place A, something exists but it's not mine. If we all do that eventually people will hit theirs and the scum will know who to NK.
For this reason I think it would be a good idea that no one today would anymore share any information about this. Since after finding your role you can still keep on searching places, having a everyone tell everyday their reads would be a really bad idea, since mafia can that way figure out easily who hasn't got a PR and who has.
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My first instinct on the mechanics is to actually spread out and search all locations N1 so we know where not to look for stuff.
Scum is the informed party and can share between themselves, so if we don't organize quickly they get a head start.
I'll start really getting into the game when I am back home. Too busy working now and often no internet during downtime.
My first instinct on the mechanics is to actually spread out and search all locations N1 so we know where not to look for stuff.
Scum is the informed party and can share between themselves, so if we don't organize quickly they get a head start.
I'll start really getting into the game when I am back home. Too busy working now and often no internet during downtime.
... so, what are you suggesting we do, exactly? Please elaborate.
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There's 10 locations and 11 of us will go into Night.
My suggestion is that we divide the locations and each searches one and reports toMorrow if there is something to be found there. If scum lies here, they can be caught in that lie later, so they probably won't.
That way starting Day 2 we can move faster with getting us powered up.
If we don't do this, then we risk a while bunch of us visiting a location with nothing in it, wasting a day of searching.
... why are you talking about "night"? It was said in the info-post that you decide to location during the day, not night. You can visit a location once per day. (Guess why some of us have already disclosed some information about some locations?)
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My suggestion is that we divide the locations and each searches one and reports toMorrow if there is something to be found there. If scum lies here, they can be caught in that lie later, so they probably won't.
I don't understand this one either. Once a grimoire is found, that location will be having one grimoire less. So, I don't get how you can exactly (easily at least) catch someone lying. Also, "dividing places" sounds like a poor plan, since people do have hints about the locations of grimoires. (I did have one in my PM and ika claimed to have two.)
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@Void: The bolded part.
"If scum lies here, they can be caught in that lie later, so they probably won't."
I just can't see how this is supposed to work. Assuming that they can exchange information during nights, catching someone lying seems to me much harder than it sounds...
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@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
Hi Antny, have you read the rules yet?
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@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
I think I answered this already but for anyone who's not convinced on Void and Bur yet, just read their posts. Seriously.
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Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
vote mirrorentity
What the hell is this? (This = a number of things that baffle me about the quoted segment, so feel free to be as detailed as possible.)
Not sure how I feel about Iso. His questions have felt like he is trying to figure out the game, but stuff like apologizing to Ika for pushing him too much and the "scum" claim in RVS are weird. Feels like he could be trying too hard to be obvtown, which makes it seem forced and less genuine to me.
How does one force being obvtown, exactly? Isn't a player obvtown of their own merits, rather than by forcing it? How do you explain this disconnect?
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The way Void followed Iso onto Ika and Iso pushing Void for his read of him makes me think that Void and Iso are at least not scum together.
Confirming that Void is not my scumbuddy.
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The way Iso and Bur towncleared each other off basically nothing makes me think they are at least not scum together.
I don't think Bur stated what you think he stated. Also, it wasn't "basically nothing".
Alright, so Bur rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning because of how rigid and correct his grammar, sentence structure and all that jazz. I think that's just how he posts though. Usually scum take way to much to me editing and drafting so it comes out mechanical.
Mostly PoE based on who I"m not already reading as town, but obviously each player I"ve listed as a scum read has said or done something that I think is scummy, yourself included.
I think Iso is town. I still disagree about dumping out info, though. First, narrowing down locations for scum to find grimoires is bad, even if we also help town find grimoires - I think the typical balance of such games is that one scum power role is stronger than one town power role.Second, by declaring the information, you're narrowing down the field of activated town power roles for scum to kill.
I don't see the difference Iso is claiming in ika's posts. This ika feels just like the ika I saw at the start of UT. So I have a town lean there as well. That said, if you two could lighten up on the argument, that would be great. We need to get interaction from everyone else too.
Bolded part: Finally something from you that I like.
Btw, do you guys agree with the underlined part? I don't know the meta here, so I can't comment at all, but I'd like to hear other's opinions about it.
For the bold: Why do you like that? Did it not seem obvious initially? Do you think scumArch would say this sort of thing to seem town?
For the underlined: I've really never thought of it in such a phrasing before (which is another thing that's hella weird about Arch this game), but I guess it would have to be true, yeah.
We should have a formal vote on what we should share and what not. I think it might be better to d it early because at some point we will have to stop sharing knowledge or the scum will know exactly who powered up.
