MTG Salvation

"You got the Fierce Deity's Mask!
Could this mask's dark powers
be as bad as Majora?
Try it on with (C)."

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The Twenty-Fourth Vote Count (aka the "Time to Find Different Majora's Mask Quotes" Vote Count)
Accurate to post 2828... I hope.
2) The Most Curious Thing (wearing 7) Bunny Hood) (0) -
6) JeY k (wearing 22) Sun's Mask and 23) Moon's Mask) (0) -
7) LnGrrrR (replacing Asenion) (wearing 20) Circus Leader's Mask) (0) -
10) AtheistGod (wearing 24) Giant's Mask) (8) - Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, LnGrrrR, Generic, Generic, Arianrhod, The Most Curious Thing, Zinger2099
11) Zinger2099 (wearing 14) Postman's Hat) (0) -
12) little lizard (wearing 9) Kamaro Mask) (1) - JeY k
13) dkingsland967 (wearing 2) Goron Mask) (2) - little lizard, Arcadic
14) Arianrhod (wearing 21) Great Fairy's Mask) (0) -
15) Arcadic (wearing 3) Zora Mask) (1) - AtheistGod
16) Wheat_Grinder (replacing Digi) (wearing 10) Don Gero's Mask) (0) -
17) Seppel (wearing 1) Deku Mask) (0) -
18) Generic (wearing 6) Kafei's Mask) (0) -

Not Voting (2): JeY k, dkingsland967

With 14 votes in play it takes 8 votes to lynch.

AtheistGod is at L-0. Lynch count has NOT been reached.

Game Time: 2:30 A.M, First Day

There are 4 scum, Arcadic and Seppel are 2 of them.

Seppel's post about my playstyle between Giant Robots and this game was a misrepresentation, reread this game and go read Giant Robots if you want to check for yourself. Almost every quote he took was during the wagon against me in Giant Robots.

If you check my town games, every single one has a spike of posting frequency at some point. USUDM it was the endgame, Redux it was day 2-3 with Cyouni's lie about night actions, with Giant Robot, Steins;gate, and Katawa Shoujo it was me being run up.

After my reaction to Iso's modgaming in Steins;gate I told myself I'd always do this, even if there isn't an Iso modgaming this one: My double lynch from the Giant's Mask comes in the form of a mass roleblock. The mass roleblock blocks every single ability, including the mafia NK, evidenced by the order of operations in the first post. This means that my activation of it N3 would essentially be skipping N3 and giving the town day 3 and day 4 together. The primary differences being that I had to survive to N3, Zinger would get a mask investigation for day 4 (and any other day abilities could be used), and that there would be a pause in the game. This is why there would be no warning and why lynching me D3 stops it. This information wouldn't be revealed upon my death and I just want the town to have as much game information as possible.

Also, you finally have confirmation that my lynch threshold exists. You also have confirmation that my Mask draft priority exists from the flavor of the first mask draft. The only thing I've claimed that hasn't been confirmed is the mass roleblock, which would be pretty damn obvious once it does occur.

Hammer it up, jey.

I'm ready for a hammer.

EBWODP: If I die toNight, Arcadic and Proph are far and away the most likely scum.

Someone should review lizard in detail before proceeding on a lynch there.

I don't have a good lead on the fifth.

Chimes is the only game I have been scum.

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Also, don't think your own abilities were ever in dispute, the point was made that in theory a scum player who takes more votes to lynch balances the double voter.

The argument that I keep changing my story is hinged on the idea that I'm lying about my story. It's a worthless argument if you assume that my story is correct.

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Also, don't think your own abilities were ever in dispute, the point was made that in theory a scum player who takes more votes to lynch balances the double voter.

The same could be said though for a town player to balance out a double-voting scum player.

This seems like you're trying to twist facts to make AGod look scummier than he is.

That being said, I personally think you're scum Generic so...since you're voting him, AGod is likely town.

But I don't really care, so long as Majora dies and I get my masks.

@Generic, I wasn't even aware that Lizard had claimed flavour cop when you said that I was panicked about it, so.... lol I skim this thread. Guilty as charged. Nothing new though.

I thought what you had said was scummy regardless of the fact that you were suggesting a flavour cop check me.

Anyways, you don't have to worry your little scum behind because Tar just confirmed something awesome for me and I probably won't be using the postman's hat ability to investigate anyone tonight.

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@Arcadic : 1. Why do I need to explain this? I will answer, but I want to know why you want to know so badly, as well as why it maters. Here is your answer though: I target two players. The first player I target is given the CHOICE of trading masks with the second player. They don't have to say yes. Jey K can verify this. This is how my natural trade ability works. The Trade ability that I got from the Keaton mask is FORCED and offers no choice (which is the one I used to take the postman hat from you).

