Before Palpatine's death is technically before his final death, which was at the end of Dark Empire. Also, Force Storm was used repeatably in Dark Empire, which shows that it can be used multiple times.
I meant before his ROTJ Death, which is what the OP specified. And as far as the force storm, I meant rapidly, not repeatedly.
Actually, the OP does not specify which death it was talking about.
The Spirit of the OP was his death in RotJ, only a few, die hard fans really know that there were multiple palpatine clones.
The Films leave it as his death. That's the only one most people would be familiar with.
So, basically, you have a half-corpse palpatine and Darth Vader, who are like, the last force-users openly strutting their stuff, versus a galaxy filled with beings who are capable of much more than them. Psykers and Librarians are no easy foe, If one Librarian has the guts and skills to stand up to a Bloodthirster, and almost win (remember, Bloodthirsters are avatars of the Chaos God Khorne, Their martial prowess and physical strength are universally feared. The Bloodthirster is the ultimate embodiment of battle) Then just one would definitely be more than a handful for Darth Vader and Palpatine, who in his decripid age I don't expect to last long in a physical confrontation.
Then there's the Grey Knights, all of which are inherently Psychic (Brotherhood of Psykers, All utilize Psychic Hoods to contentrate and hone their abilities, and block the abilities of their enemies.) And they use shells blessed by tears from the Emperor. Making them stronger. Psybolt shells are kinda nasty. They're highly trained to fight the supernatural abilities of their enemies. So, they can fight Darth and palpatine pretty handily. And they have Personal Teleporters so they could just teleport into Palpatine's conference chamber, and slay him.
Also, who do you think is the more invigorated fighter? one who fights for political dominance through trickery and subterfuge, or one who fights with Religious Zeal?
I'm going with the Zealots who fight in the Emprah's name.
"Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic."
First, how do you know that the OP isn't a Star Wars fan? This is a forum for a nerdy card game after all.
Second, post RotJ material was brought up before without any consequences.
Fourth, your comment about teleporting into Palpatine's chambers and killing him also works in reverse with a Force Storm on the Golden Throne, which would make the Imperium unable to travel through the Warp and quickly make it dissolve without the personality cult of the Emperor existing.
Before Palpatine's death is technically before his final death, which was at the end of Dark Empire. Also, Force Storm was used repeatably in Dark Empire, which shows that it can be used multiple times.
I meant before his ROTJ Death, which is what the OP specified. And as far as the force storm, I meant rapidly, not repeatedly.
Actually, the OP does not specify which death it was talking about.
The Spirit of the OP was his death in RotJ, only a few, die hard fans really know that there were multiple palpatine clones.
The Films leave it as his death. That's the only one most people would be familiar with.
So, basically, you have a half-corpse palpatine and Darth Vader, who are like, the last force-users openly strutting their stuff, versus a galaxy filled with beings who are capable of much more than them. Psykers and Librarians are no easy foe, If one Librarian has the guts and skills to stand up to a Bloodthirster, and almost win (remember, Bloodthirsters are avatars of the Chaos God Khorne, Their martial prowess and physical strength are universally feared. The Bloodthirster is the ultimate embodiment of battle) Then just one would definitely be more than a handful for Darth Vader and Palpatine, who in his decripid age I don't expect to last long in a physical confrontation.
Then there's the Grey Knights, all of which are inherently Psychic (Brotherhood of Psykers, All utilize Psychic Hoods to contentrate and hone their abilities, and block the abilities of their enemies.) And they use shells blessed by tears from the Emperor. Making them stronger. Psybolt shells are kinda nasty. They're highly trained to fight the supernatural abilities of their enemies. So, they can fight Darth and palpatine pretty handily. And they have Personal Teleporters so they could just teleport into Palpatine's conference chamber, and slay him.
Also, who do you think is the more invigorated fighter? one who fights for political dominance through trickery and subterfuge, or one who fights with Religious Zeal?
I'm going with the Zealots who fight in the Emprah's name.
"Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic."
First, how do you know that the OP isn't a Star Wars fan? This is a forum for a nerdy card game after all.
