How about you tell us what YOU think about Arian now as opposed to just asking how others are reaching their conclusion. Also, why did you feel the need to answer Karn's question to hooker for him?
Initially Arian's whole claim seemed bit weird (no name, weird flavour), but the 1st one was confirmed to be mod's mistake. At this stage, I don't have a strong opinion about her, and since I don't know her, I can't say much about her actions.
However, claiming Miller in 1st post is something I too would've done were I to be in her situation, so I'll give her a pass for it, for now.
Regarding answering Karn: To me, the way HP claimed made it like there was a string attached to the "Innocent Child" -part, which I thought would be pretty straightforward.
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Generally the mod comes in like he did with Arian's name and says "person X is town" or some variation of that. It's generally also an activated ability. But Hooker seems to say it's not like that... maybe a trigger then.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am all for testing HP's claim. If she's telling the truth, we probably have only a day or two to get her input (scum will probably want to eliminate the confirmed/confirmable town), so we might as well make sure there's no uncertainty.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I agree that has to happen today, but wouldn't it serve us better if we wait like... 200-300ish posts? Let everyone check in, get some cursory reads on people... then we can possibly still salvage that wagon analysis.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I agree that has to happen today, but wouldn't it serve us better if we wait like... 200-300ish posts? Let everyone check in, get some cursory reads on people... then we can possibly still salvage that wagon analysis.
I dunno how we can salvage any analysis from it at this point, but I guess I can hold off on the vote until everyone checks in.
My one worry about running me up today is that surely Annorax wouldnt put in a role as asinine as mine without some downside to wasting time running me up.
The only reason we are holding off lynching HP is we want others to check in and get a feel for everyone? Sounds like a plan. The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The only reason we are holding off lynching HP is we want others to check in and get a feel for everyone? Sounds like a plan. The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum.
I think under the circumstance, not only scum would want a quick lynch.
The only reason we are holding off lynching HP is we want others to check in and get a feel for everyone? Sounds like a plan. The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum.
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Even though Koakuma is in my top...well top 25 at least. Maybe. There's a lot of Touhous these days so it's hard to be certain.
vote Bur
* The fishing for why people say Arian is town is ugly: when I said that I saw something from my role pm, he should've dropped it instead of asking Wheat the same question again. It's no good to out what now, while there is still possible scum to catch with this.
* The fence-sitty post #51 doesn't sit well with me.
Why not? I'm not going to live to LyLo anyways(I mean, I know I'm me and yadda yadda but estimated return on the role claiming early vs claiming late is really not that big). I did need to roleclaim at least the cult aspect early, but maybe someone who cares a little more about wagon analysis or something than I would have done different. I, for one, am going to enjoy my wild ride.
I semi-support the Bur wagon. I didn't like their page 2 posts, but then I got niggles of town on this page(which is why I'm voting killjoy).
Anyways, on day four you'll be thanking that I claimed early, trust me.
Why not? I'm not going to live to LyLo anyways(I mean, I know I'm me and yadda yadda but estimated return on the role claiming early vs claiming late is really not that big). I did need to roleclaim at least the cult aspect early, but maybe someone who cares a little more about wagon analysis or something than I would have done different. I, for one, am going to enjoy my wild ride.
I semi-support the Bur wagon. I didn't like their page 2 posts, but then I got niggles of town on this page(which is why I'm voting killjoy).
Anyways, on day four you'll be thanking that I claimed early, trust me.
I think it would have been a good idea to claim knowledge of the existence of the cult (probably without even claiming how you knew that, so you could maybe bait a convert-shot), but claiming the innocent child ability seems like a horrendous misplay. IC status should be held off as long as possible, so it can be used to divert a lynch or win a LyLo situation.
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There is no reason not to test his claim, and there is also no reason to wait for everyone to check in and "get a feel for each other" because the votecount just resets like he says, or we lynch a gambiting scum and that's as good as you can hope for Day 1.
I am here, btw... but I don't feel it's umm appropriate for me to really be posting at this time. Though I don't see another option other than doing this:
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How about you tell us what YOU think about Arian now as opposed to just asking how others are reaching their conclusion. Also, why did you feel the need to answer Karn's question to hooker for him?
Initially Arian's whole claim seemed bit weird (no name, weird flavour), but the 1st one was confirmed to be mod's mistake. At this stage, I don't have a strong opinion about her, and since I don't know her, I can't say much about her actions.
