I feel like there are lots of old mechanics (Flashback, Inspired, Conspire!) that would fit really well into this set, and with all the weirdness going on it might be a good idea to include at least one.
Also, if you end up using premonition, could I humbly request some kind of small contributor credit? While I'm totally fine sharing my ideas, Warp is one I'm particularly attached to, and probably the most unique and original mechanic I've designed.
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Dutytouched Knight- very weird name .
United Dream- should probably do something if you fail to meet the condition to avoid feel bad.
Anamnezoa- Might be better written as 'Whenever you activate a card's memoir ability, copy that spell, you may choose new targets for the copy'. You could even use the term 'memoir a card' to refer to using a memoir ability if it's common enough.
Blue Premonition Rare !?- seems overpowered
Dream Leash- should probably read 'You can't target an untapped permanent with Dream Leash'. I get the idea, but it's a thorny effect to word.
Fendilah Hypnotist- might be better if it was optional to avoid feel-bad.
Flowling- not a great name
Render Meaningless- I was going to say that the multiple spells with the same name effect will rarely matter, but then I realise it works against Memoir and now I like this card. Sneaky . Might want to change so it can't counter your own spells though, but that shouldn't be an issue either way.
Tideflow Denizen- neat way to do 'can't always attack serpent' trope.
Despair Familiar- how does black trigger this? Damage causes loss of life, not the other way round, so if this is supposed to work with loss life cards it won't.
Ikelious, Nightmare King- '...Ikelious destroy each other tapped creature'? Typo?
Bellowing Hellkite- should have 'haste' and 'each other creature you control has haste' same as Dragonlord Kolaghan.
Creativity Figment- it's a bit expensive for the ability, in that 5 mana makes it hard to pay for the cards. Might be better as 3/2 and Premonition 3- .
Fit of Impulse- maybe a bit weak considering Tolarian Winds. Might be better as an instant or costing one less, though it might not.
Foretold Betrayl- might be a strong colour bend, not sure if red is allowed to threaten at instant speed.
Memories of the Earth- seems weak, maybe cost at ?
Apparition of Savagry (Sic)- name typo
Aspiring Chord- Probably overpowered, especially when cast after being milled.
Cognizance Hatcher- same as Anamnezoa
Nocturnal Hunt- might be better at based on Pit Fight.
Wild-Touched Knight- another weird name, somewhat less so. Is this part of a theme/cycle?
Galloping Dread- may be a bit too powerful
Blurred Horizons- I prefer this a single card rather than a cycle like StairC originally suggested, glad you seem to agree.
You have quite a lot of lands, maybe a little too many, but I don't know.
702.PRMe If a continuous effect causes a face up card to be revealed, that card is both revealed and is face up. If the card somehow ceases to be revealed, the card remains face up.
Is this a "just in case" Comp Rule or is there a situation involving current cards where the above could actually happen?
There is a time when a premonitioned card is both the top card and face up before it's cast while the effect is taking place. Therefore, you need to define what is happening.
It stops confusion about if face up cards and revealed cards are different. It also it covers theoretical cards that could have you play with the top X cards of your library revealed.
Great feedback DJK3654.
Some notes: Dutytouched Knight yeh, temporary name is temporary. A lot of the commons are getting their flavor polished a bit at the moment but the uncommons are fairly raw. Blue Premonition Rare !? is obviously a placeholder. Dream Leash is a reprint. Thus it is worded correctly. Fendilah Hypnotist Fixed Bellowing Hellkite Fixed, good catch. Memories of the Earth This is slightly overcosted on the nromal cost and undercosted on the memoir cost to promote memoir play. Also two 4/4's are powerful even with a downside. Despair Familiar woops thats dumb, fixed. Foretold BetrayalAct of Aggression and a few others say its fine (its strong though.) Creativity Figment a 4/3 for 5 that nearly always provides a land drop is a decent card in limited, its when you premonition this guy that he gets spicy (due to having full mana available). This has been doing well in playtests so I'll keep as is for now. Nocturnal Hunt you do realize this can lead to 2 for 1's? due to the surprise untapping. Happy with its current cost.
I'm probably going to cut 1 or two of the uncommons lands. I'll see how I do for space.
I've been working on flavor text and story today. Check out the [DMS] Flavor commons thread
Also the set is now officially renamed Dreamscape from its previous name, Dreamscape of Noctus. This was due to the fact that every just called it dreamscape anyway and that none of my playtesters could remember the other name.
I think the reminder text of Memoir should be changed slightly. I think you misunderstand a little bit about how spells resolve. From the current reminder text and from Render Meaningless, it seems like you want to be able to cast a card with Memoir like Loss of Clarity then immediately be able to pay the Memoir cost so you would have two of the same spell on the stack at the same time. In that scenario, Render Meaningless would be able to counter both the original spell and the copy. However, an instant or sorcery remains on the stack until it resolves or is countered in some fashion. So only one copy of Loss of Clarity will be on the stack at a time. Unless you cast multiple Loss of Clarity at once that is. I think Memoir should just read as (When this card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may cast a copy by paying its memoir cost.). Adding the "after you cast it" clause makes the reminder text a little confusing and frankly wrong.
With that being said, I don't know what your plans for the set are so maybe Render Meaningless can work but for now, the chance of countering multiple spells with Render Meaningless seems small. Maybe Exile the spell instead after countering so Memoir doesn't trigger after the spell doesn't resolve. I know that is just Dissipate but that seems like a better counter spell here.
Also having Trance trigger during upkeep on some cards is really awkward. Most creatures will be untapped during your upkeep unless you use a spell that taps them or they have an activated ability that has tapping as apart of the cost.
Also having Trance trigger during upkeep on some cards is really awkward.
