Do the kittens have to be together to summon Shazam, or can they do it independently? Because if they could, they could probably wear down Goku by playing hit-and-run.
Well Goku can certainly beat seven kittens, so this seems like a pretty easy win for him.
Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
Well Goku can certainly beat seven kittens, so this seems like a pretty easy win for him.
Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
I'm not sure this is correct. I seem to recall that someone (on reddit) did the math on Saiyin power levels vs Superman and determined that Goku would win in a fight.
Superman is strong and tough, but he was literally bludgeoned to death by Apocalypse back in The Death of Superman. If Shazam's power level is comparable, I'm pretty sure Goku can win.
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Do the kittens have to be together to summon Shazam, or can they do it independently? Because if they could, they could probably wear down Goku by playing hit-and-run.
The kittens would need to be together, but Goku has traditionally shown a desire to let his opponents get to their maximum strength. Plus he wouldn't necessarily know that the kittens can summon shazam. I don't think he would kill the kittens to prevent the summoning
Well Goku can certainly beat seven kittens, so this seems like a pretty easy win for him.
Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
You should try reading some of his actual comics, particular those in the "best of" lists. The character, as he actually plays out, is great.
Well Goku can certainly beat seven kittens, so this seems like a pretty easy win for him.
Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
I'm not sure this is correct. I seem to recall that someone (on reddit) did the math on Saiyin power levels vs Superman and determined that Goku would win in a fight.
Superman is strong and tough, but he was literally bludgeoned to death by Apocalypse back in The Death of Superman. If Shazam's power level is comparable, I'm pretty sure Goku can win.
Power level isn't everything and "I saw it on reddit" isn't exactly a great starting place for a discussion. Power level needs to be converted into real world terms before we can compare the characters, if you wish to go that rout.
Well Goku can certainly beat seven kittens, so this seems like a pretty easy win for him.
Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
I'm not sure this is correct. I seem to recall that someone (on reddit) did the math on Saiyin power levels vs Superman and determined that Goku would win in a fight.
Superman is strong and tough, but he was literally bludgeoned to death by Apocalypse back in The Death of Superman. If Shazam's power level is comparable, I'm pretty sure Goku can win.
Superman's power is wildly inconsistent, it is true. (although so is goku's). But the numbers I have seen (to the extent numbers matter) would put goku an order of orders of magnitude weaker than superman. Would be happy to look at other examples based on some kind of facts.
Verbal, Screw Attack was never a good refference for a Goku vs Superman and everyone knows it. Goku's strenght has already put in numbers... Well we do know it's above 9000.
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but what does "above 9000" MEAN in terms of limits and abilities?
Superman's abilities are shown in quantifiable terms that we can understand. He is capable of lifting OVER 200 QUINTILLION TONS, He can fly FROM THE EARTH TO THE SUN in just under 8 minutes, tanked the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS and came out smiling... the list goes on.
All I saw for Goku that actually put his abilities in perspective was his weighted armor at the beginning of the series, and the weight he lifted with King Kai. The armor was (I believe) a total of 100 kilos, and the weights he struggled to lift amounted to 40 tons.
Now, taking into account King Kai's planet's gravity, that is 400 tons of weight that Goku lifts in base form. They also stated that was his limit. The Super Sayian form multiplies the abilities and strengths of the user by 50, which would be 2000 tons as his limit in Super Sayian 1 form. Each further form doubles the strength, so a Super Sayian 2 would be able to lift 4000 tons and a super sayian 3 would be able to lift 8000 tons.
Now, compare. what is bigger, 8000 tons or 200 quintillion tons?
Goku, during the Cell saga, was killed by an explosion that was supposed to destroy the earth. Then, there is Superman, who REPEATEDLY took the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS to the face, and kept on fighting.
Now, what has more destructive force? an earth destroying bomb, or 15 supernovas?
On the matter of speed: Superman can move faster than the human eye can see, and can see things that are invisible to just about anyone. Goku has been repeatedly confused when his opponent's move faster than the human eye can perceive.
But, that is not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread is if Goku could beat 7 kittens who can summon Shazam!, and it depends on several factors: can Goku sense the kitten's ki signatures? how long does it take for the kittens to summon Shazam!? What does Goku know about Shazam!? Does Goku WANT to fight Shazam!?