Example, I went to place A, something exists but it's not mine. If we all do that eventually people will hit theirs and the scum will know who to NK.
Taking a formal vote on this is a waste of time. Share your information if you want. Otherwise, don't. I don't see any harm in it, as I suspect all of our PRs will be online by Day 3 at the absolute latest.
I think Iso is town. I still disagree about dumping out info, though. First, narrowing down locations for scum to find grimoires is bad, even if we also help town find grimoires - I think the typical balance of such games is that one scum power role is stronger than one town power role. Second, by declaring the information, you're narrowing down the field of activated town power roles for scum to kill.
I don't see the difference Iso is claiming in ika's posts. This ika feels just like the ika I saw at the start of UT. So I have a town lean there as well. That said, if you two could lighten up on the argument, that would be great. We need to get interaction from everyone else too.
I'm actually all for revealing information, but I think it would be better tomorrow.
So we can go to a location at any given point of time but only once per day. Scum will be working together andprobably figure out where there stuff is faster. If we all just info dump day 2, the numbet of town is greater than the number of scum so hopefully the town are paying attention and can go get the items first.
Also I think Ika's town. On the other hand, Burs tone bothers me in his rvs.
unvote vote bur
Had a quick look at ika's last game. His posts here didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Looked like a genuine misunderstanding over those few pages.
RE: Mechanics. I think this is a case where we have to cut a fine balance. I think there is a reasonable amount of information now to stop without getting to the point where town activated powers are easily red flagged. However, if the vote goes to full disclosure then I am flexible to post my result.
@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
vote mirrorentity
I'm not behind either an Iso or ika wagon at this point.
hawk - I think that this information midground is reasonable, possibly optimal, what do you think?
Bur - I still haven't played many games but I think it depends on individual setups given you are weighing scum/town player counts with scum getting nightkills and more information. Wouldn't call it clear cut.
Hunger - you're surprised by Iso's RVS behaviour? I'm not especially based on some previous experience.
Citric request to hear at least some thoughts after a readthrough. Do you have meta to point to?
Same for Bur and Archon as I have been out of the game a long time.
Arch was previously known as Archonoid on this site, if you remember him.
Why do you feel so disconnected from the game? I'm not impressed by anything you've written here, at all.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Alright, so Bur rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning because of how rigid and correct his grammar, sentence structure and all that jazz. I think that's just how he posts though. Usually scum take way to much to me editing and drafting so it comes out mechanical.
Void and ika are current top town reads, really I feel like void is a valuable town and not great at scum so assuming he's town is fine.
I wanna hear from citric
unvote vote citric
The first part backtracks on the Bur read based on posting style - and I think he's making up a reason to do so because he doesn't wait to hear anything from his question to Bur first and it's just a few posts after Iso calls out his vote post. Then he puts his vote on Citric to emphasize his point that he wants to hear from him, which is a throwaway and feels like he's scrambling to find something to do with his vote. I really doubt that he thought the best use of his time was to vote the player who hadn't checked in yet - I think he got ruffled from his Bur vote and wanted a place that looked productive but that he could more easily justify.
@Rhand and DCIII
What do you think of KamikazeArchon's post in #91?
I agree with Rhand - saying that he thinks Iso is Town with no explanation seems off. The talk about the mechanics and the needing to get interaction from everyone else feels like it's trying to make a show of being helpful - and then the below reaction also feels forced to me.
Because I can't bold things on my phone, and to make it clear that I would have voted sooner could I have done so.
Is your vote serious? If not, why are you RVS voting after I've ended RVS? If so, are you planning on elaborating on reasons why or are you going to piggyback off of the wagon that Void and I have started?
I didn't like post #12. Sounds like a lie, especially when juxtaposed to his #25. And also for ***** like this:
@Iso - a few things I don't like about the above - The first part about making it clear that you would have voted sooner if you could have is what I thought you were doing and it's weird that you felt it necessary to let people know that you would have voted him sooner because the only post he made prior to when you'd last posted was #12. You'd have voted him just based on #12 - but despite #25 being part of the read that helped you build off of #12, you felt the need to specify that you would have voted for him beforehand.
So what was the purpose of that? Why does it matter when you'd have voted for him if #25 was still part of your read and you were voting for him then? It's an unnatural thing to focus on and feels like you were concerned with how your involvement with ika was perceived.
I also don't like your whole "would he really say this as scum?" play throughout - especially #52 in response to Rhand where you talk about, in retrospect, channeling Az - which feels fake because making so many jokes about being scum doesn't feel like something that you wouldn't have weighed the pros and cons of beforehand. Don't believe that you'd just now think about that being something Az does as scum - seems like that'd be something you'd be much more aware of when you were doing it.
