It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
As long as everyone's ok with having to make multiple large, flying humans in every color. (Which is fine.)
I'm fine with sphinxes, demons and dragons in the set, I just don't like the idea of a demon vs angel characters.
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It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
As long as everyone's ok with having to make multiple large, flying humans in every color. (Which is fine.)
I'm fine with sphinxes, demons and dragons in the set, I just don't like the idea of a demon vs angel characters.
I'm fine with that, I guess I just don't see why demons fit but angels don't. Is it just because we have more reason for white flying humans?
Mostly cause Angels very very rarely appear in comics and not many times in superhero comics (although your horror/fantasy/supernatural comics have them pop in more often) and like I've said before why do we need angels when we have superheroes flying around (or vice versa). With demons it gives our heroes something semi supernatural to fit and not just your run of the mill villain. Though I'd say we have 1 maybe 2 demons in the set max.
For large creatures I'd like to re-suggest we fill the few slots with zombies, something along of the line of Solomon Grundy.
For black heroes I'd suggest something like the Red Hood or the suicide squad. And I do think lngrrrr is right about us adding Assassins.
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As far as big flyers, we will have "super" flyers in all colors but green anyways:
White: Superman types
Blue: Some flying super
Red: Dragon monster and/or villain
Green: LOL
Black: I would actually like to see flying horrors. Many bad guys unleash scary demonic looking monsters. (For medium flyers, spectres might be nice.)
How about this... green get's not super flier, but it gets at least one kaiju and one hero with Reach.
It's not like we need to balance things with green, what green lacks in flyers it makes up for in larger creatures.
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Classes are important, just not as important as races. It takes nothing to decide to add warriors or advisors into a set, but adding something like demons has a larger effect on the world and creative as a whole.
I think vampires, zombies (as minions), horrors, specters, and demons can all fit. They might just have one or two cards here and there, but it's important just to establish what exists on this world and what doesn't.
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It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
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Vampires, Zombies, Minions, and Horrors all make some sense to me for common creature types in this setting. I could see a single Demon and up to two Specters if we hit some flavor home-runs.
Stuff like Shades, Horrors, Specters, pretty much given for any world we go to. Much more important to make sure web know what's not on the plane really. Demons without angels is fine. Theros is exactly that. As was Kamigawa (technically). Black's sorted, right?
Funnily enough, Theros doesn't have shades or specters.
If we're going into red, I'm fine with goblins and dragons in this world, by the way. They just about fit in my opinion. Goblins are negligible though.
Dragons are prime city-attacking creatures. Goblins, on the other hand, are a harder sell for me. They're fine as minions but not much else. A goblin super hero would be hilarious, but I'm not sure how appropriate.
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Yeah, I mean dragons (Fing Fang Foom) and goblins (mole men) can be done, I think our challenge is to not be too literal minded when we create the future characters based on these races. Like for red I would love to see elementals for example, but besides somebody like Living Lightning or Magma Man I would love to see a radioactivity villain as an elemental.
Not critizising anyone at all, just laying out my own design bias... I much rather a 1960's Baron Blood or Manbat vampire than a 1990's Vampire in a Trenchcoat approach. A dragon would be great, but maybe somebody like Dragon Man (from fantastic four).
I guess I could see mole-like goblins. I'm not anti-goblin, I just don't want to throw them in just because.
I definitely agree on elementals, though I expect them to be Human Elementals if they're element based super hero.
I do like a dragon based hero or villain, I just want to be sure what races we're actually using. A dragon is not the same as Dragon Man, we can have both but its important to distinguish them.
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It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
How about a few Flamekin elementals from Lorwyn? They seems similar to characters like the human torch and Heatblast from Ben 10 (I know its a tv show, but it is a superhero show) and it could help fill out some small and med. creatures slots.
I'm iffy on goblins, just because all we could really do it have them be henchmen and I'd wanna do more. Molemen idea seems interring though.
I'd rather have dragons be our red kaiju creatures. And if we wanna do dragon people, wanna not use vaishno?
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Small: Gobins, Elementals, humans/mutants
Medium: elemetnals,vaishno, humans/mutants
Large: vaishno
S Flyer: Elementals, humans/mutants
M Flyer: Elementals, humans/mutants
L Flyer: Dragons
For supers we got: Fire users, empaths, crazies (Joker or Deadpool) and thrill seekers
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Can goblins not be molemen? They vary wildly in design, you can look at the Scars of Mirrodin or Jund goblins for a more furry, rodent type of goblin. (Either way I like them better than viashino here).
