Don't you think there's a mechanical dichotomy between Arcadic and lizard? That we should be solving Today?
A (conditional) cop and a flavor cop. They're both alignment-discerning investigative roles.
I'm a Mask Cop that has his true mask as the Cop Mask. I've been reletively open about the mask cop item if you look back to my day 1 harrasment of Zinger as lying about the Deity Mask's ability. You know how I keep harping on about how Zinger is lying because he doesn't know how his ability actually works? My ability specificly states it will not reveal normal masks, and i have to coax that out of Zinger in the beginning of day 1's mask draft.
You know, taking that thought to its logical conclusion, I think Lizard should be off the table. Even if he IS scum, we can test his ability tonight and make sure he is telling the truth. Suggest he fires at a known townie person (JeY since he already fired at TMCT.) If he is town he can help us, if he is scum we can deal with him tomorrow.
I highly dislike this post. How exactly can we test his ability when we have mass claimed? Who can he target that we don't already have info on? How can his ability possibly confirm his alignment now? How are we to determine, for fact, that his is scum or town based on information he should publicly have?
AGod or Proph are still fine lynches and i will vote ether of them cause i am pretty sure they are both scum. I still think that if we can lynch Zinger today, we should, and i highly doubt we are in mLYOL. I still encourage anyone with a shot left to shoot him at will, but it just doesn't seem likely.
I could very well lie, yes. There really is no longer a sure fire way to prove my ability.
I get names and a little bit of flavor surrounding the person.
I can't remember the flavor bits for Arian but TMCT mentioned music.
So if I were to investigate swish if he was still alive I'd get Skullkid and little flavor bits surrounding them. If I were to investigate Jey and she is telling the truth I'd get Rosa Sisters and flavor surrounding the sisters.
I can check for fake claims essentially at this point.
The vote counts are CORRECT - this came up earlier in the game, and the ruling was that blanket Unvotes from a player with an extra vote would be treated as an Unvote x2 (i.e, for a player with an extra vote Unvote is treated as a shortcut of Unvote x2). As such, JeY unvoted both votes in 2487 and little lizard never reached L-0. - Tar
Actually you are right, I do remember this specific indication, and if I wanted to simply unvote 1 of my votes I would have to "unvote: player".
I don't have time to read anything tonight, as I have two midterms tomorrow! I'll be done with everything tomorrow night.
@Wheat, I noted it the post right after, but I didn't like how Seppel liked his post, then voted him soon after. It wasnt that I disliked the hammer, as I didn't think it was the hammer. I disliked the vote.
@Wheat, I noted it the post right after, but I didn't like how Seppel liked his post, then voted him soon after. It wasnt that I disliked the hammer, as I didn't think it was the hammer. I disliked the vote.
@Wheat: If you bothered to read, you'd know why not.
Looking back, I see you suddenly being against a lizard lynch without ever stating why. The vote was for reaction purposes, but when you elicited no reaction, there wasn't anything else.
@Wheat: If you bothered to read, you'd know why not.
Looking back, I see you suddenly being against a lizard lynch without ever stating why. The vote was for reaction purposes, but when you elicited no reaction, there wasn't anything else.
ERGO HE'S NOT A STRONG ENOUGH SCUMREAD TO KEEP A VOTE ON
It's like you expect a 'guilty until proven innocent' mindset.
Tell me about it. Luckily for Tar, my wife is out of the country until late next week so I will have plenty of free time to get caught up on this game in hopefully just a few days.
Anybody have anything super important they want to tell me?
Tell me about it. Luckily for Tar, my wife is out of the country until late next week so I will have plenty of free time to get caught up on this game in hopefully just a few days.
Anybody have anything super important they want to tell me?
Good luck, and godspeed.
Also, the link in Seppel's sig is a big deal. It needs updated at some point since we've found out some more information since it was posted, but it's still a pretty good resource to be aware of.
Anybody have anything super important they want to tell me?
There are parts of Day 1 you can probably skip, but then again I'd appreciate a full read from someone whose slot I have a town read on. Good luck, I guess.
I could very well lie, yes. There really is no longer a sure fire way to prove my ability.
I get names and a little bit of flavor surrounding the person.
I can't remember the flavor bits for Arian but TMCT mentioned music.
So if I were to investigate swish if he was still alive I'd get Skullkid and little flavor bits surrounding them. If I were to investigate Jey and she is telling the truth I'd get Rosa Sisters and flavor surrounding the sisters.
I can check for fake claims essentially at this point.
More laterish
I did not direct that post at you, but thanks for answering questions not directed at you. It's so helpful trying to catch scum when you can't even ask them a question.
@Wheat, I noted it the post right after, but I didn't like how Seppel liked his post, then voted him soon after. It wasnt that I disliked the hammer, as I didn't think it was the hammer. I disliked the vote.
Show me where i desire the lynch of lizard since he's re-claimed? Learn to read, i know, i forgot, your alibi for not being a town-aligned neutral is that you are too lazy and forgetful to read. My bad.
Based on the N1 and N2 lists... Arianrhod, LnGrrrR and Zinger2099 are in the "confirmed" section on all. Does this mean they are confirmed non-scum, or am I misinterpreting?
Arcadic, can you point me to Proph's claim? I haven't seen it. It's going to take me a little time to get acquainted to the mask mechanics and whatnot, so if I can look at that, Seppel's list, and the PMs Tar sent me I can cross-examine and see if anything needs to be clarified/added.
Anybody have anything super important they want to tell me?
There are parts of Day 1 you can probably skip, but then again I'd appreciate a full read from someone whose slot I have a town read on. Good luck, I guess.
Day 1 is the most important imo. A fresh look into the wagons on Guardman and AI on day 2 is also important, since they were so terrible.
@Zinger : I got a non-sarcastic question for you. What is the flavor/reasoning why you can use more than 1 ability a night? Per Rule 34.
<34> Each player may use up to one activated ability granted by their Mask and one activated ability granted by their role per day/night cycle.