In universes wbere a group summon shazam it works almost like captain planet rules. They either shout at the same time or, sometime, go in order. Since these are kittens and don't, presumably, speak english, they would just look like ordinary cats since they use magic, not ki, to summon shazam.
I'd say its unlikely, without prior knowledge, that goku, even if he could defeat shazam, would ever know that the cats were involved.
but what does "above 9000" MEAN in terms of limits and abilities?
Superman's abilities are shown in quantifiable terms that we can understand. He is capable of lifting OVER 200 QUINTILLION TONS, He can fly FROM THE EARTH TO THE SUN in just under 8 minutes, tanked the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS and came out smiling... the list goes on.
All I saw for Goku that actually put his abilities in perspective was his weighted armor at the beginning of the series, and the weight he lifted with King Kai. The armor was (I believe) a total of 100 kilos, and the weights he struggled to lift amounted to 40 tons.
Now, taking into account King Kai's planet's gravity, that is 400 tons of weight that Goku lifts in base form. They also stated that was his limit. The Super Sayian form multiplies the abilities and strengths of the user by 50, which would be 2000 tons as his limit in Super Sayian 1 form. Each further form doubles the strength, so a Super Sayian 2 would be able to lift 4000 tons and a super sayian 3 would be able to lift 8000 tons.
Now, compare. what is bigger, 8000 tons or 200 quintillion tons?
Goku, during the Cell saga, was killed by an explosion that was supposed to destroy the earth. Then, there is Superman, who REPEATEDLY took the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS to the face, and kept on fighting.
Now, what has more destructive force? an earth destroying bomb, or 15 supernovas?
On the matter of speed: Superman can move faster than the human eye can see, and can see things that are invisible to just about anyone. Goku has been repeatedly confused when his opponent's move faster than the human eye can perceive.
But, that is not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread is if Goku could beat 7 kittens who can summon Shazam!, and it depends on several factors: can Goku sense the kitten's ki signatures? how long does it take for the kittens to summon Shazam!? What does Goku know about Shazam!? Does Goku WANT to fight Shazam!?
You sound exacly like death attack.
You know what makes Goku sound more impressive? He can destroy the earth. The total energy output needed to be able to destroy earth is massive on a stupid scale (like superman). Except Vegeta could do it, when he lost to Goku, who's power level was above 8000 (manga quote).
Now, I see you are quoting the "15 supernovae to the face" thing. I find that hilarious, cause I bring this up all the time. I bet you don't know where that comes from. Either way, if we are to extrapolate -> Superman can survive 15 supernovae to the face. You know what else can survive 15 supernovae? Apparently a normal human standing 20 feet away. Those are some pretty weak supernovas. And in that show, you see superman getting beat up. Like popped eye blood vessel beat up. Far from invulnerable. Also we don't know the gravity of the planet where Goku lifted the 40 tons. You assumed it was the same as king kai's planet. The planet was, however, incredibly massive compared to king kai's planet.
I am not going to debate this, as that is not the purpose of the thread. If you want to rehash this same discussion, open a new thread, please. The discussion is in the title.
I would agree with ECP, assuming the kittens are, indeed, using magic and not some form of communication.
Also, does Goku know when they start? and how long does it take for Shazam! to show? Do the kittens need to maintain the connection until Shazam! shows up? Would Goku even WANT to stop the summoning, in order to fight Shazam!?
Traditionally in comics, there is a near instantaneous swap via lightning bolt. Once the phrase has been uttered, whatever the phrase is for the character in question, bolt swap etc
It'd be quite likely, both given that goku likes to fight strong people and doesn't speak cat, that he would either be surprised by the appearance of Shazam or willingly accept the appearance of Shazam.
We have, on one side, Goku PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS, from that one show we've seen that one time verse 7 kittens would can summon Shazam from DC comics.
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Because he certainly can't beat Shazam, who is apparently (a) Roughly as strong as superman (b) roughly as fast as the flash and (c) roughly as hard to hurt as superman. (Which is to say, vastly faster and stronger than Goku).
I'd never read much about shazam more than 5 minutes ago, and now I feel like he might be the answer to a very special trivia question: The DC hero even more boring than superman.