I'm personally a huge fan of the flamekin and wish they showed up more. I honestly wouldn't mind adding them here as a naturally superpowered race like the Vedalken/Merfolk.
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Can goblins not be molemen? They vary wildly in design, you can look at the Scars of Mirrodin or Jund goblins for a more furry, rodent type of goblin. (Either way I like them better than viashino here).
I'm just open to anything beside dumb goblin henchmen.
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Goblin molemen is fine with me. I think we need some henchmen in the set, but molemen can pull double duty in being their own masters and being henched. Is there enough room for Moblins and Flamekin? If we only have room for one, I'd vote Moblins. But I could see Flamekin in the same world as well.
As far as big-bads are concerned, Dragons are the obvious choice. I'm curious how we make superhero dragons distinct from magic dragons, but there should be plenty of ways to do so.
Goblin molemen is fine with me. I think we need some henchmen in the set, but molemen can pull double duty in being their own masters and being henched. Is there enough room for Moblins and Flamekin? If we only have room for one, I'd vote Moblins. But I could see Flamekin in the same world as well.
As far as big-bads are concerned, Dragons are the obvious choice. I'm curious how we make superhero dragons distinct from magic dragons, but there should be plenty of ways to do so.
I'd rather have flamekin then goblins, after thinking of it flamekin seems a more interesting fit then goblins.
Why do we need to make dragons different? The basic idea of magics dragons seems pretty close to what we want (big red aligned flying fire breathing monsters).
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I don't see much reason to change dragons. If anything, I think having super heroes fighting classic fantasy monsters like dragons is a neat thing you don't often see (especially in the modern era of slightly more realistic comic book movies.)
I kind of prefer Goblins to Flamekin. As much as I love Flamekin, they probably seem too super; they'd take away from any other fire based heroes while seeming a bit mundane themselves.
There have only been two gremlins in magic and both arephyrexian, so you're going to have to be more specific about what type of gremlins you're talking about. I will say though that gremlins seem kind of random to me.
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I don't see much reason to change dragons. If anything, I think having super heroes fighting classic fantasy monsters like dragons is a neat thing you don't often see (especially in the modern era of slightly more realistic comic book movies.)
I kind of prefer Goblins to Flamekin. As much as I love Flamekin, they probably seem too super; they'd take away from any other fire based heroes while seeming a bit mundane themselves.
There have only been two gremlins in magic and both arephyrexian, so you're going to have to be more specific about what type of gremlins you're talking about. I will say though that gremlins seem kind of random to me.
I just figured Flamekin would be our fire heroes in the same way merfolk are our aquatic heroes.
What I think what LnGrrrR is thinking is mischievous creature who like to tinker and break artifacts...so basically goblins
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I'm just saying, if people don't want "goblins" because, hey, goblins, you could always make a "gremlin" tribe.
Personally, I think a tribe of fanatic cultists in red and black would be fun. Or they could be a "do it cause it feels good" criminal gang, similar to the Rakdos clan.
It seems like we've kind of found a good place for goblins. At very least I don't see how they fit any less than gremlins.
I think a rakdos style street gang (probably led by some specific villain) is a good idea.
I guess here's what we're looking at right now;
(Humans/Mutants everywhere)
Small: Goblins (as mole people and henchmen), Gang Members (Warriors? Berserkers? Rogues? Assassins?), Soldiers (reckless cops perhaps?)
Med: ??
Large: Giants, other monsters (Lizards, Cyclops?)
S Flying: ??
M Flying: ??
L Flying: Dragons
I'd be open to adding flying flamekin (human torch style) to fill in some of these slots. Not that red requires all that many small flying creatures, but it's still nice to have options.
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I'm fine with sphinxes, demons and dragons in the set, I just don't like the idea of a demon vs angel characters.
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I'm fine with that, I guess I just don't see why demons fit but angels don't. Is it just because we have more reason for white flying humans?
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Mostly cause Angels very very rarely appear in comics and not many times in superhero comics (although your horror/fantasy/supernatural comics have them pop in more often) and like I've said before why do we need angels when we have superheroes flying around (or vice versa). With demons it gives our heroes something semi supernatural to fit and not just your run of the mill villain. Though I'd say we have 1 maybe 2 demons in the set max.
