I use golden heavy body titanium white for my basing i water it down just a touch. you need to be careful to get a nice even smooth coat with it its thicker and covers better and with practice you can get it pretty thin on the card. that's just my preference though. i was having the same problem. also when basing make sure your paint is completely dry before adding another layer or you will just lift the one under it. acrylic is water salable as long as it has not completely cured. once dried it takes alcohol or acetone to cut through it.
Painting and drawing are two very different creatures in my opinion. painting is more about color and shape while drawing is more line work and fine detail. Both are skills that must be used and honed to be good at dont get discouraged and dont give up you will never get good if you dont try and please for the love of god dont jump right into ur pile of rares! start small lands are great practice u got loads and they are easy to show off. Watch alot of youtube videos. and if you are just painting dont acetone or erease your cards its pointless and just ruins them. Good Luck!
Painting and drawing are two very different creatures in my opinion. painting is more about color and shape while drawing is more line work and fine detail. Both are skills that must be used and honed to be good at dont get discouraged and dont give up you will never get good if you dont try and please for the love of god dont jump right into ur pile of rares! start small lands are great practice u got loads and they are easy to show off. Watch alot of youtube videos. and if you are just painting dont acetone or erease your cards its pointless and just ruins them. Good Luck!
All of this. Though, depending on the type of alter you are doing, drawing and painting could go hand in hand. Extensions and such don't really require you to have drawing skills, only that you have painting skills (color matching). When you start getting into anime/cartoon alters you don't need the painting skills as much (though they help) as these types tend to use flat colors with not much blending. The drawing/tracing skill comes into play there. Original art alters are the ones that require a bit of both skill sets. Mind you this is an over generalization of the types of alters and skills needed. As with anything, learn from others as much as you can and practice, practice, practice. Sharing with the community (we have an alter thread here) will help with getting critiques from those who do this.
I have been having problems with my drawn cartoon alters. I use prismacolor markers for my coloring and sharpie for my lining. The prismacolors tend to make the black ink smear and bleed muddying the picture does any one have any suggestions to get a clean crisp look on drawn cards? Also any suggestions for more reliable lining markers? Fine rip sharpies prismacolors and Sakura pens tend to plug up and get streaky and spotty.
I have been having problems with my drawn cartoon alters. I use prismacolor markers for my coloring and sharpie for my lining. The prismacolors tend to make the black ink smear and bleed muddying the picture does any one have any suggestions to get a clean crisp look on drawn cards? Also any suggestions for more reliable lining markers? Fine rip sharpies prismacolors and Sakura pens tend to plug up and get streaky and spotty.
I've no experience with sharpie/marker alters. But when I do a painted alter, I tend to do the fine line details AFTER all my colors have been done. That way the linework is the uppermost layer. I Essentially Layer as so:
Card Face
Base coat or De-Inking
pencil work with quick inking
Color (paint and prismacolor)
Final ink work with details added
If i'm not mistaken, Prismacolor markers are alcohol based which is good for breaking down the sharpie ink. Which might be why you get smearing.
Yeah, the issue is largely that you are using Sharpies and Prismacolors. Sharpie doesn't make a marker/pen that makes a tight enough line that I know if so it's like driving a snowplow through a grocery store when you line with them on cards. I use Micron's .oo5 pen as well as a prismacolor pen that I'm pretty sure they discontinued 5-6 years ago. Using markers might work just fine for coloring but I've never had any luck getting them how I want. Either way make sure you test on a blanked out card to see how the solvents react with one another.
i have had the same issue with Sakura microns and prismacolor lining markers. im using an ~.05 sharpie marker atm because i plugged my micron the first time i used them.. -_- i waited a month for them to come in the mail and 15 mins after opening them.. ugh. Thanx for your tips guys.
I want to start altering. What would you recommend besides acetone to remove card art
Depending on what medium you will be using I'd advise against using acetone. Though, I do use it a LOT to Clear off foils for artists to art all over. It can seep into the cardstock and if you are unlucky it will cause your art to peel off (paints) or smear (inks/markers) at a later time. If for some reason you NEED to remove the art from the cardstock, I'd suggest the old eraser trick. It takes a lot of physical work but it leaves a nice smooth surface for inking.
