So you want to lynch me based on what evidence? I offered up the information because I decided that planning around two lynches was better than seeing the reactions to the surprise double lynch.
Indignant? I was worried because AR is either scum or a terrible townie. He said that he wanted us to just out power roles on day 1.
I saw no reason that I needed to mention the fact that lynching me stops the second lynch.
I find it funny that this wagon formed in response to me attacking Seppel's ignoring the N1 RB on Proph. Seppel literally went OMGUS and a wagon forms? Good distraction there...
Wheat's case was +town, +town, +town, not scum-hunting, AG Doesn't vote often!
What part of that points towards scum for you? He seriously makes more +town comments than -town comments.
If you come to this conclusion from my case on you, you are either trying to apply spin or you didn't actually read it.
While your comment isn't false, that's because I stopped applying +town, -town, and +scum to comments halfway through when I had to stop reading for a few hours.
One of the two posts that made you vote me is "Scum could have his ability"? Why aren't you voting for every single vanilla claim? Scum can be vanilla.
Since you seem to think Wheat's case is so great, let's dismantle it.
What is the restriction on your investigation ability? Essentially, when and how often can you use it?
I'm in agreement with the idea that the Fierce Deity's Mask should remain unworn today. Majora's Death will come about during the town's win. You shouldn't need the mask for that purpose.
Let's kick off this draft.
Take: Giant's Mask
Select: Seppel
Some questioning of Zinger which is more or less also representative of his first two posts.
I see it's mostly about determining what exactly Zinger's info ability is. More or less null, but a little scummy that it's specifically the info ability that Zinger is concerned with.
The thought on the FDM is consistent with others, so null.
He selects Seppel as his target. I'm inclined to give that +town, since I'm 99% certain that Seppel is too concerned about finding scum to be scum, ergo cannot possibly be scum with AGod.
Zinger is laying out his abilities, why is asking questions about those abilities scummy? How many players were questioning him, again?
Scum can't really snag the FDM without outing themselves. We can easily wait a day or two, have someone pick it up day 2 or 3, and then use it on the first lynch target of the day, giving us the double lynch when we want it. The whole 'strong town take it' is WIFOMy as hell and doesn't provide much upside over saving FDM and using it as a double lynch once we are more settled into the game.
There are clearly abilities that facilitate the changing of masks. They are not locked in for the entire game. Yes, doing it this way will cost one of those abilities, but it makes everything simpler and allows players to "investigate" different masks.
This is consistent from reading the OP (which he has stated he has done) but not knowing much about the setup. Assuming there are non-mask scum abilities that knock off masks (which Seppel's analysis points to), this gives ++town. If that analysis is ever overturned, it is less so, but still seems generally townie.
How am I off base? A day 2 double lynch is stronger than a day 1 double lynch. I doubt the scum can make off with the mask with no repercussions before day 2. Getting a round of night actions will aid the analysis for our double lynch.
Stands by his reasoning. +town
Isn't doing any scumhunting. -town.
His 322 returns to questioning (albeit, only one), so I'll return the +town.
He wasn't posting much before and now he's not posting at all, oh jeez.
I'm not seeing another post until 771, but I get the feeling that my computer just wasn't loading them quickly. If someone could confirm, that'd be great. Regardless, we'll continue.
His 771 goes hard into scumhunting Arcadic. Without knowing Arcadic's flip it's hard to say with certainty, but his reasoning is strong enough so +town.
But then he immediately doesn't do anything more with Arcadic?
I explained why I backed off Arcadic. Both Seppel and Iso came out shouting that Arcadic was town. They were far more convinced of their read than I was of mine and so I assumed they saw something in him that I didn't.
987 is a fluff question isn't a fluff question, as per 1047
1047 Wifom-y question, clarifies 987.
1047-1073: Caught breadcrumbs on Iso, but used it to WIFOM. +scum; could be insider knowledge. In particular, there's a disconnect between his play and what he figured out.
Why is not announcing Iso's Link breadcrumbs scummy? Are you claiming that I rolecopped Iso or something with this?
Viewing Karn and you as town wasn't analysis? I have also commented on Arcadic, and I'm still uncertain about his reaction. Seppel and Iso both defending him was a point in his favor, though. I don't have solid scum reads yet, but I have done some amount of analysis and am working on scum reads.
Proph asks AGod what AGod has been doing.
I'm 90% sure that AGod never said two words about Proph. CHECK THIS
Regardless, what he said about Karn certainly wasn't analysis. Hell, the only real analysis he did was on Arcadic.
I thought that I had expressed my views earlier, my mistake.
1325 is more self-defense. I think AGod thought he was being a lot more useful than he was.
He states again that he has no scumreads.
[NOTE: I stop reading here and pick up several hours later.]
About 24 hours later he provides his scumlist, but no one is more than leaning scum, which is consistent.
I'm starting to notice a large lack of analysis. Almost everything has been restating what I did. What are your views on the fact that I was consistent, why even mention it?
Oh dear lord AG's T/S list makes me want to keep voting for him. Please let someone counterclaim him.
...Sigh.
Unvote
Guess I'll have to go do a reread for some different suspects.
I don't see how disagreeing with a T/S list points towards scum.
I do not like this post; anecdotal evidence. +scum
Why is this scummy? The attack reminded me of a previous attack that had been made against me. What about bringing in the quote is scummy? Do town not quote other games?
So you are you have the sequence of posts "JeY is sheeping", "JeY isn't sheeping", "JeY is sheeping" and refuse to explain any of those 3 claims. Add in explaining how that is a townie reaction.
This is a good conclusion, nice and vote-worthy, so what does he do with it?
He disappears for about 80 posts and drops it, that's what. On the other hand I think this was around the time Arcadic got confirmed. CHECK THIS
Guardman was under attack after that. Guardman was my 2nd suspect after Arcadic and so I was distracted by going after him. Thanks for reminding me that Arcadic never answered that post, that's another mark against him.
1525 is trying to catch Guardman, and 1596 is along the same thought.
1660: Lays a few weak barns.
1666: I feel off to him, but he's not willing to vote me. Guardman he's also tempted to vote but won't, for some reason.
Guardman was a much stronger scum read than you at this point, you had simply crossed the threshold into leaning scum. Note that my priority at this time was on getting the mass claim under way, I wanted to prove my lynch threshold ability and use my double lynch.
1747: He follows up and starts looking back at my games.
A few posts answering questions about his experience...
1778: Down for a Gman lynch. After nearly 1800 posts, he finally comes to a lynchable read.
Yeah. It took him that long.
1785: Puts his money where his mouth is and votes.
I was ready to vote for Arcadic day 1 and was ready to vote for swish when he got modkilled. Guardman was not the first time that I was willing to lynch someone.
Things I don't like about AGod:
- The scum-Prophylaxis playstyle of asking a bunch of questions with zero follow-up. This, this, and this are examples from the middle of Day 1.
- The T/S list with both Gifts and AI. Including the same player twice is devoid of thought and therefore not from a pro-town mindset.
- This post. /barn Proph that there should be a vote here, and /barn Arcadic that not calling out specific things makes it seem like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting.