Why are you the exception to this rule, what reasoning/flavor is there for this? What's the limit? Can you use all your 1 use shots tonight along with you two mask exchanging abilities?
Don't you think there's a mechanical dichotomy between Arcadic and lizard? That we should be solving Today?
A (conditional) cop and a flavor cop. They're both alignment-discerning investigative roles.
I highly dislike this post. How exactly can we test his ability when we have mass claimed? Who can he target that we don't already have info on? How can his ability possibly confirm his alignment now? How are we to determine, for fact, that his is scum or town based on information he should publicly have?
Just because we have claimed doesn't mean that we have shared all the flavor in our role. If Lizard got flavor info that was unique, we could have someone towny confirm the ability. (Yes, this wouldn't confirm his alignment, just his ability.)
Also, since you distrust Zinger and don't want to lynch Lizard toDay, I am surprised you didn't think to ask Lizard to check Zinger toDay.
Finally, Lizard said that if flavor copped Majora he would get the "worst possible" result. That means that if Lizard cops Majora, he will find one scum at least. That's more useful than a vanilla.
Of course, the above is all assuming that Lizard is town. But since he is as scummy to me as a few others, then I am ok with not lynching him toDay.
There are parts of Day 1 you can probably skip, but then again I'd appreciate a full read from someone whose slot I have a town read on. Good luck, I guess.
Day 1 and 2 are must reads just for wagon re-insight. Just take your time, page by page and give us some reads when your done.
Player: Prophylaxis
Rolename: Clock Town Guard
Role: Vanilla Town
Ability: [None]
Mask (N1 - D3): Goron Mask (Abilities are Unblockable and Unredirectable)
N1 Results: Roleblocked, Mask Removed
N2 Results: (None)
My previous mask was the Garo Mask - Zinger went over this, but it makes a player unlynchable for one day. The thing is, it actually does nothing because the wagon then resets, allowing you to lynch that player again and have that lynch go through.
I was thinking of sandbagging it until lylo but :shrug:.
Omitted parts of the post that do not relate to the claim, but here it is.
Player: Prophylaxis
Rolename: Clock Town Guard
Role: Vanilla Town
Ability: [None]
Mask (N1 - D3): Goron Mask (Abilities are Unblockable and Unredirectable)
N1 Results: Roleblocked, Mask Removed
N2 Results: (None)
My previous mask was the Garo Mask - Zinger went over this, but it makes a player unlynchable for one day. The thing is, it actually does nothing because the wagon then resets, allowing you to lynch that player again and have that lynch go through.
I was thinking of sandbagging it until lylo but :shrug:.
Everything here is correct except for one thing about the Garo Mask. Proph misinterpreted how it worked. It actually does make the targeted player completely unlynchable for that Day. Yes, the wagon does reset if that player gets to the lynch threshold, but if they are lynched again the vote count will reset again.
My apologies if Zinger or someone else already clarified this.
Question: Can someone give me a short explanation on why not everyone drafts a mask each day?
Just because we have claimed doesn't mean that we have shared all the flavor in our role. If Lizard got flavor info that was unique, we could have someone towny confirm the ability. (Yes, this wouldn't confirm his alignment, just his ability.)
Unique how? Its not like this game has original flavor, anyone with a google could come up with some random flavor that related to each and everyone's current claim. I could do it right now.
Finally, Lizard said that if flavor copped Majora he would get the "worst possible" result. That means that if Lizard cops Majora, he will find one scum at least. That's more useful than a vanilla.
I'm well aware of the ability he now has to cop people now that we full-claimed. The problem I have is your terrible logic that a result other than finding scum can somehow prove his ability and alignment.
Of course, the above is all assuming that Lizard is town. But since he is as scummy to me as a few others, then I am ok with not lynching him toDay.
Player: Prophylaxis
Rolename: Clock Town Guard
Role: Vanilla Town
Ability: [None]
Mask (N1 - D3): Goron Mask (Abilities are Unblockable and Unredirectable)
N1 Results: Roleblocked, Mask Removed
N2 Results: (None)
My previous mask was the Garo Mask - Zinger went over this, but it makes a player unlynchable for one day. The thing is, it actually does nothing because the wagon then resets, allowing you to lynch that player again and have that lynch go through.
I was thinking of sandbagging it until lylo but :shrug:.
Everything here is correct except for one thing about the Garo Mask. Proph misinterpreted how it worked. It actually does make the targeted player completely unlynchable for that Day. Yes, the wagon does reset if that player gets to the lynch threshold, but if they are lynched again the vote count will reset again.
My apologies if Zinger or someone else already clarified this.
Question: Can someone give me a short explanation on why not everyone drafts a mask each day?
Awesome, thanks.
We don't draft masks each day because we already have masks. Only people without masks for whatever reason draft.
Based on the N1 and N2 lists... Arianrhod, LnGrrrR and Zinger2099 are in the "confirmed" section on all. Does this mean they are confirmed non-scum, or am I misinterpreting?
Considering that I am a Lego Bionicle, I think it is safe to say that some of us might have unique flavor. And my point is that if Lizard points it at a "confirmed" townie and got a good deal of flavor, then we could have that townie confirm whether Lizard was telling the truth. For instance, I already mentioned it earlier when I claimed, but my flavor talks about the Order of Something or Other. I would expect Lizard to receive this info, and then question him on what he received. In fact...
@TMCT, could you try to confirm that Lizard is telling the truth? Anything you left out of your claim that might be able to confirm Lizard's telling the truth?
And if he finds Majora (which he should be able to give his claim) then he will have found scum.
Re: the "zero sense" line, I have five people as possible scum right now: you, Agod, Proph, lizard and wheat. Considering I am not sure which of this group is scum and which is town, I am fine with any of them getting lynched. That said, since they are all have an equal chance in my mind to come up scum, we might as well not lynch those who could be useful to us. Lynching a VT isn't as bad as lynching a town PR (even a weak PR.)