I'm new to altering but after experimenting i think it's best you leave the original image intact, a thin priming coat works perfectly fine!
I have to say that I've used many methods for "priming" a card, and this is the best method for all non-inking jobs. I also suggest using not white. Some offwhite/grey color seems to work wonders for me, I like that in many cases it seems that a grey priming makes the colors seem bolder. Though it could just be my broken eyes.
Aggressive is an understatement. It is best to mask off what you want to keep and then taking an eraser and rubbing with lots of force to remove the ink. It takes A LONG time to complete. Once you get a small part going, it still takes forever. I've chewed through almost a full magic rub eraser clearing out the artbox of a card.
This was my first attempt at an art nouveau alter it took me about an hour and a half to two hours to do I'm happy with the results but not thrilled I started a second one it's not even half done and I'm 3 hours in. But it is looking like it will not turn out much better than my first does anyone have any suggestions for acquiring the smooth solid opaque yet thin colors needed for these alters? I already know my pen is too thick for my lining and I'm getting a new set of Sakura pens soon but also I seem to be having trouble finding thin enough brushes for the detail work? Any feedback would be great thanks
There are two contradictory lines the way I read it. The conditions say it must have either a black or white border. However changing the color of my border is an artistic alteration.
This is a pretty big point for me as I really love altering the card borders with fun designs.
I'd say at competitive REL, maybe not, the reasoning being that during shuffling, the blue borders kind of stand out making it more easily manipulated to a strategic position during shuffling. I think that if a player were playing a deck where only the lands were white bordered, it might be possible to have a judge rule against this as well despite it being technically "legal," but then again my entire Storm deck is black border except for the duals, and I don't forsee myself getting called on it. But then again, I'm not a judge and I think ultimately it would be at head judge discretion. Of course, it's freaking lightning bolt, so I'd play these all day unless I went into an actual event and then I'd just swap in some normal bolts.
TLDR: Head judge discretion, I don't think I would consider this blatantly illegal.
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This was my first attempt at an art nouveau alter it took me about an hour and a half to two hours to do I'm happy with the results but not thrilled I started a second one it's not even half done and I'm 3 hours in. But it is looking like it will not turn out much better than my first does anyone have any suggestions for acquiring the smooth solid opaque yet thin colors needed for these alters? I already know my pen is too thick for my lining and I'm getting a new set of Sakura pens soon but also I seem to be having trouble finding thin enough brushes for the detail work? Any feedback would be great thanks
Use a gray tone for your primer. That will help cover the the cardface. When I primer my cards I use a sponge with tight pockets. A bit more loose than a makeup sponge to give my primer something for my paints/pencils to stick to. If you want to stick with white primer, then maybe erase the cardface, but that does take a bit of physical effort.
There are two contradictory lines the way I read it. The conditions say it must have either a black or white border. However changing the color of my border is an artistic alteration.
This is a pretty big point for me as I really love altering the card borders with fun designs.
Can anyone tell me if the below alters are legal?
Ebonclaw is pretty much right. This is up the head judge, but I can't really see them say you can't use these. But always make sure and have a spare playset of Bolts on you just in case. The use of altered cards in competitive play is a slippery one to nail down, as you may get different answers from different judges. Overall, it is best/safest to just use non-altered cards if you are worried about this issue.
Ebonclaw is pretty much right. This is up the head judge, but I can't really see them say you can't use these. But always make sure and have a spare playset of Bolts on you just in case. The use of altered cards in competitive play is a slippery one to nail down, as you may get different answers from different judges. Overall, it is best/safest to just use non-altered cards if you are worried about this issue.
I've seen my alters at SCG events and the last ones I saw had the old art completely replaced. I've also seen playsets of my extended art that had the borders painted over. I'd think that if you can play altered cards at Starcity Modern and Legacy events there is room out there for smoothly finished alters.