How is that not two non-mask actions? Or can you use the abilities you copy as mask actions?

unvote Vote Aethist God

"You saved the mayor from a
tedious meeting!
This was added to your notebook!"

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The Twenty-Fifth Vote Count (aka the "Legitimate Claim" Vote Count)
Accurate to post 2828... I hope.
2) The Most Curious Thing (wearing 7) Bunny Hood) (0) -
6) JeY k (wearing 22) Sun's Mask and 23) Moon's Mask) (0) -
7) LnGrrrR (replacing Asenion) (wearing 20) Circus Leader's Mask) (0) -
10) AtheistGod (wearing 24) Giant's Mask) (9) - Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, LnGrrrR, Generic, Generic, Arianrhod, The Most Curious Thing, Zinger2099, Arcadic
11) Zinger2099 (wearing 14) Postman's Hat) (0) -
12) little lizard (wearing 9) Kamaro Mask) (1) - JeY k
13) dkingsland967 (wearing 2) Goron Mask) (1) - little lizard
14) Arianrhod (wearing 21) Great Fairy's Mask) (0) -
15) Arcadic (wearing 3) Zora Mask) (1) - AtheistGod
16) Wheat_Grinder (replacing Digi) (wearing 10) Don Gero's Mask) (0) -
17) Seppel (wearing 1) Deku Mask) (0) -
18) Generic (wearing 6) Kafei's Mask) (0) -

Not Voting (2): JeY k, dkingsland967

With 14 votes in play it takes 8 votes to lynch.

AtheistGod is at L+1.

Game Time: 3:00 A.M, First Day

Lynch count has been reached. AtheistGod has been lynched. It is Twilight. The lynch scene will go up later tonight.

Quote from Generic

Well that's strange Zinger, cos tis exchange with arcadic suggests different...

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Arcadic is in favour of lynching the cop.

Show me where i desire the lynch of lizard since he's re-claimed? Learn to read, i know, i forgot, your alibi for not being a town-aligned neutral is that you are too lazy and forgetful to read. My bad.

I wasn't talking about lizard you numbskull. I was talking about me. From the moment I donned the postman's hat I became a true cop.

Also, why should I bother answering your serious questions if you're going to ask sarcastic ones the other half the time?

I get two abilities every night as does everyone in this game. A personal ability and a mask ability. Abilities that I copied off masks no longer count as mask abilities.

So reassess that no lies policy there before you worry about how best to misrep me.

That post you quoted is the moment I became aware that Lizard had claimed any kind of a cop. Prior to me making that post I had no inklings of such.

At least this long Day is over one way or another.

Who am I investigating?

You are investigating Zinger.

End of Day 3

The people of Clock Town were brave, child. They fought on even after their greatest hero had fallen, in situations where lesser people might have given up and lain down to die.

Or was it bravery? If they did not find the bad guys in time, they would die. So was their resolve bravery... or simple desperation?

Perhaps it was, in the end, the latter. Because after Cremia died, it seemed that the people of Clock Town lost all resolve. They waffled, they debated, they went back and forth.

Finally, after nine hours had passed, the survivors of Termina were beyond endurance. They just wanted this to stop. So, given how spectacularly the Mayor's plan had failed to work so far... well, maybe it was because he was a bad guy who set up the idea to use against everyone?

Well, that was the justification they gave to themselves. In reality, they were simply too tired to think and wanted something - anything - to give them an hour or two of respite. So they strung up Mayor Dotour in the middle of South Clock Town, in spite of their lingering respect for his authority.

But was he one of the "bad guys"? The survivors went to the Mayor's office to see if they could find any clues. And what they found was... a completely ordinary office. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Mayor Dotour had been one of the good guys after all.

This would be a long break. Would the people of Termina manage to find even one of these bad guys? And who wasn't going to come back this time?

10) AtheistGod, Mayor Dotour, Townie Mayor, was lynched Day 3

The Giant's Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.

Identity: Mayor Dotour
Alignment: Town
Classification: Mayor
Role Type: Increased Lynch Threshold
Alias: AtheistGod
True Mask: Giant's Mask

It is now Night 3. The deadline for submitting night actions is in 48 hours (October 15, 2013 at 6:00 P.M. GMT-6), after which the game will pause for ~24 hours (or until the Mod is able to get Internet, whichever comes first) so that the Mod can write flavor.

Beginning of Day 4

The people of Termina knew the drill by now. Eleven of them had left the town square a couple of hours ago. At least one of them wouldn't be coming back.