Second, post RotJ material was brought up before without any consequences.
Fourth, your comment about teleporting into Palpatine's chambers and killing him also works in reverse with a Force Storm on the Golden Throne, which would make the Imperium unable to travel through the Warp and quickly make it dissolve without the personality cult of the Emperor existing.
If the OP was a die-hard starwars fan, then this argument was skewed from the beginning. :/
How does my argument work in reverse? Cruiser can scan for Palpatine's biosignature, Grey Knights teleport in. Palpatine has ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of the 40K universe dude, he doesn't know where he's going, they don't have any Star Maps, and once the Imperium encounters them, they're basically going to say "Submit or die" at which point they'll crush whomever they encounter. They'll consider the empire to be a band of heretics, and dispatch the Grey Knights and the Sisters of Battle to deal with you.
How can palpatine "force storm" whatever that is, the Golden Throne when he has no knowledge on its' whereabouts, and likely, he won't be able to figure out given that he's being assaulted by the imperium. There are many, MANY worlds in the Imperium, you're telling me he's just going to travel to each one? Pshh, That won't work. Once he stops at one world, the Imperium will stop him.
Either that, or random realspace phenomena will destroy the empire, trust me, even realspace in 40K has its' hazards.
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you are assuming that teleportation MUST follow the Imperium's rules. we have two distinct methods going on here: one is the Warp, which is a confusing mess that apparently has just as much a chance of backfiring than working, and the other is the Force, which is a mystical thing that binds EVERY BEING IN EXISTENCE basically, and Palpatine is potentially the strongest user of the violent side of this mystical thing that ever existed. Who is to say that he just doesn't, I don't know, SEARCH THE FORCE, which is how he found Count Dooku and Darth Maul. plus, Palpatine is a HUGE Chessmaster. this is the man who orchestrated a galaxy-wide war with him on one side and his apprentice on the other. Plus, Palpatine is no slouch in the combat department, either. I believe in RotS he takes on what, four Jedi Masters at once? one of whom is the creator of the most lethal form of Lightsaber combat, and who is DECADES younger than him.
then, a few days later, takes on Yoda, who has 900 years of combat and force experience. and completely TRASHES him.
also, afaik, the Empire continued their cloning program throughout their existence. this means an essentially bottomless pit of troops to throw out, as well as the engineers and workers to assemble a HUGE armada, with the resources of an ENTIRE GALAXY to fuel it. This is not taking into account the already existing fleet and army that the Empire has, which is also large enough to police and control said galaxy. iirc, the Imperium only controls a small part of their respective galaxy. the difference in manpower and resources alone is huge.
as has been said before, the Imperium does not really have a fleet. So, the Empire's advantage is there. Bombardment from Orbit, with a few battalions of Clone Troopers to take on and slow down any psychers who try to teleport on.
also take into account Palpatine's master, Darth Plagieus the Wise, who, I don't know, LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL LIFE ITSELF. and taught Palpatine how to do it. "oh, hi, psycher. die."
so, Palpatine searches the living force (which, if you say that the warp can find palpatine but the force can't find the Emperor, I call shenanigans and fanboy.) and Force Storm, oh, I don't know, a Thermal Detonator right next to him. boom. Emperor of Man gone, as well as a good chunk of his palace or wherever he is.
and remember, two distinct methods of teleportation.
oh, did I mention that Palpatine can potentially do this from across the galaxy?
you are assuming that teleportation MUST follow the Imperium's rules. we have two distinct methods going on here: one is the Warp, which is a confusing mess that apparently has just as much a chance of backfiring than working, and the other is the Force, which is a mystical thing that binds EVERY BEING IN EXISTENCE basically, and Palpatine is potentially the strongest user of the violent side of this mystical thing that ever existed. Who is to say that he just doesn't, I don't know, SEARCH THE FORCE, which is how he found Count Dooku and Darth Maul. plus, Palpatine is a HUGE Chessmaster. this is the man who orchestrated a galaxy-wide war with him on one side and his apprentice on the other. Plus, Palpatine is no slouch in the combat department, either. I believe in RotS he takes on what, four Jedi Masters at once? one of whom is the creator of the most lethal form of Lightsaber combat, and who is DECADES younger than him.
