Heh...kinda funny. I remember being excited that Highroller and 'sparrow were in the game, because I'd never gotten to play with them before, but then being dissapointed that Hvir, for some reason, wasn't included. Shoulda known.
Oh yeah, hey Az, are we getting MVPs?
And for sake of completeness, did Dwight actually die?
IF: RafK gets AS lynched and makes his haha post during twilight, he gets ambushed by Hilv the next day? and mafia loses? (Since Rhino cant kill). Might that have happened?
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3.The town got really unlucky when Hawkeye accidentally posted his night actions to the thread, instead of PMing them. That revealed Bateleur's identity, allowing him to be killed.
He did?
We didn't notice.
Well, I didn't notice, and no-one mentioned it in PMs.
We made a rather concerted effort to not have people analyze too deeply, at least once JCS went down. It should have been blatantly obvious that I'd been working with JCS and cp the whole game, other than that frog-on-a-hot-log comment I kept making. I figured that a catchphrase might be more memorable than all the times I agreed with him
I have no idea why cp made hawkeye vote for me. cp told us he didn't know what the deal was with the voting/unvoting, although we didn't believe him. the mafia spent quite a lot of time sending messages beginning with "WOLG is not receiving this" or "cp is not receiving this". For all I know, the others were sending messages saying "Raf is not receiving this". Don't underestimate mafia in-fighting as a balancing factor.
Who killed fadeblue? Did he suicide, or did CF get him?
Yes, Hawkeye was done by WOLG. We had WOLG attack matjoe, but Hawkeye intercepted it. We were suspicious for quite a while that WOLG was the SK.
IF: RafK gets AS lynched and makes his haha post during twilight, he gets ambushed by Hilv the next day? and mafia loses? (Since Rhino cant kill). Might that have happened?
No. If Rhino had decided I was the scum and joined in to lynch AS, it was game over, 2 scum vs 2 neutrals.
If I'd done a ha-ha post after RHINO was lynched, then yes, Hvir comes out today and Axelrod gets to to choose who wins. Probably me, I don't think he liked Hvir's presence very much
As it turns out, if paranoia hasn't got the better of me, I could have turned AS and won a bit easier.
Initially, I chose Raf as the target as a WIFOM tactic. I didn't have any choice in the matter, and I didn't like having to do it, but since I had to target someone, I was going to try to make it look as hostile as possible.
That strategy continued through the next night, but I felt like it was backfiring. Raf was drawing a lot of attention at that point, and I didn't feel like it was a good idea to keep bringing him up in people's minds.
Later on, I was worried about the reaction of the rest of the mafia if they realized I'd been lying to them, so I just acted like I had no idea, and it must be a mod-inspired effort to draw attention to the roleblocks that I didn't know about. I targeted CC in an effort to enhance that thought in their minds.
In reality, it didn't really matter, though. As far as I can tell, the only actual use my ability had was in the extremely late game, where I could theoretically force a person to vote after several people were already on a bandwagon. It would have been fun, but I didn't live that long.
Speaking of which, it was driving me nuts that I was under suspicion at the end of the game primarily for reasons that were entirely invalid. I had it all set up to prove the whole town wrong on Day 7 (I think?), but Raf chose to lynch me instead. If Raf had just followed the plan, D_M would have been lynched, because there would have been no other logical possibility other than that he was scum. I had my case all nicely developed. The mafia would have won much earlier, and with much less risk.
Things I don't understand after I died: WHY did you kill D_M instead of Rhino? While it worked out very nicely in the end, what inspired that? It seemed like a huge unnecessary risk to me. Also, why didn't you keep up the attack on AS? Even as a townie, if you knew that AS was scum (which you claimed was the case), you ought to have gone after him. There was reason to believe that Rhino couldn't nightkill, so he was a lower priority target. It was the win-win choice, and Hvir's interference would never have mattered.
Considering the unbelievably unbalanced headstart the mafia got at the beginning of the game, I'm disappointed that it had to go down to the wire for a win. We had bad luck with jcs' bluff, but otherwise, we ought to have won hands down, no contest. We made a huge number of mistakes late in the game, and we only won out of pure luck.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Well, I didn't notice, and no-one mentioned it in PMs.
*shrugs* I just thought it was awfully coincidental. And there were at least a couple people who PMed me about it, who noticed it.
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We made a rather concerted effort to not have people analyze too deeply, at least once JCS went down. It should have been blatantly obvious that I'd been working with JCS and cp the whole game, other than that frog-on-a-hot-log comment I kept making. I figured that a catchphrase might be more memorable than all the times I agreed with him
I have no idea why cp made hawkeye vote for me. cp told us he didn't know what the deal was with the voting/unvoting, although we didn't believe him. the mafia spent quite a lot of time sending messages beginning with "WOLG is not receiving this" or "cp is not receiving this". For all I know, the others were sending messages saying "Raf is not receiving this". Don't underestimate mafia in-fighting as a balancing factor.
Who killed fadeblue? Did he suicide, or did CF get him?
Yes, Hawkeye was done by WOLG. We had WOLG attack matjoe, but Hawkeye intercepted it. We were suspicious for quite a while that WOLG was the SK.
Fadeblue was killed by CF. I may be misremembering the movie, but I think Kevin may have poisoned Wendy, and that's where I pulled the MO from.
I should have specifically apologized to Bateleur for causing his death. Sorry Bat. It should never have happened and I'm sorry.
I had a great time playing in this game.
After I got killed with shuriken by WoLG I was not able to get on line soon enough to make a last post. This was it and was the one I liked the most.
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Shuriken?
Wow, I ain’t seen shuriken since that one night in Old Town. You didn’t even see her move and neither did the punk with the big mouth. You didn’t even know what hit him till he hit the ground and they found three shuriken in the back of his throat. He had that wide eyed look of surprise and incomprehension froze on his face. Probably wondering what that taste was as he fell.