So it was no surprise when that weird fairy-loving man Tingle failed to show up when they reconvened.

A brief search found his body lying not too far from the Laundry Pool. His balloons were popped and his body scarred - almost as if it was scorched.

But was he a bad guy? The townspeople began to bicker about it as they packed up to check the Mayor's residence again...

*chime chime*

Wait, what was that? The townsfolk hadn't heard such a noise around anyone else...

Oh, come on you idiots. Look over here. See me, over here floating above the Laundry Pool? The fairy?

My name's Tatl. I've been hanging out with Tingle ever since I lost track of that green-suited boy Link. He's a good dude, and this talk of him being a "bad guy" is ridiculous.

I'd stay, but I think I'm more likely to find Tael on my own now. Bye!

The check of the Mayor's residence confirmed what the fairy said - Tingle, despite his eccentricities, was a valuable ally of Termina.

So if Tingle wasn't a bad guy... then who was?

The ten survivors of Clock Town had so many questions... and so little time to answer them.

This twisted game had to be resolved now, or not at all.

12) little lizard, Townie Fairy Friend, was terminated Night 3

Identity: Tingle
Alignment: Town
Classification: Fairy Friend
Role Type: Name and Flavor Cop
Alias: little lizard
True Mask: Great Fairy's Mask

The Deku Mask has been destroyed.
The Kamaro Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
The Postman's Hat has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
The Circus Leader's Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
The Great Fairy's Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.

It is now the Fourth Mask Draft. LnGrrrR, Zinger2099, Arianrhod, and Seppel are the players that will draft a mask during this mask draft. Arianrhod will be the first player to draft a mask this Draft. As it is now a Mask Draft, players may now post in the thread again.

Fourth Mask Draft

An error in moderation has been acknowledged. This error does not pose a danger to the game state.

Reminder: The game clock will resume after 48 hours spent in the Mask Draft. - Tar

Currently Drafting:
14) Arianrhod

Has Not Drafted:
7) Asenion LnGrrrR
11) Zinger2099
17) Seppel

Unworn Masks:
5) Bremen Mask
8) Mask of Scents
9) Kamaro Mask
14) Postman's Hat
15) Romani Mask
16) Mask of Truth
18) Gibdo Mask
19) Garo's Mask
20) Circus Leader's Mask
21) Great Fairy's Mask
24) Giant's Mask

It is now the Fourth Mask Draft.

When your turn to draft a mask comes up, please select an unworn mask using the format TAKE: MASKNAME then select the next player to draft using the format SELECT: PLAYERNAME. If for some reason you need to draft more than one mask then use TAKE: MASKNAME once for each mask you select.

Arianrhod will be the first player to draft a mask.

Ok, so obviously someone was afraid of Lizard investigating Majora. Good thing is though, scum wiped out one of the scummier players. I still think the pool is somewhere in Wheat, Arod and Arcadic, but there is likely one outside of it.

Before anyone mask drafts, I think that we should claim True Masks. I've already claimed, but mine is the Mask of Truth. If Arianrhod picks up that mask, I will assume he is scum and will vote with extreme hostility.

I would like to hear Zinger's results before anyone else as well.

Thanks Generic, but I think most of us figured that was the case anyways.

I was roleblocked last night. Not hushed, but actually told i was roleblocked.

I've already claimed Postman's hat is my true mask.

I'm eager to hear what proph's replacement has to say and gives us his reads. I still thing Proph is scum and his behavior all game was scummy.

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I was roleblocked last night. Not hushed, but actually told i was roleblocked.

I've already claimed Postman's hat is my true mask.

I'm eager to hear what proph's replacement has to say and gives us his reads. I still thing Proph is scum and his behavior all game was scummy.

I roleblocked you. Sorry for any inconvenience. (Also the husher is confirmed to not exist. Also even further proof by Generic's notification)

I also received word that the protection half of the Deku mask's ability failed, because the mask was destroyed before that portion resolved.

@Zinger: Please investigate the Captain's Hat's abilities.

@JeY: Do you still have a double-vote?

Seppel - Been the target of much mafia ire (Roleblock N2, Knock+Destroy N3)
LnGrrrR - Abilities confirmed in multiple ways
Arianrhod - Abilities confirmed in multiple ways
Generic - Abilities confirmed in multiple ways
The Most Curious Thing - Confirmed via ability.
JeY k - Kinda confirmed via ability?
Arcadic - Nearly Confirmed via ability
Zinger2099 - Neutral
dkingsland967 - Unconfirmed
Wheat_Grinder - Unconfirmed

DK or Wheat must be lynched today. There's just... no other way.

