I am curious about the list myself, but along with the read reasons I would like to see what your thoughts of the Rhand wagon are. Why so bad in your opinion? I'm not claiming its great mind you, mainly curious.
Rhand is unaligned with Niv by some of Niv's fist posts. Did no one seriously notice that?
He wasn't trying to solve the game at all. I've played with town!hans a lot, and I've never seen him do that. Add in that Voxx should be able to see SNL's towniness if I saw it from my skimming before replacing in and his waffling on the wagon because of the people already on it, and we ourselves a scum.
I've never seen Hans try to solve a game. He's usually too busy falseclaiming.
Wheat: So town hans has two modes: The "I am God's gift to mafia" mode, where he runs and talks about crazy gambits that he thinks will solve the game and the apathetic mode, where he admits to being apathetic and pops in every so often to defend a town read. Here, he did neither.
That's not what Shock was doing. He was trying to get suspicion off Cyan, not himself.
wait, what pressure on Cyan? what is this? I don't even? this is so wrong, the only motive behind this post is either misrepresentation, or misrepresentation with intent to slander.
then your responce. you "serious vote" Cyan. for what? not having fun? wtf. did you actually intend that to put suspicion on him? how is that a tell? how is that anything? you're seriously telling me that was a serious vote on Cyan all for his post containing the exact phrase "...Have we met?"
so, yah, care to explain your actual thought process behind this vote, the initial one on Cyan? how does "...Have we met?" translate to "Hi, I'm Cyan, and I'm scum"? seriously, what is everyone else missing?
that, and how the heck was shock's post still trying to deflect off of Cyan? You know what, I do see what you're saying here, about the "having fun" comment, but you know, what. your vote was still awful, and had I picked up on it while reading page one, instead of page two, I'd probably have questioned you on it a lot earlier in this post. really I didn't even think, even with the serious disclaimer, that it was serious. like, at all.
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I've asked alot of questions in this post however if Rhand does feel that his first vote on Cyan is serious. I'll gladly call it garbage, unfounded, and UnVote, Vote Rhand.
While Rhand's initial vote on cyan was flimsier than 1 ply industrial toilet paper, I see where the "defense of cyan from shockwave" was. it was also flimsier than 1 ply industrial toilet paper, but it did happen. and you asked Rhand that question, and he responded in the post immediately prior to you.
Rhand's still gonna keep my vote, but your extreme lack of reading the thread is pretty awful too. like, really awful.
The attacks on Rhand continue for the rest of the Day.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
Eh. Have trouble seeing Killjoy as scum after the 'Why do you think Seppel is town?' thing, when...Seppel was shot N1. It's at least possible that it was faked, but I don't think I've ever seen that actually be the case.
@Fulcrum
Bzzt.
Hans was apathetic town this game, to the point that he just replaced out. Your slot was also very far from obvious town, but I oddly kind of think this might be Town!You. Hm. Have trouble seeing you come in with guns blazing against me when you had a wagon on your slot already, and two teammates dead.
Muh.
Unvote; Vote: Cantripmancer
Read on Karn is souring a little bit, too.
That was pretty opportunistic, even if my gut check reaction was to agree.
There's also Niv constantly tacking him on to his suspicion lists in a way that felt like 'Maybe I shouldn't list all town'.
But. Cantrip is where I want to look.
His 'yup, I'm okay with this wagon, look at me approving of the scum lynch' comment, paired with utterly failing to leave an impression on me this game when I have a huge cluster of town reads is a thing, and I think I want him dead.
That's fair, I'll look back for it later. I was mostly wondering how you were reconciling the Niv interactions with it, and must have missed your previous case.
His case is that my attack on Karn was bad and that I did it because it seemed like I was losing Karn in my camp.
He understood why I did make the bad attack (because of a language thing), but somehow still keeps his vote on me.
I guess it's the timing of the attack that keeps bothering him.
Anyways, it's a bad case. I thought I saw a scumtell, jumped on it, got proven wrong and backed off again.
In other news: I would like to see Fulcrum's claim.
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
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Vote Cyan
Hi.
Hey, step off my sweet Antny vote.
You're over explained fifth on the wagon Antny vote? I don't think so.
My scum reads defending me is a thing. Paranoia says placating me, next level of paranoia says Voxx would know not to do that, etc.
