I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Carp. I was unexpectedly in a location with no internet all weekend and neglected to submit my night action. I haven't even had a chance to review. Sorry.
Also, regarding "murder": I don't think it necessarily was indicative of scum. Hence why I didn't vote you for it. I think it's something that *could* be seen to be indicative of scum, though, which is why Daegen and Cantrip are on you. Seems you're a mite touchy over it, though. I'm curious as to why my considering of it is more worthy of your attention than the two people actually voting you over it though.
If Wildfire is scum, he's plainly stating that he knows Daegen and Cantrip were pursuing you exactly because the whole "murder" thing could be seen to be indicative of scum, therefore not fabricating their reads. In other words, he's admitting that Daegen and Cantrip were legitimely believing you could be scum.
Of course, if he's town then this whole point is moot.
Now, please enlighten me as to:
1) How the fact that I failed to correlate your question to my statement denotes a scum mindset (especially considering that the main reason behind my vote was the vibe of his response entirely, not the "unaligned pairing" specifically), and:
2) Occam. Looking in retrospect, I was the second vote on Wildfire. My vote came in when he had virtually zero pressure on bar yours, and your case could simply fail to get steam rolling since we were completely scattered over a plethora of scum suspects. You can go ahead and concote a wild theory about how I "panicked and attempted to cash in towncred", but apply Occam to it comparing to what really happened and you'll see how fast it crumbles.
Anyone doubting that Kosa is scum needs to read this post again.
It starts off with a doubtcast of me, by implying that I attack Kosa. This is untrue and an attempt to undermine my credibility.
Then there's the implication that Wildfire, if he's scum, is not scum with Dagean and Cantrip based on the sentence "I think it's something that *could* be seen to be indicative of scum, though, which is why Daegen and Cantrip are on you." I cannot see how Kosa would make that connection, as Wildfire just pointed out that Daegen and Cantrip voted for behavior that could be seen as scummy (which both town and scum attempt to do). This leads me to believe that Kosa either pulled this out of his ass or is particularly sensitive to unaligned pairs with Wildfire. Again, you'll notice that Kosa has not made any unaligned pairs arguments for anyone else in the game, even though there has been much stronger evidence.
Then his point number 1 deliberately misinterprets the meaning of my earlier attack, as I never had a problem with him correlating my question to the earlier statement and point number 2 ignores the fact that bussing is a thing that exists.
You'll notice that after this post, Kosa's town read of me never wavered. If he truly thought my case on him was terrible, why didn't he question my alignment a bit afterwards?
The Kosa lynch needs to happen at some point, but I'm fine with this wagon, as Punster has a greater than 1 in 3 chance of being his scummate anyway (see Kosa's T/s list).
Now it looks like Kosa was trying to clear Dagean by busing Wildfire.
I'm kinda confused. Where is this lynching Kosa talk coming from? I was under the impression you all were convinced I was the final scum. You know what this looks like to me, right?
Fulcrum I've already said I'm fine being the first to go if we want to POE lynch. Just know that the game won't end with it, so pay attention to what everyone says.
Looking over Dagaen's posts I noticed two things. 1) He kept bringing up a Generic-Cantrip-Karn triangle and insisting there was one scum in it. 2) He put B_E and Wildfire in his "want to lynch list." Do you really think he'd bus both his teammates?
How about this Scarbo, because you claim to be town and I want to see that.
Run through a brutally honest read on me, seppel, Irebel and kosa. No jumping in and rubbishig you over your comments about me so if you genuinely have a case to offer for why I'm scum I want to see it. But I want your read and why.
If it's a waste of a post to state I'm not afraid of being lynched, why do you feel the need to smear me?
And what in the world makes you think I even have a scum read on you?
I pretty much insist you take me out first. I can see how this is going to go.
Kosa flips town.
Seppel/Generic are like, SEE it's swishh.
I'm all like...nope it's still Seppel.
I flip town.
Then Seppel's like WOW it was Generic after all!