- Says Wheat's offness isn't vote-worthy, then elaborates on why he thinks Wheat is scum. Fencesitting.
In conclusion...:shrug:, I guess he's more likely scum than the average player, but not more likely scum than town.
Asking questions is my playstyle as town, look at USUDM or Redux. That may be a scum playstyle for other players, but I like to get clarification and solid statements that can be attacked or used in later cases.
I said that T/S list was quick and off the top of my head at the time. I actually thought AI had replaced Generic, notice that Generic isn't on the list. I had a scum read on Gifts but thought AI had replaced Generic instead of Gifts. I had been asked for a T/S list and I gave a listing of my current reads. I disagree that the pro-town response to such a question is to suddenly go through and reread the thread to give more researched reads. Town should know what their reads are without needing to do research.
The comments from Proph and Arcadic give the reason for each other. The weakness of the read is why there wasn't a vote. Guardman has been my strongest scum read for a while and my gut telling me to look into Wheat doesn't overwrite that. Maybe someone like Seppel will vote for a weaker scum read, but I don't. I got burned for doing that and voting McD over Proph in 71. The elaboration was there to explain why I was agreeing with JeY's read and what my gut was pointing out to me.
I probably should have voted for Guardman after Arcadic got mostly cleared by the cop claim, but I didn't because I had no idea if Arcadic becoming more town really should elicit a Guardman vote. I think I should have because the primary thing making me not vote earlier toDay was my scum reads on Guardman and Arcadic competing with each other, but it just felt like a weird reason to vote to me.
Warning, warning, self-meta alert.
I was attacked based on Proph's meta. When people use meta to attack I'll use meta to defend.
1794/1800: I'm not a fan of this reaction; feels like he's trying to be overconfident that Gman is flipping scum.
He reacted to being lynched by using a mask ability that he had already claimed and, as claimed, couldn't be used at that time. He straight up admits to lying without any explanation of why he lied and that is supposed to be a town response? Did you find Guardman's actions town-motivated?
My position gives me two passive abilities.
I go first in every mask draft that I participate in; I was the authoritative voice at the start of the first mask draft.
I also have a higher lynch threshold; I don't get lynched at a simple majority.
The Giant's Mask has no ability, although it does have some flavor.
More summary without analysis. Also, I'm fairly certain that I was the first to comment about the 5 vs 4 CTG issue. I also wasn't jumping on LnGrrrR's claim. I assumed that LnGrrrR had the support for an Axxon claim, I doubted he would have screwed up that badly. I didn't even mention the issue before Proph attacked it because I asumed LnGrrrR had an explanation. When Proph attacked him, I thought that it'd be best for that explanation to be public.
Seppel, I'd rather not clarify the exact mechanic behind my Lynch Threshold increase. What matters for the town is that I will always survive being voted to the normal lynch threshold.
This makes me uneasy.
Why does it make you uneasy? The relevant town information is that putting me at L-0 isn't a lynch on me, any additional information is only useful if you want to actually lynch me.
A few useless posts, and then some fluffy question posts.
Well that's up to the present.
He still doesn't have a second actionable read. That doesn't necessarily feel like something scum would do, and there's also the townie stuff from the start. On the other hand, we do have a scum game to look at; let's see his play in Chimes.
...my God, (my AGod?), this is uncannily similar to this game. Same fluff questions, same lack of reads, a single actionable read the entire game.
I need to see a town game now. I'll take USUDM, since he more or less lasted til endgame in Chimes, making for a better direct comparison.
USUDM: Vote by post 186 (took until 900 in Chimes, 1700 in this game), another by 492, he's posting more in the middle, has plenty of lynchable reads in the back half of the game besides those he votes.
I was more confident in USUDM than this one, but I was also more confident in USUDM than any of my other town games, such as Katawa Shoujo, Giant Robot, or even Redux. I voted a bunch in Redux but the strength of my reads wasn't actually there until I caught Cyouni in a lie.
This seems pretty cut and dried. Makes me feel like I don't need to go back and check things.
Someone go back and check the things I put a "CHECK THIS" on, and someone check another of AGod's games to this and Chimes. Because from what I can tell, AGod has a scum meta where he doesn't want to lynch anyone ever, and also posts less. I'm less certain about the post rate, though.
Also I don't feel like going through and proofreading. Take it more or less raw.
I apologize for the length.
Once someone checks up on the things I wanted checked, I feel fine moving my vote onto AGod. I'm just as down to lynch Proph, as well.
So the conclusion is that lack of voting is my scum meta? That is meta based off a single game and is even identical to the town game I was playing in at the exact same time (Redux)? The scum aspect of Chimes was my complete breakdown when Void got caught in the mass claim. Prior to that, I was playing Chimes and Redux with the same amount of posting/attention.
This cases reminds me of AR's case on me in Katawa Shoujo. Primarily summary with a surprisingly high amount of "This is townie" for a case that is meant to portray me as scum.
Oh ya nearly forgot again, Arcadic's refusal to explain his views on JeY deserve a vote. There is probably scum somewhere on my wagon, but Arcadic makes the first lynch choice easy.
"You got the Giant's Mask!
Within this mask lies the might of
a giant, but can you use its
power anywhere?"
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Accurate to post 2759... I hope.
2) The Most Curious Thing (wearing 7) Bunny Hood) (0) -
6) JeY k (wearing 22) Sun's Mask and 23) Moon's Mask) (0) -
7) LnGrrrR (replacing Asenion) (wearing 20) Circus Leader's Mask) (0) -
10) AtheistGod (wearing 24) Giant's Mask) (6) - Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, LnGrrrR, Generic, Generic, Arianrhod
11) Zinger2099 (wearing 14) Postman's Hat) (0) -
12) little lizard (wearing 9) Kamaro Mask) (1) - JeY k
13) dkingsland967 (wearing 2) Goron Mask) (2) - little lizard, Arcadic
14) Arianrhod (wearing 21) Great Fairy's Mask) (0) -
15) Arcadic (wearing 3) Zora Mask) (2) - The Most Curious Thing, AtheistGod
16) Wheat_Grinder (replacing Digi) (wearing 10) Don Gero's Mask) (0) -
17) Seppel (wearing 1) Deku Mask) (0) -
18) Generic (wearing 6) Kafei's Mask) (0) -
Mafia Cop designed to hunt for a protown neutral that wants him dead?
Was this not sarcasm?
It seems a couple people are assuming it wasn't, but that's how I read it.
I should probably stop posting reads and notes until I'm fully caught up. I just wanted people to know that I actually am working on reading the thread. I won't get much done today (Saturday=college football, plus I'll be at UK/Bama game later), but I'll be spending a good chunk of the day tomorrow on this game.
So I'm easily mislynched and Seppel is OMGUS me, OK.
That was my starting premise, yes.
Zinger is laying out his abilities, why is asking questions about those abilities scummy? How many players were questioning him, again?
It was a little scummy in that it wasn't Zinger's alignment and actions being questioned by you, but his ability. It caught my eye.
Ok, town support.
More town support.
More town support.
Left in for posterity's sake.