Rhand: There's no way in hell I'm claiming. Go hunt some actual scum.
Rhand isn't scum. Niv's post on the bottom of page 2 does not read at all like bussing.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
On the other hand I get the feeling that Niv's interactions might yield something more. Let's start from the same post.
POST 50: I really don't like the way he asks the question to Shock but I'm feeling good about Shock being town so I'm ignoring it. His reaction to SNL sorta is weird; he calls him out on something but then compliments on the back half. No info on Hans. Chainsaw defender on Cyan.
POST 59: Calls out hawk, nothing really one way or another there.
POST 85: Rhand and SNL get lumped together and so SNL is probably not scum.
POST 106: Ignoring Cantrip's posts. Turns fully against shockwave so he's town. Calls hawk town, so that's something to look into maybe. TK is also called out somewhere in here or the one before it so that strengthens that read.
POST 176: Sorta weird to Generic in general; it's unlike how he speaks with others.
POST 190: Digs into Karn, if I ever needed more evidence Karn was town.
POST 220: Now hawk is back to being bad in Niv's books.
That's it.
Recap: Town from this are Rhand, SNL(fulcrum), Shockwave, TK, Karn. Scummier: Cyan, hawk, Generic.
I don't feel good about the latter two of those so I'm sticking with Cyan.
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
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Vote Cyan
Hi.
Hey, step off my sweet Antny vote.
You're over explained fifth on the wagon Antny vote? I don't think so.
My scum reads defending me is a thing. Paranoia says placating me, next level of paranoia says Voxx would know not to do that, etc.
Rhand: There's no way in hell I'm claiming. Go hunt some actual scum.
Providing a 2 line explanation is not over explaining. Nor is it under-explaining in this case. It was a good amount of explanation for a 5th vote on someone in a relatively large game.
And if you honestly think that every time someone defends you it means they're scum, you're in for a short and bitter mafia career. Townies defend each other all of the time, for literally every reason imaginable. Everyone thinks that scum are just so quick to jump in and defend a townie. They're not, because it limits their lynch options, and it takes a huge amount of effort as scum to 'go back' on a town read later. Credibility is a scum's #1 weapon. Townies don't think about these things, they just say what they think, because they know their feelings are insincere(even when they are wrong). And Voxx definitely seems like his normal town-self this game.
I'm sad that Karn is not getting more attention. His vote on fulcrum was miserable, and his 'bad' response to me was even worse. It's time for me to look at his behavior from yesterday and see what I can find to make the rest of you realize that he is scum. Or maybe to make myself realize that he's not(really it's probably not this one).
Oh yeah, I forgot to put Cantrip on the "scummier" list, but Niv treated him differently than others as well by saying he was ignoring cantrip's posts.
Top noth scum hunting wheat. From a person who has shared more scum teams with me I think than anyone else on my he you are resorting to how niv reacted to me once to decide if I'm scum or not?
OMGUS much?
Yes, I believe Rhand is town from Niv's interactions.
And no, I'm not relying on Niv reactions to you to determine your alignment. I take it as grounds to watch you more closely, but not to call you scum. I see two rationales behind Niv's behavior towards you, and one of them does not mean you are his buddy.
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
Unvote
Vote Cyan
Hi.
Hey, step off my sweet Antny vote.
You're over explained fifth on the wagon Antny vote? I don't think so.
My scum reads defending me is a thing. Paranoia says placating me, next level of paranoia says Voxx would know not to do that, etc.
Rhand: There's no way in hell I'm claiming. Go hunt some actual scum.
Providing a 2 line explanation is not over explaining. Nor is it under-explaining in this case. It was a good amount of explanation for a 5th vote on someone in a relatively large game.
And if you honestly think that every time someone defends you it means they're scum, you're in for a short and bitter mafia career. Townies defend each other all of the time, for literally every reason imaginable. Everyone thinks that scum are just so quick to jump in and defend a townie. They're not, because it limits their lynch options, and it takes a huge amount of effort as scum to 'go back' on a town read later. Credibility is a scum's #1 weapon. Townies don't think about these things, they just say what they think, because they know their feelings are insincere(even when they are wrong). And Voxx definitely seems like his normal town-self this game.