then, a few days later, takes on Yoda, who has 900 years of combat and force experience. and completely TRASHES him.
also, afaik, the Empire continued their cloning program throughout their existence. this means an essentially bottomless pit of troops to throw out, as well as the engineers and workers to assemble a HUGE armada, with the resources of an ENTIRE GALAXY to fuel it. This is not taking into account the already existing fleet and army that the Empire has, which is also large enough to police and control said galaxy. iirc, the Imperium only controls a small part of their respective galaxy. the difference in manpower and resources alone is huge.
as has been said before, the Imperium does not really have a fleet. So, the Empire's advantage is there. Bombardment from Orbit, with a few battalions of Clone Troopers to take on and slow down any psychers who try to teleport on.
also take into account Palpatine's master, Darth Plagieus the Wise, who, I don't know, LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL LIFE ITSELF. and taught Palpatine how to do it. "oh, hi, psycher. die."
so, Palpatine searches the living force (which, if you say that the warp can find palpatine but the force can't find the Emperor, I call shenanigans and fanboy.) and Force Storm, oh, I don't know, a Thermal Detonator right next to him. boom. Emperor of Man gone, as well as a good chunk of his palace or wherever he is.
and remember, two distinct methods of teleportation.
oh, did I mention that Palpatine can potentially do this from across the galaxy?
Your entire post reeks of inaccuracy.
The Imperium doesn't have a fleet? Really?
Must not have played a game called Battlefleet: Gothic.
Although, you might be too young to remember such a thing.
Officio Assassinorum would make short work of Palpatine too.
Each Space Marine Chapter maintains its' own Battlefleet. Whilst they often fight in concert with other Imperial forces, each Chapter-Fleet is an autonomous organisation.[4]
Grey Knights Strike Cruisers are highly advanced and unique Strike Cruisers used by the Grey Knights. Possessing impressive firepower, heavy armour, and the most advanced technology and the finest engineering of the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Grey Knights' fleet of starships would be the envy of the wider Imperium if their existence were known. Their advanced technology is augmented by powerful sorcerous enchantments to protect them from the perils of the Warp. Grey Knights ships are also piloted by the most trusted and finest Navigators of the Navis Nobilite, capable of steering the most efficient courses through the unpredictable Warp.[1][2]
Because of their advanced engines and Warp Drives as well as their highly trained Navigators, Grey Knights vessels are the fastest ships in the Imperium and can respond to a Daemonic incursion long before other Imperial Forces.[1]
The Grey Knights' fleet of Strike Cruisers is based at Broadsword Station, an orbital dockyard over their Homeworld of Titan.[1]
Broadsword Station resides in geostationary orbit around Saturn's moon of Titan and is directly above the Fortress Monastery of the Grey Knights. It consists of a spidery lattice of adamantium and ceramite that holds defence lasers, shield generators, and torpedo batteries. This allows it to serve as the first line of defence for Titan if it were ever to be attacked, though it primarily serves as a transport hub as well as dockyard for the fleet of warships used by the Chapter.[1]
The Apocalypse has no other primary armament than its lance batteries and its mighty Nova Cannon. However, despite its seemingly limited armament it is able to reduce enemy ships, from escorts to large capital ships, into blazing hulks within a frighteningly short period of time.[1]
The Apocalypse has a small weapons battery on its dorsal section, and banks of lances down the port and starboard hull. Normally the weapons batteries would be used to collapse the shields of an enemy ship, before the lances rip into the ship directly. Instead, the Apocalypse uses its Nova Cannon - capable of obliterating whole squadrons of escorts in a single shot - when closing in on the enemy.[1]
The Retribution features the distinctive armoured prow of the Imperial Navy which allows it to speed headlong at the enemy fleet, ignoring all but the heaviest fire brought against it. The ship is also as fast as the main cruisers of the Imperial Fleet. Being able to keep up with them gives extra support that can be vital in a fleet engagement.[1]
The main armament of the Retribution class are the rows upon rows of mighty weapon batteries lining its sides. These are able to fire a devastating spread over extreme ranges, crippling enemy ships before they even get within range to return fire. If closing on an enemy vessel, torpedoes fired from the Retribution are equally capable of causing extreme damage. As with many Imperial battle craft, the ship is also equipped with a series of Lance turrets along the dorsal of the ship. These are more accurate than the flank batteries, but their numbers are fewer. They are normally used for finishing off an enemy ship that the main weapons have crippled, or providing return fire when the battleship is closing on its foes. Many a ship have fallen to the power of a close range broadside of a Retribution class.[1]
And that's just three classes of Battleship, There are 32, THIRTY TWO other clsses of warships available to the Imperium and in greater numbers too,
One Apocalypse Class would probably be able to obliterate an entire fleet of Star Destroyers.
