For the elemental producing clause to be more relevant I feel it would be better if the discarding was random, but 3 cost for two random discards and possible elemental tokens could be problematic If you wanted random discards you would have to adjust the cost and/or number of cards discarded. My point was mostly that players will already discard anything but creatures given a choice, thus the token part (the clause that makes Elemental Prying interesting in any sense) won't come up most of the time.
Yes, I know. I was onhly saying that your idea would be too good.
maybe if the tokens comes to play with "Sacrifice it at the end of this turn".
Nah. The chance that your opp will discard a creature is very small. Either he has really overpowered non-creature spells, has enough creatures in play to block the elementals and rather keeps the lands or he oly has creatures in his hand. (which would often mean he has enough cures to deal with the problem already) I think his cad is as it should be. Not too good, not too bad. Balance. The golden middleway. Whatever way you want to call it.
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I don't think it's an abuse of hybrid. Black gets discard, black makes tokens, black gets haste. This could be done totally in monoblack but it has some elements that make it feel more red/black, namely the tokens are done in a red style. Yes, this type of mana cost reduces the significance of hybrid: it's not often you're going to be able to pay 1RB easier than you can pay 1BB, but sometimes you will. So if you wanted to do this type of cost, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't.
Unless the play is based on cost, I feel that having a strict color requirement + a hybrid requirement of the same type is basically making in this case a black card that triggers red, but will rarely be played as a black+red card. This is because you don't NEED to play B+R to get it, but you MUST play B to get it. It is far far easier to produce BB than to produce BR (Maybe not in today's mana base, but in the abstract)
I feel like this is an abuse of hybrid. If it cost (B/R)RB then I wouldn't mind, because you can play it in a black deck with a splash of red, a red deck with a splash of black, and in a red+black heavy deck. But you still have to pay red and black.
It's not as bad as printing something with hybrid that shouldn't be in the colors it's in, (these abilities are all at least secondary in black if not primary, and certainly fit red+black to a T) But the fact that you don't have to play red, but you must play black makes it function even MORE like a monocolor card than hybrid normally does.
I disagree with Onderzeeboot on Vorthos' ultimate. I'm pretty sure the last ability removes all cards with font larger than the text on Vorthos. It says banished from land and game, which I think more properly translates to removed from game than destroyed.
You sir, are absolutely right, Vorthos definitely removes those obnoxious, loudlettered cards from the game!
maybe if the tokens comes to play with "Sacrifice it at the end of this turn".
Nah. The chance that your opp will discard a creature is very small. Either he has really overpowered non-creature spells, has enough creatures in play to block the elementals and rather keeps the lands or he oly has creatures in his hand. (which would often mean he has enough cures to deal with the problem already) I think his cad is as it should be. Not too good, not too bad. Balance. The golden middleway. Whatever way you want to call it.
Problem is, if your opponent has only two cards in hand, and those cards are creatures, you have just made them discard their remaining threats and created two 3/1 creatures with haste that don't die at the end of your turn, all for the low, low, very low, low, low, (did I mention low?), low, low, low cost of 1BB (or 1BR of course). That is nowhere near balanced. I very much like the flavor, but the effect is way too powerful at this mana cost. At the very least the tokens should be sacrificed at end of turn.
Also, note that you can target yourself. This means that if you have 2 irrelevant creatures in your hand, or worse, creatures that you want to be in your graveyard (I can think of several) you just target yourself and deal 6 out of nowhere.
Besides that there's the problem you sketch. People are unwilling to throw creatures away. Gerrard's Verdict balanced this beatifully by rewarding you based on the number of discarded lands (the most likely card type to be ditched) and was, imho, a cleaner execution.
The winning card is a super-charged Blightning! Awesome effect.
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It's pretty nice. People usually don't like discarding creatures, so it's not too overpowered, because they'll discard other spells. But, I would LOVE to see this in standard right now. "Blightning, oh, and next turn I'll play this: *pop*"
You sir, are absolutely right, Vorthos definitely removes those obnoxious, loudlettered cards from the game!
Problem is, if your opponent has only two cards in hand, and those cards are creatures, you have just made them discard their remaining threats and created two 3/1 creatures with haste that don't die at the end of your turn, all for the low, low, very low, low, low, (did I mention low?), low, low, low cost of 1BB (or 1BR of course). That is nowhere near balanced. I very much like the flavor, but the effect is way too powerful at this mana cost. At the very least the tokens should be sacrificed at end of turn.