Well, you know what hit you, don’t you Hawk. No Doc or even his kid to save your bacon this time. At least they didn’t get Hartigan, not today anyway.
Not today.
Dying a noble and tragic death in the line of preforming your duty.
What more could an old police academy wash out and two bit body guard ask for?
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No. If Rhino had decided I was the scum and joined in to lynch AS, it was game over, 2 scum vs 2 neutrals.
If I'd done a ha-ha post after RHINO was lynched, then yes, Hvir comes out today and Axelrod gets to to choose who wins. Probably me, I don't think he liked Hvir's presence very much
As it turns out, if paranoia hasn't got the better of me, I could have turned AS and won a bit easier.
You showed great restraint there man. I know id have trouble resisting a Ha-Ha vote after the "Twilight" seen where Rhino got lynched. And that would've killed you (All Hilv would have to do is wait toward eventually Axel voted you (and he would eventually to try and end the day) and step in and vote you with him. Axel wouldnt have a choice in the matter unless he wanted to commit suicide.)
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There's one thing I just don't understand: carrion, why did you let the false cop die?
I personally think six anti-towns in a game of 24 people was too much, but considering how close the game was, and how little of a role the inspector played, I'd say the balance was pretty damn well tuned.
Mafia MVP: Rafaelk. Honorable Mention to Fadeblue, who played a tight game and salvaged the situation with Carrion Pigeons very adeptly, nearly resulting in an overwhelmingly fast mafia win, until C_F interefered.
Town MVP: Crippled_Fist. Seriously. This guy identified and killed more scum than any of the rest of the townies were able to, and he's the primary reason the town survived as long as it did. Excellent work, and very well-played from the perspective of a SK, and a townie.
Yeah, we chose to kill bateleur a few days before the day actually ended. Nothing to do with Hawkeye. You don't need to feel guilty about it Hawkeye, just a coincidence.
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Not the best turn of events, perhaps, but not the worst by far. If Puzzle doesn't get vigged, the town will have to waste a whole other day voting for him! If only we had a doctor to protect him.
I say we kill Bateleur.
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Excellent choice. I wonder if Puzzle realizes how much he's helping the mafia with his actions?
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I'm going to assume you didn't write that last post, jcs. Do you have a lot of interest in making it clear that Dark Horse and this guy are not the same? Because you could easily do nothing, and we could kill off HR instead of bateleur. It would teach April (or whoever it is) not to be so revealing, anyway, which would help us in the long run.
Or it's possible that HR will get protected now, too, so maybe that's a bad idea. Probably best to just stick with bat.
On another point, has armlx decided anything yet? Who are we planning on roleblocking?
Wow, what a crazy game. Wish I couldve actually been in this one (darn trip to argentina... o wait, nvm, Im fine with the Arg :-D ). It was interesting to see how Chamber and SG played out the role. There were some moves they made that I disagreed with, but hey.
My biggest reaction upon seeing the roles was "WHAT??? Chamber and SG were millers???". Could you imagine how bad it wouldve been if they had been cop investigated? No way that they wouldve survived, and then that wouldve wasted 2 town lynches.
Wow, what a crazy game. Wish I couldve actually been in this one (darn trip to argentina... o wait, nvm, Im fine with the Arg :-D ). It was interesting to see how Chamber and SG played out the role. There were some moves they made that I disagreed with, but hey.
My biggest reaction upon seeing the roles was "WHAT??? Chamber and SG were millers???". Could you imagine how bad it wouldve been if they had been cop investigated? No way that they wouldve survived, and then that wouldve wasted 2 town lynches.
Yeah, I suspected we were millers too, but I didn't want to say so to the town, I was afraid of what they would do.
Yeah, we chose to kill bateleur a few days before the day actually ended. Nothing to do with Hawkeye. You don't need to feel guilty about it Hawkeye, just a coincidence.
Mmm k. My apologies to Hawkeye for making him feel guilty, then.
And I'd like to renominate him for the best role-playing award. I thoroughly enjoyed his PMs and posts: they were a wonderful addition to the game.
As far as I can tell, the only actual use my ability had was in the extremely late game
I think it was intended as a drawback, since it signalled your roleblocks and made it harder for us to fake (and caused you to not actually roleblock people later).
Speaking of which, it was driving me nuts that I was under suspicion at the end of the game primarily for reasons that were entirely invalid.
Yes, you told me I thought it was funny too. The entire last few days was a laugh riot.
I had it all set up to prove the whole town wrong on Day 7 (I think?), but Raf chose to lynch me instead. If Raf had just followed the plan, D_M would have been lynched, because there would have been no other logical possibility other than that he was scum. I had my case all nicely developed. The mafia would have won much earlier, and with much less risk.
This is where I disagree. I thought you were SCREWED. I lurked a bit (although the bit about not getting a pm on time was true), and the only person not voting for you was aurorasparrow. If I'd gone for Axelrod, it would have been a bet as to whether AS changed sides before anyone else did, since if I was left there voting for Axelrod with you I would have been gone too. I figured I would still win the next day, and I was kind of right although not without some adventures.
Things I don't understand after I died: WHY did you kill D_M instead of Rhino? While it worked out very nicely in the end, what inspired that?
Three things.
1. If I kill Rhino and lynch DM, Axelrod will hide so I have to try to kill AS. You know I was paranoid all game that AS was hiding a retaliation or protection ability.
2. I wasn't sure I could get DM lynched anyway given that I hadn't been able to already and other reasons (long and irrelevant at this point).
3. I thought Axelrod would be a gimme lynch anyway with DM dead.
It seemed like a huge unnecessary risk to me. Also, why didn't you keep up the attack on AS? Even as a townie, if you knew that AS was scum (which you claimed was the case), you ought to have gone after him. There was reason to believe that Rhino couldn't nightkill, so he was a lower priority target. It was the win-win choice, and Hvir's interference would never have mattered.