I explained why I backed off Arcadic. Both Seppel and Iso came out shouting that Arcadic was town. They were far more convinced of their read than I was of mine and so I assumed they saw something in him that I didn't.
I want to see these posts quoted.
In addition, why didn't you question why their reads weren't in agreement with yours, rather than just letting it go? You had no other scum reads at the time.
Why is not announcing Iso's Link breadcrumbs scummy? Are you claiming that I rolecopped Iso or something with this?
That wasn't the issue.
The issue was that in 1047 you said "How likely is it that the mafia were noticing the Link breadcrumbs he was spreading?"
That is what reeks of insider info. Catching breadcrumbs is not inherently townie or scummy, WIFOM-ing about whether the scum caught on is.
I thought that I had expressed my views earlier, my mistake.
So why was Proph town to you?
I'm starting to notice a large lack of analysis. Almost everything has been restating what I did. What are your views on the fact that I was consistent, why even mention it?
I was putting in most of the posts for posterity's sake; god knows you didn't have very many.
Consistency tends to be townie, which is why I stated that.
Why is this scummy? The attack reminded me of a previous attack that had been made against me. What about bringing in the quote is scummy? Do town not quote other games?
It's scummy because you were painting your attacker scum with anecdotal evidence, and then didn't push him.
And yeah, town quote other games all the time; just look at Seppel quoting your town game for examples. But they don't do it to throw up some mud and then stop all pressure.
More town support
Guardman was under attack after that. Guardman was my 2nd suspect after Arcadic and so I was distracted by going after him. Thanks for reminding me that Arcadic never answered that post, that's another mark against him.
Yeah, but this marks the second time you had decent reasoning on Arcadic, and had no other scum reads (until Guardman appeared a little later as your singular scum read of the game.) What was keeping your vote off when he refused to explain three times? Did you expect he suddenly would?
Guardman was a much stronger scum read than you at this point, you had simply crossed the threshold into leaning scum. Note that my priority at this time was on getting the mass claim under way, I wanted to prove my lynch threshold ability and use my double lynch.
Why didn't you use your double lynch?
I've covered this.
Technically.
I was ready to vote for Arcadic day 1 and was ready to vote for swish when he got modkilled. Guardman was not the first time that I was willing to lynch someone.
You neither voted nor stated intent to vote.
So I don't believe you.
I was attacked based on Proph's meta. When people use meta to attack I'll use meta to defend.
That's acceptable.
What is the rest and why is it poor?
The rest of your responses to TMCT. They were poor because they didn't really inspire feelings of a well-reasoned defense.
He reacted to being lynched by using a mask ability that he had already claimed and, as claimed, couldn't be used at that time. He straight up admits to lying without any explanation of why he lied and that is supposed to be a town response? Did you find Guardman's actions town-motivated?
That's true; it didn't feel terribly town-motivated. However, "How could he be town?" (paraphrasing you 1800) sounded like overconfident scum phrasing.
Repeating a previous question
Yes, because you stated you had had a reason and when I asked before I was reminding myself to look for the answer. I figured it had to do with your claim.
More summary without analysis. Also, I'm fairly certain that I was the first to comment about the 5 vs 4 CTG issue. I also wasn't jumping on LnGrrrR's claim. I assumed that LnGrrrR had the support for an Axxon claim, I doubted he would have screwed up that badly. I didn't even mention the issue before Proph attacked it because I asumed LnGrrrR had an explanation. When Proph attacked him, I thought that it'd be best for that explanation to be public.
The "Not first on either" implies you were just /barning.
I should like you to prove that you were first on 5 vs. 4 CTG, and prove your intent on LnGrrrR by use of quotes.
Why does it make you uneasy? The relevant town information is that putting me at L-0 isn't a lynch on me, any additional information is only useful if you want to actually lynch me.
I'm uneasy because there is something to your ability that you aren't telling us.
So.
What's the mechanism to lynch you?
I was more confident in USUDM than this one, but I was also more confident in USUDM than any of my other town games, such as Katawa Shoujo, Giant Robot, or even Redux. I voted a bunch in Redux but the strength of my reads wasn't actually there until I caught Cyouni in a lie.
Your strength of reads wasn't here either.
So the conclusion is that lack of voting is my scum meta? That is meta based off a single game and is even identical to the town game I was playing in at the exact same time (Redux)? The scum aspect of Chimes was my complete breakdown when Void got caught in the mass claim. Prior to that, I was playing Chimes and Redux with the same amount of posting/attention.
Not quite. Your lack of pushing scum reads at all, in addition to not voting, is your scum meta. It's not based off a single game; Seppel looked at another game and came to the same results.
If those conclusions are wrong, you need to post strong evidence as to WHY those conclusions are wrong. You can't just say my case is crap without evidence backing up your statements.
This cases reminds me of AR's case on me in Katawa Shoujo. Primarily summary with a surprisingly high amount of "This is townie" for a case that is meant to portray me as scum.
I didn't have a read on you coming in. I was being thorough, and sometimes things can point one way, but ultimately the truth can turn out to be the other with a larger data set.
Oh ya nearly forgot again, Arcadic's refusal to explain his views on JeY deserve a vote. There is probably scum somewhere on my wagon, but Arcadic makes the first lynch choice easy.
The majority of town have agreed there's a pool of 5 players who could be scum:
Lizard
You
Wheat
Arcadic
Proph
With a few people thinking Zinger or some other outside choices. My point is, why not mention the double lynch when our pool was narrowed down?
Why did you wait until you were the main focus of suspicion?
Because he's lying. Think about it, what is the perfect way for a scum team that knows they are in MYLOL to ensure they reach night? Lie about something like a double lynch.
@Zinger : No, you need to explain how you can use your 1. Mask Swapping ability, 2. Your agreed Trade ability and 3. Your intent to both 2x cop tonight and move masks around with Jey. You've made lots of promises you can't keep if you follow the normal rules in the op, so ether your lying or your posturing to the town in order to seem more on our side then you actually are.
@Seppel : The postman's hat cannot detect neutrals, it only gives scum or not scum. Zinger could verify that.
Zinger is laying out his abilities, why is asking questions about those abilities scummy? How many players were questioning him, again?
It was a little scummy in that it wasn't Zinger's alignment and actions being questioned by you, but his ability. It caught my eye.
I saw no reason for Zinger to try pulling this type of stunt as scum and he was offering up his abilities. I wanted to know what abilities we had to work with.
I explained why I backed off Arcadic. Both Seppel and Iso came out shouting that Arcadic was town. They were far more convinced of their read than I was of mine and so I assumed they saw something in him that I didn't.
I have also commented on Arcadic, and I'm still uncertain about his reaction. Seppel and Iso both defending him was a point in his favor, though. I don't have solid scum reads yet, but I have done some amount of analysis and am working on scum reads.
In addition, why didn't you question why their reads weren't in agreement with yours, rather than just letting it go? You had no other scum reads at the time.
I also had tons of null reads. I started looking into these other players with Arcadic on the backburner. I probably shouldn't have trusted their read on Arcadic as much as I did, but I thought that I had already found strong evidence for Seppel's read on Iso and assumed this was a comparable situation. I remember considering asking them about it, but have forgotten the exact reason why I didn't.