Also, note that you can target yourself. This means that if you have 2 irrelevant creatures in your hand, or worse, creatures that you want to be in your graveyard (I can think of several) you just target yourself and deal 6 out of nowhere.
Besides that there's the problem you sketch. People are unwilling to throw creatures away. Gerrard's Verdict balanced this beatifully by rewarding you based on the number of discarded lands (the most likely card type to be ditched) and was, imho, a cleaner execution.
Targeting yourself... That's a good one. Sudden;y I'd love to have this card in my deck. Demigod of revenge for the win Oh, and my changeling deck, where I am allowed to play knights from my graveyard ^^
But if your opp only has two cards in hand, and hey are creatures, it is one of the moments he/she got unlcky. Besides, if he only had two cards in hand, he either already played the rest or you mad him discard it, so you probably outcombod him. I still don't think this card is too good.
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A card should never punish you this severely for being unlucky. Especially not at this rarity and converted mana cost!
I am not taking rarity into account because this card will not be printed anyway. But what I said is that you either out comboed him or waited until he put himself in a nasty position. Besides, there are decks that don't mind to discard their creatures. Wilt-leaf liege, madness, demigod of revenge are just some examples They will become more common in sideboard f this card will be printed.
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Sorry for the delay. This month's winning card is Elemental Prying, by .handslikeguns.
Elemental Prying :1mana::symbr::symb:
Tribal Sorcery-Elemental [Unc]
Target player discards two cards. Put a 3/1 red Elemental creature token with haste into play under your control for each creature card discarded this way. “Perhaps your mind will serve me more than you.”—Shareen, Witch of the Badlands
We enjoyed the overall aesthetic of this card, the interesting use of hybrid, and depth and simplicity of the effect. Cool art, too!
An honorable mention goes to JimmyGroove for a creative and clever execution of an Un- card: Vorthos, the Flavor Savior. I've seen a lot of attempts at making a Vorthos card in the style of Timmy, Power Gamer, etc., but this is by far the best.
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Planeswalker - Vorthos (MR)
<+1> - Forsooth, I do admire thy flavor text, ye target creature. Take a counter of +1 to power and toughness for each word therein.
<-2> - Where art the flavor text for that spell or permanent? Begone, foul card bereft of italics; I remove ye from the game! I shall play this ability as quickly as I throw a lightning bolt, and as often as I do wish.
<-8> - My works are mighty and my font is small. Cards that art in play with larger fonts than mine shall henceforth be banished from the land and the game!
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Can't agree with this. There is no way a 1BB card can make 3/1 tokens, that is a very red templent. The cost of this should be 1RB, the hybrid is silly and shows lack of understanding of the color pie. Otherwise it's an ok card.
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Can't agree with this. There is no way a 1BB card can make 3/1 tokens, that is a very red templent. The cost of this should be 1RB, the hybrid is silly and shows lack of understanding of the color pie. Otherwise it's an ok card.
Ugh....the hybrid cost was a requirement for the MCC contest....please read my earlier post where i explain it a little bit and what i wouldve done, if allowed to do it now to change the casting cost. Also i do understand the color pie, your post just shows the lack of people not reading through the thread thats only...3 pages long.
Ugh....the hybrid cost was a requirement for the MCC contest....please read my earlier post where i explain it a little bit and what i wouldve done, if allowed to do it now to change the casting cost. Also i do understand the color pie, your post just shows the lack of people not reading through the thread thats only...3 pages long.
it dosn't matter, if it's required then use it correctly. I am not trying to be rude, but wizards would never print this card cause of it's poor reflection of the color wheel.
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The Tea Party is the working class fighting against the man fighting for the working class.
It's called EDH kids, there is no such thing as commander.
Incidentally, guess what colour the first 3/1 tokens were? Black-red. It was only with Lorwyn that the 3/1 Elemental became a 'standard' token, and even in that set they only appeared on THREE cards. Apart from those three, less than exactly 50% of 3/1-token-producing cards have been monored. Even if the card would have felt better at 1BR, this cost is perfectly viable.