Considering that I am a Lego Bionicle, I think it is safe to say that some of us might have unique flavor. And my point is that if Lizard points it at a "confirmed" townie and got a good deal of flavor, then we could have that townie confirm whether Lizard was telling the truth. For instance, I already mentioned it earlier when I claimed, but my flavor talks about the Order of Something or Other. I would expect Lizard to receive this info, and then question him on what he received. In fact...
@TMCT, could you try to confirm that Lizard is telling the truth? Anything you left out of your claim that might be able to confirm Lizard's telling the truth?
And if he finds Majora (which he should be able to give his claim) then he will have found scum.
Re: the "zero sense" line, I have five people as possible scum right now: you, Agod, Proph, lizard and wheat. Considering I am not sure which of this group is scum and which is town, I am fine with any of them getting lynched. That said, since they are all have an equal chance in my mind to come up scum, we might as well not lynch those who could be useful to us. Lynching a VT isn't as bad as lynching a town PR (even a weak PR.)
I fail to understand why you think that TMCT could possibly be scum.
Also, per your logic, AGod is the safest lynch. I could agree with that. His ability as claimed does literally nothing for the town.
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
Also, I am not sure how you can say AGod's ability doesn't help town. What are the chances of scum having that ability? I would think it would help greatly as we get closer to LyLo, because it would make him unlynchable.
Can anyone point out a similar ability on scum in any game? (Not counting Iso games?)
One midterm down, one to go! My mental diagnostics are stabilizing as well. After Friday, I won't have my desktop for four days so I'll have plenty of time to not play any games and really try to do some serious work for this game.
@Seppel Care to clarify what makes dkingsland confirmed?
Based on the N1 and N2 lists... Arianrhod, LnGrrrR and Zinger2099 are in the "confirmed" section on all. Does this mean they are confirmed non-scum, or am I misinterpreting?
Confirmed non-scum. Also Generic.
Gotcha. I'll get to the meat and potatoes of this in my read, but at least that's a head start.
Also, did we somehow conclude that there are 5 scum or is that a cautious assumption?
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
I obviously can't evaluate point #1 yet, but I don't think you can confirm TMCT as town based on points 2-4. Don't they just indicate that TMCT and Lizard could potentially be scum together?
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
Also, I am not sure how you can say AGod's ability doesn't help town. What are the chances of scum having that ability? I would think it would help greatly as we get closer to LyLo, because it would make him unlynchable.
Can anyone point out a similar ability on scum in any game? (Not counting Iso games?)
I gotcha. I misunderstood you.
We have absolutely no proof of anything regarding LurkerGod that I'm aware of. I'm also not the right person to ask regarding historical examples, sadly -- although I was going to cite an Iso game.
Based on the N1 and N2 lists... Arianrhod, LnGrrrR and Zinger2099 are in the "confirmed" section on all. Does this mean they are confirmed non-scum, or am I misinterpreting?
Confirmed non-scum. Also Generic.
Gotcha. I'll get to the meat and potatoes of this in my read, but at least that's a head start.
Also, did we somehow conclude that there are 5 scum or is that a cautious assumption?
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
I obviously can't evaluate point #1 yet, but I don't think you can confirm TMCT as town based on points 2-4. Don't they just indicate that TMCT and Lizard could potentially be scum together?
No, he's saying that from #1, #2-4 logically follow.
@Dkings, the mod shared that there was an ability that was making the clock run half speed. TMCT claimed that ability and no one counter claimed. That alone makes him town, besides numerous other things.
Show me where i desire the lynch of lizard since he's re-claimed? Learn to read, i know, i forgot, your alibi for not being a town-aligned neutral is that you are too lazy and forgetful to read. My bad.
I wasn't talking about lizard you numbskull. I was talking about me. From the moment I donned the postman's hat I became a true cop.
Also, why should I bother answering your serious questions if you're going to ask sarcastic ones the other half the time?
I get two abilities every night as does everyone in this game. A personal ability and a mask ability. Abilities that I copied off masks no longer count as mask abilities.
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
Also, I am not sure how you can say AGod's ability doesn't help town. What are the chances of scum having that ability? I would think it would help greatly as we get closer to LyLo, because it would make him unlynchable.
Can anyone point out a similar ability on scum in any game? (Not counting Iso games?)
Ummmm
It doesn't work that way.
You're being really optimistic with how this flavor bit goes. Flavor is not the important part of the ability?
What is the restriction on your investigation ability? Essentially, when and how often can you use it?
I'm in agreement with the idea that the Fierce Deity's Mask should remain unworn today. Majora's Death will come about during the town's win. You shouldn't need the mask for that purpose.
Let's kick off this draft.
Take: Giant's Mask
Select: Seppel
Some questioning of Zinger which is more or less also representative of his first two posts.
I see it's mostly about determining what exactly Zinger's info ability is. More or less null, but a little scummy that it's specifically the info ability that Zinger is concerned with.
The thought on the FDM is consistent with others, so null.
He selects Seppel as his target. I'm inclined to give that +town, since I'm 99% certain that Seppel is too concerned about finding scum to be scum, ergo cannot possibly be scum with AGod.
Scum can't really snag the FDM without outing themselves. We can easily wait a day or two, have someone pick it up day 2 or 3, and then use it on the first lynch target of the day, giving us the double lynch when we want it. The whole 'strong town take it' is WIFOMy as hell and doesn't provide much upside over saving FDM and using it as a double lynch once we are more settled into the game.
There are clearly abilities that facilitate the changing of masks. They are not locked in for the entire game. Yes, doing it this way will cost one of those abilities, but it makes everything simpler and allows players to "investigate" different masks.
This is consistent from reading the OP (which he has stated he has done) but not knowing much about the setup. Assuming there are non-mask scum abilities that knock off masks (which Seppel's analysis points to), this gives ++town. If that analysis is ever overturned, it is less so, but still seems generally townie.
