I keep reading that printing onto cards is illegal, but hand painting isn't. Lets say for instance that you are wanting to take this Plains, and extend the art. But, you do it digitally with a tablet, leaving the original artwork in place. Then, you use this method to print your adjustments onto the card. Is there a difference between this and hand painting in WotC's eyes?
Any help on this matter would be great. Just trying to get clear on this before I get to work on my alters.
I need to stress that this is just purely altering an already purchased/legit WotC card. It's just that the border stretching/altering is done digitally instead of with acrylic paints.
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Here are my personal thoughts on this. And this is only pertaining to EXTENDING the art. Changing the art, using different art, etc is a different Can of worms.
When painting an alter, you are changing medium you are using. Going from a printed medium to a painted one. These, also, cannot be mass produced. When using a printing method (any) you are staying in the same medium to alter the card. This puts it into, in my opinion, a really gray area. Unlike the painted alters, these can be easily mass produced. The method can also be used to produce counterfeit cards. It would be best to stay away from anything that has its roots in counterfeit making.
Here are my personal thoughts on this. And this is only pertaining to EXTENDING the art. Changing the art, using different art, etc is a different Can of worms.
When painting an alter, you are changing medium you are using. Going from a printed medium to a painted one. These, also, cannot be mass produced. When using a printing method (any) you are staying in the same medium to alter the card. This puts it into, in my opinion, a really gray area. Unlike the painted alters, these can be easily mass produced. The method can also be used to produce counterfeit cards. It would be best to stay away from anything that has its roots in counterfeit making.
That makes sense, and it's good advice too. How do you feel about 3D altered cards?
Sorry if this crosses any taboos, I've revised several times to remove any hint of implying methods or techniques as that was mentioned to be verboten.
I've never understood what grounds people have for complaining about how you use good that have been legally purchased. Naturally certain processes are going to render the cards unusable in sanctioned play, but that isn't cause for lawyers to get rich. How is this different to significant things Andy Warhol did?
I don't see why WotC would (should) have an issue with their product being the raw material for an art form. They should 100% care about people do that using counterfeits but when they are real cards where is their concern?
You're allowed to sell your car after you install a larger engine in it. (or at least the limitations are around safety not the copyright of the car manufacturer)
Derivative works where you have copied/counterfeited the original thing are very different to where you use the official thing. If Ai Weiwei was producing his own Lego(R) blocks he'd be in a lot of legal hot water. But as he buys real Lego(R) blocks from The Lego GroupTM their is no problem. They even recently reverse their decision to restrict the sale of bulk blocks when the art would be political.
The car example is a bit different than what is going on here.
When you print on a card, even as an extension, you make it more susceptible to being called a fake. Even if you are just "adding an extension". While it can be proven that you only extended PART of the image, that does not show very easily. I would stay away from this type of card as it has a higher CHANCE of being fake. As with any card, I would avoid the word "printed" if that was attached to it.
I'm not saying whether it is legal or illegal, all I'm saying is that I would avoid this type of altering as you could get caught up in the whole "printing counterfeits" bubble unintentionally.
Any help on this matter would be great. Just trying to get clear on this before I get to work on my alters.
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URGEDH Biovisionary.dec BShirei WBSelenia
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My main question/concern is whether WotC sees a difference between art borders being extended manually (hand painted) vs printed (digitally painted).
When painting an alter, you are changing medium you are using. Going from a printed medium to a painted one. These, also, cannot be mass produced. When using a printing method (any) you are staying in the same medium to alter the card. This puts it into, in my opinion, a really gray area. Unlike the painted alters, these can be easily mass produced. The method can also be used to produce counterfeit cards. It would be best to stay away from anything that has its roots in counterfeit making.
URGEDH Biovisionary.dec BShirei WBSelenia
The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body
That makes sense, and it's good advice too. How do you feel about 3D altered cards?
I've never understood what grounds people have for complaining about how you use good that have been legally purchased. Naturally certain processes are going to render the cards unusable in sanctioned play, but that isn't cause for lawyers to get rich. How is this different to significant things Andy Warhol did?
I don't see why WotC would (should) have an issue with their product being the raw material for an art form. They should 100% care about people do that using counterfeits but when they are real cards where is their concern?
Derivative works where you have copied/counterfeited the original thing are very different to where you use the official thing. If Ai Weiwei was producing his own Lego(R) blocks he'd be in a lot of legal hot water. But as he buys real Lego(R) blocks from The Lego GroupTM their is no problem. They even recently reverse their decision to restrict the sale of bulk blocks when the art would be political.
When you print on a card, even as an extension, you make it more susceptible to being called a fake. Even if you are just "adding an extension". While it can be proven that you only extended PART of the image, that does not show very easily. I would stay away from this type of card as it has a higher CHANCE of being fake. As with any card, I would avoid the word "printed" if that was attached to it.
I'm not saying whether it is legal or illegal, all I'm saying is that I would avoid this type of altering as you could get caught up in the whole "printing counterfeits" bubble unintentionally.
URGEDH Biovisionary.dec BShirei WBSelenia
The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body