Then Generic implodes and pseudo-slips and town loses.
OK. WHY SEPPEL IS SCUM:
He was a little bussy with Wildfire at the beginning of Night 1, but as soon as he had the chance, he goes for Paper. Lots of premature, unexplained reads. Very little interaction with Dagaen.
Post 360 (ironic) - Wildfire, Karn, and Paper are in the scum pile. OK to lynch Dagaen, even though I think the only post he made in reference to him was "I love you so much right now." Doesn't want to lynch fulcrum or B_E, even though in 397 he uses town interest in lynching B_E to put his vote there. Now he thinks he's secured a mislynch, so he wants to stick with it.
Something weird about 521: He says he'd vote fulcrum or Paper before B_E, which isn't true since he's voted for both Paper and B_E but not for fulcrum, and even had fulcrum in his don't-want-to-lynch pile.
653: False dichotomy (fulcrum is scum OR scum tried to kill Wildfire, i.e. Wildfire is town)
735: First indication of suspicion on B_E along with vote.
Basically Seppel has been opportunistic by crowdsourcing his scum reads and coming into last Night with the Wildfire-claims-BP strategy, which was smart to draw out Antny.
Fulcrum's incapacity of dropping circular logic/apply Occam is jaw-dropping. If she's town, that is.
I'd lynch Seppel before anything regardless. Useless, calculated posts and pulling (also useless) lists is fishy enough. Whenever I'm not utterly tired about how much of a chore this game has become, I'll reread it ISOing Seppel.
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Fulcrum's incapacity of dropping circular logic/apply Occam is jaw-dropping. If she's town, that is.
I'd lynch Seppel before anything regardless. Useless, calculated posts and pulling (also useless) lists is fishy enough. Whenever I'm not utterly tired about how much of a chore this game has become, I'll reread it ISOing Seppel.
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One of two scenarios happened N1: Antny protected me and either (a) I was the NK target or (b) scum also targeted Sir Karn. So the question is, why Sir Karn or I? The only scenario I can come up with is that either Sir Karn or I were pretty damn accurate with our reads D1 and scum wanted to the one of us closest to die. For reference, here's both of our T/S lists from Day 1, courtesy of Generic:
I'D RATHER NOT LYNCH
Antny, Cantrip, Paper, iRebel
I'M OK WITH LYNCHING
Dagaen, Wildfire
I WANT TO LYNCH
Seppel, Generic, Burning Earth
And here is sir Karn's.
Both Karn and I were okay with lynching Wildfire (scum #1). Karn had Dagaen (#2) in his okay to lynch pile. Both Karn and I have Seppel and BE in our want to/okay with lynch pile. BE's play D1 was awful, and I mean A-W-F-U-L. He was the antithesis of his town meta in this game and that raises a lot of red flags. This is only the second game I've played with Seppel, so whilst I cannot read him, he's pinged my scumdar enough to warrant my suspicion.
Where I'm going with all of this is that, barring some other explanation as to why either SK or I were the NK target, I believe we should look at the overlaps between Karn and I re: suspects, and go from there. That means Seppel and Scarbo. We lynch one toDay and if we don't win we lynch the other tomorrow. If by some stroke of genius neither Seppel or Scarbo are scum, then we have a very interesting MyLo to look forward to.
I'd prefer to lynch Scarbo toDay as both Karn and I listed him in our "want to lynch" category, but I'm not completely married to it. As for the Kosa lynch I'm not opposed, but he's my third choice.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
[quote from="Kosakosa »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/558732-87-night-mafia-night-3-vlad-the-impaled?comment=965"]What makes you doubt fulcrum is town?
My town condition of not knowing who's town and who isn't
I really thought scarbo was a better player than this.
I opened the game with finding scum in Wildfire immediately and got him run up. He also dodged my questioning so much.
I could've hammered Cantrip at some point, I think around the time he claimed.
Wildfire's claim threw me off, and people came to his defense, and so I was generally frustrated with the game and wanted people to just freaking come to a lynch.