I'm sad that Karn is not getting more attention. His vote on fulcrum was miserable, and his 'bad' response to me was even worse. It's time for me to look at his behavior from yesterday and see what I can find to make the rest of you realize that he is scum. Or maybe to make myself realize that he's not(really it's probably not this one).
"That kind of error is a huge scum red flag." - Says nothing, yet makes your post look more contenty.
Where did I say Wheat and Voxx defending me makes them scum?
Why do you think I replaced in? The largest wagon was on one of my townreads. Even if I was wrong and he turned out to be scum, it looked fun to fight it out.
Sometimes, a person is just so obviously town to me, based on..having ever played more than one game of mafia before..that it's hard for me to quantify WHY that person is town. Shock also clearly falls under the 'TDTBS'(Too Dumb To Be Scum) category of mafia players. His posts have been so abysmal that, if he were scum, he presumably would have told us this straight out by now.
There is also too much clearly honest mindset/awareness to his posts for him to be scum. There are like..no leaks(I guess that is the word I'm looking for) that show inconsistencies in his mindset. Is Shockwave a bad player? Apparently. But he's a bad town one.
I like the current push on Sir Karn, and I really should get around to making a real case on Killjoy.
Push on Karn? You mean like 4 people calling him town and then Rhand voting him for weak reasons and getting voted for himself for it? Not sure how that constitutes a push on Karn, but I wouldn't mind hearing what you don't like about Karn and what you like about the "push."
Alright, so humor me then on Shock. If his posts are so abysmal and so obviously town, it should be easy to quote some stuff that looks like it can't come from scum and you should also be able to easily refute the points Karn and I have made for Shock being scum, so do that please. And look at Niv/Antny's posts for yourself and let us know what their Shock interactions say in regards to his alignment.
Why do you think I replaced in? The largest wagon was on one of my townreads. Even if I was wrong and he turned out to be scum, it looked fun to fight it out.
That... Doesn't sound sincere. You seriously wouldn't have replaced in if it was someone else's slot?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Aren't most of the scumreads on Hans usually based on less than 6 posts
just sayin'
I didn't, actually. Elaborate on it, please?
I've never seen Hans try to solve a game. He's usually too busy falseclaiming.
Re Rhand unalignment:
a
The attacks on Rhand continue for the rest of the Day.
Oh god. This post is gross.
What in the hell? Voxx wasn't even in the game at 176. He joined at 344.
You can go now.
Unvote.
Vote: Fulcrum
Wat.
Someone asked why I think Karn is scum. Posts like this are why. Unvote, Vote Karn
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Bad.
But I do agree with Karn about the 'obvtown slot' comment... But then fulcrum says she was joking. Hm
Hey killjoy, what do you think of this?
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Vote Cyan
Hi.
Hey, step off my sweet Antny vote.
Eh. Have trouble seeing Killjoy as scum after the 'Why do you think Seppel is town?' thing, when...Seppel was shot N1. It's at least possible that it was faked, but I don't think I've ever seen that actually be the case.
@Fulcrum
Bzzt.
Hans was apathetic town this game, to the point that he just replaced out. Your slot was also very far from obvious town, but I oddly kind of think this might be Town!You. Hm. Have trouble seeing you come in with guns blazing against me when you had a wagon on your slot already, and two teammates dead.
Muh.
Unvote; Vote: Cantripmancer
Read on Karn is souring a little bit, too.
That was pretty opportunistic, even if my gut check reaction was to agree.
There's also Niv constantly tacking him on to his suspicion lists in a way that felt like 'Maybe I shouldn't list all town'.
But. Cantrip is where I want to look.
His 'yup, I'm okay with this wagon, look at me approving of the scum lynch' comment, paired with utterly failing to leave an impression on me this game when I have a huge cluster of town reads is a thing, and I think I want him dead.
Your vote is still on Rhand, right?
Do you still believe in and want that lynch?
If so, can you restate your case, and analyze the Niv interactions he had?
I don't have a clear read on Rhand, and that'd help, if you believe in it strongly.
(Also don't have a strong read on you, so it's kind of a thing I want to see you justify)
He understood why I did make the bad attack (because of a language thing), but somehow still keeps his vote on me.
I guess it's the timing of the attack that keeps bothering him.