Um... I don't know if you noticed, but Rhino thought AS was scum and wouldn't have voted for him. Continuing the attack on AS would have made AS vote for me and me die. The other option I had was to come out as scum and try to convince Rhino to shift his vote. I didn't think that would work.
Considering the unbelievably unbalanced headstart the mafia got at the beginning of the game, I'm disappointed that it had to go down to the wire for a win. We had bad luck with jcs' bluff, but otherwise, we ought to have won hands down, no contest. We made a huge number of mistakes late in the game, and we only won out of pure luck.
Kind of. I think we played better at the end than you think (I'm biased. Shoot me.)
We screwed up in the middle a lot. Your attack on fadeblue was required by your role but your failure to tell the rest of us in advance really, really sucked since we couldnt set up for it and didn't get the chance to use fade's extra kill (hence I tried to have you modkilled). And fade forgot to put in our kill night 3, and you missed our roleblock on matjoe (though that turned out well), and you went ahead and claimed to have blocked WOLG on a night he did the kill, which happily no-one picked up on except me and JCS (and, it turned out, Azrael).
And the Manute claim, which was unnecessary and drew lots of suspicion.
Anyway, all of that came home to roost late in the game, but the mistakes were made in the middle. The town didn't play too badly for a lot of it, most of them were pretty close, they just didn't have the whole story- mostly because some of the dumb stuff we did made NO SENSE (ie. missing a kill while we were all active, carrion and fade).
No kidding. It was really my bad about the kill; I didn't realize the night deadline was coming up so soon, and we hadn't completely finished our discussion about the night choices.
And I have to say: I was very disappointed to find myself daykilled after I felt I had successfully deflected cp's attack (though I couldn't convince CF ;)). All I wanted was to at least survive to the night to get my extra kill in (at least to compensate for the missed kill), and I was well prepared to sacrifice myself the next day after that.
cp: I was rather confused by your claim of Manute. That seemed to me a bad idea given that you were pretty clear before that, and the Manute claim just instantly puts your entire claim in doubt.
In any case, very well done, Raf I'm glad you were the last of us standing, since you clearly played the town role better than the rest of us.
Good game, everyone. Also, for town MVP I would actually nominate CropCircles. The town shoulda paid wayyyy more attention to him.
Yeah; technically we killed him because we had to do it before we could kill matjoe or highroller, but we also wanted to shut him up. Mind you, he was on the right people for the wrong reason to some extent, but as carrion pigeons proves, that doesn't always matter. cp outing fade to protect dm! So, so funny to read that theory....
Oh, and the person I really want to hear from is CF. He had us vexed all game, and we really only tracked him down by process of elimination. I'd love to know whether he was right about the alignment of all the people he killed.
Finally, big apologies to fadeblue for the amount of times he had to merge my posts this game because I couldn't do what I just did to this post- EDIT!
I won't argue with you about the rest of it, though I disagree on some points. I think you missed a vital point when it came to D_M, though.
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This is where I disagree. I thought you were SCREWED. I lurked a bit (although the bit about not getting a pm on time was true), and the only person not voting for you was aurorasparrow. If I'd gone for Axelrod, it would have been a bet as to whether AS changed sides before anyone else did, since if I was left there voting for Axelrod with you I would have been gone too. I figured I would still win the next day, and I was kind of right although not without some adventures.
The whole point here was that there were two possibilities: either Axel is flat wrong about all his assumptions, and I am therefore under no suspicion, or else D_M is scum. This was a very easy case to make. The point wasn't that I could clear myself or anything like that, but I gave you every out to just wait for me to respond to your post. That was all you had to do, and I could have all but proven that D_M was scum. And the mafia would have won much more easily.
Given that I made this clear to you, both in the thread and out of it, I was incredibly disappointed that you didn't give me one chance to defend myself.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I was also very confused CP.....why the Manute claim? You had the town wrapped up till that claim. If you just claim another role (like JC did, Lucille, smart), then you probably survive... You didnt even need a named role too!
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Rhino: I had figured you would claim Old Geezer (which is exactly what I would have done). However, I was going to reveal myself at some point by getting chamber or SorryGuy to confirm that I was the vote forcer (specifically by saying "Be careful on the john...but you already knew that...").
The whole point here was that there were two possibilities: either Axel is flat wrong about all his assumptions, and I am therefore under no suspicion, or else D_M is scum. This was a very easy case to make.
If Axel was flat wrong, that would also suggest he was wrong on DM. An argument that DM was scum suggested Axel was right about you (yes, I know it was stupid, but it as believable). The only case we had was that AXEL was scum (and after all, you and aurora were voting for Axel, not DM).
I think you missed how much suspicion you were under, especially as Axelrod was pulling new stuff out every post. The Manute claim was poison- all of that flavour text about torture and being forced to do things and so forth was linking straight back to you. I thought it was only a matter of time before they dug up the roleblock point too which was a real finisher. It wasn't just the idea you were protecting DM, it was also the fact that things made much more sense if you were the mafia roleblocker and you did the torturing and you were on the opposite side to Dwight and Hartigan and so on.
I claimed Manute mostly because I had backed myself into a corner. Like I said in the thread, I actually didn't realize just how bad Manute was supposed to be, though, which was a big part of it.
I claimed a named character early in the game, so that limited my options. I also claimed a character with an "inconvenient" name. The latter I did because I was sure that Axel was the SK, and I wanted him dead. I figured if I counterclaimed him, the town would believe me and lynch him. But Axel actually came up with a role that made me doubt myself, so I claimed something else. Really bad move on my part; I should have just stuck to my guns. Would have saved me a lot of trouble, even if it had got me killed in the end.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Wow.. people stop osting so I can stop writing and post something.
