@Tezzeret IUD won't be counter-claimed, he is the other Mason. Go look at Gigas' wagon. kill-joy and IUD are the only ones alive not on it, and kill-joy voted Gigas earlier in the day. His mason partner would literally never vote him, so IUD has to be the other mason. Simple.
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Also, a lot of you are saying that a reason that I'm scum is I've only voted for townies? I'm sorry, do you guys have magical insight into the roles that everybody has? There was also a post earlier that I can't find at the moment about the WIFOMiness of mafia only pushing town.
This is false, and you know it. People are calling you scum because you have been one of the driving forces behind both mislynches, not because you only have been voting townies. This is something you yourself state in the very next paragraph even, so you are trying to misrep peoples arguments against you.
Add this onto pinkys arguments against you, which I see as more very good points towards you being scum.
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Other potential candidates are Scarius and kill-joy. Scarius simply because he has lurked so hard that I can't get a read on him, and at this point in the game, someone who has intentionally posted so little that we can't read him is not someone who is town. It's another one of those "No reason to do as town." things. Kill-joy is kind of a gut thing, nothing really specific I can point to, just sometimes I get an 'overly helpful townie' feeling from him.
Really? Is this it? I've seen how often you're on kill-joy, and all you can say ask is some irrelevant question to this game to avoid getting a prod?
Here's how I see it. You've been lurking for most of today, doing absoloutly nothing because you understand that if we mislynch today, then you win. I'll have another post on you later, but for now vote killjoy. You are lurking like mad, trying to make it past today.
seriously? I can't wait to see your post on me.
Ill say this though. I haven't posted much because I'm behind on hw. I've been contributing to this thread since day one. And I'm online all tge time cuz I leave my comp on at home and I stay logged in on my phone as well.
I await your post on me, which will no doubt day how I'm scummier than scarius, who's been lurking exponentially harder than me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Really? Because I looked at your posts from the Mini game, which are exponentially larger than yours here, particularly over the past few days. And yes, Scaruis has been lurking harder than you, but today's events have changed my mind. You have been an incredibly large force all game long, up until today, which makes me suspicious as to why you've stopped helping the town altogether today. The only logical explanation to me as to why you've stopped working here, but remained highly active in the mini is that you're trying to make it past today without getting lynched.
That game is actually moving and I needed to catch up. But ill come back to this at 330 ish pst cuz that's when off work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Really? Is this it? I've seen how often you're on kill-joy, and all you can say ask is some irrelevant question to this game to avoid getting a prod?
Here's how I see it. You've been lurking for most of today, doing absoloutly nothing because you understand that if we mislynch today, then you win. I'll have another post on you later, but for now vote killjoy. You are lurking like mad, trying to make it past today.
You're making a lot of baseless assumptions here.
The first of which is that just because I'm on doesn't mean I can post. A lot of the time I'm either at work on break or something, in class (we have computers in most of my classes, and during the downtime I usually check these forums), doing hw (I check often while doing itbecause I'm terrible with procrastinating), or occasionally out with friends. I also REALLY hate posting on my phone, so I try not to if I can help it.
The second assumption is that I'm lurking ON PURPOSE. I'm not. My school gives out a decent amout of HW, and I got behind. I just don't understand the subject matter, and there's a lot of numbers and equations involved that aren't clicking in my head.
Really? Because I looked at your posts from the Mini game, which are exponentially larger than yours here, particularly over the past few days.
Like I said earlier, that game is a lot more active. I'll expand this to say that I was putting off rereading that entire game and people had been waiting on it for quite a while. I needed to make a substantive contribution in that game because I really hadn't in a while for the same reason I gave here: HW.
And yes, Scaruis has been lurking harder than you, but today's events have changed my mind. You have been an incredibly large force all game long, up until today, which makes me suspicious as to why you've stopped helping the town altogether today.
So, I'm not understanding how I, who you admit has been EXTREMELY helpful, and who you, Mu, and Pinky have all agreed I'm town, am scummier than Scarius, who has not posted ANY content on ANY day. The most we've gotten out of him is that he's waiting to get reads on people, along with a few votes, and no reasons for anything he does.
I would first like to say, I do not have the time to put up the immense number of posts made by kill-joy that (seem to) help town. He was incredibly active with those during day 1 and 2, but as I’ve said before, my reasoning now is based on his actions today.
Terrible logic here.
Here you are voting Pinkflyod with little to no reasoning, immediately after Dagger posts the votecount.
This is just bad. Asking you to explain yourself makes me scum? Are you kidding me with this?
So you want to kill WWAB because he doesn’t fit on your list?
It's called process of elimination. I had everyone pegged as either town or scum, except him. Logically that put him in the scum column since I was still one scum short.
And I never said I wanted to lynch him. He was third on my list, and that was dependent on not finding someone scummier than him to put in that slot, because I really couldn't read him.
And as for your attack on NightArcher and Scaruis, you were on both wagons too, weren’t you? Hell, you practically lead the Mu wagon.
As were you.
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I had a bit of re-read of somethings and my scum list is:
Nightarcher
Kill-joy
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Kill-joy is kind of a gut thing, nothing really specific I can point to, just sometimes I get an 'overly helpful townie' feeling from him.
In order:
Nightarcher
Scarius
Kill-joy
I don't understand this. Overly helpful town? It feels like you're saying I'm so town I'm scum when I read that, and that doesn't make sense to me.
Finally, I think we need to vote NightArcher, then deal with whoever else tomarrow.
If it wasn't Lylo I would reccomend pressure on Scarius to get him to post. I'm not willing to take that chance until we see what happens when we take out NA, the first scum.
So, FOS NightArcher for now, until we come to a consensus on this.
@Tezz Can you unvote me? We don't want mislynches.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wow. That whole post, and you still didn't give me any actual reasoning here. I haven't been paying attention to your green light, I've never even noticed it on. Plus, you contradict yourself a bunch there. More on that tomorrow, I'm not able to answer that thing completely right now. And as for my hypocrisy's, my main arguement lies on your actions today. And you failed to satisfy me about that.
And no, I won't unvote you. Because you won't get myslynched. We'd actually need people posting here to do that. And I don't want you to get lynched immediatly, I'd like some thoughts from other people first. It would suck to lead a bad lynch on you, and then we lose. But my vote stays. Sorry.
What do you mean I didn't give any actual reasoning?
I'd like to see what you say tomarrow, as well as other people's thoughts on you and me and everything.
Also I'd like you to answer this when you do your post: why am I a better lynch than NA?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You're not. It's just if I get nighkilled tonight (which I think I will), I don't want my opinions not to be heard. But we'll leave it up to the rest o the town. I want more opinions.
I'm actually going to try and do the same. Tuesday is the best day I think for me to do so.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So you want to kill WWAB because he doesn’t fit on your list?
It's called PoE. I don't like when people use it but I don't call it scum or town tell as both factions have done PoE.
Here is what I disagree with
Here's how I see it. You've been lurking for most of today, doing absoloutly nothing because you understand that if we mislynch today, then you win. I'll have another post on you later, but for now vote killjoy. You are lurking like mad, trying to make it past today.
I'm completely disagree with this post.