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I'm not sure this is correct. I seem to recall that someone (on reddit) did the math on Saiyin power levels vs Superman and determined that Goku would win in a fight.
Superman is strong and tough, but he was literally bludgeoned to death by Apocalypse back in The Death of Superman. If Shazam's power level is comparable, I'm pretty sure Goku can win.
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The kittens would need to be together, but Goku has traditionally shown a desire to let his opponents get to their maximum strength. Plus he wouldn't necessarily know that the kittens can summon shazam. I don't think he would kill the kittens to prevent the summoning
You should try reading some of his actual comics, particular those in the "best of" lists. The character, as he actually plays out, is great.
I concur
Power level isn't everything and "I saw it on reddit" isn't exactly a great starting place for a discussion. Power level needs to be converted into real world terms before we can compare the characters, if you wish to go that rout.
Superman's power is wildly inconsistent, it is true. (although so is goku's). But the numbers I have seen (to the extent numbers matter) would put goku an order of orders of magnitude weaker than superman. Would be happy to look at other examples based on some kind of facts.
Superman's abilities are shown in quantifiable terms that we can understand. He is capable of lifting OVER 200 QUINTILLION TONS, He can fly FROM THE EARTH TO THE SUN in just under 8 minutes, tanked the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS and came out smiling... the list goes on.
All I saw for Goku that actually put his abilities in perspective was his weighted armor at the beginning of the series, and the weight he lifted with King Kai. The armor was (I believe) a total of 100 kilos, and the weights he struggled to lift amounted to 40 tons.
Now, taking into account King Kai's planet's gravity, that is 400 tons of weight that Goku lifts in base form. They also stated that was his limit. The Super Sayian form multiplies the abilities and strengths of the user by 50, which would be 2000 tons as his limit in Super Sayian 1 form. Each further form doubles the strength, so a Super Sayian 2 would be able to lift 4000 tons and a super sayian 3 would be able to lift 8000 tons.
Now, compare. what is bigger, 8000 tons or 200 quintillion tons?
Goku, during the Cell saga, was killed by an explosion that was supposed to destroy the earth. Then, there is Superman, who REPEATEDLY took the equivalent of 15 SUPERNOVAS to the face, and kept on fighting.
Now, what has more destructive force? an earth destroying bomb, or 15 supernovas?
On the matter of speed: Superman can move faster than the human eye can see, and can see things that are invisible to just about anyone. Goku has been repeatedly confused when his opponent's move faster than the human eye can perceive.
But, that is not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread is if Goku could beat 7 kittens who can summon Shazam!, and it depends on several factors: can Goku sense the kitten's ki signatures? how long does it take for the kittens to summon Shazam!? What does Goku know about Shazam!? Does Goku WANT to fight Shazam!?
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I'd say its unlikely, without prior knowledge, that goku, even if he could defeat shazam, would ever know that the cats were involved.
You sound exacly like death attack.
You know what makes Goku sound more impressive? He can destroy the earth. The total energy output needed to be able to destroy earth is massive on a stupid scale (like superman). Except Vegeta could do it, when he lost to Goku, who's power level was above 8000 (manga quote).
Now, I see you are quoting the "15 supernovae to the face" thing. I find that hilarious, cause I bring this up all the time. I bet you don't know where that comes from. Either way, if we are to extrapolate -> Superman can survive 15 supernovae to the face. You know what else can survive 15 supernovae? Apparently a normal human standing 20 feet away. Those are some pretty weak supernovas. And in that show, you see superman getting beat up. Like popped eye blood vessel beat up. Far from invulnerable. Also we don't know the gravity of the planet where Goku lifted the 40 tons. You assumed it was the same as king kai's planet. The planet was, however, incredibly massive compared to king kai's planet.
I would agree with ECP, assuming the kittens are, indeed, using magic and not some form of communication.
Also, does Goku know when they start? and how long does it take for Shazam! to show? Do the kittens need to maintain the connection until Shazam! shows up? Would Goku even WANT to stop the summoning, in order to fight Shazam!?
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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who can make reasonable conclusions based on conjecture.
It'd be quite likely, both given that goku likes to fight strong people and doesn't speak cat, that he would either be surprised by the appearance of Shazam or willingly accept the appearance of Shazam.
Nothing about the shazam mythos involves that kind of thing.