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again, not trying to be rude, but in the sake of a collective understanding of magic, it is not viabale at this casting cost. 1BB can not make red 3/1 elemental tokens, and therefore the cost makes no sence. It should be something like RB R/B
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This card is ridiculous I hope we never see a card on this level of power. Interesting card to be sure and very well designed but the power level is ridiculous.
BGR Jund's Kill-Spike BGR
BBB Rogues' Getting Bitter & Bigger BBB
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Yes, I know. I was onhly saying that your idea would be too good.
Nah. The chance that your opp will discard a creature is very small. Either he has really overpowered non-creature spells, has enough creatures in play to block the elementals and rather keeps the lands or he oly has creatures in his hand. (which would often mean he has enough cures to deal with the problem already) I think his cad is as it should be. Not too good, not too bad. Balance. The golden middleway. Whatever way you want to call it.
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Unless the play is based on cost, I feel that having a strict color requirement + a hybrid requirement of the same type is basically making in this case a black card that triggers red, but will rarely be played as a black+red card. This is because you don't NEED to play B+R to get it, but you MUST play B to get it. It is far far easier to produce BB than to produce BR (Maybe not in today's mana base, but in the abstract)
I feel like this is an abuse of hybrid. If it cost (B/R)RB then I wouldn't mind, because you can play it in a black deck with a splash of red, a red deck with a splash of black, and in a red+black heavy deck. But you still have to pay red and black.
It's not as bad as printing something with hybrid that shouldn't be in the colors it's in, (these abilities are all at least secondary in black if not primary, and certainly fit red+black to a T) But the fact that you don't have to play red, but you must play black makes it function even MORE like a monocolor card than hybrid normally does.
Problem is, if your opponent has only two cards in hand, and those cards are creatures, you have just made them discard their remaining threats and created two 3/1 creatures with haste that don't die at the end of your turn, all for the low, low, very low, low, low, (did I mention low?), low, low, low cost of 1BB (or 1BR of course). That is nowhere near balanced. I very much like the flavor, but the effect is way too powerful at this mana cost. At the very least the tokens should be sacrificed at end of turn.
Also, note that you can target yourself. This means that if you have 2 irrelevant creatures in your hand, or worse, creatures that you want to be in your graveyard (I can think of several) you just target yourself and deal 6 out of nowhere.
Besides that there's the problem you sketch. People are unwilling to throw creatures away. Gerrard's Verdict balanced this beatifully by rewarding you based on the number of discarded lands (the most likely card type to be ditched) and was, imho, a cleaner execution.
"Hmm... You say you only have creature spells in your hand? Suck it."
*pop*
It's pretty nice. People usually don't like discarding creatures, so it's not too overpowered, because they'll discard other spells. But, I would LOVE to see this in standard right now. "Blightning, oh, and next turn I'll play this: *pop*"
Targeting yourself... That's a good one. Sudden;y I'd love to have this card in my deck. Demigod of revenge for the win Oh, and my changeling deck, where I am allowed to play knights from my graveyard ^^
But if your opp only has two cards in hand, and hey are creatures, it is one of the moments he/she got unlcky. Besides, if he only had two cards in hand, he either already played the rest or you mad him discard it, so you probably outcombod him. I still don't think this card is too good.
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I am not taking rarity into account because this card will not be printed anyway. But what I said is that you either out comboed him or waited until he put himself in a nasty position. Besides, there are decks that don't mind to discard their creatures. Wilt-leaf liege, madness, demigod of revenge are just some examples They will become more common in sideboard f this card will be printed.
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Can't agree with this. There is no way a 1BB card can make 3/1 tokens, that is a very red templent. The cost of this should be 1RB, the hybrid is silly and shows lack of understanding of the color pie. Otherwise it's an ok card.
Ugh....the hybrid cost was a requirement for the MCC contest....please read my earlier post where i explain it a little bit and what i wouldve done, if allowed to do it now to change the casting cost. Also i do understand the color pie, your post just shows the lack of people not reading through the thread thats only...3 pages long.
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it dosn't matter, if it's required then use it correctly. I am not trying to be rude, but wizards would never print this card cause of it's poor reflection of the color wheel.
again, not trying to be rude, but in the sake of a collective understanding of magic, it is not viabale at this casting cost. 1BB can not make red 3/1 elemental tokens, and therefore the cost makes no sence. It should be something like RB R/B
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