@Generic: We're in lylo because as soon as we lynch Majora, Zinger's out of the game. Therefore if we NL, we're guaranteed to lose.

Lots of masks knocked off...

Everything appears to check out as far as mask knockage. Please confirm!

(Scum ability #6) The Deku Mask has been destroyed.
(Scum nightkill) The Kamaro Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
(LnGrrrR?) The Postman's Hat has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
(Scum ability #1?) The Circus Leader's Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.
(Wheat?) The Great Fairy's Mask has been returned to the Unworn Mask Pool.

P.S.: I have no true mask. I'm pretty sure I said I did early on, to try to appear as a threat to the mafia, but I can't find it.

Like the only thing I have against lynching Wheat is that he was so helpful yesterday. But Digi was shady and Wheat did nearly nothing On D1 and D2.

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Seppel, your reads don't work out.

4 of the 10 are scum as proven by the kafei mask, but you have (including yourself) 5 confirmed town, 1 confirmed with a question mark, 1 almost confirmed and a neutral.

That leaves two people, which means already their are two in that 7 person town block, so are we assuming both wheat AND dking are scum? I thought it was one or the other up to now.

Massive busings. We pushed a billion people to L-1 yesterday. There's little more they can do.

If Wheat and DK aren't both scum, then I have no idea who actually is scum.

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Like the only thing I have against lynching Wheat is that he was so helpful yesterday.

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Proph played to his scum meta but also in the closing if his play before leaving the game became very helpful.

We've been had.

TAKE: Bremen Mask
SELECT: LnGrgrrgrgrgrrrgrgrrgrgrgrgrgrgrr

Drafting quick in the interests of moving this along. Thoughts on the Night phase and content post upon my return from a meeting at work.

@Jey: Did you shoot Lizard last night? This is super important to know.

OKAY the mask draft

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Currently Drafting:
14) Arianrhod

Has Not Drafted:
7) Asenion LnGrrrR
11) Zinger2099
17) Seppel

Unworn Masks:
5) Bremen Mask (???)
8) Mask of Scents (Tracker)
9) Kamaro Mask (No ability? I forgot)
14) Postman's Hat (Cop)
15) Romani Mask (No ability)
16) Mask of Truth (Watcher variant, get # of people who targeted)
18) Gibdo Mask (Super miller)
19) Garo's Mask (1-shot protection from lynch; doesn't end the day)
20) Circus Leader's Mask (Learn true mask of players)
21) Great Fairy's Mask (Four 1-shot usages, gives abilities to other players. I can choose which gift to give to whom, but once I give it out, it's gone permanently -- even if someone puts on the mask later.)
24) Giant's Mask (No ability)

Useful
Mask of Scents
Postman's Hat
Circus Leader

???
Bremen
Kamaro
Mask of Truth
Great Fairy

Useless
Romani (unless anyone still needs to verify that it has no ability)
Gibdo
Garo
Giant

I also notice that the JeY/Zinger trade didn't work out? And Zinger didn't force any trades. @Zinger: What gives?

@seppel, why captains mask. Mask of trtuh is known also, so why do you have it listed as ???

So, mafia night actions:

* Destroy Seppel's mask
* Roleblock Zinger
* Nightkill Lizard

@Zinger: Please investigate the Postman Hat

Quote from Zinger2099

@seppel, why captains mask. Mask of trtuh is known also, so why do you have it listed as ???

Verify Arcadic's true mask ability

And the ??? is its usefulness to draft.

@Seppel: The Great Fairy's Mask is basically useless now. It has 1 ability left to give, out of 4.

We'll find out what the Bremen does soon -- hopefully it's something useful. It is also, as I'd claimed earlier, my true mask.

@everyone, I used my knockoff ability on myself yesterday. I also can backup what Seppel said, as I checked his true mask and he has none. (What's weird is that it allowed me to investigate then knockoff. Could be a mod error, gotta check with Tar.)

Maskdraft: Mask of Truth

Let's see what I can do with my Kahoni Ride...

...the Mask of Truth is practically useless... didn't you mean the Mask of Scents? Also popcorn plz.

Blah. Reading is tech.

TAKE: MASK OF TRUTH
SELECT: ZINGER2099

oh right it's your true mask nvm, still popcorn to me

@Zinger: Tell me about the Postman's Hat true mask ability

...or not? :/

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...the Mask of Truth is practically useless... didn't you mean the Mask of Scents? Also popcorn plz.

The Mask of Truth is my True Mask. I want to see what it's true ability is. Maybe it sucks, maybe it rocks... Only one way to find out.