How am I off base? A day 2 double lynch is stronger than a day 1 double lynch. I doubt the scum can make off with the mask with no repercussions before day 2. Getting a round of night actions will aid the analysis for our double lynch.
Stands by his reasoning. +town
Isn't doing any scumhunting. -town.
His 322 returns to questioning (albeit, only one), so I'll return the +town.
He wasn't posting much before and now he's not posting at all, oh jeez.
I'm not seeing another post until 771, but I get the feeling that my computer just wasn't loading them quickly. If someone could confirm, that'd be great. Regardless, we'll continue.
His 771 goes hard into scumhunting Arcadic. Without knowing Arcadic's flip it's hard to say with certainty, but his reasoning is strong enough so +town.
But then he immediately doesn't do anything more with Arcadic?
835 is more or useless, I think.
889 is a fluff question
987 is a fluff question isn't a fluff question, as per 1047
1047 Wifom-y question, clarifies 987.
1047-1073: Caught breadcrumbs on Iso, but used it to WIFOM. +scum; could be insider knowledge. In particular, there's a disconnect between his play and what he figured out.
1170: States Karn is town but not why. I haven't read this part of the game, but it seems that Karn did die N1, so this is accurate.
Viewing Karn and you as town wasn't analysis? I have also commented on Arcadic, and I'm still uncertain about his reaction. Seppel and Iso both defending him was a point in his favor, though. I don't have solid scum reads yet, but I have done some amount of analysis and am working on scum reads.
Proph asks AGod what AGod has been doing.
I'm 90% sure that AGod never said two words about Proph. CHECK THIS
Regardless, what he said about Karn certainly wasn't analysis. Hell, the only real analysis he did was on Arcadic.
1325 is more self-defense. I think AGod thought he was being a lot more useful than he was.
He states again that he has no scumreads.
[NOTE: I stop reading here and pick up several hours later.]
About 24 hours later he provides his scumlist, but no one is more than leaning scum, which is consistent.
So you are you have the sequence of posts "JeY is sheeping", "JeY isn't sheeping", "JeY is sheeping" and refuse to explain any of those 3 claims. Add in explaining how that is a townie reaction.
This is a good conclusion, nice and vote-worthy, so what does he do with it?
He disappears for about 80 posts and drops it, that's what. On the other hand I think this was around the time Arcadic got confirmed. CHECK THIS
1525 is trying to catch Guardman, and 1596 is along the same thought.
1660: Lays a few weak barns.
1666: I feel off to him, but he's not willing to vote me. Guardman he's also tempted to vote but won't, for some reason.
1668: Clarifies that he doesn't know my town reactions, so won't vote until he looks at my town games.
Things I don't like about AGod:
- The scum-Prophylaxis playstyle of asking a bunch of questions with zero follow-up. This, this, and this are examples from the middle of Day 1.
- The T/S list with both Gifts and AI. Including the same player twice is devoid of thought and therefore not from a pro-town mindset.
- This post. /barn Proph that there should be a vote here, and /barn Arcadic that not calling out specific things makes it seem like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting.
- Says Wheat's offness isn't vote-worthy, then elaborates on why he thinks Wheat is scum. Fencesitting.
In conclusion...:shrug:, I guess he's more likely scum than the average player, but not more likely scum than town.
Asking questions is my playstyle as town, look at USUDM or Redux. That may be a scum playstyle for other players, but I like to get clarification and solid statements that can be attacked or used in later cases.
I said that T/S list was quick and off the top of my head at the time. I actually thought AI had replaced Generic, notice that Generic isn't on the list. I had a scum read on Gifts but thought AI had replaced Generic instead of Gifts. I had been asked for a T/S list and I gave a listing of my current reads. I disagree that the pro-town response to such a question is to suddenly go through and reread the thread to give more researched reads. Town should know what their reads are without needing to do research.
The comments from Proph and Arcadic give the reason for each other. The weakness of the read is why there wasn't a vote. Guardman has been my strongest scum read for a while and my gut telling me to look into Wheat doesn't overwrite that. Maybe someone like Seppel will vote for a weaker scum read, but I don't. I got burned for doing that and voting McD over Proph in 71. The elaboration was there to explain why I was agreeing with JeY's read and what my gut was pointing out to me.
I probably should have voted for Guardman after Arcadic got mostly cleared by the cop claim, but I didn't because I had no idea if Arcadic becoming more town really should elicit a Guardman vote. I think I should have because the primary thing making me not vote earlier toDay was my scum reads on Guardman and Arcadic competing with each other, but it just felt like a weird reason to vote to me.
Warning, warning, self-meta alert.
T/S list I'm not worried about, except that it had 0 reasoning.
Rest is poor.
1794/1800: I'm not a fan of this reaction; feels like he's trying to be overconfident that Gman is flipping scum.
1868: Massclaim will be fun, eh? I forget what he claimed so this should be fun indeed.
My position gives me two passive abilities.
I go first in every mask draft that I participate in; I was the authoritative voice at the start of the first mask draft.
I also have a higher lynch threshold; I don't get lynched at a simple majority.
The Giant's Mask has no ability, although it does have some flavor.
Seppel, I'd rather not clarify the exact mechanic behind my Lynch Threshold increase. What matters for the town is that I will always survive being voted to the normal lynch threshold.
This makes me uneasy.
A few useless posts, and then some fluffy question posts.
Well that's up to the present.
He still doesn't have a second actionable read. That doesn't necessarily feel like something scum would do, and there's also the townie stuff from the start. On the other hand, we do have a scum game to look at; let's see his play in Chimes.
...my God, (my AGod?), this is uncannily similar to this game. Same fluff questions, same lack of reads, a single actionable read the entire game.
I need to see a town game now. I'll take USUDM, since he more or less lasted til endgame in Chimes, making for a better direct comparison.
USUDM: Vote by post 186 (took until 900 in Chimes, 1700 in this game), another by 492, he's posting more in the middle, has plenty of lynchable reads in the back half of the game besides those he votes.