Palpatine is outmatched, give it up.
BTW, All the above descriptions, copy and paste, I'm not making this stuff up.
ok, good job refuting a point I spent what, two lines on? even then, you have a small portion of a galaxy against an ENTIRE GALAXY, plus an essentially bottomless supply of troops and equipment.
you also completely ignored every other point I made. care to address them? How does the Emperor of Mankind prevent Palpatine from teleporting a Thermal Detonator right next to him from the other side of the galaxy? if I am reading right, that prevents the Imperium from using the warp, yes?
and I seriously think you underestimate how much firepower and manpower a Star Destroyer has. a mid-size Star Destroyer is 1600 meters long, with a crew of 37,000 officers and crew, with a full complement of stormtroopers numbering 9,700. This includes 6 wings of TIE fighters, Bombers, and Interceptors.
note, this is a MID SIZE star destroyer. quite a few are larger, and they number in the hundreds.
for ship to ship combat, your average Star Destroyer has a complement of 6 turbolaser batteries, 2 ion cannons, and smaller anti personell guns along its length. Next to the attack hanger are two more turbolasers. They are also capable of entering the atmosphere of a planet and supporting with ground operations.
that is the Imperator (or Imperial I) Class Star Destroyer.
and you have more than just the Star Destroyers to deal with. at the time of the Emperor's death, there was the Super Star Destroyer, which was around 3 times larger than a regular Star Destroyer.
now, I don't know the dimensions and crew makeup of the W40k ships, but based on their classification as Cruisers, this makes me think that they are not exactly main line ships. Either that, or the makers of the game have no idea how ship classifications work, because Cruisers are used more for their punch and not their armor, while battleships (which is what the Imperial class Star Destroyer is) are meant to both take and dish out a beating. Just from reading what you wrote, I am not seeing any one man fighters at all. (I am sure you are going to rage at me about that, and bring up that they do.) This means that the 6 wings of fighters that every star destroyer brings with it are basically unopposed. including the Bomber anti-cruiser TIEs.
plus, (and I have already brought this up) the Empire brings numbers to the table. there are hundreds of Star Destroyers under Palpatine's control, plus the Death Star, and they can bring the Sun Crusher out (which was basically complete by this point. it was brought out of storage AFAIK.) plus, the strategic mind of the Grand Admirals and the ruthlessness of Darth Vader, and you have quite a formidable army.
then there is Palpatine's manipulation. this is a man who managed to turn two very powerful Jedi to his cause. (Anakin and Count Dooku.) He convinced both that the enemy they had fought for their ENTIRE LIVES and had a VERY (one might almost say religious) strong reason to hate what he stood for. They both joined him.
The imperium clearly has more raw power, due to the fluff writers of 40k being some of the most dull powergamers in the business.
However.
The imperium is engaged on a massive war on all fronts that they are, frankly, losing - they beat back the various enemies, mostly, but at massive and constant cost. The notion that the entire might of the imperium could be turned towards the empire is utterly laughable.
Additionally, the notion that the enemies of the empire of man would not use this opportunity to push hard and ally with this new intruder is crazy.
What the first psyker to try to get to the emperor would discover is not an old but extremely powerful man in a chair with his chain-smoking buddy in black, but Horus reborn, the Emperor having made deals with the chaos powers and now strong beyond even the craziest star-wars writers imagining, with Vader full of demon-juice pumped up beside him.