Karn was acting just like he did in SEM2 and I still have no idea how he's town in this game.
Dagaen was a total lurker; claiming I have little interaction with him is hypocritical when Scarbo has none. Is that interaction even analyzes? Nope.
And then Wildfire's ending throes where he accidentally confirms both Generic and I.
You didn't get Wildfire run up. You hopped off his wagon as soon as it died down. If you were really interested in lynching him, why did you literally put your vote on B_E (because everyone else was OK with it) who at the time you stated you had no interest in lynching?
And I'm not contesting my lynch. I just really hope people see what I'm seeing after I flip town.
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Vote: Scarbo
I think Generic's town. If it's not Seppel it's Kosa.
[quote from="Kosakosa »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/558732-87-night-mafia-night-3-vlad-the-impaled?comment=965"]What makes you doubt fulcrum is town?
My town condition of not knowing who's town and who isn't
I really thought scarbo was a better player than this.
You start off discrediting your attacker on a personal level rather than showing why he's wrong.
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I opened the game with finding scum in Wildfire immediately and got him run up. He also dodged my questioning so much.
IIRC, your pertinent points against Wildfire were "a non-RVS post in RVS" and "doing math". In fact, I think fulcrum was more instrumental in getting Wildfire run up. You were the first one voting Wildfire, but bailed to vote Punster, then came back to Wildfire when he had 3-4 votes on him. I don't see how you "got him run up". In fact, you towncleared him at one point.
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I could've hammered Cantrip at some point, I think around the time he claimed.
I'm pretty sure I never got beyond L-2; if I'm wrong, you need to point it out to me, because you're using this as a town-clearing point on yourself.
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And then Wildfire's ending throes where he accidentally confirms both Generic and I.
Show me where this happened. Be specific as to why it confirms you.
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I think this has been mentioned, but Kosa's 148 is bad logic. Not sure yet if it's scummy logic.
Right now I'm leaning more toward lynching Seppel than Scarbo.
You're thinking of fulcrum.
Scarbo, why Seppel?
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Vote: Kosakosa
I think you're the last scum. Thinking that I could be scum after yesterday means you're delusional.
Now it looks like Kosa was trying to clear Dagean by busing Wildfire.
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Vote: iRebel
I'm guessing you weren't anticipating a modkill on Dagaen, hence drawing out how long it took you to claim?
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Vote: Seppel
Real or faked?
These came before Wildfire was caught. I think it reads as Wildfire trying to avoid clearing iRebel.
No, paranoid Polly. I'm not making a push on you.
I'm not afraid of being lynched at all. How many times do I have to say that?
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If it's a waste of a post to state I'm not afraid of being lynched, why do you feel the need to smear me?
And what in the world makes you think I even have a scum read on you?
Kosa flips town.
Seppel/Generic are like, SEE it's swishh.
I'm all like...nope it's still Seppel.
I flip town.
Then Seppel's like WOW it was Generic after all!
Then Generic implodes and pseudo-slips and town loses.
OK. WHY SEPPEL IS SCUM:
He was a little bussy with Wildfire at the beginning of Night 1, but as soon as he had the chance, he goes for Paper. Lots of premature, unexplained reads. Very little interaction with Dagaen.
Post 360 (ironic) - Wildfire, Karn, and Paper are in the scum pile. OK to lynch Dagaen, even though I think the only post he made in reference to him was "I love you so much right now." Doesn't want to lynch fulcrum or B_E, even though in 397 he uses town interest in lynching B_E to put his vote there. Now he thinks he's secured a mislynch, so he wants to stick with it.
Something weird about 521: He says he'd vote fulcrum or Paper before B_E, which isn't true since he's voted for both Paper and B_E but not for fulcrum, and even had fulcrum in his don't-want-to-lynch pile.
653: False dichotomy (fulcrum is scum OR scum tried to kill Wildfire, i.e. Wildfire is town)
735: First indication of suspicion on B_E along with vote.