Why is this scummy? The attack reminded me of a previous attack that had been made against me. What about bringing in the quote is scummy? Do town not quote other games?
It's scummy because you were painting your attacker scum with anecdotal evidence, and then didn't push him.
I wasn't painting him scum. I was quoting a townie. I was trying to argue that he was misguided, not that he was scum.
Guardman was under attack after that. Guardman was my 2nd suspect after Arcadic and so I was distracted by going after him. Thanks for reminding me that Arcadic never answered that post, that's another mark against him.
Yeah, but this marks the second time you had decent reasoning on Arcadic, and had no other scum reads (until Guardman appeared a little later as your singular scum read of the game.) What was keeping your vote off when he refused to explain three times? Did you expect he suddenly would?
What kept my vote off was that I was first waiting for his response and then became distracted by Guardman's wagon. Guardman was my second scumread after Arcadic at this point in time; Arcadic was not my sole scum suspect.
Guardman was a much stronger scum read than you at this point, you had simply crossed the threshold into leaning scum. Note that my priority at this time was on getting the mass claim under way, I wanted to prove my lynch threshold ability and use my double lynch.
Why didn't you use your double lynch?
I wanted to use the double lynch after the mass claim so that the town could make a more informed extra lynch.
I was ready to vote for Arcadic day 1 and was ready to vote for swish when he got modkilled. Guardman was not the first time that I was willing to lynch someone.
You neither voted nor stated intent to vote.
So I don't believe you.
Read through my games. The way I attacked Arcadic is the same way I have attacked scum suspects in most of my games. Cyouni in Redux, Cellion in GR, and Voxx in USUDM. I'm essentially saying, "If your response to this isn't good, I will vote you." I almost never vote immediately. AR in Katawa Shoujo is the only exception to this and that only happened because I sat back, thought about it, and realized that there was no response he could make that I would accept.
The rest of your responses to TMCT. They were poor because they didn't really inspire feelings of a well-reasoned defense.
They are the same explanations that I've been giving right now. TMCT's attack seemed to be based off a misunderstanding of what my mindset was and so I tried to explain the differences between his view of my posts and what my actual viewpoints were.
He reacted to being lynched by using a mask ability that he had already claimed and, as claimed, couldn't be used at that time. He straight up admits to lying without any explanation of why he lied and that is supposed to be a town response? Did you find Guardman's actions town-motivated?
That's true; it didn't feel terribly town-motivated. However, "How could he be town?" (paraphrasing you 1800) sounded like overconfident scum phrasing.
That came about from frustration. Guardman was being incredibly scummy and people were still considering him town. I couldn't understand their thinking.
More summary without analysis. Also, I'm fairly certain that I was the first to comment about the 5 vs 4 CTG issue. I also wasn't jumping on LnGrrrR's claim. I assumed that LnGrrrR had the support for an Axxon claim, I doubted he would have screwed up that badly. I didn't even mention the issue before Proph attacked it because I asumed LnGrrrR had an explanation. When Proph attacked him, I thought that it'd be best for that explanation to be public.
The "Not first on either" implies you were just /barning.
I should like you to prove that you were first on 5 vs. 4 CTG, and prove your intent on LnGrrrR by use of quotes.
4 Clock Guards including myself (me, Proph, Void/Karn, Ghosting). Of them, only Ghosting has a revealed/claimed ability. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, but it seems a little odd.
Didn't Wheat claim CTG too?
Anyway, I think there's no correlation between being a CTG and being vanilla. swishh and AI have flipped non-CTG Vanilla Townie, Karn has flipped CTG Vanilla Townie, and Ghosting has flipped CTG Townie Defender.
So we have 5 claimed CTG and JeY mentioned day 1 that there are 4 CTG in Majora's Mask?
I was not the first to point out your claim, but I was the first to draw the connection between 5 claimed CTG and JeY's early post about 4 CTG.
Why does it make you uneasy? The relevant town information is that putting me at L-0 isn't a lynch on me, any additional information is only useful if you want to actually lynch me.
I'm uneasy because there is something to your ability that you aren't telling us.
So.
What's the mechanism to lynch you?
+1 vote. Deactivates if the scum can win before our next lynch. This is why I was questioning Generic. Both of us know 100% that there are 4 scum. I left this out initially because introducing the possibility it has a balancing mechanism doesn't help the town in any way and I wanted to scum to be worried that I could take more than 1 extra vote to lynch.
I was more confident in USUDM than this one, but I was also more confident in USUDM than any of my other town games, such as Katawa Shoujo, Giant Robot, or even Redux. I voted a bunch in Redux but the strength of my reads wasn't actually there until I caught Cyouni in a lie.
Your strength of reads wasn't here either.
That was my point, my game here isn't different from my other town games.
So the conclusion is that lack of voting is my scum meta? That is meta based off a single game and is even identical to the town game I was playing in at the exact same time (Redux)? The scum aspect of Chimes was my complete breakdown when Void got caught in the mass claim. Prior to that, I was playing Chimes and Redux with the same amount of posting/attention.
Not quite. Your lack of pushing scum reads at all, in addition to not voting, is your scum meta. It's not based off a single game; Seppel looked at another game and came to the same results.
If those conclusions are wrong, you need to post strong evidence as to WHY those conclusions are wrong. You can't just say my case is crap without evidence backing up your statements.
You are creating a scum meta for me out of a single scum game, a scum meta that isn't different from my town meta. Seppel's conclusion is wrong because he misrepresented my overall posting in Giant Robot and this game in order to exacerbate the differences. The summary of the differences he gave doesn't match the actual posts from the two games.
The majority of town have agreed there's a pool of 5 players who could be scum:
Lizard
You
Wheat
Arcadic
Proph
With a few people thinking Zinger or some other outside choices. My point is, why not mention the double lynch when our pool was narrowed down?
Why did you wait until you were the main focus of suspicion?
Because he's lying. Think about it, what is the perfect way for a scum team that knows they are in MYLOL to ensure they reach night? Lie about something like a double lynch.
The majority of town have agreed there's a pool of 5 players who could be scum:
Lizard
You
Wheat
Arcadic
Proph
With a few people thinking Zinger or some other outside choices. My point is, why not mention the double lynch when our pool was narrowed down?
Why did you wait until you were the main focus of suspicion?
1) I've been arguing that that grouping is incorrect. Seppel, AR and Generic have not been cleared.
2) Why specifically does the pool being narrowed require me revealing the existence of the double lynch? I knew that it was going to happen today but was considering the benefit of gauging reactions to it. Scum could easily slip up in how they reacted to the double lynch.
haven't spotted anything in the first posts to give numbers, but based on my mask still being active we aren't in lylo/mylo, meaning less than 5 by that logic. Seppel was pitching 5 beforehis understanding of game mechanics on MTGS but with no husher role that would suggest 5.
Plus didn't proph show the mafiascum version of this as having 4 mafia?
Why do you ask?