1) This game, or at least this setup, needs to be preserved as an example of a very, very well made mafia game. Super congrats to Azrael.
2) On day 6 (6 people left), I was looking to put the finishing vote on a townie and post that I was the traitor, but cp got lynched while I was gone. My lame hint was "I would crack in a second under torture," post 1534 (I dont think hiding the word TRAITOR in a message is a good idea).
3) Raf played us big time.
4) how much did the mafia being able to talk during the day help you out? to me, it seems ridiculously powerful.
5) why did you neutrals just give up? that really hurt the town. so did the people arguing that neutral = anti-town... thats when I started suspecting fadeblue. fade's too smart for that.
6) I was ready to win. I knew I would never get lynched, and being a confirmed townie made me a good mafia target.. but it didnt come through. Lame.
7) I always was ready for sorryguy to possibly be mfia, but not rafk. dunno why.
Im sure Ill post more, but really, really, good game to al involved.
If Axel was flat wrong, that would also suggest he was wrong on DM. An argument that DM was scum suggested Axel was right about you (yes, I know it was stupid, but it as believable). The only case we had was that AXEL was scum (and after all, you and aurora were voting for Axel, not DM).
I think you missed how much suspicion you were under, especially as Axelrod was pulling new stuff out every post. The Manute claim was poison- all of that flavour text about torture and being forced to do things and so forth was linking straight back to you. I thought it was only a matter of time before they dug up the roleblock point too which was a real finisher. It wasn't just the idea you were protecting DM, it was also the fact that things made much more sense if you were the mafia roleblocker and you did the torturing and you were on the opposite side to Dwight and Hartigan and so on.
I was voting for Axel because I couldn't act like I had a reason to vote for D_M until you posted.
I REALIZE that I was under a lot of suspicion, but given the choice between someone who HAS to be mafia, or someone who only is very likely to be mafia, who do you think the town is going to go for? I only had to survive the one night, and it would have all become irrelevant.
Here's what would have happened. You post, claiming the roleblock. Then it becomes obvious to D_M that the mafia must be using multiple abilities each, while the rest of the town has either that possibility or the possibility that D_M has been lying the whole game. D_M instantly loses his suspicion of me, since I am his only suggestion of towniness. I unvote Axel, who unvotes me in sudden (and necessary) doubt. I make a case that if I'm scum, D_M must be scum, but if I'm not scum, D_M is still almost definitely scum. Town has exactly zero reason not to believe me, and they lynch D_M, who's protesting all the way down that the last scum must be Axel.
Even if it hadn't worked out nicely like that, you would hardly have been in a worse position. The plan didn't require you to expose yourself to anything but some random attention-getting.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
It may or may not have worked. I definitely thought you were scum, but I was also contemplating betrayal. But I was also unsure of Axelrod's alignment.
4) how much did the mafia being able to talk during the day help you out? to me, it seems ridiculously powerful.
We talked a lot, but mostly near the ends of days so we could get our choices done quicker. With all the different time zones involved, that's not inconsiderable.
We only really talked in the middle of days about huge events (DYH being daykilled, that kind of thing). The risk of over co-ordinating was something we tried to avoid, and we didn't agree enough to set stuff up too often. We really distrusted one another. Az did a great job there. We all thought WOLG might be SK for a while, we all knew cp wasn't being straight with us because of the vote-forcing thing, fade kept his power under wraps until after cp did his "I roleblocked a mafia" stunt, etc.
Plus there were just differences in opinions. JCS never agreed with the rest of us as to what to do with his reporting power, for example, although I don't think it mattered much overall.
The biggest bonus is that we could share our night results. Really the only thing we got out of day-talking.
Puzzle: Unfortunately for you, your chances were cut short when JC investigated you the first night. We were well aware of the possibility of you being some kind of cult leader, and you gave us the opportunity to set you up as an easy lynch. There was some discussion among us that you weren't high priority since you weren't a killing group, but after we forced the issue early on, things just naturally ran their course.
I should have specifically apologized to Bateleur for causing his death. Sorry Bat. It should never have happened and I'm sorry.
Hey, no worries, accidents happen.
Incidentally, you did delete it quickly but the reason it was spottable is because anyone with email notification switched on would get the original text in their mailbox.
Nonetheless I had a great time reading the game and the finish was really close, so no real harm done.
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Wow, this dirt is really icky. There's all sorts of bugs in it, and... sorry, I got carried away there.
Obviously, I made a severe miscalculation coming out day one. Up until this point, I had never played in a mafia game with daykills, and let me tell you how shocked I was to come back to thread and find me dead.
Sorry, Town, I royally screwed this one up. I think it would have been hard to stay under the radar with a posting restriction such as that- but hey, it was fun while it lasted. I didn't nominate CropCircles as "Player of the Year" for nothin' - this guy has a scumdar the size of Montana.
Good game, Mafia, particularly Raf.
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Oh- and BAH! If I'd known this piece, I certainly wouldn't have claimed day 1. I've always wanted to be an SK.
WOW. Az I said it in PM, this was as AWESOME setup.
Sorry to Fayul. I seriously had no idea that you were the vig and that you were going to kill SG. I put too much stock in the flavor of the kill.
I knew that once I claimed vengeance killer, the only way I was going to stay alive was to play the scum off the town and hope that no one decided to lynch/night kill me. I have to say the most frustrating thing in the world is having an awesome ability like that and being roleblocked for 3 nights in a row.
I had been suspicious of both JCS and Raf from their earlier concerted attacks on me, but figured that getting rid of the mafia role-blcoker was more important. In retrospect, I should have went gunning for Raf and saved CP for next day, although I would probably have still been dead.
Bah... I get confused with people posting in strange ways *cough morse code kupo-ing cough* I meant DYH.
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference, and a ****ing chainsaw.
Incidentally, you did delete it quickly but the reason it was spottable is because anyone with email notification switched on would get the original text in their mailbox.