The upkeep trigger was simply a typo. Changed to a end step trigger.
Thanks for pointing out Render Meaningless, it worked with an old version of memoir I haven't yet reworded it so that it works with the current iteration.
EDIT: I'm probably just gonna reprint Dissipate.
As for the reminder text it is simply for groking purposes for new players as they otherwise never remember that casting it will put it into the graveyard once it resolves.
I've done a large update to the front page, updated the visual and text spoiler and have been doing lots of playtesting.
Love to hear everyone's feedback on what they think so far. Also feel free to give me a yell if you want to organize playtesting sessions.
We played a great 8 player paper draft last night, getting tons of feedback.
I'll be writing up a more detailed report sometime of how the night went and what changes it is prompting.
But for now I'm still open to suggestions and feedback.
Also, if you end up using premonition, could I humbly request some kind of small contributor credit? While I'm totally fine sharing my ideas, Warp is one I'm particularly attached to, and probably the most unique and original mechanic I've designed.
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Dutytouched Knight- very weird name .
United Dream- should probably do something if you fail to meet the condition to avoid feel bad.
Anamnezoa- Might be better written as 'Whenever you activate a card's memoir ability, copy that spell, you may choose new targets for the copy'. You could even use the term 'memoir a card' to refer to using a memoir ability if it's common enough.
Blue Premonition Rare !?- seems overpowered
Dream Leash- should probably read 'You can't target an untapped permanent with Dream Leash'. I get the idea, but it's a thorny effect to word.
Fendilah Hypnotist- might be better if it was optional to avoid feel-bad.
Flowling- not a great name
Render Meaningless- I was going to say that the multiple spells with the same name effect will rarely matter, but then I realise it works against Memoir and now I like this card. Sneaky . Might want to change so it can't counter your own spells though, but that shouldn't be an issue either way.
Tideflow Denizen- neat way to do 'can't always attack serpent' trope.
Despair Familiar- how does black trigger this? Damage causes loss of life, not the other way round, so if this is supposed to work with loss life cards it won't.
Ikelious, Nightmare King- '...Ikelious destroy each other tapped creature'? Typo?
Bellowing Hellkite- should have 'haste' and 'each other creature you control has haste' same as Dragonlord Kolaghan.
Creativity Figment- it's a bit expensive for the ability, in that 5 mana makes it hard to pay for the cards. Might be better as 3/2 and Premonition 3- .
Fit of Impulse- maybe a bit weak considering Tolarian Winds. Might be better as an instant or costing one less, though it might not.
Foretold Betrayl- might be a strong colour bend, not sure if red is allowed to threaten at instant speed.
Memories of the Earth- seems weak, maybe cost at ?
Apparition of Savagry (Sic)- name typo
Aspiring Chord- Probably overpowered, especially when cast after being milled.
Cognizance Hatcher- same as Anamnezoa
Nocturnal Hunt- might be better at based on Pit Fight.
Wild-Touched Knight- another weird name, somewhat less so. Is this part of a theme/cycle?
Galloping Dread- may be a bit too powerful
Blurred Horizons- I prefer this a single card rather than a cycle like StairC originally suggested, glad you seem to agree.
You have quite a lot of lands, maybe a little too many, but I don't know.
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How would it become "the top card of your library revealed" without already being 1) cast or 2) turned face down before then?
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Some notes:
Dutytouched Knight yeh, temporary name is temporary. A lot of the commons are getting their flavor polished a bit at the moment but the uncommons are fairly raw.
Blue Premonition Rare !? is obviously a placeholder.
Dream Leash is a reprint. Thus it is worded correctly.
Fendilah Hypnotist Fixed
Bellowing Hellkite Fixed, good catch.
Memories of the Earth This is slightly overcosted on the nromal cost and undercosted on the memoir cost to promote memoir play. Also two 4/4's are powerful even with a downside.
Despair Familiar woops thats dumb, fixed.
Foretold Betrayal Act of Aggression and a few others say its fine (its strong though.)
Creativity Figment a 4/3 for 5 that nearly always provides a land drop is a decent card in limited, its when you premonition this guy that he gets spicy (due to having full mana available). This has been doing well in playtests so I'll keep as is for now.
Nocturnal Hunt you do realize this can lead to 2 for 1's? due to the surprise untapping. Happy with its current cost.
I'm probably going to cut 1 or two of the uncommons lands. I'll see how I do for space.
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Also the set is now officially renamed Dreamscape from its previous name, Dreamscape of Noctus. This was due to the fact that every just called it dreamscape anyway and that none of my playtesters could remember the other name.
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With that being said, I don't know what your plans for the set are so maybe Render Meaningless can work but for now, the chance of countering multiple spells with Render Meaningless seems small. Maybe Exile the spell instead after countering so Memoir doesn't trigger after the spell doesn't resolve. I know that is just Dissipate but that seems like a better counter spell here.
The set looks pretty good so far! Great work!
The upkeep trigger was simply a typo. Changed to a end step trigger.
Thanks for pointing out Render Meaningless, it worked with an old version of memoir I haven't yet reworded it so that it works with the current iteration.
EDIT: I'm probably just gonna reprint Dissipate.
As for the reminder text it is simply for groking purposes for new players as they otherwise never remember that casting it will put it into the graveyard once it resolves.
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I've been doing plenty of sealed playtests on the custommagic IRC channel.
Most excitedly I have another 8 or 9 man draft paper playtest next week!
The front page is still a little out of date but I'll do my best to update it soon.
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Love to hear everyone's feedback on what they think so far. Also feel free to give me a yell if you want to organize playtesting sessions.
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I'll be writing up a more detailed report sometime of how the night went and what changes it is prompting.
But for now I'm still open to suggestions and feedback.
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