Scarius is around and posting crap, Wolf hasn't said much of anything and I think NightArcher and Anak are close to tied for post today, which is not much.
Why are you calling out Kill-Joy over the other 3 I just mentioned?
And oh look Scarius fails in providing reasoning, see's Kill-Joy's name and just puts his name on a scum list.
I know where my votes is close to going but I'm still waiting on NightArcher.
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Hmm... Well then, unless somebody cc's you unvote. I'll answer your questions in your post if you would like, but it's irrelevant now, unless of course you're cc'd.
I'd like to point out that I said you shouldn't believe a claim from someone you think is scum, which is true by definition unless you have a real reason to believe it. And yes, you guys are right, I didn't think about the idea that lynching the info role frees the mafia up to kill whomever they want, I was thinking about every time I've seen an info role claimed they end up dead the next day. Especially in a game with no doctor, I just figured it was inevitable.
There could've been a bodyguard or some other protective role.
Also, a lot of you are saying that a reason that I'm scum is I've only voted for townies? I'm sorry, do you guys have magical insight into the roles that everybody has? There was also a post earlier that I can't find at the moment about the WIFOMiness of mafia only pushing town.
This was a pretty feeble defense, to be honest. Very happy with my vote. You were also at L-3 and didn't get quicklynched, which is another good tell.
Really? Is this it? I've seen how often you're on kill-joy, and all you can say ask is some irrelevant question to this game to avoid getting a prod?
Here's how I see it. You've been lurking for most of today, doing absoloutly nothing because you understand that if we mislynch today, then you win. I'll have another post on you later, but for now vote killjoy. You are lurking like mad, trying to make it past today.
I'm more than a little surprised to see that you're voting someone other than NA. I don't know if kill-joy is scum...my guess is no...but either way he's irrelevant compared to NightArcher.
It's called PoE. I don't like when people use it but I don't call it scum or town tell as both factions have done PoE.
Here is what I disagree with
I'm completely disagree with this post.
Scarius is around and posting crap, Wolf hasn't said much of anything and I think NightArcher and Anak are close to tied for post today, which is not much.
Why are you calling out Kill-Joy over the other 3 I just mentioned?
And oh look Scarius fails in providing reasoning, see's Kill-Joy's name and just puts his name on a scum list.
I know where my votes is close to going but I'm still waiting on NightArcher.
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I can't shake the feeling that Scarius is just a new player who's having trouble keeping up and putting together arguments. Talk about an easy mislynch.
Wolf with a Bass was also reading scum to me due to lack of content. Let's see what his replacement has to offer, but I won't be unvoting NightArcher.
I thought IUD was scum until I read the post he claimed to be the other mason. Given that no one has counterclaimed, this means he's town. Given that you are town, could you please read the thread a little bit closer from now on?
Also, what ever happened to the mass claim? It needs to happen before we go voting willy-nilly.
What do you mean I didn't give any actual reasoning?
I'd like to see what you say tomarrow, as well as other people's thoughts on you and me and everything.
Also I'd like you to answer this when you do your post: why am I a better lynch than NA?
Because you didn't. Go read your post again. It's full of you asking them how they think you are scum and you trying to explain why today you are way more lurky than the previous two days. With the other parts, you claim they can't be considered scummy because tezzeret did them too, but that's not necessarily true. None of that is reasoning, and doesn't make you look any better.
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I don't understand this. Overly helpful town? It feels like you're saying I'm so town I'm scum when I read that, and that doesn't make sense to me.
It means you want to prove how town you are by pleasing everyone and trying to be the perfect townie, because you are scum and don't want anyone to suspect you. Again, just vibes.
Yeah, NA and kill-joy are my two picks for lynches today, with NA coming first.
Because you didn't. Go read your post again. It's full of you asking them how they think you are scum and you trying to explain why today you are way more lurky than the previous two days. With the other parts, you claim they can't be considered scummy because tezzeret did them too, but that's not necessarily true. None of that is reasoning, and doesn't make you look any better.
I'm still not seeing it.
I'll wait for tezz to go into specifics about that to see what he means, though.
It means you want to prove how town you are by pleasing everyone and trying to be the perfect townie, because you are scum and don't want anyone to suspect you. Again, just vibes.
Yeah, NA and kill-joy are my two picks for lynches today, with NA coming first.
I guess that makes sense...
I wouldn't think scum could fake town to such a degree though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I can't shake the feeling that Scarius is just a new player who's having trouble keeping up and putting together arguments. Talk about an easy mislynch.
IDK. I don't see it hard to make a case even for a newb. He has 2 suspects and no reason's and it comes off to me as just following the crowd.
I do agree with your thought process on NA.
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Also, what ever happened to the mass claim? It needs to happen before we go voting willy-nilly.
I want NightArcher to claim first if we start mass claiming.
Since you seem to catch up, who else is reading scum to you and why?
Still doing my count down. The only person who hasn't responded to my request is NightArcher at this point.
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If there is a cop in this game with 2 innocents and those players are still alive I would welcome that information. However in my 4 years playing mafia have 2 mason's in the game and a tracker usually means no cop. One thing I did agree with Gigas was that usually on investigation role in a 12 player game is normal. There is always the thought of balance in the game.
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Actually, I think a mass claim is really idiotic at this point. We have no doctor here. If we do have a cop, he probably only has two innocents or he would've come out by now, right? We know who our other mason is, and he's probably dead tonight anyways. The rest of us are just going to claim blue. In fact, even suggesting a massclaim is anti town here. We do this, we could lose our one remaining power role, that we might not even have.
That was before IUD claimed. I don't want to out our cop on the off chance we have one. And if you agree we have no more power roles then why are you still discussing this?
There is no way we have a cop with the roles that have already been revealed. Even if we had one, the only way not revealing them now makes sense is if we go no lynch and hope scum doesn't hit him, giving him another chance to investigate. That is way too many ifs.
I am discussing this because the post before your quoted post has you stating that you never agreed that a mass claim was good, yet you had made a list for the order everyone should claim. Why are you lying at this point in the game?
That was before IUD claimed. I don't want to out our cop on the off chance we have one. And if you agree we have no more power roles then why are you still discussing this?
I said I can't see another investigation role in this game. I don't know if there is another PR in this game or not. There could be and if it clears one player on my list I'm good with claims.
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Wow. That whole post, and you still didn't give me any actual reasoning here. I haven't been paying attention to your green light, I've never even noticed it on. Plus, you contradict yourself a bunch there. More on that tomorrow, I'm not able to answer that thing completely right now. And as for my hypocrisy's, my main arguement lies on your actions today. And you failed to satisfy me about that.
Where did anyone mention my green light? What does that have to do with anything?
And no, I won't unvote you. Because you won't get myslynched. We'd actually need people posting here to do that. And I don't want you to get lynched immediatly, I'd like some thoughts from other people first. It would suck to lead a bad lynch on you, and then we lose. But my vote stays. Sorry.
I can't help but start to feel like you're trying to pull pressure off of NA.
I'm more than a little surprised to see that you're voting someone other than NA. I don't know if kill-joy is scum...my guess is no...but either way he's irrelevant compared to NightArcher.
I'm getting less and less surprised by the day, actually. I agree that the lynch today needs to be NA.