I see people citing the page above once in a while as a reason why they don't want to paint their cards, but I've seen so many painted cards make it high level tournaments that I don't think that it's really an authority.
Ebonclaw is pretty much right. This is up the head judge, but I can't really see them say you can't use these. But always make sure and have a spare playset of Bolts on you just in case. The use of altered cards in competitive play is a slippery one to nail down, as you may get different answers from different judges. Overall, it is best/safest to just use non-altered cards if you are worried about this issue.
I've seen my alters at SCG events and the last ones I saw had the old art completely replaced. I've also seen playsets of my extended art that had the borders painted over. I'd think that if you can play altered cards at Starcity Modern and Legacy events there is room out there for smoothly finished alters.
I see people citing the page above once in a while as a reason why they don't want to paint their cards, but I've seen so many painted cards make it high level tournaments that I don't think that it's really an authority.
I'm with you on this one, especially since there was some Snoopy altered somethings at a PT/GP/Somewhere make it on one of the Camera tables. But I like to err on the side of caution and have a back up plan.
Any basic tutorials or videos on making white border cards black? I'd like to do it with a minimum of bleed on the borders of the card so I don't get some officious little snot calling a judge on me about my Nether Spirits.
i would mask off the inside of the borders then go around very carefully with some slightly watered down good quality black acrylic. maybe a touch of white just to tone the black down to where it needs to be. (check your shade on a land to make sure it is right) if you apply it good and thin and smooth then you should be able to play with it sleeved and no one would be the wiser.. but you should always run all alters past your judge first then that little snot can go blow it out his @$$ cuz you already got it approved.
I have a question about sealing alters. I was wondering what kind of sealant to use I have a spray acrylic sealer and I absolutely hate it, I spray on a few thin coats and it give the cards a spotty texture and rough feel. Am I just using the wrong product should I be using a brush on varnish and If so does anyone have any suggestions? I am trying to get my work to a professional quality but I have been having a lot of trouble finding out which products the pros actually use. I am currently using golden fluid acrylic and a faber castell pitt xs pen for my paintings and acetone and prismacolor markers for my drawn alters
I'm currently a person with no painting skills and very, very minor drawing skills.
Is this something I could pick up? Or do you think that I should better drawing first before going for painting of any sort?
Thanks.
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Card Face
Base coat or De-Inking
pencil work with quick inking
Color (paint and prismacolor)
Final ink work with details added
If i'm not mistaken, Prismacolor markers are alcohol based which is good for breaking down the sharpie ink. Which might be why you get smearing.
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I have to say that I've used many methods for "priming" a card, and this is the best method for all non-inking jobs. I also suggest using not white. Some offwhite/grey color seems to work wonders for me, I like that in many cases it seems that a grey priming makes the colors seem bolder. Though it could just be my broken eyes.
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The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body
URGEDH Biovisionary.dec BShirei WBSelenia
The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body
There are two contradictory lines the way I read it. The conditions say it must have either a black or white border. However changing the color of my border is an artistic alteration.
This is a pretty big point for me as I really love altering the card borders with fun designs.
Can anyone tell me if the below alters are legal?
TLDR: Head judge discretion, I don't think I would consider this blatantly illegal.
EDH: Grand Arbiter $tax, Freyalise Stompy, Mimeoplasm Death From the Grave
Ebonclaw is pretty much right. This is up the head judge, but I can't really see them say you can't use these. But always make sure and have a spare playset of Bolts on you just in case. The use of altered cards in competitive play is a slippery one to nail down, as you may get different answers from different judges. Overall, it is best/safest to just use non-altered cards if you are worried about this issue.
URGEDH Biovisionary.dec BShirei WBSelenia
The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body
I see people citing the page above once in a while as a reason why they don't want to paint their cards, but I've seen so many painted cards make it high level tournaments that I don't think that it's really an authority.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
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The brain is the muscle that pumps stupid through the body
Thanks!