I'm asking about two cards here, which are unrelated except for both being hybrid-cost enchantment creatures, so I guess my first question is whether that's actually allowed...
Anyway, here's the first problem card.
Thundrous Savagery
Enchantment Creature -- Elemental
Haste, Bestow 1
When ~ comes into play, you may pay any amount of mana. For every RG, RR, or GG paid this way, ~ enters play with +2/+2 until end of turn or enchanted creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
Enchanted creature gets +2/+0 and Haste.
2/0
I get the feeling that Multikicker doesn't play well with bestow, so I ruled that out as an option (And Kicker doesn't really work well with the custom set I'm trying to put together with these cards). I'm also uncertain of the validity of a creature entering play with something until end of turn rather than getting an effect until end of turn upon entering play, but I wasn't sure how else to make sure that it got the toughness boost before it died from 0 toughness. And of course, there's the clunky wording of the ability...
Anyway, my second question is about this card's keyword:
Melj Slime
Enchantment Creature -- Ooze
Reshape 3 (When you cast an enchantment or creature spell, you may exile this permanent to reduce its cost by UUU or GGG. You may only activate one Reshape trigger in response to a spell being cast) "It is not one thing or another, but may become both or either... What was once defined is now a roiling mass of potential."
2/3
The idea here is that the keyword appears on something shapeless that may be used as base material for something more defined. It shows up on either non-aura enchantments or on Oozes and Elementals, and it allows you to exile the keyworded card to reduce the cost of a spell of the same type by a color of mana in the keyworded card's cost. Having it work this way makes a hybrid mana cost and being an enchantment creature relevant (As it allows it to be reshaped into either of two colors and two different card types).
I'm fairly certain the phrasing's wrong, and I'm not entirely sure it's workable as written (or at all).
I'm not sure how to rework your first card's ability into an "as this enters" that can also give a bonus to the "enchanted creature" before it's actually enchanted that doesn't also fill the box with way too much text. Is having more than 0 toughness a dealbreaker for this card?
Reshape won't work as a trigger because a spell only counts as "cast" after the casting process is complete, meaning you've already payed the cost by the time the ability triggers. The full technical rules will require some creative work, but a reminder text version might look like "As you cast an enchantment or creature spell, you may exile this permanent to reduce its cost by UUU or GGG. You may not exile more than one permanent with Reshape in this way for that spell."
"As ~ enters the battlefield, if it's an Aura, enchanted creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Otherwise, if ~ is a creature, it gets +2/+2 until end of turn."
You might have to switch the order the two type comparisons go in the sentence, but otherwise, this will have to do.
One of the problems with Prowl is that one of its variables did not depend on its parameters. Prowl depended on a creature type, which was absent from the "Prowl <COST>" formatting, which is poor keywording practice. Reshape somewhat suffers the same problem in that the mana discount it provides doesn't depend on the "3"; it depends on the colors of the permanent.
"Reshape 3 (You may exile this permanent as you're casting a creature or enchantment spell to reduce its cost by three mana of one of this permanent's colors. Reshape only once for a spell.)
You can also have triggers that trigger off of permanents being used to reshape things, such as "When ~ reshapes a spell, . . ."
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@Rhadamanthus: Yeah, I figured that I was getting something like the "trigger" part wrong. As for having 0 toughness, well... the basic concept this card started from was "Bestow Creature with zero toughness," so...
@Thought Criminal: The problem with your phrasing for the first card is that it doesn't account for the cost or the scaling. So with it as intended, it would come out to "When ~ comes into play, you may pay any amount of mana. For every RG, RR, or GG paid this way, if it's an Aura, enchanted creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Otherwise, if ~ is a creature, it gets +2/+2 until end of turn for each RG, RR, or GG paid this way." Or something. And the latter part may need to say "enters play with +2/+2" to prevent it from dying when cast as a creature.
Your phrasing for the second card is perfect though. Thanks again!
Whoops, forgot to account for the cost at all. So yeah, "As you cast ~, you may pay (R/G)(R/G) any number of times. As ~ enters the battlefield, if it's an Aura, enchanted creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn for each time you paid mana this way. Otherwise, ~ gets. . . "
...Or multikicker, I suppose. Either way, a creature spell with 0 toughness doesn't get put into the graveyard as a state-based action. So "as ~ ETB" wording is fine.
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Ah, okay! And I was unsure if I'd be able to use hybrid mana symbols in that context -- I'm glad to know that I can, it makes it a lot simpler. As for Kicker, I may end up using it in the set anyway but I'd prefer not to. Regarding the last bit, I wasn't sure if getting the boost went on the stack at the right time for it to work that way.
Anyway, thank you very much! You've been immensely helpful!
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Anyway, here's the first problem card.
I get the feeling that Multikicker doesn't play well with bestow, so I ruled that out as an option (And Kicker doesn't really work well with the custom set I'm trying to put together with these cards). I'm also uncertain of the validity of a creature entering play with something until end of turn rather than getting an effect until end of turn upon entering play, but I wasn't sure how else to make sure that it got the toughness boost before it died from 0 toughness. And of course, there's the clunky wording of the ability...
Anyway, my second question is about this card's keyword:
The idea here is that the keyword appears on something shapeless that may be used as base material for something more defined. It shows up on either non-aura enchantments or on Oozes and Elementals, and it allows you to exile the keyworded card to reduce the cost of a spell of the same type by a color of mana in the keyworded card's cost. Having it work this way makes a hybrid mana cost and being an enchantment creature relevant (As it allows it to be reshaped into either of two colors and two different card types).
I'm fairly certain the phrasing's wrong, and I'm not entirely sure it's workable as written (or at all).
Reshape won't work as a trigger because a spell only counts as "cast" after the casting process is complete, meaning you've already payed the cost by the time the ability triggers. The full technical rules will require some creative work, but a reminder text version might look like "As you cast an enchantment or creature spell, you may exile this permanent to reduce its cost by UUU or GGG. You may not exile more than one permanent with Reshape in this way for that spell."
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You might have to switch the order the two type comparisons go in the sentence, but otherwise, this will have to do.
One of the problems with Prowl is that one of its variables did not depend on its parameters. Prowl depended on a creature type, which was absent from the "Prowl <COST>" formatting, which is poor keywording practice. Reshape somewhat suffers the same problem in that the mana discount it provides doesn't depend on the "3"; it depends on the colors of the permanent.
"Reshape 3 (You may exile this permanent as you're casting a creature or enchantment spell to reduce its cost by three mana of one of this permanent's colors. Reshape only once for a spell.)
You can also have triggers that trigger off of permanents being used to reshape things, such as "When ~ reshapes a spell, . . ."
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
@Rhadamanthus: Yeah, I figured that I was getting something like the "trigger" part wrong. As for having 0 toughness, well... the basic concept this card started from was "Bestow Creature with zero toughness," so...
@Thought Criminal: The problem with your phrasing for the first card is that it doesn't account for the cost or the scaling. So with it as intended, it would come out to "When ~ comes into play, you may pay any amount of mana. For every RG, RR, or GG paid this way, if it's an Aura, enchanted creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Otherwise, if ~ is a creature, it gets +2/+2 until end of turn for each RG, RR, or GG paid this way." Or something. And the latter part may need to say "enters play with +2/+2" to prevent it from dying when cast as a creature.
Your phrasing for the second card is perfect though. Thanks again!
...Or multikicker, I suppose. Either way, a creature spell with 0 toughness doesn't get put into the graveyard as a state-based action. So "as ~ ETB" wording is fine.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
Anyway, thank you very much! You've been immensely helpful!