I can't shake the feeling that Scarius is just a new player who's having trouble keeping up and putting together arguments. Talk about an easy mislynch.
That's why I'm surprised scum aren't targetting him. He's beyond easy. If he was town, my guess is scum would be all over him.
Really? Is this it? I've seen how often you're on kill-joy, and all you can say ask is some irrelevant question to this game to avoid getting a prod?
Here's how I see it. You've been lurking for most of today, doing absoloutly nothing because you understand that if we mislynch today, then you win. I'll have another post on you later, but for now vote killjoy. You are lurking like mad, trying to make it past today.
You made the assumption that I could post due to how often I was online. And I responded to that point.
Yeah... okay, same circumstances here kid. And yet I'm posting. And there wasn't a problem with you posting last night, was there?
Obviously not. Maybe it's just because I don't go to a 4 year college, but the homework here sucks. Especially when you fall behind on it.
And the sesson's over now. Finals are today, and I finished the final for the class I had all the homework in already.
So that's your reasoning for posting practically nothing here for the past week? Next!
Yes. Maybe you've never been behind in homework in an accellerated class with one week left to go before?
And if you read the mini to a point before that surge of activity you keep citing, you will see the exact same thing there. They were asking me for stuff which I couldn't provide because I didn't have the time.
Scaruis is not up for discussion here. What we are talking about is how you have suspiciously started lurking here.
You are making a point that I am lurking today. There are several lurkier players that you are completely ignoring. WWAB, Scarius, and IUD are three of them. They've lurked WAY more than me throughout the game. If you want to accuse ME of lurking, you have to explain why the other lurky people are exempt from suspicion on that front.
Great, thanks, any reasoning? No? Next!
What kind of reasoning is there to provide? Yes, I've been helping town. Yes, I've been not as active as I needed to be this past week for reasons given. That doesn't make me scum.
Because I looked over any post of yours with any actual content because that was just you playing helpful townie.
"Playing helpful townie?" That's what town does. Helps the town. You know who avoids helping town? Scum.
You know what doesn't help town? Trying to pull votes from scum. That's what you're doing.
Okay, yeah, now this bring up another arguement. I placed my vote on Mu for pressure alone. You placed it on to kill him,m which was idiotic because he was obviously town. Then left for the week, and you people decided to kill him for no reason.
Oh wait, wasn't it you who hammered?
Scum.
Next!
A lot of people didn't see townie motives in his actions. He was confusing everyone. He also wouldn't answer any of our questions, or even claim at L-2.
His townieness wasn't in any way obvious. In my view, a scum would do what he did as well. It screws up people's reads, and he gave no reasoning for his own reads besides the hat and "because they're scum".
Eh, forgot about that. Wasn't to big anyways. Next!
Scarius is my top scum choice atm. He's been on both of the Town wagons, and was basically the first on each. He has also been lurky and has been playing the noob card HARD. Most people, when noobs (I only recently renounced that description from myself) don't play the noob card that hard. Not that I've seen anyway. Seems like he's trying to excuse his lack of posts with it.
NightArcher is my second choice here. Reasons include that he was also on both wagons, as well as saying that someone claiming an informational PR was useless. This feels like he was trying to set a lynch up for scum today, assuming they decided not to NK him.
Not quite sure about the third.
I can say I think IUD is town because of how long he has had his vote on NA, and if they were scumbuddies, I don't believe his vote would have been on him for so long.
Tezz is town because we've been thinking along the same lines from day 1. He's full of townie motives in my eyes.
Pinky is town, because he just feels town to me. Nothing he's done has sent up any scum alarms.
Anak seems town partially because of his post 460 with his analysis of IUD, who I already said I beleive is town
Unless I miscounted that leaves WWAB, which means he's scum by process of elimination.
By process of elimination, meaning I had everyone else pegged as either Town or Scum. Therefore, his scum-ness is reliant on me not having a read on him and me not getting scum reads on anyone else.
Yep. Gigas seemed scummy, and I was gone when you decided to kill Mu.
Why'd you bring it up, then?
Yes, plenty. How about you reread and actually try next time?
And my vote stands.
Or, how about you try reading a little bit.
That question was to Scarius.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel like I need to step in this and give my view on how I read the back and forth between tezz and kill-joy.
tezz seems to think that kill is intentionally lurking today. Points out his activity elsewhere on the site as evidence.
That's rational thought process.
kill: he explains he's behind in the game and doing catch up.
I don't see what is wrong with this explination.
Tezz: makes some more reason's about his scum call on kill-joy.
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Now you’re trying to get Mu to defend your towniness for when he flips town, therefore making you look better overall.
This one is far reaching amoung everything stated. And I already went into PoE, which I note Anaks seems to be almost doing that but he's using "gut" as reasoning for his 3rd suspect.
Kill: Talking about being online and what not.
Sorry I zone out reading it, I see a bit overexplanation on this but also sense frustration.
Points out the things that Tezz missed and I agree that Tezz looks hypocritical for pointing to Kill-Joy's vote on Sir Mu.
I want my pot kettle picture right now.
the whole green light on/off is really just petty arguing between two people. This is why I don't see the contradiction. I think Kill-Joy explained his reason's for lack of posting here and posting elsewhere. I don't see why this looks scummy. I know I have fallen behind in games and told one game I'm doing catch up, will post here in a few days. I litterally had to put myself on V/LA in two games to catch up in a 3rd for being so far behind. If Kill-Joy was actively lurking every day I would say yeah, tezz has a point but Kill's been pretty active and pointing out his issues most of this game. He aslo had a scum/town list which is more then I can say for some of the players in this game. Yes one is PoE (not a fan of PoE but I have had a few times I didn't have a scum read on a player but felt sure another was town and it was more PoE).
I really don't like Anak's more and more during this. He looks to be following Tezz's logic and looking to push a lynch on kill jumping on it behind tezz.
yes, yes my scum list is looking better and better every day.
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Tezz: I stated that was your biggest issue. I'm saying that I find Kill-Joy's explaination is rational. I honestly don't think he understood what you meant by green light. I saw you say that too and I didn't get it till I realized that people have green lights and it shows they are online. I can see the confusion being new to this site and not realizign the little light under a person's name by the report button.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
After doing a reread and a bit of contemplation, I'm pretty sure that Scarius is noob town. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is all to happy to throw him under the bus. This includes all the scum. Scum are all to happy to set up a mislynch today to win the game, and there is no one not on scarius' wagon (albeit in addition to mine). I'm fairly certain he's town because of this.
This is false, and you know it. People are calling you scum because you have been one of the driving forces behind both mislynches, not because you only have been voting townies. This is something you yourself state in the very next paragraph even, so you are trying to misrep peoples arguments against you.
1. IUD did call me out and say I was only pushing townies, you even directly replied to said post when you defended me on this point. (your post by the way is the one I mentioned earlier but couldn't find) 2. You're arguing semantics. Pushing people and voting people are roughly the same thing. I was the driving force behind those lynches, yes. I was also wrong. When I find someone I think is scum, I'm going to ride them hard because I want them dead, because I think they're scum. So we're back to me voting for the wrong people. Semantics.