However, claiming Miller in 1st post is something I too would've done were I to be in her situation, so I'll give her a pass for it, for now.
Regarding answering Karn: To me, the way HP claimed made it like there was a string attached to the "Innocent Child" -part, which I thought would be pretty straightforward.
The only reason we are holding off lynching HP is we want others to check in and get a feel for everyone? Sounds like a plan. The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum.
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With everyone that needed a good clawing clawed, TMCT meows at HP again and ambles back to his corner.*
Either she's telling the truth, in which case we waste a little time, but oh well (better now than later), or she's lying in which case we lynch scum at the cost of I guess some discussion today.
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My one worry about running me up today is that surely Annorax wouldnt put in a role as asinine as mine without some downside to wasting time running me up.
I'm really not liking this - it's like you're attempting to backtrack on what appears to be a gambit.
That post from Black Vise - making a show of RVS ending without being able to participate. Expressing doubt about HP's claim but voting elsewhere despite it being testable. Saying there's more that needs to be looked at regarding HP's claim but doesn't ask any questions concerning it (and what else would need to be looked into that voting wouldn't accomplish?). Calling LnGr's vote cryptic and voting him rather than asking him what he meant. Overall, that post feels like a show.
People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
I have mild scumreads on Bur and Rai, but most concerning to me is this trifecta of scumminess:
My one worry about running me up today is that surely Annorax wouldnt put in a role as asinine as mine without some downside to wasting time running me up.
I'm really not liking this - it's like you're attempting to backtrack on what appears to be a gambit.
A really bad smear. Seriously, Hooker's almost certainly what she says she is. This comment is nothing but mudflinging. I'm even discounting the possibility that HP *is* the Borg/cult leader because an innocent child confirmation from the Mod on a player who's really a cult leader falls squarely in the realm of blatant mod bastardy.
I can't explain why, but I feel like I will die soon.
I don't know whether you're talking hunch or because of some game mechanic, but that's way too cryptic for my liking.
I'm not ready to vote for HP as her claim needs looking at further, but I'm going to go ahead and vote LnGrrrR.
Again, that statement by LnGrrrR isn't likely to be forgotten, and it'd certainly stand out in a reread, so by making it, LnGrrrR is committing to an explanation somewhere down the road. But scum, by nature, being in the informed minority, automatically distrust what they don't understand. This also smacks of scum latching on to minutiae; not to start a wagon, but to fish by pressure.
Unvote, Vote BlackVise
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That post from Black Vise - making a show of RVS ending without being able to participate. Expressing doubt about HP's claim but voting elsewhere despite it being testable. Saying there's more that needs to be looked at regarding HP's claim but doesn't ask any questions concerning it (and what else would need to be looked into that voting wouldn't accomplish?). Calling LnGr's vote cryptic and voting him rather than asking him what he meant. Overall, that post feels like a show.
I also don't see that as a likely scum LnGr post.
How often do you feel the bolded part is actually a scumtell?
I'm fine with just deciding Arian's alignment with behavior. I've never been in a game with a Miller, but arian is historically very easy to read, so I think wasting a vig shot on him would be a.. waste. I discourage vigz from shooting him.
Like DCIII and Arian pointed out, Blackvise's post is bad, and I'll be voting him after we resolve the Hooker situation.
I like Tanarin so far. Also Wheat.
Not loving LnGrrrR.
Wildfire looks scum, but he always does early game.
Cythare is pretty much completely mirroring my thoughts so he's probably town.
Unvote, Vote: HookerPunch, though for all intents and purposes my vote is still on Rai.
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People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
Initially Arian's whole claim seemed bit weird (no name, weird flavour), but the 1st one was confirmed to be mod's mistake. At this stage, I don't have a strong opinion about her, and since I don't know her, I can't say much about her actions.
However, claiming Miller in 1st post is something I too would've done were I to be in her situation, so I'll give her a pass for it, for now.
Regarding answering Karn: To me, the way HP claimed made it like there was a string attached to the "Innocent Child" -part, which I thought would be pretty straightforward.
What needs to happen for you to be confirmed?
Either way, we're all gonna burn
And I assume the first time doesn't kill you?
Wait, isn't that how *anyone* gets confirmed?
Or are you saying that the mod will come in and claim you're town, and give us a chance to reverse the lynch?
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Either way, we're all gonna burn
Who? Me or Wildfire?
(Aka. Do we lose a lynch or do we get another one?)
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Care to explain that vote, HP?