Why are you so uncertain? 3 scum in an 18 player game would be absolutely crazy and you know that the town can't lose before our next lynch, ruling out 5 scum. Is there any reason you doubt that result?
Also, me thinks had I simply assumed 4 straight out like has been speculated throughout this game you would have jumped on me with a "oh do you are sure of the number of scum are you? Maybe cos you are one of them!".
Instead I chose to show my workings, should have realised the question was you trying to set something up.
My vote feels a lot more very in everyone you post AGod. You are clearly struggling under pressure.
I wanted you to be sure. Regardless of being scum or town you knew for a fact that there were 4 scum. Town would have told the truth while scum, thinking it was a trap, would try and lie. You never once mentioned the possibility of 3 scum in your response, why bring it now?
I also find it funny how poorly you understand my current views. Generic's first response was null instead of pointing one way strongly; so, I want follow up and he instantly becomes overly defensive.
Sorry to disappoint, but that's my answer. Nowhere in the game rules have I spotted number of mafia, so sll I can do is make assumptions, which I did.
You are very sure it's 4, is that guaranteed then? Maths always structures games the same way?
I mention 3 mafia as an example of games I've played in where there was not 4 scum due to other factors.
So is there any more to this push on me or is it simple OMGUS masked by a single point based around me not answering a question exactly how you wanted it answered?
It's confirmed for both you and me that 5 mafia is impossible. That's why your uncertainty about there being 4 or 5 mafia is poor. I'm questioning you because I realized that you knew there are 4 mafia and a mafia member might not realize that they have that information as town. Had you answered 5 or 3 I knew you were scum. Your actual response was poor but not certain scum, hence my follow up. It was disconcerting how defensive you became and your justification for the uncertainty isn't great.
My defensiveness was born out if your retort to my answer. You are back peddling now, you clearly said town would have answered straight out with 4. And I still am wanting you to point to where it's written that there are 4 scum players.
My explanation is all I got I'm afraid, if there was a 5 player scum team that makes today mylo, and I still haven't got clarity if my mask is only null in lylo.
I made an educated guess. Apologies if I missed the mod announcement of the exact numbers, otherwise what's the reason for your certainty over the breakdown?
You have abandoned the comments and questions pitched at you with the use of this deflection with me.
You didn't get clarification that your mask doesn't work in MyLo? What clarification did you get?
I responded to WG's comments, how am I ignoring them with this current discussion?
It's confirmed for both you and me that 5 mafia is impossible. That's why your uncertainty about there being 4 or 5 mafia is poor. I'm questioning you because I realized that you knew there are 4 mafia and a mafia member might not realize that they have that information as town. Had you answered 5 or 3 I knew you were scum. Your actual response was poor but not certain scum, hence my follow up. It was disconcerting how defensive you became and your justification for the uncertainty isn't great.
My lynch ability got confirmation that if the town could lose before the next day, the ability would be turned off. That is roughly the definition of MyLo.
You've confirmed that the ability deactivates on MyLo and not only LyLo. This confirms that I have the ability and know how it works, which is exactly what you were trying to imply was a lie. Your recent actions look strongly like scum who is willing to sacrifice themselves to get me lynched right now and stop the double lynch from happening.
You can confirm that it's not MyLo, too. The fact that you continue to say otherwise is just stupid on your part. I bring up information as the argument requires it because "That's as the argument requires it." I bring up information because it has become relevant to the discussion. Your claim that this indicates a lie is completely unfounded, especially since everything I have claimed is confirmable in some way. You have disproved none of what I claim and continue to argue like a conspiracy theorist.
Here's a suggestion. We lynch you with me as the hammer, if you are town we both die. If I'm scum the town can't lose, even if it's MyLo. If I'm town, the town is in a terrible position, but hasn't quite lost yet. If you are scum, we lynched scum and can continue onto our second lynch.
This scenario should be agreeable to you as a town member, right?
I'm still having trouble seeing how lizard and Arcadic could both be town with their claimed roles, but there's such a good chance that AG's scum that I'd fine with him. I've seen enough here.
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AG flipping scum would reflect well on Wheat (the case didn't read like a bus, at all). I'm looking at an AG/Arcadic (if not, LL)/[wildcard from LnGrrrR, Wheat, and Proph]/[other wildcard] scumteam
The lynch threshold and going first every mask draft comes from my role. The double lynch is the true ability of the Giant's Mask. The only thing any other player gets from the Giant's Mask is flavor about the fact that it has a true ability.
Oops, vanished again. This is why I don't play mafia during college and when I get lots of new video games all at once. Pokemon Y is definitely doing me in this time.
I'm reading about 10 pages of ketchup and I'm way too tired to give initial opinions but if i get this information rolling around in the back of my head, my subconscious can give me a few lightbulbs later on. Maybe.
Initial reactions so far:
-AGod feels forced, something about the posts he's been making involving the claim and the follow-up feel extremely off, as though they weren't put together quite naturally. Red flags.
-Wheat's reaction and posts in regard to this new light feel the same way - off. Wheat is on my lynch table, but low on a PoE for now.
-Generic is Generic null.
-I feel like a lot of AGod's recent posting came about once Seppel was like "lol town AGod does this and scum AGod does that" when he brought in a reference from a different game. It seemed odd that his behavior molded to exactly what Seppel said immediately after saying it. My paranoia about Seppel raises but I'll refrain until we lynch yet another townie.
@Seppel : The postman's hat cannot detect neutrals, it only gives scum or not scum. Zinger could verify that.
Okay, I definitely want you lynched unless my following memory is false; You said that it showed people were town or not town. Quote yourself otherwise/Links in order to prove me wrong here.
Zinger, JeY, Lizard, and TMCT have kind of disappeared. And we need their votes.
Sorry sweetie, life's been an utter pain in the anus and like 3 new video games in the span of a week. Consider my votes on AGod though (Arcadic gets a chance to clear my previous statement).
The lynch threshold and going first every mask draft comes from my role. The double lynch is the true ability of the Giant's Mask. The only thing any other player gets from the Giant's Mask is flavor about the fact that it has a true ability.
This is funny because Zinger almost made me give up my Mask of Truth (stone mask was destroyed) for your giant's mask. I would've been upset.
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Wow, I'm caught up, and 34% more tired =_=
Let's lynch AGod. I don't want to hammer until 2 people that aren't Generic tell me to hammer.
Okay, I definitely want you lynched unless my following memory is false; You said that it showed people were town or not town. Quote yourself otherwise/Links in order to prove me wrong here.
ooh, good catch, i believe you're right <-----tomorrow's lynch right here
See what I mean, the mention of a potential flavour cop checking him out and zinger panics.
This guy is hiding something.
Not panic, just pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements.
You say something feels off about my claim but won't say what? You haven't asked me any questions to try and clarify? Nonsense. Let's have the real reason you think my claim smells off...
Whoa there, before he goes into why he made that statement, he is still yet to explain his unvote on little lizard...
And that came long after he gave another player hell for daring to consider voting for him since he claimed cop... Even though lizard had also claimed cop, and it was even referenced in the arguement with zinger.