Now lets talk about you, scum. Now that I've gone and read back, I've noticed something. You've been on every wagon we've ever had. Anything that looks like it could turn out to be an easy lynch, you've been there, ready to vote. Pinkfloyd, Gigas1, Sir Mu, Scarius and now me. Over the course of 2 posts you even flip flop from defending me to putting me top on your scum list, when it looks like I might be an easy lynch for the day. I'll note you didn't even give the courtesy of explaining your sudden change of heart. For reference:
So, you have been lurking to get reads on people before you go about things? That I can understand. You have been lurking all game, and have no reads? That doesn't sit as well. I am going to give you some advice, to help you get some reads, people aren't going to come out and claim scum, you have to read more in depth that just surface level or a bit lower. Take notes even, that helps some people greatly.
I don't remember NightArcher doing those things, as he says himself. But even so, it isn't really scummy to push all town. As long as he pushed them with solid, town reasoning, then it just makes him wrong. And there is nothing scummy about being wrong about the people you think are scum. If he was being honest and true, but mislynched every time, that doesn't make him scum.
Also think about it from him being scum. He would never just push all town, because scum pushing scum is a great way to gain townie points.
And why aren't the lurkers a good place to start today? We are in Lylo, can't seem to do anything right at this point. They have lurked so much it makes it really hard to read them. I want to change that, and have them get out here. Are you IUD saying that none of the lurkers are scum?
This. Also, that doesn't mean that Sir Mu was right just because he was town either. Honestly I gained nothing from him just because he was all over the place, with no apparent rhyme or reason to it.
Guys, IUD is town. Go look back at the game to find out why, but I don't want to spoil it.
So you voted Gigas for...something. Simply because you weren't going to be around? How did you convince yourself that he was scum to the point that you wanted to leave a vote behind, but can't tell us remotely what that scummy thing was? Then your reasoning for Sir Mu was nothing beyond what anyone else said.
Pseudo-vote Scarius (got to be careful with votes in Lylo)
@Tezzeret IUD won't be counter-claimed, he is the other Mason. Go look at Gigas' wagon. kill-joy and IUD are the only ones alive not on it, and kill-joy voted Gigas earlier in the day. His mason partner would literally never vote him, so IUD has to be the other mason. Simple.
This is false, and you know it. People are calling you scum because you have been one of the driving forces behind both mislynches, not because you only have been voting townies. This is something you yourself state in the very next paragraph even, so you are trying to misrep peoples arguments against you.
Add this onto pinkys arguments against you, which I see as more very good points towards you being scum.
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Other potential candidates are Scarius and kill-joy. Scarius simply because he has lurked so hard that I can't get a read on him, and at this point in the game, someone who has intentionally posted so little that we can't read him is not someone who is town. It's another one of those "No reason to do as town." things. Kill-joy is kind of a gut thing, nothing really specific I can point to, just sometimes I get an 'overly helpful townie' feeling from him.
In order:
Nightarcher
Scarius
Kill-joy
And since I am at the top of everyone's scum list and we haven't gotten the mass claim off the ground, I'll go ahead and claim first.
My name is NightArcher (duh), and my role is town. There is a lot of flavor about a gathering of friends, an attempt to gain insight, 42 other failed seance attempts, acquiring an ancient grimoire. There's more flavor there but I'm not going to list everything off. I'm vanilla.
My preferred claim list following me would look something like this:
After doing a reread and a bit of contemplation, I'm pretty sure that Scarius is noob town. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is all to happy to throw him under the bus. This includes all the scum. Scum are all to happy to set up a mislynch today to win the game, and there is no one not on scarius' wagon (albeit in addition to mine). I'm fairly certain he's town because of this.
Either he's noob or scum. I see no indication of either.
Like I said though, we can wait on him. He's not a pressing matter and we can surmise his alignment later.
Lynching other scum is foremost on my agenda.
My preferred claim list following me would look something like this:
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'll be blunt NA. I noticed the turn around from Anak turn about and I'm looking at it as scum bussing. I saw him defend you and then turn around and be willing to vote you because there is no excuse he had for believe you were town in my view. This is MyLo and I'm looking for tells to see if scum will try and push a mislynch as well. For me it's Anak pushing on kill-joy, scarius and you. If Scarius was town in this then Anak is pushing for the mislynch as scum. He then pushes on Kill-Joy over you again and I find Kill-Joy town.
This comes right back to you and his weak push, without voting for you.
This is why I continue to hold the two of you together as a connection. First you ignore him and now there is pressure I feel both of you are scum together.
I also would like to know if that list is from scum to town and if so why you have kill-joy and weeping willow as respectily #2 and #3 scum suspects.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Incidently I also have the same flavor as tezz and NA, and the Sample PM.
My scum list, following a reread to set it more in stone is as follows:
NightArcher (It really bugs me how he seemed to say that PF claimed an informational role, we shouldn't beleive him because we thought he was scum.)
Scarius (After rereading what he's written, I now see it as there being NO WAY even a newb town would go this long without any real reasoning. That plus his lurkyness reads to me as newb scum.)
The last place is currently open. I want to see something from Wolf at some point really soon. You're general lack of content disturbs me.
Something tells me that Tezz was trying to push a mislynch with his whole thing on me. His logic requires a HUGE jump to a conclusion that I see no logical juncture to.
Not as active as I was the rest of the game =/= outright lurking.
I also don't like Anak's "overly helpful town" thing. I honestly think he made that up.
But my first two stand. I can surmise who else is scum after we deal with one/both of the first two, in my view.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I could see Anak being scum, with the way he's kinda watched from the sidelines and tried to appear "helpful," but I'm not sold enough to move my vote from NA.
My name is pinkys_brian, and I'm Vanilla Town.
No surprise the flavor is the same.
Still leaning heavy on the NA/Anak team here.
I don't see scum pushing for Scarius mislynch, but if Anak is scum I have to wonder if scum would bus in mislynch lose. N/A's defense and if he is scum makes me go back and forth on Scarius.
If I had to lean on a 4th it would be Weeping but it's more on PoE then anything.
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My name is pinkys_brian, and I'm Vanilla Town.
No surprise the flavor is the same.
Still leaning heavy on the NA/Anak team here.
I don't see scum pushing for Scarius mislynch, but if Anak is scum I have to wonder if scum would bus in mislynch lose. N/A's defense and if he is scum makes me go back and forth on Scarius.
If I had to lean on a 4th it would be Weeping but it's more on PoE then anything.
Derp! I forgot Wolf got replaced.
Still stands for Weeping though. More content is a good thing. She's doing better than Wolf did, however.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
My name is Anaklusmos-Vanilla Town, with the same flavor to the previous claimed vanilla townie's before me.
Kill-joy gets a pass for today from me. I am not nearly confidant in my read that I am willing to put the game on it. NightArcher, however, I feel much more comfortable about. His logic about Scarius being town is bad, "Everyone thinks he is scum, so he must be town!" is awful, and reads like one buddy is trying to help the other. Also, I have been on people because they have been acting scummy. So far, every wagon in this game has been legit, and if it wasn't for a bad count of votes where Gigas showed that we were wrong, it would be good. Unfortunately, everyone lynched turned out to town. That doesn't de-legitimize the wagons, or the people on them. By extension, a question. Do you feel the wagons this game have been bad, or the victims of scummy players that wound up being town?