This seems pretty cut and dried. Makes me feel like I don't need to go back and check things.
Someone go back and check the things I put a "CHECK THIS" on, and someone check another of AGod's games to this and Chimes. Because from what I can tell, AGod has a scum meta where he doesn't want to lynch anyone ever, and also posts less. I'm less certain about the post rate, though.
Also I don't feel like going through and proofreading. Take it more or less raw.
I apologize for the length.
Once someone checks up on the things I wanted checked, I feel fine moving my vote onto AGod. I'm just as down to lynch Proph, as well.
@Wheat, I don't know if scum has an ability to knock off masks but that's my ability.
Also, I could see Agod and Proph being scum together, trying to mislynch me by hopping on my claim.
Scum probably do via the list of unclaimed abilities, which was the point. They are by no means the only ones though; I myself have that ability thanks to the Don Gero's Mask.
I didn't look hard at interactions between those two like I should have; all I remember was that AGod said something about Proph implying that he had said something earlier, but I didn't recall him saying something earlier.
...which is actually something that might confirm them as scumbuddies, now that I think about it. I'm going to go eat dinner, but when I get back I'm going to take a look at that.
I don't believe that I've been active lurking. I've been reading along/lurking but have not really been active until today.
I was getting a tiny scum feeling from Stardust until post 141 which felt very strong. Seppel was going back and forth early; I've ended up feeling that he is town. Void gave me a slight scum feeling in the post I responded to and doing a reread made a few other aspects of his posts stand out as potentially scum motivated.
I'm still null on everyone else, besides Silver being confirmed once Iso posts a vote count. There are a few comments that have given me pause, but they don't give any scum/town leaning and I'd rather not discuss them until later in the game.
Before I claim, I'd like the 5 people currently voting me to detail exactly why they think I'm scum/why they are voting for me. Do so in reverse order of this vote list, please. So PG, Caex, Void, Silver, and then Seppel. Once all of you have clearly stated all of your reasons, I will claim.
I did this because I feel that it was a question that can easily trip up scum. Having to provide all of their reasoning in a single post without utilizing other people is much more difficult on someone who doesn't believe what they are arguing. PG passed with flying colors, his explanation sounded incredibly townie to me. Caex's response didn't give off scum or town vibes, which puts it at leaning town in my view. Void dodging it just lines up with the slight suspicions I already had, strengthening my read of him.
Since I'm first, but I don't think it matters if we actually post in order. Your play has been close to non-existant prior to yesterday and whether you're active lurking in plain sight or lurking in the background, you're not scumhunting or contributing to the town, which is scummy. You admitted to following along even though you didn't post. Flying under the radar is something that scum try to do.
I understand exactly where you are coming from with this. The single point I want to make is that I wasn't trying to fly under the radar. I was not actively trying to avoid suspicion, there just wasn't much that I wanted to comment on.
@AtheistGod: Because this post. You couldn't find more waffles if you had three packages of Eggos sitting in front of you. It's absolutely lousy with flimsy language and dithering. Basically everything you say regarding players in it boils down to "He could be town or scum but I'm leaning for X".
My language is like that because that is simply how I talk. My reads at the time were as weak as I was presenting them and I prefer to be accurate in my descriptions. The second post was intended to point at the scuminess of Void's previous post. I could have been more explicit in it.
That's the hope. Frankly, I think you'd better answer them since leading questions are 1) really useful for scum and 2) something you personally used a fair bit in your most recent scum game.
You're not sure of my alignment, but yet you are voting me.
At this point, Void and Cellion are my 2 scum suspects. Celion's posts 243 and 282 reek of scum. I didn't want to distract from my question before I claimed, but now that I've claimed; Vote Cellion.
Comprehensive T/S list (ordered by strength of read):
Town
SilverSihhe: Confirmed PR + almost every post is incredibly townie
pikachugundam: Very strong answer to my question
Seppel: Overall has appeared to be playing from a town mindset
Leaning Town
Caex Kothar: Hasn't shown weakness while under suspicion
Stardust: Has held himself well under pressure
Null
TK-421: Still processing his posts.
Misting: I've gotten both slight scum and slight town reads, not pulling either way
22bebo: No reads
Wheat_Grinder: Has felt slightly off, but nothing definite
Scum
Void: Misrepresents posts and refuses to be part of the town
Cellion: He sounds heavily of scum trying to push any mislynch
The only way you could know that Cellion is going after every mislynch he can is if you are scum. Because only scum knows who the town is. Therefore you are stating that you know Cellion is going after town only.
The way you worded your sentence told me that Cellion was your buddy as well. That is why I asked you about Cellion. Maybe you could try answering the question again or are you happy with the answer you provided?
I'm scum, therefore you are putting words into my mouth? How is that an argument? Your entire argument is based on the assumption that I am scum and you are then trying to explain my behavior on that assumption while using that explanation as proof. Circular arguments don't work.
How does it take a scum to recognize someone that is trying to get a wagon started on any player at all? Read post 243. He's throwing out suspicion everywhere, hoping that something sticks.
Void's post really explained the parts of W_G's play that had me uneasy day 1. I'm convinced that he is scum and am ready to vote if nobody want to say any more.
GR-AGod: He has scum suspects, he actually pushes toward them, he takes offense when someone suspects him as mafia, and he actively pursues people he thinks are scum.
MM-AGod: He has foggy reads, he asks questions that go nowhere, he ignores many questions toward him, and hasn't pushed strongly for anyone's lynch.
I went back and was surprised jut how much I ignore my town reads. Karn was the only one of my five town reads day 1 that I talked about at all. The others being Proph, Seppel, Iso, and JeY.
The actual earliest comment about my town read on Proph was 1323, where I had thought that such knowledge had already been given. Apparently it wasn't.
Viewing Karn and you as town wasn't analysis? I have also commented on Arcadic, and I'm still uncertain about his reaction. Seppel and Iso both defending him was a point in his favor, though. I don't have solid scum reads yet, but I have done some amount of analysis and am working on scum reads.