Nonetheless I had a great time reading the game and the finish was really close, so no real harm done.
That's very kind of you.
It has been so long since I had the e-mail notifications for threads active I had forgotten about them. So, the damage was much worse then I had thought.
It is hard to say what effect this may have had on the course of the game. I am thankful that it appears to not have done major damage to all Azrael's work.
I certainly did follow this game as closely as if I were still in it all the way to the end. Which is very rare. Usually if I am killed early I will only lightly follow a game till the end. This was a GRIPPER!
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Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
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Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
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Yeah; technically we killed him because we had to do it before we could kill matjoe or highroller, but we also wanted to shut him up. Mind you, he was on the right people for the wrong reason to some extent, but as carrion pigeons proves, that doesn't always matter. cp outing fade to protect dm! So, so funny to read that theory....
Oh, and the person I really want to hear from is CF. He had us vexed all game, and we really only tracked him down by process of elimination. I'd love to know whether he was right about the alignment of all the people he killed.
Finally, big apologies to fadeblue for the amount of times he had to merge my posts this game because I couldn't do what I just did to this post- EDIT!
I'm not sure how you mean. I was on WoLG for a bit under suspicion of being Kevin, but (rightfully) cleared him of that via the TMNT hints. I attacked Fade for an untimely role hint, but that was after CP outed him anyway. Other then that, I only remember defending Puzzle, chamber, sorryguy, and AS, outing CF, and arguing pointlessly with HR, until the very end when I pointed Matjoe towards you, JC and 'Roller for behaviour reasons.
I really feel like I fumbled. Going into day 3, I knew I wanted to present a case against fadeblue, as well as out DM, if it became nessacary [subliminal]sorry about that, BTW[/subliminal], but I was afraid that if I came out guns ablazing, the daykiller would just shut me up there and then. So I waited until after the daykill. Fortunatly, it was of Fade, but then I didn't have a target to direct the lynch toward. That's when I started my detailed re-read, and eventually realized that JC was spewing tells every other post, Raf's claim made a lot of sense as scum, and HR had been interacting with both of them in suspicious ways. I was wrong on the last point, but meh.
Anyway, I came back to start posting my thoughts, and LJ had just up and claimed SK. So I resigned myself to day 4. I'm still kicking myself for dropping that last vote.
Anyway, I think CF deserves a lot of props. SK is a tough role, and he made it pretty damn far. The mafia as a whole deserves major props. Despite any short comings or bad luck, you guys did a good job of staying under the radar for the first few days. The pile of bodies on day 3 was pretty damn depressing. If I'm not mistaken, when there were 12 players left, there were actually 6 scum(including SK) 1 true nuetral, 1 traitor, and only 4 townies.
As far as the set-up goes, I don't like Puzzle's and LJustus' roles. Both of them looked very hard to win with. Especially considering Axelrod's difficuty despite being able to self protect. LJ had the same WC of surviving 'til the end, PLUS no way of keeping himself alive, and having to greatly damage both sides to still win.
Other then that, this game has been an absolute blast. THANK YOU AZ!! and thanks to all the players. It's been fun.
One last note - Highroller was really annoying me. You were so agressive I was just like ARRRRRRRGHHH! But it's a good strategy, just really annoying.
It is interesting the differences in playting style the various sites have for this game.
I know when I first played mafia here on salvation I found that the amount of dialog and analysis and dialog and analysis of analysis and people demanding that other people comment on the dialog and analysis, all before any action is taken to be very tiresome. It's just a different style of play though from the one I learned the game on. A style with it's own merits and drawbacks and one I've now gotten used to. I just thought it was funny during the game how playing style rather then the actions themselves became an issue.
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Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
It is interesting the differences in playting style the various sites have for this game.
I know when I first played mafia here on salvation I found that the amount of dialog and analysis and dialog and analysis of analysis and people demanding that other people comment on the dialog and analysis, all before any action is taken to be very tiresome. It's just a different style of play though from the one I learned the game on. A style with it's own merits and drawbacks and one I've now gotten used to. I just thought it was funny during the game how playing style rather then the actions themselves became an issue.
Agreed, this game moved slower than a snail's pace the first couple of days. Thankfully it did speed up, but there was a point in time where I was like, "Lynch me now, I can't put up with this." Not to mention the reaction to my being from MTGNews was insulting.
Personally, I think if we had been more forthcoming with information, the town would have won, but that's just me.
@HR: You have no idea how difficult some of the mafias decisions were. We had a mafia cop in jcs, and we still suffered hugely from the town's reticence. We were playing around so many different possibilities that at any given point, I was wincing to find out what what going to happen once night ended.
I'm certain that distributing more info than necessary would have made our job much easier.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Oh yeah, hey Az, are we getting MVPs?
And for sake of completeness, did Dwight actually die?
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IF: RafK gets AS lynched and makes his haha post during twilight, he gets ambushed by Hilv the next day? and mafia loses? (Since Rhino cant kill). Might that have happened?
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He did?
We didn't notice.
Well, I didn't notice, and no-one mentioned it in PMs.
We made a rather concerted effort to not have people analyze too deeply, at least once JCS went down. It should have been blatantly obvious that I'd been working with JCS and cp the whole game, other than that frog-on-a-hot-log comment I kept making. I figured that a catchphrase might be more memorable than all the times I agreed with him
I have no idea why cp made hawkeye vote for me. cp told us he didn't know what the deal was with the voting/unvoting, although we didn't believe him. the mafia spent quite a lot of time sending messages beginning with "WOLG is not receiving this" or "cp is not receiving this". For all I know, the others were sending messages saying "Raf is not receiving this". Don't underestimate mafia in-fighting as a balancing factor.
Who killed fadeblue? Did he suicide, or did CF get him?