He fears lizards role, but the tide turning on lizards wagon didn't help him.
I don't fear ****all. Instead of making blind and ignorant assumptions why don't you ask me why I unvoted Lizard?
Because the truth is you don't care. You just want to use my unvote to further your own goals, which is push for a mislynch.
I think lizard and Generic are both scum.
Yes I am voting AGod anyway, because I really want Night to fall so I can investigate the **** outa the bastards and I don't care who has to die to do it.
@Zinger : No, you need to explain how you can use your 1. Mask Swapping ability, 2. Your agreed Trade ability and 3. Your intent to both 2x cop tonight and move masks around with Jey. You've made lots of promises you can't keep if you follow the normal rules in the op, so ether your lying or your posturing to the town in order to seem more on our side then you actually are.
@Seppel : The postman's hat cannot detect neutrals, it only gives scum or not scum. Zinger could verify that.
@Arcadic : 1. Why do I need to explain this? I will answer, but I want to know why you want to know so badly, as well as why it maters. Here is your answer though: I target two players. The first player I target is given the CHOICE of trading masks with the second player. They don't have to say yes. Jey K can verify this. This is how my natural trade ability works. The Trade ability that I got from the Keaton mask is FORCED and offers no choice (which is the one I used to take the postman hat from you).
2. Uh.... See 1.
3. You misunderstood. Go back and read my posts. I intend to trade the postman hat to Jey tonight in order to create two cops (myself being one, Jey being the other). I didn't say I can investigate twice tonight. I don't think I could ever do that, TBH. Right now there is only one cop, me (and if there is a doc he should protect me tonight), but after tonight if al goes well there will be two (me and jey). Comprende?
@Seppel : what he says is correct, the postman's hat tells mafia or not mafia. No neutral identifier.
Zinger, JeY, Lizard, and TMCT have kind of disappeared. And we need their votes.
I haven't disappeared, I was just silently following because I found that when I inject my opinions into the thread they get misinterpreted or misrepresented and really my motives are to pick up some masks, find majora, and get out before the moon crashes...soooo...
A message to the mafia: just so you know, while I am in favour of helping the town, I'm not against your team as a whole. I'm against Majora because I want Majora dead, but even if Majora is killed and I get my masks and leave, you guys can still win. Whether I win or not does not influence at all whether the town wins or not. Obviously because I want Majora dead that means I am slightly more helpful a role to the town than I am to you, but, that doesn't outright make me a threat to your team....So...Please don't roleblock me tonight is where I'm going with this. XD!!!
A message to the town: if I can help you guys win I will, but understand that my own wincon > your wincon.
Indignant? I was worried because AR is either scum or a terrible townie. He said that he wanted us to just out power roles on day 1.
I saw no reason that I needed to mention the fact that lynching me stops the second lynch.
I find it funny that this wagon formed in response to me attacking Seppel's ignoring the N1 RB on Proph. Seppel literally went OMGUS and a wagon forms? Good distraction there...
Generic, explain why you think I'm scum. Where in my posts has there been any scum motivation?
What part of that points towards scum for you? He seriously makes more +town comments than -town comments.
If you come to this conclusion from my case on you, you are either trying to apply spin or you didn't actually read it.
While your comment isn't false, that's because I stopped applying +town, -town, and +scum to comments halfway through when I had to stop reading for a few hours.
Since you seem to think Wheat's case is so great, let's dismantle it.
So I'm easily mislynched and Seppel is OMGUS me, OK.
Zinger is laying out his abilities, why is asking questions about those abilities scummy? How many players were questioning him, again?
Ok, town support.
More town support.
More town support.
I explained why I backed off Arcadic. Both Seppel and Iso came out shouting that Arcadic was town. They were far more convinced of their read than I was of mine and so I assumed they saw something in him that I didn't.
Why is not announcing Iso's Link breadcrumbs scummy? Are you claiming that I rolecopped Iso or something with this?
I thought that I had expressed my views earlier, my mistake.
I'm starting to notice a large lack of analysis. Almost everything has been restating what I did. What are your views on the fact that I was consistent, why even mention it?
Why is this scummy? The attack reminded me of a previous attack that had been made against me. What about bringing in the quote is scummy? Do town not quote other games?
More town support
Guardman was under attack after that. Guardman was my 2nd suspect after Arcadic and so I was distracted by going after him. Thanks for reminding me that Arcadic never answered that post, that's another mark against him.
Guardman was a much stronger scum read than you at this point, you had simply crossed the threshold into leaning scum. Note that my priority at this time was on getting the mass claim under way, I wanted to prove my lynch threshold ability and use my double lynch.
I've covered this.
I was ready to vote for Arcadic day 1 and was ready to vote for swish when he got modkilled. Guardman was not the first time that I was willing to lynch someone.
I was attacked based on Proph's meta. When people use meta to attack I'll use meta to defend.
What is the rest and why is it poor?
He reacted to being lynched by using a mask ability that he had already claimed and, as claimed, couldn't be used at that time. He straight up admits to lying without any explanation of why he lied and that is supposed to be a town response? Did you find Guardman's actions town-motivated?
Repeating a previous question
More summary without analysis. Also, I'm fairly certain that I was the first to comment about the 5 vs 4 CTG issue. I also wasn't jumping on LnGrrrR's claim. I assumed that LnGrrrR had the support for an Axxon claim, I doubted he would have screwed up that badly. I didn't even mention the issue before Proph attacked it because I asumed LnGrrrR had an explanation. When Proph attacked him, I thought that it'd be best for that explanation to be public.
Why does it make you uneasy? The relevant town information is that putting me at L-0 isn't a lynch on me, any additional information is only useful if you want to actually lynch me.
I was more confident in USUDM than this one, but I was also more confident in USUDM than any of my other town games, such as Katawa Shoujo, Giant Robot, or even Redux. I voted a bunch in Redux but the strength of my reads wasn't actually there until I caught Cyouni in a lie.
So the conclusion is that lack of voting is my scum meta? That is meta based off a single game and is even identical to the town game I was playing in at the exact same time (Redux)? The scum aspect of Chimes was my complete breakdown when Void got caught in the mass claim. Prior to that, I was playing Chimes and Redux with the same amount of posting/attention.
This cases reminds me of AR's case on me in Katawa Shoujo. Primarily summary with a surprisingly high amount of "This is townie" for a case that is meant to portray me as scum.
Vote: Arcadic
Within this mask lies the might of
a giant, but can you use its
power anywhere?"
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2) The Most Curious Thing (wearing 7) Bunny Hood) (0) -
6) JeY k (wearing 22) Sun's Mask and 23) Moon's Mask) (0) -
7) LnGrrrR (replacing Asenion) (wearing 20) Circus Leader's Mask) (0) -
10) AtheistGod (wearing 24) Giant's Mask) (6) - Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, LnGrrrR, Generic, Generic, Arianrhod
11) Zinger2099 (wearing 14) Postman's Hat) (0) -
12) little lizard (wearing 9) Kamaro Mask) (1) - JeY k
13) dkingsland967 (wearing 2) Goron Mask) (2) - little lizard, Arcadic
14) Arianrhod (wearing 21) Great Fairy's Mask) (0) -
15) Arcadic (wearing 3) Zora Mask) (2) - The Most Curious Thing, AtheistGod
16) Wheat_Grinder (replacing Digi) (wearing 10) Don Gero's Mask) (0) -
17) Seppel (wearing 1) Deku Mask) (0) -
18) Generic (wearing 6) Kafei's Mask) (0) -
Not Voting (3): JeY k, Zinger2099, dkingsland967
With 14 votes in play it takes 8 votes to lynch.