The only read I had in GR that was less foggy than my reads this game was my read on Cellion. Like really, rereading my null grouping from GR is painful. WG should have been leaning scum and the others should have been leaning town.
GR-AGod: He has scum suspects, he actually pushes toward them, he takes offense when someone suspects him as mafia, and he actively pursues people he thinks are scum.
MM-AGod: He has foggy reads, he asks questions that go nowhere, he ignores many questions toward him, and hasn't pushed strongly for anyone's lynch.
1) Arcadic was outed about 302 posts after that quote: #1625
In that case there is absolutely no reason for AGod not to push on that; that was a good case and he just let it waste away.
And he did it earlier in the game as well. Arcadic being scum seems to fit well with AGod being scum.
2) Oh sweet, here's the only mention of Proph by AGod before the massclaim:
Ha, I knew it!
I bet that it came up in the scumchat (assuming daychat) and AGod misremembered. That would also explain why he remembers saying a lot more about his town reads; he would have posted them in the scumchat as well.
The only read I had in GR that was less foggy than my reads this game was my read on Cellion. Like really, rereading my null grouping from GR is painful. WG should have been leaning scum and the others should have been leaning town.
What questions have I ignored?
I don't know which questions Seppel means (since I only really looked at your posts), but you missed my question that I laid out specifically in a separate post at the end of my analysis on you.
I'll post the question for what will now be the third time.
Why did you want the massclaim? What reason made it important to you?
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I'm a Mask Cop that has his true mask as the Cop Mask. I've been reletively open about the mask cop item if you look back to my day 1 harrasment of Zinger as lying about the Deity Mask's ability. You know how I keep harping on about how Zinger is lying because he doesn't know how his ability actually works? My ability specificly states it will not reveal normal masks, and i have to coax that out of Zinger in the beginning of day 1's mask draft.
I highly dislike this post. How exactly can we test his ability when we have mass claimed? Who can he target that we don't already have info on? How can his ability possibly confirm his alignment now? How are we to determine, for fact, that his is scum or town based on information he should publicly have?
AGod or Proph are still fine lynches and i will vote ether of them cause i am pretty sure they are both scum. I still think that if we can lynch Zinger today, we should, and i highly doubt we are in mLYOL. I still encourage anyone with a shot left to shoot him at will, but it just doesn't seem likely.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I get names and a little bit of flavor surrounding the person.
I can't remember the flavor bits for Arian but TMCT mentioned music.
So if I were to investigate swish if he was still alive I'd get Skullkid and little flavor bits surrounding them. If I were to investigate Jey and she is telling the truth I'd get Rosa Sisters and flavor surrounding the sisters.
I can check for fake claims essentially at this point.
More laterish
Actually you are right, I do remember this specific indication, and if I wanted to simply unvote 1 of my votes I would have to "unvote: player".
I don't have time to read anything tonight, as I have two midterms tomorrow! I'll be done with everything tomorrow night.
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@Wheat: If you bothered to read, you'd know why not.
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Sounds good, you're off the hook.
Also I keep forgetting you're the Bionicle.
Looking back, I see you suddenly being against a lizard lynch without ever stating why. The vote was for reaction purposes, but when you elicited no reaction, there wasn't anything else.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
ERGO HE'S NOT A STRONG ENOUGH SCUMREAD TO KEEP A VOTE ON
It's like you expect a 'guilty until proven innocent' mindset.
Tell me about it. Luckily for Tar, my wife is out of the country until late next week so I will have plenty of free time to get caught up on this game in hopefully just a few days.
Anybody have anything super important they want to tell me?
Good luck, and godspeed.
Also, the link in Seppel's sig is a big deal. It needs updated at some point since we've found out some more information since it was posted, but it's still a pretty good resource to be aware of.
There are parts of Day 1 you can probably skip, but then again I'd appreciate a full read from someone whose slot I have a town read on. Good luck, I guess.
I did not direct that post at you, but thanks for answering questions not directed at you. It's so helpful trying to catch scum when you can't even ask them a question.
I asked you questions you ignored. Answer them.
Show me where i desire the lynch of lizard since he's re-claimed? Learn to read, i know, i forgot, your alibi for not being a town-aligned neutral is that you are too lazy and forgetful to read. My bad.
Would you like to clarify or add anything to proph's claim that he may have omitted? Of course, get it mod approved first.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
No, I'm just expecting better explanations when you're the #1 sheeped player in the game.
Based on the N1 and N2 lists... Arianrhod, LnGrrrR and Zinger2099 are in the "confirmed" section on all. Does this mean they are confirmed non-scum, or am I misinterpreting?
Arcadic, can you point me to Proph's claim? I haven't seen it. It's going to take me a little time to get acquainted to the mask mechanics and whatnot, so if I can look at that, Seppel's list, and the PMs Tar sent me I can cross-examine and see if anything needs to be clarified/added.
Day 1 is the most important imo. A fresh look into the wagons on Guardman and AI on day 2 is also important, since they were so terrible.
@Zinger : I got a non-sarcastic question for you. What is the flavor/reasoning why you can use more than 1 ability a night? Per Rule 34.
<34> Each player may use up to one activated ability granted by their Mask and one activated ability granted by their role per day/night cycle.
Why are you the exception to this rule, what reasoning/flavor is there for this? What's the limit? Can you use all your 1 use shots tonight along with you two mask exchanging abilities?
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Just because we have claimed doesn't mean that we have shared all the flavor in our role. If Lizard got flavor info that was unique, we could have someone towny confirm the ability. (Yes, this wouldn't confirm his alignment, just his ability.)
Also, since you distrust Zinger and don't want to lynch Lizard toDay, I am surprised you didn't think to ask Lizard to check Zinger toDay.
Finally, Lizard said that if flavor copped Majora he would get the "worst possible" result. That means that if Lizard cops Majora, he will find one scum at least. That's more useful than a vanilla.