I believed the wagons were legit, so I was on them. What about the other people that were on a lot of them? Did you even look to see if there were other people on a lot of them? Doesn't sound like it. You are just trying to deflect attention off you onto me. That's okay scum, we will know the truth soon.
One week until deadline. At this point my mind is made up. Vote NightArcher
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah, getting that sinking feeling now. Had bad vibes about Tezz, should've known better than to ignore them. Scarius doesn't sound like he's mafia going for the quickhammer though, there is that to take away if somehow we don't lose the game right here.
My heart pounded deep within my chest. My blood rushed to my head as I just lunged.
A snarl.
A crash.
A porcelain vase was hurled across the room and shattered into the head of the person next to me. He went down for the count, something red splattering across my eyes and left cheek.
I scrambled up the stairs, chasing after NightArcher who persistently refused to just die.
There was another scream.
A roar answered back challengingly.
Didn't he see? Didn't he understand? He must die. He must die. For us. For everyone. That is the only way.
My hands reached out blindly and grabbed a table lamp, the nearest thing I could swipe as I thundered up the stairs, hot on the heels of NightArcher. Behind me, there was a cacophony of sounds as more people followed.
In two seconds, we were at the second floor. Still, he was not fast enough. I was faster.
I snarled and the table lamp was arched around in a maddened swing, right at NightArcher's head.
He ducked! He ducked! My eyes widened as a fist was lashed out, faster than I could see and slammed into my jaw. Pain flared and I felt something dislocated. I stumbled backward and fell down the stairs.
More feet thundered past me. More feet jumped over me. More feet stampeded over my body and I felt every bump and slam as I slid further down the stairs.
A glint of metal. An arch of red. And suddenly there was a mass of bodies on the second floor and there were screams.
Screams of pain. Of fury. Of despair and the need to kill and survive.
Why wouldn't he understand that he needed to die?!
I wept. I crawled. My jaw felt numb as I tried to scramble up the stairs on all four, to join the spree.
It ended? Wait, it ended?
The melee had ceased. And there was jubilation. Someone cheered. And laughed. And sobbed in pain.
I felt like crying too. Did we succeed? Tears streamed down my cheeks.
I coughed and hacked, sending rackets of pain up my jaw. And something red splattered down my chest.
I wiped at my face with my hands and then stared at it.
It was not tears. It was blood and I am crying it.
No no no no.
Oh god, no no no no.
The edges of my fingernails started to bleed. Something was gurgling itself out of my throat. My eyes started to feel sticky and gummy. And all I could see was red red red red.
Oh god. Oh god. No no no no.
I clawed my own eyes out.
~~~
Sweet silence.
"You are free. The bargain has been fulfilled."
There was a mocking rasping laughter that rattled at your ear-drums and clawed at something primal within you.
You rejoiced. For you are free. You survived. At the expense of the others, but you survived.
You laughed with joy. Your heart burst with euphoria. After days of nightmare, it had finally ended.
You rushed out of the house, slamming through the door, your companions hot on your heels. It gave no resistance. With each step, you could breathe the sweet smell of freedom.
You are free!
You stumbled to a halt and gasped.
The first thing you noticed was that the moon was red. And impossibly large. And there were two.
Two red moons.
Like a pair of bleeding eyes, staring at you.
Then to your stark despair, you realized that it was a jungle out there. But it was unlike any jungle you had ever seen.
The vegetation were warped and twisted. The trees were monstrous and leering. Thorns and spikes and flowers jagged with yellowed teeth.
In the undergrowth, there were suddenly dozens of eyes, each pair inhuman, abnormal, terrifying, and promised even more pain.
No. No. This was not home!
There was a bargain! You were promised freedom!
"I did. Now be free."
A guttural voice soothed, caressing the depth of your soul like an intimate lover.
"Be free, my pets."
NightArcher, Town Vanilla was lynched Day 3.
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And... the game has ended. I am aware that there are still 4 towns alive against 3 mafioso but at this point of time, everything is just a formality. Since it was made clear that the doctor was dead and everything, the mafiakill is a guaranteed hit. Don't really feel like keeping the suspense going on unnecessarily longer.
The Mafia has won the game with a perfect victory!
Masons: Ability: You have a twin, who is <Mason>. Ever since the initial incident, you have had a chance to speak with <Mason>, and you are beyond certain that <Mason> is Town. During Night, you may speak with <Mason> in this masonchat . Take note that this link cannot be given to anyone else.
Watcher: Ability: You have always had keen senses, with an eye for details. You are a good Watcher. Every Night, you may trail a single person secretly, observing who came into contact with that person, however brief it may be.
1.2. Mafia
Mass PM: Mafia: <Mafia1>, <Mafia2>, <Mafia3> Flavor: There was a voice whispering beneath your subconscious. Of blood craved. Of life hungered. Of soul desired. Sacrifices, it screamed. No, it demanded. Yes, it insisted. And your will buckled beneath the terrifying presence. Suffocating. Overwhelming. Constricting. It offered only one thing in return, freedom. Freedom from this nightmare and madness. Away from it all. Yearn for it. Grasp the offer. Or become part of the ritual, in all but name. And embrace the utter finality and futility of it. Sacrifices. Sacrifices. Sacrifices... Ability: You three had been chosen by the malicious Will. During Night, you must plot, under the cover of darkness, in this mafiatalk. Do note you cannot give this link to anyone else. In addition, you must agree on a single person among you three every night, in which you will send to perform the mafiakill on a single player. The action itself may be submitted within the mafiachat or via PM, by one of you. Win Condition: The Mafia must equal or more than non-Mafia.
Extra Notes:
1. Gigas1 and InUtterDarkness are the Masons.
2. pinkfloyd is the Watcher.
3. Anaklusmos, pinky_brians and tezzeret12 are the Mafia.
4. Spectator group
Also, I really need to sleep right now, so I will just post the post-game thoughts and night action flavors tomorrow instead. Sorry about that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I had been reading this game about halfway into day 1 off and on.
I sort of caught onto Tezzeret being scum, because I've read his town games, and he was acting really carefully as apposed to his "I don't realy care" town game.
Congrats to the others, I wouldn't have guessed on the others
I thought the scum tteam was
Tezzeret
Night Archer
Scarius
I was wondering why Tezzeret was trying to bus his scum buddy so hard at Lylo.
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This is false, and you know it. People are calling you scum because you have been one of the driving forces behind both mislynches, not because you only have been voting townies. This is something you yourself state in the very next paragraph even, so you are trying to misrep peoples arguments against you.
Add this onto pinkys arguments against you, which I see as more very good points towards you being scum.
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Other potential candidates are Scarius and kill-joy. Scarius simply because he has lurked so hard that I can't get a read on him, and at this point in the game, someone who has intentionally posted so little that we can't read him is not someone who is town. It's another one of those "No reason to do as town." things. Kill-joy is kind of a gut thing, nothing really specific I can point to, just sometimes I get an 'overly helpful townie' feeling from him.
In order:
Nightarcher
Scarius
Kill-joy
A deadline has been set, tentatively 14 days from this post.
And the clock starts ticking. The metal bowl hungers. Blood...
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It takes 5 to Lynch with 8 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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seriously? I can't wait to see your post on me.