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We massclaimed and you lied about your abilities (by omission).
Was this not sarcasm?
It seems a couple people are assuming it wasn't, but that's how I read it.
I should probably stop posting reads and notes until I'm fully caught up. I just wanted people to know that I actually am working on reading the thread. I won't get much done today (Saturday=college football, plus I'll be at UK/Bama game later), but I'll be spending a good chunk of the day tomorrow on this game.
Every single true mask ability was omitted in the massclaim. Leaving out information that the mass claim wasn't covering isn't a contradiction.
That was my starting premise, yes.
It was a little scummy in that it wasn't Zinger's alignment and actions being questioned by you, but his ability. It caught my eye.
Left in for posterity's sake.
I want to see these posts quoted.
In addition, why didn't you question why their reads weren't in agreement with yours, rather than just letting it go? You had no other scum reads at the time.
That wasn't the issue.
The issue was that in 1047 you said "How likely is it that the mafia were noticing the Link breadcrumbs he was spreading?"
That is what reeks of insider info. Catching breadcrumbs is not inherently townie or scummy, WIFOM-ing about whether the scum caught on is.
So why was Proph town to you?
I was putting in most of the posts for posterity's sake; god knows you didn't have very many.
Consistency tends to be townie, which is why I stated that.
It's scummy because you were painting your attacker scum with anecdotal evidence, and then didn't push him.
And yeah, town quote other games all the time; just look at Seppel quoting your town game for examples. But they don't do it to throw up some mud and then stop all pressure.
Yeah, but this marks the second time you had decent reasoning on Arcadic, and had no other scum reads (until Guardman appeared a little later as your singular scum read of the game.) What was keeping your vote off when he refused to explain three times? Did you expect he suddenly would?
Why didn't you use your double lynch?
Technically.
You neither voted nor stated intent to vote.
So I don't believe you.
That's acceptable.
The rest of your responses to TMCT. They were poor because they didn't really inspire feelings of a well-reasoned defense.
That's true; it didn't feel terribly town-motivated. However, "How could he be town?" (paraphrasing you 1800) sounded like overconfident scum phrasing.
Yes, because you stated you had had a reason and when I asked before I was reminding myself to look for the answer. I figured it had to do with your claim.
The "Not first on either" implies you were just /barning.
I should like you to prove that you were first on 5 vs. 4 CTG, and prove your intent on LnGrrrR by use of quotes.
I'm uneasy because there is something to your ability that you aren't telling us.
So.
What's the mechanism to lynch you?
Your strength of reads wasn't here either.
Not quite. Your lack of pushing scum reads at all, in addition to not voting, is your scum meta. It's not based off a single game; Seppel looked at another game and came to the same results.
If those conclusions are wrong, you need to post strong evidence as to WHY those conclusions are wrong. You can't just say my case is crap without evidence backing up your statements.
I didn't have a read on you coming in. I was being thorough, and sometimes things can point one way, but ultimately the truth can turn out to be the other with a larger data set.
PBP is generally terrible but it's the best way I had.
Too little too late.
How so?
The majority of town have agreed there's a pool of 5 players who could be scum:
Lizard
You
Wheat
Arcadic
Proph
With a few people thinking Zinger or some other outside choices. My point is, why not mention the double lynch when our pool was narrowed down?
Why did you wait until you were the main focus of suspicion?
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Because he's lying. Think about it, what is the perfect way for a scum team that knows they are in MYLOL to ensure they reach night? Lie about something like a double lynch.
@Zinger : No, you need to explain how you can use your 1. Mask Swapping ability, 2. Your agreed Trade ability and 3. Your intent to both 2x cop tonight and move masks around with Jey. You've made lots of promises you can't keep if you follow the normal rules in the op, so ether your lying or your posturing to the town in order to seem more on our side then you actually are.
@Seppel : The postman's hat cannot detect neutrals, it only gives scum or not scum. Zinger could verify that.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I saw no reason for Zinger to try pulling this type of stunt as scum and he was offering up his abilities. I wanted to know what abilities we had to work with.
These weren't enough to make me view Arcadic as town, but it pulled him from lynchable read towards null.
My comment on why I backed off of Arcadic:
I also had tons of null reads. I started looking into these other players with Arcadic on the backburner. I probably shouldn't have trusted their read on Arcadic as much as I did, but I thought that I had already found strong evidence for Seppel's read on Iso and assumed this was a comparable situation. I remember considering asking them about it, but have forgotten the exact reason why I didn't.
Why is considering the potential that scum caught onto our PR scummy? It was the first thing that came to mind when Iso died.
I'll have to go back through Proph's posts to give specific reasons, it was a general read based off all of his posts instead of any one thing.
I wasn't painting him scum. I was quoting a townie. I was trying to argue that he was misguided, not that he was scum.
What kept my vote off was that I was first waiting for his response and then became distracted by Guardman's wagon. Guardman was my second scumread after Arcadic at this point in time; Arcadic was not my sole scum suspect.
I wanted to use the double lynch after the mass claim so that the town could make a more informed extra lynch.
Read through my games. The way I attacked Arcadic is the same way I have attacked scum suspects in most of my games. Cyouni in Redux, Cellion in GR, and Voxx in USUDM. I'm essentially saying, "If your response to this isn't good, I will vote you." I almost never vote immediately. AR in Katawa Shoujo is the only exception to this and that only happened because I sat back, thought about it, and realized that there was no response he could make that I would accept.
They are the same explanations that I've been giving right now. TMCT's attack seemed to be based off a misunderstanding of what my mindset was and so I tried to explain the differences between his view of my posts and what my actual viewpoints were.
That came about from frustration. Guardman was being incredibly scummy and people were still considering him town. I couldn't understand their thinking.
I was not the first to point out your claim, but I was the first to draw the connection between 5 claimed CTG and JeY's early post about 4 CTG.
+1 vote. Deactivates if the scum can win before our next lynch. This is why I was questioning Generic. Both of us know 100% that there are 4 scum. I left this out initially because introducing the possibility it has a balancing mechanism doesn't help the town in any way and I wanted to scum to be worried that I could take more than 1 extra vote to lynch.
That was my point, my game here isn't different from my other town games.
You are creating a scum meta for me out of a single scum game, a scum meta that isn't different from my town meta. Seppel's conclusion is wrong because he misrepresented my overall posting in Giant Robot and this game in order to exacerbate the differences. The summary of the differences he gave doesn't match the actual posts from the two games.
Arcadic, explain right now why there are 5 scum.
1) I've been arguing that that grouping is incorrect. Seppel, AR and Generic have not been cleared.