This sounds like the best course of action at this point.
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I dunno how we can salvage any analysis from it at this point, but I guess I can hold off on the vote until everyone checks in.
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Either way, we're all gonna burn
Vote: HP
No reason not to test this now that it's out there.
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I think under the circumstance, not only scum would want a quick lynch.
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You brutally misplayed it.
Unvote, Vote: Rai Kerensky
Even though Koakuma is in my top...well top 25 at least. Maybe. There's a lot of Touhous these days so it's hard to be certain.
It was a serious vote.
* The fishing for why people say Arian is town is ugly: when I said that I saw something from my role pm, he should've dropped it instead of asking Wheat the same question again. It's no good to out what now, while there is still possible scum to catch with this.
* The fence-sitty post #51 doesn't sit well with me.
HP: why not keep that role hidden until lylo?
I semi-support the Bur wagon. I didn't like their page 2 posts, but then I got niggles of town on this page(which is why I'm voting killjoy).
Anyways, on day four you'll be thanking that I claimed early, trust me.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Lol.
Or are we going to say I'm a jester too?
Either way, we're all gonna burn
I think it would have been a good idea to claim knowledge of the existence of the cult (probably without even claiming how you knew that, so you could maybe bait a convert-shot), but claiming the innocent child ability seems like a horrendous misplay. IC status should be held off as long as possible, so it can be used to divert a lynch or win a LyLo situation.
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Please explain why that cryptic statement is scummy, kthxbai.
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There is no reason not to test his claim, and there is also no reason to wait for everyone to check in and "get a feel for each other" because the votecount just resets like he says, or we lynch a gambiting scum and that's as good as you can hope for Day 1.
I am here, btw... but I don't feel it's umm appropriate for me to really be posting at this time. Though I don't see another option other than doing this:
@QMOD: Are you not receiving my PMs? -Because if you are, I really need a response of some kind, even if it's just to say you are deliberately not responding to me. And if you aren't, then we obviously need to get that fixed somehow.
Let's see if I can go 2/2.
I know this has already been touched on, but this reeks.
You had the perfect role for the dithering game.
This post is a giant
Dislike. This also reeks.
Explain? What needs looking at further?
I'm in this boat as well.
I'm up for testing Vote: Hookerpunch, given that there's little to salvage otherwise.
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Vote HP
Either she's telling the truth, in which case we waste a little time, but oh well (better now than later), or she's lying in which case we lynch scum at the cost of I guess some discussion today.
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I strongly dislike this post and am intending on voting Blackvise after HP's claim is sorted.
Vote: Hookerpunch
That post from Black Vise - making a show of RVS ending without being able to participate. Expressing doubt about HP's claim but voting elsewhere despite it being testable. Saying there's more that needs to be looked at regarding HP's claim but doesn't ask any questions concerning it (and what else would need to be looked into that voting wouldn't accomplish?). Calling LnGr's vote cryptic and voting him rather than asking him what he meant. Overall, that post feels like a show.
I also don't see that as a likely scum LnGr post.
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People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
I have mild scumreads on Bur and Rai, but most concerning to me is this trifecta of scumminess:
Silver rage (lamenting the opportunity to do something that could appear townie), and...
A really bad smear. Seriously, Hooker's almost certainly what she says she is. This comment is nothing but mudflinging. I'm even discounting the possibility that HP *is* the Borg/cult leader because an innocent child confirmation from the Mod on a player who's really a cult leader falls squarely in the realm of blatant mod bastardy.
Again, that statement by LnGrrrR isn't likely to be forgotten, and it'd certainly stand out in a reread, so by making it, LnGrrrR is committing to an explanation somewhere down the road. But scum, by nature, being in the informed minority, automatically distrust what they don't understand. This also smacks of scum latching on to minutiae; not to start a wagon, but to fish by pressure.
Unvote, Vote BlackVise
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I'm fine with just deciding Arian's alignment with behavior. I've never been in a game with a Miller, but arian is historically very easy to read, so I think wasting a vig shot on him would be a.. waste. I discourage vigz from shooting him.
Like DCIII and Arian pointed out, Blackvise's post is bad, and I'll be voting him after we resolve the Hooker situation.
I like Tanarin so far. Also Wheat.
Not loving LnGrrrR.
Wildfire looks scum, but he always does early game.
Unvote, Vote: HookerPunch, though for all intents and purposes my vote is still on Rai.
Explain further please.
I'm not sure why you're hedging here.
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