Ill say this though. I haven't posted much because I'm behind on hw. I've been contributing to this thread since day one. And I'm online all tge time cuz I leave my comp on at home and I stay logged in on my phone as well.
I await your post on me, which will no doubt day how I'm scummier than scarius, who's been lurking exponentially harder than me.
That game is actually moving and I needed to catch up. But ill come back to this at 330 ish pst cuz that's when off work.
Nightarcher
Kill-joy
On Tezz:
[spoiler]
You're making a lot of baseless assumptions here.
The first of which is that just because I'm on doesn't mean I can post. A lot of the time I'm either at work on break or something, in class (we have computers in most of my classes, and during the downtime I usually check these forums), doing hw (I check often while doing itbecause I'm terrible with procrastinating), or occasionally out with friends. I also REALLY hate posting on my phone, so I try not to if I can help it.
The second assumption is that I'm lurking ON PURPOSE. I'm not. My school gives out a decent amout of HW, and I got behind. I just don't understand the subject matter, and there's a lot of numbers and equations involved that aren't clicking in my head.
Like I said earlier, that game is a lot more active. I'll expand this to say that I was putting off rereading that entire game and people had been waiting on it for quite a while. I needed to make a substantive contribution in that game because I really hadn't in a while for the same reason I gave here: HW.
So, I'm not understanding how I, who you admit has been EXTREMELY helpful, and who you, Mu, and Pinky have all agreed I'm town, am scummier than Scarius, who has not posted ANY content on ANY day. The most we've gotten out of him is that he's waiting to get reads on people, along with a few votes, and no reasons for anything he does.
Terrible logic here.
See Post 210 and
Post 213 for details on why I voted PF.
Why did you say I didn't give a reason for it?
I had had my eye on him all game. But you wanna know what I find interesting?
This is 9 posts after mine.
That's not why I did it at all. I asked him why he said we were both confirmed town.
If asking Mu to explain why we're confirmed town is scummy...
Then:
Explain this.
This is just bad. Asking you to explain yourself makes me scum? Are you kidding me with this?
It's called process of elimination. I had everyone pegged as either town or scum, except him. Logically that put him in the scum column since I was still one scum short.
And I never said I wanted to lynch him. He was third on my list, and that was dependent on not finding someone scummier than him to put in that slot, because I really couldn't read him.
As were you.
Any actual reasons?
I don't understand this. Overly helpful town? It feels like you're saying I'm so town I'm scum when I read that, and that doesn't make sense to me.
Finally, I think we need to vote NightArcher, then deal with whoever else tomarrow.
If it wasn't Lylo I would reccomend pressure on Scarius to get him to post. I'm not willing to take that chance until we see what happens when we take out NA, the first scum.
So, FOS NightArcher for now, until we come to a consensus on this.
@Tezz Can you unvote me? We don't want mislynches.
What do you mean I didn't give any actual reasoning?
I'd like to see what you say tomarrow, as well as other people's thoughts on you and me and everything.
Also I'd like you to answer this when you do your post: why am I a better lynch than NA?
I'm actually going to try and do the same. Tuesday is the best day I think for me to do so.
I look forward to your post tomarrow.
I look forward to proving you wrong.
It's called PoE. I don't like when people use it but I don't call it scum or town tell as both factions have done PoE.
Here is what I disagree with
I'm completely disagree with this post.
Scarius is around and posting crap, Wolf hasn't said much of anything and I think NightArcher and Anak are close to tied for post today, which is not much.
Why are you calling out Kill-Joy over the other 3 I just mentioned?
And oh look Scarius fails in providing reasoning, see's Kill-Joy's name and just puts his name on a scum list.
I know where my votes is close to going but I'm still waiting on NightArcher.
fos:Scarius
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As of this post, Wolf with a Bass has been replaced by Weeping Willow.
Votecount
NightArcher (1) - InUtterDarkness
kill-joy (1) - tezzeret12
It takes 5 to Lynch with 8 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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No, we could not recruit.
There could've been a bodyguard or some other protective role.
This was a pretty feeble defense, to be honest. Very happy with my vote. You were also at L-3 and didn't get quicklynched, which is another good tell.
I'm more than a little surprised to see that you're voting someone other than NA. I don't know if kill-joy is scum...my guess is no...but either way he's irrelevant compared to NightArcher.
I can't shake the feeling that Scarius is just a new player who's having trouble keeping up and putting together arguments. Talk about an easy mislynch.
Wolf with a Bass was also reading scum to me due to lack of content. Let's see what his replacement has to offer, but I won't be unvoting NightArcher.
Also, what ever happened to the mass claim? It needs to happen before we go voting willy-nilly.
Because you didn't. Go read your post again. It's full of you asking them how they think you are scum and you trying to explain why today you are way more lurky than the previous two days. With the other parts, you claim they can't be considered scummy because tezzeret did them too, but that's not necessarily true. None of that is reasoning, and doesn't make you look any better.
It means you want to prove how town you are by pleasing everyone and trying to be the perfect townie, because you are scum and don't want anyone to suspect you. Again, just vibes.
Yeah, NA and kill-joy are my two picks for lynches today, with NA coming first.
I'm still not seeing it.
I'll wait for tezz to go into specifics about that to see what he means, though.
I guess that makes sense...
I wouldn't think scum could fake town to such a degree though.
I was wondering about that. I'm all for it.
IDK. I don't see it hard to make a case even for a newb. He has 2 suspects and no reason's and it comes off to me as just following the crowd.
I do agree with your thought process on NA.
I want NightArcher to claim first if we start mass claiming.
Since you seem to catch up, who else is reading scum to you and why?
Still doing my count down. The only person who hasn't responded to my request is NightArcher at this point.
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So what made you change your mind?
@Weeping Willow: I'm still waiting a response to my question above to you.
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I'm waiting to get a more solid read on someone. As soon as that happens, I'll let you know.
There is no way we have a cop with the roles that have already been revealed. Even if we had one, the only way not revealing them now makes sense is if we go no lynch and hope scum doesn't hit him, giving him another chance to investigate. That is way too many ifs.
I am discussing this because the post before your quoted post has you stating that you never agreed that a mass claim was good, yet you had made a list for the order everyone should claim. Why are you lying at this point in the game?
I said I can't see another investigation role in this game. I don't know if there is another PR in this game or not. There could be and if it clears one player on my list I'm good with claims.
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Where did anyone mention my green light? What does that have to do with anything?
I can't help but start to feel like you're trying to pull pressure off of NA.
I'm getting less and less surprised by the day, actually. I agree that the lynch today needs to be NA.
That's why I'm surprised scum aren't targetting him. He's beyond easy. If he was town, my guess is scum would be all over him.
Yeah, it was.
You made the assumption that I could post due to how often I was online. And I responded to that point.
Obviously not. Maybe it's just because I don't go to a 4 year college, but the homework here sucks. Especially when you fall behind on it.
And the sesson's over now. Finals are today, and I finished the final for the class I had all the homework in already.
Yes. Maybe you've never been behind in homework in an accellerated class with one week left to go before?
And if you read the mini to a point before that surge of activity you keep citing, you will see the exact same thing there. They were asking me for stuff which I couldn't provide because I didn't have the time.