For large creatures I'd like to re-suggest we fill the few slots with zombies, something along of the line of Solomon Grundy.
For black heroes I'd suggest something like the Red Hood or the suicide squad. And I do think lngrrrr is right about us adding Assassins.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
As far as big flyers, we will have "super" flyers in all colors but green anyways:
White: Superman types
Blue: Some flying super
Red: Dragon monster and/or villain
Green: LOL
Black: I would actually like to see flying horrors. Many bad guys unleash scary demonic looking monsters. (For medium flyers, spectres might be nice.)
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Why not just have demons then?
It's not like we need to balance things with green, what green lacks in flyers it makes up for in larger creatures.
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I kind of do.
We could focus on classes instead of races.
I think vampires, zombies (as minions), horrors, specters, and demons can all fit. They might just have one or two cards here and there, but it's important just to establish what exists on this world and what doesn't.
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Funnily enough, Theros doesn't have shades or specters.
Dragons are prime city-attacking creatures. Goblins, on the other hand, are a harder sell for me. They're fine as minions but not much else. A goblin super hero would be hilarious, but I'm not sure how appropriate.
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Not critizising anyone at all, just laying out my own design bias... I much rather a 1960's Baron Blood or Manbat vampire than a 1990's Vampire in a Trenchcoat approach. A dragon would be great, but maybe somebody like Dragon Man (from fantastic four).
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I definitely agree on elementals, though I expect them to be Human Elementals if they're element based super hero.
I do like a dragon based hero or villain, I just want to be sure what races we're actually using. A dragon is not the same as Dragon Man, we can have both but its important to distinguish them.
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I'm iffy on goblins, just because all we could really do it have them be henchmen and I'd wanna do more. Molemen idea seems interring though.
I'd rather have dragons be our red kaiju creatures. And if we wanna do dragon people, wanna not use vaishno?
(What we have suggested)
Small: Gobins, Elementals, humans/mutants
Medium: elemetnals,vaishno, humans/mutants
Large: vaishno
S Flyer: Elementals, humans/mutants
M Flyer: Elementals, humans/mutants
L Flyer: Dragons
For supers we got: Fire users, empaths, crazies (Joker or Deadpool) and thrill seekers
For civilians...umm angry mobs?
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I'm personally a huge fan of the flamekin and wish they showed up more. I honestly wouldn't mind adding them here as a naturally superpowered race like the Vedalken/Merfolk.
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I'm just open to anything beside dumb goblin henchmen.
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As far as big-bads are concerned, Dragons are the obvious choice. I'm curious how we make superhero dragons distinct from magic dragons, but there should be plenty of ways to do so.
I'd rather have flamekin then goblins, after thinking of it flamekin seems a more interesting fit then goblins.
Why do we need to make dragons different? The basic idea of magics dragons seems pretty close to what we want (big red aligned flying fire breathing monsters).
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And maybe we could have a legendary dwarf who builds artifacts, just as a fun poke at fantasy.
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I kind of prefer Goblins to Flamekin. As much as I love Flamekin, they probably seem too super; they'd take away from any other fire based heroes while seeming a bit mundane themselves.
There have only been two gremlins in magic and both are phyrexian, so you're going to have to be more specific about what type of gremlins you're talking about. I will say though that gremlins seem kind of random to me.
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That just seems pointless
I just figured Flamekin would be our fire heroes in the same way merfolk are our aquatic heroes.
What I think what LnGrrrR is thinking is mischievous creature who like to tinker and break artifacts...so basically goblins
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Personally, I think a tribe of fanatic cultists in red and black would be fun. Or they could be a "do it cause it feels good" criminal gang, similar to the Rakdos clan.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I think a rakdos style street gang (probably led by some specific villain) is a good idea.
I guess here's what we're looking at right now;
(Humans/Mutants everywhere)
Small: Goblins (as mole people and henchmen), Gang Members (Warriors? Berserkers? Rogues? Assassins?), Soldiers (reckless cops perhaps?)
Med: ??
Large: Giants, other monsters (Lizards, Cyclops?)
S Flying: ??
M Flying: ??
L Flying: Dragons
I'd be open to adding flying flamekin (human torch style) to fill in some of these slots. Not that red requires all that many small flying creatures, but it's still nice to have options.
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