Of course, the above is all assuming that Lizard is town. But since he is as scummy to me as a few others, then I am ok with not lynching him toDay.
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Day 1 and 2 are must reads just for wagon re-insight. Just take your time, page by page and give us some reads when your done.
Omitted parts of the post that do not relate to the claim, but here it is.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Everything here is correct except for one thing about the Garo Mask. Proph misinterpreted how it worked. It actually does make the targeted player completely unlynchable for that Day. Yes, the wagon does reset if that player gets to the lynch threshold, but if they are lynched again the vote count will reset again.
My apologies if Zinger or someone else already clarified this.
Question: Can someone give me a short explanation on why not everyone drafts a mask each day?
Unique how? Its not like this game has original flavor, anyone with a google could come up with some random flavor that related to each and everyone's current claim. I could do it right now.
I'm well aware of the ability he now has to cop people now that we full-claimed. The problem I have is your terrible logic that a result other than finding scum can somehow prove his ability and alignment.
These lines make zero sense to me.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Masks are glued to people's faces unless an ability shucks them off.
Awesome, thanks.
We don't draft masks each day because we already have masks. Only people without masks for whatever reason draft.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Ask better questions then.
Confirmed non-scum. Also Generic.
Considering that I am a Lego Bionicle, I think it is safe to say that some of us might have unique flavor. And my point is that if Lizard points it at a "confirmed" townie and got a good deal of flavor, then we could have that townie confirm whether Lizard was telling the truth. For instance, I already mentioned it earlier when I claimed, but my flavor talks about the Order of Something or Other. I would expect Lizard to receive this info, and then question him on what he received. In fact...
@TMCT, could you try to confirm that Lizard is telling the truth? Anything you left out of your claim that might be able to confirm Lizard's telling the truth?
And if he finds Majora (which he should be able to give his claim) then he will have found scum.
Re: the "zero sense" line, I have five people as possible scum right now: you, Agod, Proph, lizard and wheat. Considering I am not sure which of this group is scum and which is town, I am fine with any of them getting lynched. That said, since they are all have an equal chance in my mind to come up scum, we might as well not lynch those who could be useful to us. Lynching a VT isn't as bad as lynching a town PR (even a weak PR.)
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I fail to understand why you think that TMCT could possibly be scum.
Also, per your logic, AGod is the safest lynch. I could agree with that. His ability as claimed does literally nothing for the town.
1) TMCT is confirmed town. Behaviorally and mechanically.
2) Lizard has confirmed using his ability on TMCT N2.
3) TMCT will know if there is some specific flavor in his claim.
4) Lizard can confirm his ability by mentioning something from TMCT's flavor that he hasn't mentioned in the thread yet.
This wouldn't confirm Lizard as town, but it would confirm his ability (which would be nice given that he didnt claim fully during the mass claim).
Also, I am not sure how you can say AGod's ability doesn't help town. What are the chances of scum having that ability? I would think it would help greatly as we get closer to LyLo, because it would make him unlynchable.
Can anyone point out a similar ability on scum in any game? (Not counting Iso games?)
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@Seppel Care to clarify what makes dkingsland confirmed?
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Gotcha. I'll get to the meat and potatoes of this in my read, but at least that's a head start.
Also, did we somehow conclude that there are 5 scum or is that a cautious assumption?
I obviously can't evaluate point #1 yet, but I don't think you can confirm TMCT as town based on points 2-4. Don't they just indicate that TMCT and Lizard could potentially be scum together?
I gotcha. I misunderstood you.
We have absolutely no proof of anything regarding LurkerGod that I'm aware of. I'm also not the right person to ask regarding historical examples, sadly -- although I was going to cite an Iso game.
No, he's saying that from #1, #2-4 logically follow.
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I wasn't talking about lizard you numbskull. I was talking about me. From the moment I donned the postman's hat I became a true cop.
Also, why should I bother answering your serious questions if you're going to ask sarcastic ones the other half the time?
I get two abilities every night as does everyone in this game. A personal ability and a mask ability. Abilities that I copied off masks no longer count as mask abilities.
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@DK: It looks like we're looking at 4 now. The "husher" ability was just gameplay mechanics.
@Everyone: Let's lynch AGod.
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Ummmm
It doesn't work that way.
You're being really optimistic with how this flavor bit goes. Flavor is not the important part of the ability?
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Seppel's gunning for AGod, and AGod is easily mislynched. I promised to read him and Seppel is being sheeped a lot.
Let's do this quickly and make sure that the right decision is being made.
In the beginning, AGod was the first to draft. He immediately concerned himself with Zinger, for at least his first 3 posts.
Quick detour because I just spotted this, but who's this Haiiro Sedai guy? Searching...ah, it was GiftsTrix.
Anyway, post 160 is where we'll begin.
Some questioning of Zinger which is more or less also representative of his first two posts.
I see it's mostly about determining what exactly Zinger's info ability is. More or less null, but a little scummy that it's specifically the info ability that Zinger is concerned with.
The thought on the FDM is consistent with others, so null.
He selects Seppel as his target. I'm inclined to give that +town, since I'm 99% certain that Seppel is too concerned about finding scum to be scum, ergo cannot possibly be scum with AGod.
I don't see anything ultimately wrong with this.
This is consistent from reading the OP (which he has stated he has done) but not knowing much about the setup. Assuming there are non-mask scum abilities that knock off masks (which Seppel's analysis points to), this gives ++town. If that analysis is ever overturned, it is less so, but still seems generally townie.
Stands by his reasoning. +town
Isn't doing any scumhunting. -town.
His 322 returns to questioning (albeit, only one), so I'll return the +town.
He wasn't posting much before and now he's not posting at all, oh jeez.
I'm not seeing another post until 771, but I get the feeling that my computer just wasn't loading them quickly. If someone could confirm, that'd be great. Regardless, we'll continue.
His 771 goes hard into scumhunting Arcadic. Without knowing Arcadic's flip it's hard to say with certainty, but his reasoning is strong enough so +town.