Yes, Hawkeye was done by WOLG. We had WOLG attack matjoe, but Hawkeye intercepted it. We were suspicious for quite a while that WOLG was the SK.
No. If Rhino had decided I was the scum and joined in to lynch AS, it was game over, 2 scum vs 2 neutrals.
If I'd done a ha-ha post after RHINO was lynched, then yes, Hvir comes out today and Axelrod gets to to choose who wins. Probably me, I don't think he liked Hvir's presence very much
As it turns out, if paranoia hasn't got the better of me, I could have turned AS and won a bit easier.
That strategy continued through the next night, but I felt like it was backfiring. Raf was drawing a lot of attention at that point, and I didn't feel like it was a good idea to keep bringing him up in people's minds.
Later on, I was worried about the reaction of the rest of the mafia if they realized I'd been lying to them, so I just acted like I had no idea, and it must be a mod-inspired effort to draw attention to the roleblocks that I didn't know about. I targeted CC in an effort to enhance that thought in their minds.
In reality, it didn't really matter, though. As far as I can tell, the only actual use my ability had was in the extremely late game, where I could theoretically force a person to vote after several people were already on a bandwagon. It would have been fun, but I didn't live that long.
Speaking of which, it was driving me nuts that I was under suspicion at the end of the game primarily for reasons that were entirely invalid. I had it all set up to prove the whole town wrong on Day 7 (I think?), but Raf chose to lynch me instead. If Raf had just followed the plan, D_M would have been lynched, because there would have been no other logical possibility other than that he was scum. I had my case all nicely developed. The mafia would have won much earlier, and with much less risk.
Things I don't understand after I died: WHY did you kill D_M instead of Rhino? While it worked out very nicely in the end, what inspired that? It seemed like a huge unnecessary risk to me. Also, why didn't you keep up the attack on AS? Even as a townie, if you knew that AS was scum (which you claimed was the case), you ought to have gone after him. There was reason to believe that Rhino couldn't nightkill, so he was a lower priority target. It was the win-win choice, and Hvir's interference would never have mattered.
Considering the unbelievably unbalanced headstart the mafia got at the beginning of the game, I'm disappointed that it had to go down to the wire for a win. We had bad luck with jcs' bluff, but otherwise, we ought to have won hands down, no contest. We made a huge number of mistakes late in the game, and we only won out of pure luck.
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*shrugs* I just thought it was awfully coincidental. And there were at least a couple people who PMed me about it, who noticed it.
Fadeblue was killed by CF. I may be misremembering the movie, but I think Kevin may have poisoned Wendy, and that's where I pulled the MO from.
I had a great time playing in this game.
After I got killed with shuriken by WoLG I was not able to get on line soon enough to make a last post. This was it and was the one I liked the most.
Dying a noble and tragic death in the line of preforming your duty.
What more could an old police academy wash out and two bit body guard ask for?
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
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You showed great restraint there man. I know id have trouble resisting a Ha-Ha vote after the "Twilight" seen where Rhino got lynched. And that would've killed you (All Hilv would have to do is wait toward eventually Axel voted you (and he would eventually to try and end the day) and step in and vote you with him. Axel wouldnt have a choice in the matter unless he wanted to commit suicide.)
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I personally think six anti-towns in a game of 24 people was too much, but considering how close the game was, and how little of a role the inspector played, I'd say the balance was pretty damn well tuned.
Congrats all.
Mafia MVP: Rafaelk. Honorable Mention to Fadeblue, who played a tight game and salvaged the situation with Carrion Pigeons very adeptly, nearly resulting in an overwhelmingly fast mafia win, until C_F interefered.
Town MVP: Crippled_Fist. Seriously. This guy identified and killed more scum than any of the rest of the townies were able to, and he's the primary reason the town survived as long as it did. Excellent work, and very well-played from the perspective of a SK, and a townie.
My biggest reaction upon seeing the roles was "WHAT??? Chamber and SG were millers???". Could you imagine how bad it wouldve been if they had been cop investigated? No way that they wouldve survived, and then that wouldve wasted 2 town lynches.
Yeah, I suspected we were millers too, but I didn't want to say so to the town, I was afraid of what they would do.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Mmm k. My apologies to Hawkeye for making him feel guilty, then.
And I'd like to renominate him for the best role-playing award. I thoroughly enjoyed his PMs and posts: they were a wonderful addition to the game.
Also, sorta interesting that of the last 5 people alive there was 1 neutral, 2 scum, 1 potential traitor, and 1 townie.
Good game, everyone. Also, for town MVP I would actually nominate CropCircles. The town shoulda paid wayyyy more attention to him.
I think it was intended as a drawback, since it signalled your roleblocks and made it harder for us to fake (and caused you to not actually roleblock people later).
Yes, you told me I thought it was funny too. The entire last few days was a laugh riot.
This is where I disagree. I thought you were SCREWED. I lurked a bit (although the bit about not getting a pm on time was true), and the only person not voting for you was aurorasparrow. If I'd gone for Axelrod, it would have been a bet as to whether AS changed sides before anyone else did, since if I was left there voting for Axelrod with you I would have been gone too. I figured I would still win the next day, and I was kind of right although not without some adventures.
Three things.
1. If I kill Rhino and lynch DM, Axelrod will hide so I have to try to kill AS. You know I was paranoid all game that AS was hiding a retaliation or protection ability.
2. I wasn't sure I could get DM lynched anyway given that I hadn't been able to already and other reasons (long and irrelevant at this point).
3. I thought Axelrod would be a gimme lynch anyway with DM dead.
Um... I don't know if you noticed, but Rhino thought AS was scum and wouldn't have voted for him. Continuing the attack on AS would have made AS vote for me and me die. The other option I had was to come out as scum and try to convince Rhino to shift his vote. I didn't think that would work.
Kind of. I think we played better at the end than you think (I'm biased. Shoot me.)