Anyways, it's a bad case. I thought I saw a scumtell, jumped on it, got proven wrong and backed off again.
In other news: I would like to see Fulcrum's claim.
You're over explained fifth on the wagon Antny vote? I don't think so.
My scum reads defending me is a thing. Paranoia says placating me, next level of paranoia says Voxx would know not to do that, etc.
Rhand: There's no way in hell I'm claiming. Go hunt some actual scum.
Rhand isn't scum. Niv's post on the bottom of page 2 does not read at all like bussing.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
On the other hand I get the feeling that Niv's interactions might yield something more. Let's start from the same post.
POST 50: I really don't like the way he asks the question to Shock but I'm feeling good about Shock being town so I'm ignoring it. His reaction to SNL sorta is weird; he calls him out on something but then compliments on the back half. No info on Hans. Chainsaw defender on Cyan.
POST 59: Calls out hawk, nothing really one way or another there.
POST 85: Rhand and SNL get lumped together and so SNL is probably not scum.
POST 106: Ignoring Cantrip's posts. Turns fully against shockwave so he's town. Calls hawk town, so that's something to look into maybe. TK is also called out somewhere in here or the one before it so that strengthens that read.
POST 176: Sorta weird to Generic in general; it's unlike how he speaks with others.
POST 190: Digs into Karn, if I ever needed more evidence Karn was town.
POST 220: Now hawk is back to being bad in Niv's books.
That's it.
Recap: Town from this are Rhand, SNL(fulcrum), Shockwave, TK, Karn. Scummier: Cyan, hawk, Generic.
I don't feel good about the latter two of those so I'm sticking with Cyan.
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Providing a 2 line explanation is not over explaining. Nor is it under-explaining in this case. It was a good amount of explanation for a 5th vote on someone in a relatively large game.
And if you honestly think that every time someone defends you it means they're scum, you're in for a short and bitter mafia career. Townies defend each other all of the time, for literally every reason imaginable. Everyone thinks that scum are just so quick to jump in and defend a townie. They're not, because it limits their lynch options, and it takes a huge amount of effort as scum to 'go back' on a town read later. Credibility is a scum's #1 weapon. Townies don't think about these things, they just say what they think, because they know their feelings are insincere(even when they are wrong). And Voxx definitely seems like his normal town-self this game.
I'm sad that Karn is not getting more attention. His vote on fulcrum was miserable, and his 'bad' response to me was even worse. It's time for me to look at his behavior from yesterday and see what I can find to make the rest of you realize that he is scum. Or maybe to make myself realize that he's not(really it's probably not this one).
Yes, I believe Rhand is town from Niv's interactions.
And no, I'm not relying on Niv reactions to you to determine your alignment. I take it as grounds to watch you more closely, but not to call you scum. I see two rationales behind Niv's behavior towards you, and one of them does not mean you are his buddy.
"That kind of error is a huge scum red flag." - Says nothing, yet makes your post look more contenty.
Where did I say Wheat and Voxx defending me makes them scum?
And I assumed that your 'my scumreads defending me blahblah' line was referring to Voxx, because like..who else could it be referring to.
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Stop twisting my words. You overexplained by including unnecessary language that actually says nothing.
Yes. I was kind of following along. (Hence the strong town reads on SNL and Rhand. It's also in the third post.)
Is there a recent vote count that I'm missing? If not, I want one.
A strong town read on yourself?
@hawk
That... Doesn't sound sincere. You seriously wouldn't have replaced in if it was someone else's slot?
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But still... I can't get over SNL's play.
It's the type of play that I can at least see from confident scum replacing in, but have a lot of trouble seeing it with two dead buddies.
I'd expect, oh, more conservative play and let us drift around aimlessly, content with multiple early dead scum.
Speaking of which.
Cantripmancer.
I want to lynch him.
Hunger is looking Townie.
I'll answer questions to me as soon as I have the time.
Cantripmancer (2): Voxxicus, 7hawk77
Sir Karn (1): Cyan
fulcrum (4): Shockwave07, Generic, Rhand, Sir Karn
Shockwave07: Hunger
Cyan (3): Killjoy, fulcrum, Wheat_Grinder
Note voting (2): Cantripmancer, TK-421
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to burn.
Cantripmancer has been prodded.
Shockwave07 has been prodded.