The flip side to the range argument is Look how fast they TRAVEL that kind of range? every citizen would be extremely mobile.
What are you referring to? Mounts? World War I showed pretty definitively why those are obsolete in the modern era. Hearthstone and portals? Don't help you engage with the enemy, and certainly not "every citizen" has access to them anyway.
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Wait, seriously? A player can run the length of Azeroth in an hour or so, and your conclusion is "characters must move at hundreds of miles per hour" rather than "Azeroth must be really small"?
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yes that is my conclusion.How you suggest a continent could be that small I do not know.
They're called "islands".
Estimates I've found indicate WoW's main "continents" are each on the order of the size of the isle of Manhattan, ranging from a bit smaller to about twice as big. (The smaller estimate sounds like it used better methodology, for what it's worth.) And this discussion points out the obvious:
It's certainly worth mentioning that the World of Warcraft version of Azeroth is, for the sake of a playable game, not intended to be "to scale," and I guess at some point, you really do have to throw up your hands and just admit that it's magic. And, you know, a video game.
But come, tell us more about your theory, how video-game Azeroth is actually the size of a real continent and characters jog at (according to some quick calculations I just made) about Mach 4. Oh, they should also stand over half a mile tall. And clearly when tooltips say "yards" they mean a unit of fifteen hundred feet, not three feet.
I could fit hundreds of thousands of Azeroths into Russia. There would not even be any need to fight them. They would get hopelessly lost and suicide, incapable of bearing the gloom and desolation of endless uninhabitad wastelands that is my country. It's not even close.
Fun fact: If you drown every human in the world in lake Baikal, its water level will rise by 30 centimeters.
Ruling out nukes because it ruins the fun.. Azeroth doesn't get to call up any of their gods for the same reason. Also assuming everyone goes all-in on this WW2 style so no civil strife. Also don't know the WoW lore super well, so I'm going to get stuff wrong.
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Sustainability: America's army mobility is super reliant on petrol, and we'd use it up fast in total war. We have our own, enough to keep the army going at least, but there'd be a period of vulnerability after stores ran out and before we had drilling operational. Very arbitrary estimate here, 3 years before we just run out of fuel.
Azeroth's forces are scattered, but they're as powerful as they could possibly be with their resources. If they just survive until America runs out we'd be a ground based force with no magic and no idea how to really conduct this kind of war (not that they'd know either, but they'd have a better starting point).
Population: The US has about 300 million people and the army has about 2 million guys right now. I'm assuming they all came with the country when it moved to Azeroth.
Making up some numbers (with generous rounding)for Azeroth's population. 100 million. If they're WAY more military-centric than America I give them an army of 1.5 million. That includes various unaligned heroes and the various dragons and non-deity super beings running around Azeroth.
Mobility: The American army is sufficiently fast that it renders comparison to Azeroth's forces irrelevant.
Azeroth, however, has teleportation. Looking it up, it seems to be impossible to use on armies, but it's possible specialized units could infiltrate America, summon reinforcements, do devastating damage, and then vanish back home before we could effectively retaliate.
Offense: No need to do a rundown for either side, it's no contest.
Overall: Assuming neither side had time to prepare, America's air force would devastate the capitol cities of Azeroth, the navy would make the country immune to large scale invasion while also dominating the coast, and a machine gun can hold off a nearly infinite number of guys with swords. The Americans would take the occasional loss for unexpectedly having to fight the Lich King or something, but it's nothing that couldn't be solved with bombs.
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Amerika has moar dakka.
Any modern country that wouldn't collapse from lack of trade would still win, and even without the absurdly huge volume of stuff America has it'd still be a non-fight. Like, less than 6 months.
As I am from the USA, I say we win. That is the only acceptable response an American can give.
To back it up:
1. Nuclear weapon tech
2. Other far advanced military tech vs. a society that is in the industrial age of weaponry (I'll take our most advanced jets vs. Deathwing any day)
3. We have Toby Keith to write war hymns to inspire our soldiers
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Remember what we did to Japan with just a couple of atom bombs? Say goodbye Azeroth. Let's not even begin talking biological warfare, something else that would entirely wipe out Azeroth within weeks.
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What are you referring to? Mounts? World War I showed pretty definitively why those are obsolete in the modern era. Hearthstone and portals? Don't help you engage with the enemy, and certainly not "every citizen" has access to them anyway.
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candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
They're called "islands".
Estimates I've found indicate WoW's main "continents" are each on the order of the size of the isle of Manhattan, ranging from a bit smaller to about twice as big. (The smaller estimate sounds like it used better methodology, for what it's worth.) And this discussion points out the obvious: But come, tell us more about your theory, how video-game Azeroth is actually the size of a real continent and characters jog at (according to some quick calculations I just made) about Mach 4. Oh, they should also stand over half a mile tall. And clearly when tooltips say "yards" they mean a unit of fifteen hundred feet, not three feet.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Fun fact: If you drown every human in the world in lake Baikal, its water level will rise by 30 centimeters.
Long version-
Sustainability: America's army mobility is super reliant on petrol, and we'd use it up fast in total war. We have our own, enough to keep the army going at least, but there'd be a period of vulnerability after stores ran out and before we had drilling operational. Very arbitrary estimate here, 3 years before we just run out of fuel.
Azeroth's forces are scattered, but they're as powerful as they could possibly be with their resources. If they just survive until America runs out we'd be a ground based force with no magic and no idea how to really conduct this kind of war (not that they'd know either, but they'd have a better starting point).
Population: The US has about 300 million people and the army has about 2 million guys right now. I'm assuming they all came with the country when it moved to Azeroth.
Making up some numbers (with generous rounding)for Azeroth's population. 100 million. If they're WAY more military-centric than America I give them an army of 1.5 million. That includes various unaligned heroes and the various dragons and non-deity super beings running around Azeroth.
Mobility: The American army is sufficiently fast that it renders comparison to Azeroth's forces irrelevant.
Azeroth, however, has teleportation. Looking it up, it seems to be impossible to use on armies, but it's possible specialized units could infiltrate America, summon reinforcements, do devastating damage, and then vanish back home before we could effectively retaliate.
Offense: No need to do a rundown for either side, it's no contest.
Overall: Assuming neither side had time to prepare, America's air force would devastate the capitol cities of Azeroth, the navy would make the country immune to large scale invasion while also dominating the coast, and a machine gun can hold off a nearly infinite number of guys with swords. The Americans would take the occasional loss for unexpectedly having to fight the Lich King or something, but it's nothing that couldn't be solved with bombs.
Short version-
Amerika has moar dakka.
Any modern country that wouldn't collapse from lack of trade would still win, and even without the absurdly huge volume of stuff America has it'd still be a non-fight. Like, less than 6 months.
To back it up:
1. Nuclear weapon tech
2. Other far advanced military tech vs. a society that is in the industrial age of weaponry (I'll take our most advanced jets vs. Deathwing any day)
3. We have Toby Keith to write war hymns to inspire our soldiers