We screwed up in the middle a lot. Your attack on fadeblue was required by your role but your failure to tell the rest of us in advance really, really sucked since we couldnt set up for it and didn't get the chance to use fade's extra kill (hence I tried to have you modkilled). And fade forgot to put in our kill night 3, and you missed our roleblock on matjoe (though that turned out well), and you went ahead and claimed to have blocked WOLG on a night he did the kill, which happily no-one picked up on except me and JCS (and, it turned out, Azrael).
And the Manute claim, which was unnecessary and drew lots of suspicion.
Anyway, all of that came home to roost late in the game, but the mistakes were made in the middle. The town didn't play too badly for a lot of it, most of them were pretty close, they just didn't have the whole story- mostly because some of the dumb stuff we did made NO SENSE (ie. missing a kill while we were all active, carrion and fade).
And I have to say: I was very disappointed to find myself daykilled after I felt I had successfully deflected cp's attack (though I couldn't convince CF ;)). All I wanted was to at least survive to the night to get my extra kill in (at least to compensate for the missed kill), and I was well prepared to sacrifice myself the next day after that.
cp: I was rather confused by your claim of Manute. That seemed to me a bad idea given that you were pretty clear before that, and the Manute claim just instantly puts your entire claim in doubt.
In any case, very well done, Raf I'm glad you were the last of us standing, since you clearly played the town role better than the rest of us.
Yeah; technically we killed him because we had to do it before we could kill matjoe or highroller, but we also wanted to shut him up. Mind you, he was on the right people for the wrong reason to some extent, but as carrion pigeons proves, that doesn't always matter. cp outing fade to protect dm! So, so funny to read that theory....
Oh, and the person I really want to hear from is CF. He had us vexed all game, and we really only tracked him down by process of elimination. I'd love to know whether he was right about the alignment of all the people he killed.
Finally, big apologies to fadeblue for the amount of times he had to merge my posts this game because I couldn't do what I just did to this post- EDIT!
The whole point here was that there were two possibilities: either Axel is flat wrong about all his assumptions, and I am therefore under no suspicion, or else D_M is scum. This was a very easy case to make. The point wasn't that I could clear myself or anything like that, but I gave you every out to just wait for me to respond to your post. That was all you had to do, and I could have all but proven that D_M was scum. And the mafia would have won much more easily.
Given that I made this clear to you, both in the thread and out of it, I was incredibly disappointed that you didn't give me one chance to defend myself.
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Rhino: I had figured you would claim Old Geezer (which is exactly what I would have done). However, I was going to reveal myself at some point by getting chamber or SorryGuy to confirm that I was the vote forcer (specifically by saying "Be careful on the john...but you already knew that...").
Anyhow, you didn't use the ability at all
And nobody knows why I voted Highroller
If Axel was flat wrong, that would also suggest he was wrong on DM. An argument that DM was scum suggested Axel was right about you (yes, I know it was stupid, but it as believable). The only case we had was that AXEL was scum (and after all, you and aurora were voting for Axel, not DM).
I think you missed how much suspicion you were under, especially as Axelrod was pulling new stuff out every post. The Manute claim was poison- all of that flavour text about torture and being forced to do things and so forth was linking straight back to you. I thought it was only a matter of time before they dug up the roleblock point too which was a real finisher. It wasn't just the idea you were protecting DM, it was also the fact that things made much more sense if you were the mafia roleblocker and you did the torturing and you were on the opposite side to Dwight and Hartigan and so on.
I claimed a named character early in the game, so that limited my options. I also claimed a character with an "inconvenient" name. The latter I did because I was sure that Axel was the SK, and I wanted him dead. I figured if I counterclaimed him, the town would believe me and lynch him. But Axel actually came up with a role that made me doubt myself, so I claimed something else. Really bad move on my part; I should have just stuck to my guns. Would have saved me a lot of trouble, even if it had got me killed in the end.
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1) This game, or at least this setup, needs to be preserved as an example of a very, very well made mafia game. Super congrats to Azrael.
2) On day 6 (6 people left), I was looking to put the finishing vote on a townie and post that I was the traitor, but cp got lynched while I was gone. My lame hint was "I would crack in a second under torture," post 1534 (I dont think hiding the word TRAITOR in a message is a good idea).
3) Raf played us big time.
4) how much did the mafia being able to talk during the day help you out? to me, it seems ridiculously powerful.
5) why did you neutrals just give up? that really hurt the town. so did the people arguing that neutral = anti-town... thats when I started suspecting fadeblue. fade's too smart for that.
6) I was ready to win. I knew I would never get lynched, and being a confirmed townie made me a good mafia target.. but it didnt come through. Lame.
7) I always was ready for sorryguy to possibly be mfia, but not rafk. dunno why.
Im sure Ill post more, but really, really, good game to al involved.
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21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
I was voting for Axel because I couldn't act like I had a reason to vote for D_M until you posted.
I REALIZE that I was under a lot of suspicion, but given the choice between someone who HAS to be mafia, or someone who only is very likely to be mafia, who do you think the town is going to go for? I only had to survive the one night, and it would have all become irrelevant.
Here's what would have happened. You post, claiming the roleblock. Then it becomes obvious to D_M that the mafia must be using multiple abilities each, while the rest of the town has either that possibility or the possibility that D_M has been lying the whole game. D_M instantly loses his suspicion of me, since I am his only suggestion of towniness. I unvote Axel, who unvotes me in sudden (and necessary) doubt. I make a case that if I'm scum, D_M must be scum, but if I'm not scum, D_M is still almost definitely scum. Town has exactly zero reason not to believe me, and they lynch D_M, who's protesting all the way down that the last scum must be Axel.
Even if it hadn't worked out nicely like that, you would hardly have been in a worse position. The plan didn't require you to expose yourself to anything but some random attention-getting.