@Iso - a few things I don't like about the above - The first part about making it clear that you would have voted sooner if you could have is what I thought you were doing and it's weird that you felt it necessary to let people know that you would have voted him sooner because the only post he made prior to when you'd last posted was #12. You'd have voted him just based on #12 - but despite #25 being part of the read that helped you build off of #12, you felt the need to specify that you would have voted for him beforehand.
So what was the purpose of that? Why does it matter when you'd have voted for him if #25 was still part of your read and you were voting for him then? It's an unnatural thing to focus on and feels like you were concerned with how your involvement with ika was perceived.
The purpose was to remind everyone that I can't bold on my phone, because I get really annoyed when people ask me where my vote is and I'm posting from my phone.
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I also don't like your whole "would he really say this as scum?" play throughout - especially #52 in response to Rhand where you talk about, in retrospect, channeling Az - which feels fake because making so many jokes about being scum doesn't feel like something that you wouldn't have weighed the pros and cons of beforehand. Don't believe that you'd just now think about that being something Az does as scum - seems like that'd be something you'd be much more aware of when you were doing it.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There's a lot more to comment on than that and Bur's pretty obviously town at this point. Why the lackluster post?
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@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
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Is this a scum slip? Doesn't everyone have different items to look for?
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Not sure how I feel about Iso. His questions have felt like he is trying to figure out the game, but stuff like apologizing to Ika for pushing him too much and the "scum" claim in RVS are weird. Feels like he could be trying too hard to be obvtown, which makes it seem forced and less genuine to me.
I agree with Rhand on Kam's 91, and I also think it feels a bit constructed. "We need to get interaction from everyone else." is just such an obvious thing to say.
The way Void followed Iso onto Ika and Iso pushing Void for his read of him makes me think that Void and Iso are at least not scum together.
The way Iso and Bur towncleared each other off basically nothing makes me think they are at least not scum together.
I think town should be sharing info about locations to unlock their roles ASAP. Sure, it helps narrow it down for scum too, but a vanilla town can't hold scum accountable. We need to unlock our protective/investigative roles as early as we can or scum can just fire away at the most towny people without worry.
On that note, don't waste your time at City Walls, there is nothing there.
Void and ika are current top town reads, really I feel like void is a valuable town and not great at scum so assuming he's town is fine.
I wanna hear from citric
unvote vote citric
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Antny: You should read up on my history with Void. As for Bur, his mindset is pretty open book right now.
Hunger: It is good of you to be wary of me! I am scum, after all.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What would be the consequence for Hawk if he keeps up being dumb?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
vote: Hunger
@hawk
Who would you have preferred me to ask?
The answer to your question is very much obvious. If you haven't figured it out by the end of this post, then you will need to wait until I a ready to respond to the question.
Give me your thoughts on post #106
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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What did you think of it?
re: Void - He basically barned Iso and voted Ika with him. Iso also called Void town after one post where he asked one question to one person. I don't see them townclearing each other for nothing and being the first ones on a wagon together right out of the gate D1 as scumbuddies.
re:Bur - Like I said, Bur towncleared Iso for nothing, just RVS. Then Iso turns around and says Bur is pretty clearly town when she hasn't done anything outside of RVS either. Sure WIFOM is a thing, but at this point I can't imagine they would so blatantly clear each other for nothing like that if they are scum together.
I'm town though.
*****, forgot ME was in this game. Maybe scum. Will figure out later.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Note to self: Respond to hawk's RVS interpretation when at computer
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This might be a tad late to answer this, but I didn't get that post at all.
I said that there was something in the Sanctum and it's not mine. (But, if you read the rules, you know that one only gets the confirmation that there is something if they don't find their own Grimoire there. So, revealing that I know there is something at Sanctum also reveal that I didn't find my own there.)
I assume this "Blur" refers to me. Also, if by "this information" you refer to my knowledge that there is something at Sanctum, that's easy. I searched today Sanctum for my Grimoire and got that information from Mod.
Allow me to let you in on a secret: I'm not a native speaker. My English is based on how I was taught English, so I'm sticking with it.
I'll read through later, I might not get a chance to bear down til like tmrw
... would you point that out to me where I did that? I don't recall ever townclearing Iso. (Unless you mean something else than "Bur thinks Iso is town".)
Bolded part: Finally something from you that I like.
Btw, do you guys agree with the underlined part? I don't know the meta here, so I can't comment at all, but I'd like to hear other's opinions about it.