You are making a point that I am lurking today. There are several lurkier players that you are completely ignoring. WWAB, Scarius, and IUD are three of them. They've lurked WAY more than me throughout the game. If you want to accuse ME of lurking, you have to explain why the other lurky people are exempt from suspicion on that front.
What kind of reasoning is there to provide? Yes, I've been helping town. Yes, I've been not as active as I needed to be this past week for reasons given. That doesn't make me scum.
"Playing helpful townie?" That's what town does. Helps the town. You know who avoids helping town? Scum.
You know what doesn't help town? Trying to pull votes from scum. That's what you're doing.
A lot of people didn't see townie motives in his actions. He was confusing everyone. He also wouldn't answer any of our questions, or even claim at L-2.
His townieness wasn't in any way obvious. In my view, a scum would do what he did as well. It screws up people's reads, and he gave no reasoning for his own reads besides the hat and "because they're scum".
Noted.
By process of elimination, meaning I had everyone else pegged as either Town or Scum. Therefore, his scum-ness is reliant on me not having a read on him and me not getting scum reads on anyone else.
Why'd you bring it up, then?
Or, how about you try reading a little bit.
That question was to Scarius.
How is he contradicting himself?
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tezz seems to think that kill is intentionally lurking today. Points out his activity elsewhere on the site as evidence.
That's rational thought process.
kill: he explains he's behind in the game and doing catch up.
I don't see what is wrong with this explination.
Tezz: makes some more reason's about his scum call on kill-joy.
This one is far reaching amoung everything stated. And I already went into PoE, which I note Anaks seems to be almost doing that but he's using "gut" as reasoning for his 3rd suspect.
Kill: Talking about being online and what not.
Sorry I zone out reading it, I see a bit overexplanation on this but also sense frustration.
Points out the things that Tezz missed and I agree that Tezz looks hypocritical for pointing to Kill-Joy's vote on Sir Mu.
I want my pot kettle picture right now.
the whole green light on/off is really just petty arguing between two people. This is why I don't see the contradiction. I think Kill-Joy explained his reason's for lack of posting here and posting elsewhere. I don't see why this looks scummy. I know I have fallen behind in games and told one game I'm doing catch up, will post here in a few days. I litterally had to put myself on V/LA in two games to catch up in a 3rd for being so far behind. If Kill-Joy was actively lurking every day I would say yeah, tezz has a point but Kill's been pretty active and pointing out his issues most of this game. He aslo had a scum/town list which is more then I can say for some of the players in this game. Yes one is PoE (not a fan of PoE but I have had a few times I didn't have a scum read on a player but felt sure another was town and it was more PoE).
I really don't like Anak's more and more during this. He looks to be following Tezz's logic and looking to push a lynch on kill jumping on it behind tezz.
yes, yes my scum list is looking better and better every day.
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Can we get back to lynching NA now?
1. IUD did call me out and say I was only pushing townies, you even directly replied to said post when you defended me on this point. (your post by the way is the one I mentioned earlier but couldn't find) 2. You're arguing semantics. Pushing people and voting people are roughly the same thing. I was the driving force behind those lynches, yes. I was also wrong. When I find someone I think is scum, I'm going to ride them hard because I want them dead, because I think they're scum. So we're back to me voting for the wrong people. Semantics.
Now lets talk about you, scum. Now that I've gone and read back, I've noticed something. You've been on every wagon we've ever had. Anything that looks like it could turn out to be an easy lynch, you've been there, ready to vote. Pinkfloyd, Gigas1, Sir Mu, Scarius and now me. Over the course of 2 posts you even flip flop from defending me to putting me top on your scum list, when it looks like I might be an easy lynch for the day. I'll note you didn't even give the courtesy of explaining your sudden change of heart. For reference:
And since I am at the top of everyone's scum list and we haven't gotten the mass claim off the ground, I'll go ahead and claim first.
My name is NightArcher (duh), and my role is town. There is a lot of flavor about a gathering of friends, an attempt to gain insight, 42 other failed seance attempts, acquiring an ancient grimoire. There's more flavor there but I'm not going to list everything off. I'm vanilla.
My preferred claim list following me would look something like this:
Anaklusmos
Kill-joy
Weeping Willow
Scarius
tezzeret12
pinkys_brian
IUD already claimed
I suspected WWAB, but I'm going to give WW the benefit of the doubt until he shows up and posts a little more, that's why he's only 3rd on my list.
Either he's noob or scum. I see no indication of either.
Like I said though, we can wait on him. He's not a pressing matter and we can surmise his alignment later.
Lynching other scum is foremost on my agenda.
Is this also your scum list, from scummiest to towniest?
If so, why am I second?
also i wont be able to post for the next couple of days
This comes right back to you and his weak push, without voting for you.
This is why I continue to hold the two of you together as a connection. First you ignore him and now there is pressure I feel both of you are scum together.
I also would like to know if that list is from scum to town and if so why you have kill-joy and weeping willow as respectily #2 and #3 scum suspects.
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You never answered my question Scarius.
Nobody answer this until the mass claiming is done.
Why shouldn't it? We know the mason, the investigative role is dead already... There's really no reason not to.
More information is not a bad thing, IMO.
I would like to add that the claim should be accompanied with a scum list with reasons. It'll help weed out scum I think.
My name is kill-joy, and I'm Vanilla Town.
Incidently I also have the same flavor as tezz and NA, and the Sample PM.
My scum list, following a reread to set it more in stone is as follows:
NightArcher (It really bugs me how he seemed to say that PF claimed an informational role, we shouldn't beleive him because we thought he was scum.)
Scarius (After rereading what he's written, I now see it as there being NO WAY even a newb town would go this long without any real reasoning. That plus his lurkyness reads to me as newb scum.)
The last place is currently open. I want to see something from Wolf at some point really soon. You're general lack of content disturbs me.
Something tells me that Tezz was trying to push a mislynch with his whole thing on me. His logic requires a HUGE jump to a conclusion that I see no logical juncture to.
Not as active as I was the rest of the game =/= outright lurking.
I also don't like Anak's "overly helpful town" thing. I honestly think he made that up.
But my first two stand. I can surmise who else is scum after we deal with one/both of the first two, in my view.
No surprise the flavor is the same.
Still leaning heavy on the NA/Anak team here.
I don't see scum pushing for Scarius mislynch, but if Anak is scum I have to wonder if scum would bus in mislynch lose. N/A's defense and if he is scum makes me go back and forth on Scarius.
If I had to lean on a 4th it would be Weeping but it's more on PoE then anything.
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Derp! I forgot Wolf got replaced.
Still stands for Weeping though. More content is a good thing. She's doing better than Wolf did, however.
yeah i am, i didnt think that it would be best to post up here why i couldnt post as i wasnt sure on what would be said, but stuff it...
i couldnt post over the last few days as a mate of mine had been killed whilst in afghanistan...
@kill joy, whats your question?
i am vanilla town,
my scum list is
night archer.
i haven been reading though his posts and i just cant shake the feeling that he is scum
Sorry about your mate.
My question was: Why did you have my as scum on your list?