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4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
We talked a lot, but mostly near the ends of days so we could get our choices done quicker. With all the different time zones involved, that's not inconsiderable.
We only really talked in the middle of days about huge events (DYH being daykilled, that kind of thing). The risk of over co-ordinating was something we tried to avoid, and we didn't agree enough to set stuff up too often. We really distrusted one another. Az did a great job there. We all thought WOLG might be SK for a while, we all knew cp wasn't being straight with us because of the vote-forcing thing, fade kept his power under wraps until after cp did his "I roleblocked a mafia" stunt, etc.
Plus there were just differences in opinions. JCS never agreed with the rest of us as to what to do with his reporting power, for example, although I don't think it mattered much overall.
The biggest bonus is that we could share our night results. Really the only thing we got out of day-talking.
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Hey, no worries, accidents happen.
Incidentally, you did delete it quickly but the reason it was spottable is because anyone with email notification switched on would get the original text in their mailbox.
Nonetheless I had a great time reading the game and the finish was really close, so no real harm done.
(I'm on on this site much anymore. If you want to get in touch it's probably best to email me: dom@heffalumps.org)
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Wow, this dirt is really icky. There's all sorts of bugs in it, and... sorry, I got carried away there.
Obviously, I made a severe miscalculation coming out day one. Up until this point, I had never played in a mafia game with daykills, and let me tell you how shocked I was to come back to thread and find me dead.
Sorry, Town, I royally screwed this one up. I think it would have been hard to stay under the radar with a posting restriction such as that- but hey, it was fun while it lasted. I didn't nominate CropCircles as "Player of the Year" for nothin' - this guy has a scumdar the size of Montana.
Good game, Mafia, particularly Raf.
Oh- and BAH! If I'd known this piece, I certainly wouldn't have claimed day 1. I've always wanted to be an SK.
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Sorry to Fayul. I seriously had no idea that you were the vig and that you were going to kill SG. I put too much stock in the flavor of the kill.
I knew that once I claimed vengeance killer, the only way I was going to stay alive was to play the scum off the town and hope that no one decided to lynch/night kill me. I have to say the most frustrating thing in the world is having an awesome ability like that and being roleblocked for 3 nights in a row.
I had been suspicious of both JCS and Raf from their earlier concerted attacks on me, but figured that getting rid of the mafia role-blcoker was more important. In retrospect, I should have went gunning for Raf and saved CP for next day, although I would probably have still been dead.
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That's very kind of you.
It has been so long since I had the e-mail notifications for threads active I had forgotten about them. So, the damage was much worse then I had thought.
It is hard to say what effect this may have had on the course of the game. I am thankful that it appears to not have done major damage to all Azrael's work.
I certainly did follow this game as closely as if I were still in it all the way to the end. Which is very rare. Usually if I am killed early I will only lightly follow a game till the end. This was a GRIPPER!
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Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
? Whatever. Here is the thread. The Kupoing comes around day 2... :(.
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Edit: I just finished reading over all the roles... All I have to say is wow.
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I'm not sure how you mean. I was on WoLG for a bit under suspicion of being Kevin, but (rightfully) cleared him of that via the TMNT hints. I attacked Fade for an untimely role hint, but that was after CP outed him anyway. Other then that, I only remember defending Puzzle, chamber, sorryguy, and AS, outing CF, and arguing pointlessly with HR, until the very end when I pointed Matjoe towards you, JC and 'Roller for behaviour reasons.
I really feel like I fumbled. Going into day 3, I knew I wanted to present a case against fadeblue, as well as out DM, if it became nessacary [subliminal]sorry about that, BTW[/subliminal], but I was afraid that if I came out guns ablazing, the daykiller would just shut me up there and then. So I waited until after the daykill. Fortunatly, it was of Fade, but then I didn't have a target to direct the lynch toward. That's when I started my detailed re-read, and eventually realized that JC was spewing tells every other post, Raf's claim made a lot of sense as scum, and HR had been interacting with both of them in suspicious ways. I was wrong on the last point, but meh.
Anyway, I came back to start posting my thoughts, and LJ had just up and claimed SK. So I resigned myself to day 4. I'm still kicking myself for dropping that last vote.
Anyway, I think CF deserves a lot of props. SK is a tough role, and he made it pretty damn far. The mafia as a whole deserves major props. Despite any short comings or bad luck, you guys did a good job of staying under the radar for the first few days. The pile of bodies on day 3 was pretty damn depressing. If I'm not mistaken, when there were 12 players left, there were actually 6 scum(including SK) 1 true nuetral, 1 traitor, and only 4 townies.
As far as the set-up goes, I don't like Puzzle's and LJustus' roles. Both of them looked very hard to win with. Especially considering Axelrod's difficuty despite being able to self protect. LJ had the same WC of surviving 'til the end, PLUS no way of keeping himself alive, and having to greatly damage both sides to still win.
Other then that, this game has been an absolute blast. THANK YOU AZ!! and thanks to all the players. It's been fun.
[The Family]
It is interesting the differences in playting style the various sites have for this game.
I know when I first played mafia here on salvation I found that the amount of dialog and analysis and dialog and analysis of analysis and people demanding that other people comment on the dialog and analysis, all before any action is taken to be very tiresome. It's just a different style of play though from the one I learned the game on. A style with it's own merits and drawbacks and one I've now gotten used to. I just thought it was funny during the game how playing style rather then the actions themselves became an issue.
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Agreed, this game moved slower than a snail's pace the first couple of days. Thankfully it did speed up, but there was a point in time where I was like, "Lynch me now, I can't put up with this." Not to mention the reaction to my being from MTGNews was insulting.
Personally, I think if we had been more forthcoming with information, the town would have won, but that's just me.
I'm certain that distributing more info than necessary would have made our job much easier.
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I think there's a happy medium somewhere as to playstyle- here I feel we're too passive, and over on News, you and Nai seem overly agressive.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29