2) Why specifically does the pool being narrowed require me revealing the existence of the double lynch? I knew that it was going to happen today but was considering the benefit of gauging reactions to it. Scum could easily slip up in how they reacted to the double lynch.
Why are you so uncertain? 3 scum in an 18 player game would be absolutely crazy and you know that the town can't lose before our next lynch, ruling out 5 scum. Is there any reason you doubt that result?
"What reactions did you find?"
"Uhh..."
Goddamn lynch this liar.
Right. Forgot about that.
Once your true mask ability is proven by Zinger, you're 100% town.
I wanted you to be sure. Regardless of being scum or town you knew for a fact that there were 4 scum. Town would have told the truth while scum, thinking it was a trap, would try and lie. You never once mentioned the possibility of 3 scum in your response, why bring it now?
How do I gauge reactions to an event that never happened? The surprise second lynch never happened.
Are you assuming that neutrals give a not-scum result?
It's confirmed for both you and me that 5 mafia is impossible. That's why your uncertainty about there being 4 or 5 mafia is poor. I'm questioning you because I realized that you knew there are 4 mafia and a mafia member might not realize that they have that information as town. Had you answered 5 or 3 I knew you were scum. Your actual response was poor but not certain scum, hence my follow up. It was disconcerting how defensive you became and your justification for the uncertainty isn't great.
Four days later (conveniently a few posts before the AGod wagon begins):
Seppel 283 (+9%)
Generic 258 (+8%)
JeY k 249 (+3%)
Prophylaxis 199 / dkingsland967 17 (+∞%)
little lizard 190 (+4%)
Zinger2099 165 (+2%)
Asenion 163 / LnGrrrR 131 (+20%)
Arianrhod 141 (+12%)
Wheat_Grinder 116 (+20%)
The Most Curious Thing 91 (+4%)
AtheistGod 87 (+33%)
Taredas 70 (+6%)
Arcadic 49 (+14%)
This game has been going on for a little over two months and AGod has made 33% of all his posts in the past 4 days.
Wheat's also suddenly decided to play.
LnG replaced in recently so his is kind of inaccurate.
Zinger, JeY, Lizard, and TMCT have kind of disappeared. And we need their votes.
You didn't get clarification that your mask doesn't work in MyLo? What clarification did you get?
I responded to WG's comments, how am I ignoring them with this current discussion?
Hold the phone.
How is that confirmed?
And none of that contradicts "town can lose before the next day".
I spent too long doing nothing because I was busy.
I'm still busy but I'm not going to just sit around.
Are you trying to argue that this is a lie? You already confirmed what I've said yourself, so you know I'm not lying.
Here's a suggestion. We lynch you with me as the hammer, if you are town we both die. If I'm scum the town can't lose, even if it's MyLo. If I'm town, the town is in a terrible position, but hasn't quite lost yet. If you are scum, we lynched scum and can continue onto our second lynch.
This scenario should be agreeable to you as a town member, right?
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AG flipping scum would reflect well on Wheat (the case didn't read like a bus, at all). I'm looking at an AG/Arcadic (if not, LL)/[wildcard from LnGrrrR, Wheat, and Proph]/[other wildcard] scumteam
Really? You can't even read the thread?
I'm reading about 10 pages of ketchup and I'm way too tired to give initial opinions but if i get this information rolling around in the back of my head, my subconscious can give me a few lightbulbs later on. Maybe.
Initial reactions so far:
-AGod feels forced, something about the posts he's been making involving the claim and the follow-up feel extremely off, as though they weren't put together quite naturally. Red flags.
-Wheat's reaction and posts in regard to this new light feel the same way - off. Wheat is on my lynch table, but low on a PoE for now.
-Generic is Generic
-I feel like a lot of AGod's recent posting came about once Seppel was like "lol town AGod does this and scum AGod does that" when he brought in a reference from a different game. It seemed odd that his behavior molded to exactly what Seppel said immediately after saying it. My paranoia about Seppel raises but I'll refrain until we lynch yet another townie.
Okay, I definitely want you lynched unless my following memory is false; You said that it showed people were town or not town. Quote yourself otherwise/Links in order to prove me wrong here.
Clarify who "this" is that you're refercing in this post? I'm just... it doesn't matter, please asnwer kthnx
Nevermind.
Sorry sweetie, life's been an utter pain in the anus and like 3 new video games in the span of a week. Consider my votes on AGod though (Arcadic gets a chance to clear my previous statement).
This is funny because Zinger almost made me give up my Mask of Truth (stone mask was destroyed) for your giant's mask. I would've been upset.
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Wow, I'm caught up, and 34% more tired =_=
Let's lynch AGod. I don't want to hammer until 2 people that aren't Generic tell me to hammer.
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Blech.
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in three words
everyone whose case was longer than three words take notes
ooh, good catch, i believe you're right <-----tomorrow's lynch right here
i'm fine to end the day.
Hammer.
Also, Vote: AtheistGod
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Not panic, just pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements.
You say something feels off about my claim but won't say what? You haven't asked me any questions to try and clarify? Nonsense. Let's have the real reason you think my claim smells off...
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I don't fear ****all. Instead of making blind and ignorant assumptions why don't you ask me why I unvoted Lizard?
Because the truth is you don't care. You just want to use my unvote to further your own goals, which is push for a mislynch.
I think lizard and Generic are both scum.
Yes I am voting AGod anyway, because I really want Night to fall so I can investigate the **** outa the bastards and I don't care who has to die to do it.
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@Arcadic : 1. Why do I need to explain this? I will answer, but I want to know why you want to know so badly, as well as why it maters. Here is your answer though: I target two players. The first player I target is given the CHOICE of trading masks with the second player. They don't have to say yes. Jey K can verify this. This is how my natural trade ability works. The Trade ability that I got from the Keaton mask is FORCED and offers no choice (which is the one I used to take the postman hat from you).
2. Uh.... See 1.
3. You misunderstood. Go back and read my posts. I intend to trade the postman hat to Jey tonight in order to create two cops (myself being one, Jey being the other). I didn't say I can investigate twice tonight. I don't think I could ever do that, TBH. Right now there is only one cop, me (and if there is a doc he should protect me tonight), but after tonight if al goes well there will be two (me and jey). Comprende?
@Seppel : what he says is correct, the postman's hat tells mafia or not mafia. No neutral identifier.
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I haven't disappeared, I was just silently following because I found that when I inject my opinions into the thread they get misinterpreted or misrepresented and really my motives are to pick up some masks, find majora, and get out before the moon crashes...soooo...
A message to the mafia: just so you know, while I am in favour of helping the town, I'm not against your team as a whole. I'm against Majora because I want Majora dead, but even if Majora is killed and I get my masks and leave, you guys can still win. Whether I win or not does not influence at all whether the town wins or not. Obviously because I want Majora dead that means I am slightly more helpful a role to the town than I am to you, but, that doesn't outright make me a threat to your team....So...Please don't roleblock me tonight is where I'm going with this. XD!!!
A message to the town: if I can help you guys win I will, but understand that my own wincon > your wincon.
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