It depends on the game and the role I think, but in general I wouldn't say that it's typically the case, no. Town don't typically fear scum PR as much as scum fear town PR. In fact, a lot of the time scum PR's can be a liability.
Example, I went to place A, something exists but it's not mine. If we all do that eventually people will hit theirs and the scum will know who to NK.
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For this reason I think it would be a good idea that no one today would anymore share any information about this. Since after finding your role you can still keep on searching places, having a everyone tell everyday their reads would be a really bad idea, since mafia can that way figure out easily who hasn't got a PR and who has.
Scum is the informed party and can share between themselves, so if we don't organize quickly they get a head start.
I'll start really getting into the game when I am back home. Too busy working now and often no internet during downtime.
... so, what are you suggesting we do, exactly? Please elaborate.
My suggestion is that we divide the locations and each searches one and reports toMorrow if there is something to be found there. If scum lies here, they can be caught in that lie later, so they probably won't.
That way starting Day 2 we can move faster with getting us powered up.
If we don't do this, then we risk a while bunch of us visiting a location with nothing in it, wasting a day of searching.
I don't understand this one either. Once a grimoire is found, that location will be having one grimoire less. So, I don't get how you can exactly (easily at least) catch someone lying. Also, "dividing places" sounds like a poor plan, since people do have hints about the locations of grimoires. (I did have one in my PM and ika claimed to have two.)
What did you not understand about that post?
@Hunger
Re Post #106: I found it to be very non-committal. The vote is very weak and doesn't make sense from town mindset.
I'm not following you on the townslip you are claiming happened. Please elaborate.
"If scum lies here, they can be caught in that lie later, so they probably won't."
I just can't see how this is supposed to work. Assuming that they can exchange information during nights, catching someone lying seems to me much harder than it sounds...
It's easy to catch Scum lying with PR's that going to be floating around as more Days go by.
You're assuming the Mafia have Night talk? That is a weird line of thought.
Hi Antny, have you read the rules yet?
I think I answered this already but for anyone who's not convinced on Void and Bur yet, just read their posts. Seriously.
What the hell is this? (This = a number of things that baffle me about the quoted segment, so feel free to be as detailed as possible.)
How does one force being obvtown, exactly? Isn't a player obvtown of their own merits, rather than by forcing it? How do you explain this disconnect?
Confirming that Void is not my scumbuddy.
I don't think Bur stated what you think he stated. Also, it wasn't "basically nothing".
Why are your posts so minimalistic and narrow?
Yeah, pretty sure that's just how Bur writes.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Don't like Hawk - his question to Bur in 102 felt like an uncomfortable follow up to his vote in 101 and then this post:
The first part backtracks on the Bur read based on posting style - and I think he's making up a reason to do so because he doesn't wait to hear anything from his question to Bur first and it's just a few posts after Iso calls out his vote post. Then he puts his vote on Citric to emphasize his point that he wants to hear from him, which is a throwaway and feels like he's scrambling to find something to do with his vote. I really doubt that he thought the best use of his time was to vote the player who hadn't checked in yet - I think he got ruffled from his Bur vote and wanted a place that looked productive but that he could more easily justify.
Vote: Hawk
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I agree with Rhand - saying that he thinks Iso is Town with no explanation seems off. The talk about the mechanics and the needing to get interaction from everyone else feels like it's trying to make a show of being helpful - and then the below reaction also feels forced to me.
Have a lean scum read on Kami.
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@Iso - a few things I don't like about the above - The first part about making it clear that you would have voted sooner if you could have is what I thought you were doing and it's weird that you felt it necessary to let people know that you would have voted him sooner because the only post he made prior to when you'd last posted was #12. You'd have voted him just based on #12 - but despite #25 being part of the read that helped you build off of #12, you felt the need to specify that you would have voted for him beforehand.
So what was the purpose of that? Why does it matter when you'd have voted for him if #25 was still part of your read and you were voting for him then? It's an unnatural thing to focus on and feels like you were concerned with how your involvement with ika was perceived.
I also don't like your whole "would he really say this as scum?" play throughout - especially #52 in response to Rhand where you talk about, in retrospect, channeling Az - which feels fake because making so many jokes about being scum doesn't feel like something that you wouldn't have weighed the pros and cons of beforehand. Don't believe that you'd just now think about that being something Az does as scum - seems like that'd be something you'd be much more aware of when you were doing it.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
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2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
What do you believe that I was trying to accomplish by asking Rhand and DCIII a question and no on else?
The purpose was to remind everyone that I can't bold on my phone, because I get really annoyed when people ask me where my vote is and I'm posting from my phone.
Cool. So lynch me for it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player