But then he immediately doesn't do anything more with Arcadic?
835 is more or useless, I think.
889 is a fluff question
987
is a fluff questionisn't a fluff question, as per 10471047 Wifom-y question, clarifies 987.
1047-1073: Caught breadcrumbs on Iso, but used it to WIFOM. +scum; could be insider knowledge. In particular, there's a disconnect between his play and what he figured out.
1170: States Karn is town but not why. I haven't read this part of the game, but it seems that Karn did die N1, so this is accurate.
1230-1231: Not super helpful.
1319: Discussion of modkill, that's it.
Proph asks AGod what AGod has been doing.
I'm 90% sure that AGod never said two words about Proph. CHECK THIS
Regardless, what he said about Karn certainly wasn't analysis. Hell, the only real analysis he did was on Arcadic.
1325 is more self-defense. I think AGod thought he was being a lot more useful than he was.
He states again that he has no scumreads.
[NOTE: I stop reading here and pick up several hours later.]
About 24 hours later he provides his scumlist, but no one is more than leaning scum, which is consistent.
I do not like this post; anecdotal evidence. +scum
1370 is useless. So are 1376 and 1379.
1399: Questioning Guardman on why Jey and Zinger are the same alignment. I am fine with this; Guardman's theory was kind of out there.
1420: Question Arcadic, looks fine.
This is a good conclusion, nice and vote-worthy, so what does he do with it?
He disappears for about 80 posts and drops it, that's what. On the other hand I think this was around the time Arcadic got confirmed. CHECK THIS
1525 is trying to catch Guardman, and 1596 is along the same thought.
1660: Lays a few weak barns.
1666: I feel off to him, but he's not willing to vote me. Guardman he's also tempted to vote but won't, for some reason.
1668: Clarifies that he doesn't know my town reactions, so won't vote until he looks at my town games.
Let's see if this is corroborated later.
1747: He follows up and starts looking back at my games.
A few posts answering questions about his experience...
1778: Down for a Gman lynch. After nearly 1800 posts, he finally comes to a lynchable read.
Yeah. It took him that long.
1785: Puts his money where his mouth is and votes.
Warning, warning, self-meta alert.
T/S list I'm not worried about, except that it had 0 reasoning.
Rest is poor.
1794/1800: I'm not a fan of this reaction; feels like he's trying to be overconfident that Gman is flipping scum.
1868: Massclaim will be fun, eh? I forget what he claimed so this should be fun indeed.
What was your reason for wanting the massclaim?
2178: Jumps along on for the 5 CTG thing.
2194: Jumps on the LnGrrrR claim.
Not first for either of those.
This makes me uneasy.
A few useless posts, and then some fluffy question posts.
Well that's up to the present.
He still doesn't have a second actionable read. That doesn't necessarily feel like something scum would do, and there's also the townie stuff from the start. On the other hand, we do have a scum game to look at; let's see his play in Chimes.
...my God, (my AGod?), this is uncannily similar to this game. Same fluff questions, same lack of reads, a single actionable read the entire game.
I need to see a town game now. I'll take USUDM, since he more or less lasted til endgame in Chimes, making for a better direct comparison.
USUDM: Vote by post 186 (took until 900 in Chimes, 1700 in this game), another by 492, he's posting more in the middle, has plenty of lynchable reads in the back half of the game besides those he votes.
This seems pretty cut and dried. Makes me feel like I don't need to go back and check things.
Someone go back and check the things I put a "CHECK THIS" on, and someone check another of AGod's games to this and Chimes. Because from what I can tell, AGod has a scum meta where he doesn't want to lynch anyone ever, and also posts less. I'm less certain about the post rate, though.
Also I don't feel like going through and proofreading. Take it more or less raw.
I apologize for the length.
Once someone checks up on the things I wanted checked, I feel fine moving my vote onto AGod. I'm just as down to lynch Proph, as well.
You could check with the mod before you post anything, but I catch your drift.
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Also, I could see Agod and Proph being scum together, trying to mislynch me by hopping on my claim.
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Scum probably do via the list of unclaimed abilities, which was the point. They are by no means the only ones though; I myself have that ability thanks to the Don Gero's Mask.
I didn't look hard at interactions between those two like I should have; all I remember was that AGod said something about Proph implying that he had said something earlier, but I didn't recall him saying something earlier.
...which is actually something that might confirm them as scumbuddies, now that I think about it. I'm going to go eat dinner, but when I get back I'm going to take a look at that.
Here's some selected quotes of town!AtheistGod from Giant Robot Mafia.
Why do I get the feeling that you aren't really voting for your stated reason?[/QUOTE]
GR-AGod: He has scum suspects, he actually pushes toward them, he takes offense when someone suspects him as mafia, and he actively pursues people he thinks are scum.
MM-AGod: He has foggy reads, he asks questions that go nowhere, he ignores many questions toward him, and hasn't pushed strongly for anyone's lynch.
We have a scum AGod.
1) Arcadic was outed about 302 posts after that quote: #1625
2) Oh sweet, here's the only mention of Proph by AGod before the massclaim:
The actual earliest comment about my town read on Proph was 1323, where I had thought that such knowledge had already been given. Apparently it wasn't.
What questions have I ignored?
This is exactly what I was hoping to hear.
In that case there is absolutely no reason for AGod not to push on that; that was a good case and he just let it waste away.
And he did it earlier in the game as well. Arcadic being scum seems to fit well with AGod being scum.
Ha, I knew it!
I bet that it came up in the scumchat (assuming daychat) and AGod misremembered. That would also explain why he remembers saying a lot more about his town reads; he would have posted them in the scumchat as well.
I think this links AGod and Proph nicely.
AGod-Proph-Arcadic scumteam. 3 down, 2 to go.
I don't know which questions Seppel means (since I only really looked at your posts), but you missed my question that I laid out specifically in a separate post at the end of my analysis on you.
I'll post the question for what will now be the third time.
Why did you want the massclaim? What reason made it important to you?