Basically Seppel has been opportunistic by crowdsourcing his scum reads and coming into last Night with the Wildfire-claims-BP strategy, which was smart to draw out Antny.
And you didn't notice it despite me yelling about for pages how?
Fulcrum's incapacity of dropping circular logic/apply Occam is jaw-dropping. If she's town, that is.
I'd lynch Seppel before anything regardless. Useless, calculated posts and pulling (also useless) lists is fishy enough. Whenever I'm not utterly tired about how much of a chore this game has become, I'll reread it ISOing Seppel.
And of course that a 600-post D1 in a Basic makes everything even more fun! FUN FUN FUN
"No. I didn't miss it."
"So what? What's so scummy about it?"
What makes you doubt fulcrum is town?
One of two scenarios happened N1: Antny protected me and either (a) I was the NK target or (b) scum also targeted Sir Karn. So the question is, why Sir Karn or I? The only scenario I can come up with is that either Sir Karn or I were pretty damn accurate with our reads D1 and scum wanted to the one of us closest to die. For reference, here's both of our T/S lists from Day 1, courtesy of Generic:
Both Karn and I were okay with lynching Wildfire (scum #1). Karn had Dagaen (#2) in his okay to lynch pile. Both Karn and I have Seppel and BE in our want to/okay with lynch pile. BE's play D1 was awful, and I mean A-W-F-U-L. He was the antithesis of his town meta in this game and that raises a lot of red flags. This is only the second game I've played with Seppel, so whilst I cannot read him, he's pinged my scumdar enough to warrant my suspicion.
Where I'm going with all of this is that, barring some other explanation as to why either SK or I were the NK target, I believe we should look at the overlaps between Karn and I re: suspects, and go from there. That means Seppel and Scarbo. We lynch one toDay and if we don't win we lynch the other tomorrow. If by some stroke of genius neither Seppel or Scarbo are scum, then we have a very interesting MyLo to look forward to.
I'd prefer to lynch Scarbo toDay as both Karn and I listed him in our "want to lynch" category, but I'm not completely married to it. As for the Kosa lynch I'm not opposed, but he's my third choice.
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Vote Count:
Scarbo (1) - Seppel
Kosakosa (2) - fulcrum, Generic
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I opened the game with finding scum in Wildfire immediately and got him run up. He also dodged my questioning so much.
I could've hammered Cantrip at some point, I think around the time he claimed.
Wildfire's claim threw me off, and people came to his defense, and so I was generally frustrated with the game and wanted people to just freaking come to a lynch.
Karn was acting just like he did in SEM2 and I still have no idea how he's town in this game.
Dagaen was a total lurker; claiming I have little interaction with him is hypocritical when Scarbo has none. Is that interaction even analyzes? Nope.
And then Wildfire's ending throes where he accidentally confirms both Generic and I.
I'm sorry you replaced into this Scarbo.
Please lynch Scarbo.
And I'm not contesting my lynch. I just really hope people see what I'm seeing after I flip town.
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Vote: Scarbo
I think Generic's town. If it's not Seppel it's Kosa.
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Isn't fulcrum the vig...?
Kosa's last post irks me.
You start off discrediting your attacker on a personal level rather than showing why he's wrong.
IIRC, your pertinent points against Wildfire were "a non-RVS post in RVS" and "doing math". In fact, I think fulcrum was more instrumental in getting Wildfire run up. You were the first one voting Wildfire, but bailed to vote Punster, then came back to Wildfire when he had 3-4 votes on him. I don't see how you "got him run up". In fact, you towncleared him at one point.
I'm pretty sure I never got beyond L-2; if I'm wrong, you need to point it out to me, because you're using this as a town-clearing point on yourself.
Show me where this happened. Be specific as to why it confirms you.
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I think this has been mentioned, but Kosa's 148 is bad logic. Not sure yet if it's scummy logic.
Right now I'm leaning more toward lynching Seppel than Scarbo.