Kill-joy gets a pass for today from me. I am not nearly confidant in my read that I am willing to put the game on it. NightArcher, however, I feel much more comfortable about. His logic about Scarius being town is bad, "Everyone thinks he is scum, so he must be town!" is awful, and reads like one buddy is trying to help the other. Also, I have been on people because they have been acting scummy. So far, every wagon in this game has been legit, and if it wasn't for a bad count of votes where Gigas showed that we were wrong, it would be good. Unfortunately, everyone lynched turned out to town. That doesn't de-legitimize the wagons, or the people on them. By extension, a question. Do you feel the wagons this game have been bad, or the victims of scummy players that wound up being town?
I believed the wagons were legit, so I was on them. What about the other people that were on a lot of them? Did you even look to see if there were other people on a lot of them? Doesn't sound like it. You are just trying to deflect attention off you onto me. That's okay scum, we will know the truth soon.
One week until deadline. At this point my mind is made up. Vote NightArcher
If worst comes to worst, he can address them tomarrow, when we don't have a deadline so close.
Vote NightArcher
@Anaklusmos: how is it that I am scum?
Fingers crossed that NA is really scum.
NightArcher (5) - InUtterDarkness, Anaklusmos, kill-joy, Scarius, tezzeret12
It takes 5 to Lynch with 8 alive.
As of this post, NightArcher has been lynched.
~~~
tick.
My heart pounded deep within my chest. My blood rushed to my head as I just lunged.
A snarl.
A crash.
A porcelain vase was hurled across the room and shattered into the head of the person next to me. He went down for the count, something red splattering across my eyes and left cheek.
I scrambled up the stairs, chasing after NightArcher who persistently refused to just die.
There was another scream.
A roar answered back challengingly.
Didn't he see? Didn't he understand? He must die. He must die. For us. For everyone. That is the only way.
My hands reached out blindly and grabbed a table lamp, the nearest thing I could swipe as I thundered up the stairs, hot on the heels of NightArcher. Behind me, there was a cacophony of sounds as more people followed.
In two seconds, we were at the second floor. Still, he was not fast enough. I was faster.
I snarled and the table lamp was arched around in a maddened swing, right at NightArcher's head.
He ducked! He ducked! My eyes widened as a fist was lashed out, faster than I could see and slammed into my jaw. Pain flared and I felt something dislocated. I stumbled backward and fell down the stairs.
More feet thundered past me. More feet jumped over me. More feet stampeded over my body and I felt every bump and slam as I slid further down the stairs.
A glint of metal. An arch of red. And suddenly there was a mass of bodies on the second floor and there were screams.
Screams of pain. Of fury. Of despair and the need to kill and survive.
Why wouldn't he understand that he needed to die?!
I wept. I crawled. My jaw felt numb as I tried to scramble up the stairs on all four, to join the spree.
It ended? Wait, it ended?
The melee had ceased. And there was jubilation. Someone cheered. And laughed. And sobbed in pain.
I felt like crying too. Did we succeed? Tears streamed down my cheeks.
I coughed and hacked, sending rackets of pain up my jaw. And something red splattered down my chest.
I wiped at my face with my hands and then stared at it.
It was not tears. It was blood and I am crying it.
No no no no.
Oh god, no no no no.
The edges of my fingernails started to bleed. Something was gurgling itself out of my throat. My eyes started to feel sticky and gummy. And all I could see was red red red red.
Oh god. Oh god. No no no no.
I clawed my own eyes out.
~~~
Sweet silence.
"You are free. The bargain has been fulfilled."
There was a mocking rasping laughter that rattled at your ear-drums and clawed at something primal within you.
You rejoiced. For you are free. You survived. At the expense of the others, but you survived.
You laughed with joy. Your heart burst with euphoria. After days of nightmare, it had finally ended.
You rushed out of the house, slamming through the door, your companions hot on your heels. It gave no resistance. With each step, you could breathe the sweet smell of freedom.
You are free!
You stumbled to a halt and gasped.
The first thing you noticed was that the moon was red. And impossibly large. And there were two.
Two red moons.
Like a pair of bleeding eyes, staring at you.
Then to your stark despair, you realized that it was a jungle out there. But it was unlike any jungle you had ever seen.
The vegetation were warped and twisted. The trees were monstrous and leering. Thorns and spikes and flowers jagged with yellowed teeth.
In the undergrowth, there were suddenly dozens of eyes, each pair inhuman, abnormal, terrifying, and promised even more pain.
No. No. This was not home!
There was a bargain! You were promised freedom!
"I did. Now be free."
A guttural voice soothed, caressing the depth of your soul like an intimate lover.
"Be free, my pets."
NightArcher, Town Vanilla was lynched Day 3.
~~~
And... the game has ended. I am aware that there are still 4 towns alive against 3 mafioso but at this point of time, everything is just a formality. Since it was made clear that the doctor was dead and everything, the mafiakill is a guaranteed hit. Don't really feel like keeping the suspense going on unnecessarily longer.
The Mafia has won the game with a perfect victory!
Congratulations to them.
Setup and thoughts coming in awhile.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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9 Town (2 Masons, 1 Watcher) – 3 Mafia
1.1. Town
Masons:
Ability: You have a twin, who is <Mason>. Ever since the initial incident, you have had a chance to speak with <Mason>, and you are beyond certain that <Mason> is Town. During Night, you may speak with <Mason> in this masonchat . Take note that this link cannot be given to anyone else.
Watcher:
Ability: You have always had keen senses, with an eye for details. You are a good Watcher. Every Night, you may trail a single person secretly, observing who came into contact with that person, however brief it may be.
1.2. Mafia
Mass PM:
Mafia: <Mafia1>, <Mafia2>, <Mafia3>
Flavor: There was a voice whispering beneath your subconscious. Of blood craved. Of life hungered. Of soul desired. Sacrifices, it screamed. No, it demanded. Yes, it insisted. And your will buckled beneath the terrifying presence. Suffocating. Overwhelming. Constricting. It offered only one thing in return, freedom. Freedom from this nightmare and madness. Away from it all. Yearn for it. Grasp the offer. Or become part of the ritual, in all but name. And embrace the utter finality and futility of it. Sacrifices. Sacrifices. Sacrifices...
Ability: You three had been chosen by the malicious Will. During Night, you must plot, under the cover of darkness, in this mafiatalk. Do note you cannot give this link to anyone else. In addition, you must agree on a single person among you three every night, in which you will send to perform the mafiakill on a single player. The action itself may be submitted within the mafiachat or via PM, by one of you.
Win Condition: The Mafia must equal or more than non-Mafia.
Extra Notes:
1. Gigas1 and InUtterDarkness are the Masons.
2. pinkfloyd is the Watcher.
3. Anaklusmos, pinky_brians and tezzeret12 are the Mafia.
4. Spectator group
Also, I really need to sleep right now, so I will just post the post-game thoughts and night action flavors tomorrow instead. Sorry about that.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I sort of caught onto Tezzeret being scum, because I've read his town games, and he was acting really carefully as apposed to his "I don't realy care" town game.
Congrats to the others, I wouldn't have guessed on the others
I thought the scum tteam was
Tezzeret
Night Archer
Scarius
I was wondering why Tezzeret was trying to bus his scum buddy so hard at Lylo.
scumbag
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