@Seppel, curious to see what Zinger takes. Once he does so, I want to know whether he has met his four mask requirement. Is there a specific mask you wanted?

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So, mafia night actions:

* Destroy Seppel's mask
* Roleblock Zinger
* Nightkill Lizard

@Zinger: Please investigate the Postman Hat

Okay. First thing's first.

I danced around this yesterDay, but I'm going to be upfront with it now since we're in LyLo. I gave Jey a Vig shot.

Looking at the flavor for Lizard's kill, I'm unconvinced that Lizard was the NK. Additionally, since Seppel's mask was destroyed, I'm thinking that Seppel was actually the target of the NK.

Don't forget that this ability (purportedly) exists:

3) Explosion shot (kills+destroys mask)

This could explain why Seppel's mask was destroyed last night -- from what I remember, Seppel's mask wasn't particularly useful, so I was trying to figure out why it would have been selected for destruction by the mafia.

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@Zinger: it's just as likely that you were roleblocked by scum as town. In fact, I'd argue more so since you're now also a cop. Venting at the town doesn't help anyone.

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Seppel
LnGrrrR
Arianrhod
Generic
The Most Curious Thing
JeY k
Arcadic
Zinger2099
dkingsland967
Wheat_Grinder

10 players alive. 4 of them have to be scum for it to be LyLo:

Today is L-6. Lynch + NK means 8 players alive, which is.....L-5.

Generic's right -- the math doesn't check out....

Unless there's a scum double-voter? @Seppel, confirm my math on this.

There's some kind of outside chance of some kind of role-based shenanigans, I guess.....something like a secondary lynch activates upon reaching a certain threshold, but after the backlash against Iso for his last couple of games, I'm not sure something like that would've passed review.

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Reads:

Me
Seppel
TMCT



LnG
Generic



Jey_K
Arcadic
Zinger
Wheat



Proph->Dkings


I still want to see Jey as town, but my math has me concerned enough to, at least temporarily, knock her down to questionable.

I'm not as convinced that Arcadic is town as everyone else seems to be. He's still fairly far down on my list for toDay, but I'm not giving him a pass.

I can still see Wheat as being town. I'm curious whether Wheat or LnG knocked off my mask -- since LnG is drafting toDay also, I'm assuming that LnG knocked off his own mask, and Wheat knocked mine off.

We may have to evaluate the potential that Zinger is gambiting scum. I'm not sure that's better than just lynching Proph/Dkings, but I'm not sure any course of action is better than that -- unless we somehow prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jey is scum, in which case I think we buy ourselves a couple more Days (5 scum votes atm, killing scum!Jey knocks down to 3 which means they win at 5 people = 5 people have to die, buys us two Days, I think?)

Nobody should be voting anyone until we have formed a consensus.

Quote from Generic

Dkingsland has yet to make a meaningful post in this game. It's on him now to make an impact.

Relax, guy. It takes some time to get caught up when there are 18,247 posts to read. I was not reading this game before I replaced into it.

I have a serious question for everyone and I expect serious answers in return:

Why does everyone think JeyK is town?

EBWODP: Arian, I think that was a big mistake.

@Dking, mainly because she is a natural double voter/double mask wearer.

Though Seppel, remember what you said about the scum extra lynch threshold as a balance? Maybe it is the other way around... either that or Seppel is scum and just made that up to throw off town

Either or, I don't think Seppel or Jey should be the lynch toDay. There are way "scummier" players than them behaviorally and mechanically.

Forgot to mention, ARod, I knocked my own mask off as noted above.

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EBWODP: Arian, I think that was a big mistake.

Define. I've done a lot of things that could be perceived as mistakes. If you're referring to giving Jey the vig shot, I'm starting to think that.

Reasons why Jey was town:

Very helpful early on, actively read like town!Jey via Katowa Shoujo
Double-voters are almost 100% town because they're too hard to balance for scum / can be considered bastard.

Reasons why Jey might be scum:

Endless excuses from midgame forward (coincided with school starting, so I feel her on that one, but still)
Scum double-voter is the only way I can see us as being in LyLo.

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Forgot to mention, ARod, I knocked my own mask off as noted above.

Yeah, the thread is moving quickly this morning -- I saw that after I posted. Thanks =)

I'll address the rest of your post after some more folks have chimed in, but...

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Double-voters are almost 100% town because they're too hard to balance for scum / can be considered bastard.

Keep in mind that ability is balanced out by Generic's mask. Plus this is obviously a high-level complexity game. Think about how ****ed the roles were in Survival Horror, scum having a doublevoter in this game would pale in comparison.