I meant before his ROTJ Death, which is what the OP specified. And as far as the force storm, I meant rapidly, not repeatedly.
Actually, the OP does not specify which death it was talking about.
The Spirit of the OP was his death in RotJ, only a few, die hard fans really know that there were multiple palpatine clones.
The Films leave it as his death. That's the only one most people would be familiar with.
So, basically, you have a half-corpse palpatine and Darth Vader, who are like, the last force-users openly strutting their stuff, versus a galaxy filled with beings who are capable of much more than them. Psykers and Librarians are no easy foe, If one Librarian has the guts and skills to stand up to a Bloodthirster, and almost win (remember, Bloodthirsters are avatars of the Chaos God Khorne, Their martial prowess and physical strength are universally feared. The Bloodthirster is the ultimate embodiment of battle) Then just one would definitely be more than a handful for Darth Vader and Palpatine, who in his decripid age I don't expect to last long in a physical confrontation.
Then there's the Grey Knights, all of which are inherently Psychic (Brotherhood of Psykers, All utilize Psychic Hoods to contentrate and hone their abilities, and block the abilities of their enemies.) And they use shells blessed by tears from the Emperor. Making them stronger. Psybolt shells are kinda nasty. They're highly trained to fight the supernatural abilities of their enemies. So, they can fight Darth and palpatine pretty handily. And they have Personal Teleporters so they could just teleport into Palpatine's conference chamber, and slay him.
Also, who do you think is the more invigorated fighter? one who fights for political dominance through trickery and subterfuge, or one who fights with Religious Zeal?
I'm going with the Zealots who fight in the Emprah's name.
"Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic."
First, how do you know that the OP isn't a Star Wars fan? This is a forum for a nerdy card game after all.
Second, post RotJ material was brought up before without any consequences.
Fourth, your comment about teleporting into Palpatine's chambers and killing him also works in reverse with a Force Storm on the Golden Throne, which would make the Imperium unable to travel through the Warp and quickly make it dissolve without the personality cult of the Emperor existing.
If the OP was a die-hard starwars fan, then this argument was skewed from the beginning. :/
Except for the fact that he hasn't intervened in the discussion much at all.
How does my argument work in reverse? Cruiser can scan for Palpatine's biosignature, Grey Knights teleport in. Palpatine has ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of the 40K universe dude, he doesn't know where he's going, they don't have any Star Maps, and once the Imperium encounters them, they're basically going to say "Submit or die" at which point they'll crush whomever they encounter. They'll consider the empire to be a band of heretics, and dispatch the Grey Knights and the Sisters of Battle to deal with you.
How would the cruisers be able to scan for Palpatine's biosignature without knowing what it would be like?
How can palpatine "force storm" whatever that is, the Golden Throne when he has no knowledge on its' whereabouts, and likely, he won't be able to figure out given that he's being assaulted by the imperium. There are many, MANY worlds in the Imperium, you're telling me he's just going to travel to each one? Pshh, That won't work. Once he stops at one world, the Imperium will stop him.
Isn't it common knowledge that the Throne is on Terra? It isn't like Palpatine could just read the mind of a random person from the 40k universe to find out. Oh wait. Or alternatively, one of the many enemies of the Imperium could tell him. It really isn't that hard.
Seriously? What makes anyone think the Chaos Gods would side with Palpatine over, ya know, their chosen Warmaster, Abaddon? 13 Black Crusades. Almost all successful to a degree.
If Palpatine decided to "make a deal" with the Chaos Gods (which, is no easy task, he has to appeal to each of the four Chaos gods, and get them to lay down their hatred of the others to side as one) Then the Empire would fight a two-sided War, you would unite the mortal Forces of Chaos and the Imperium into fighting you. Not to mention the Eldar need the Emperor alive to keep the Daemons of Chaos where they are currently. Without the Emperor, Chaos would rule the material Universe. There are SO many Races in 40K that don't want that to happen. And BTW, the Eldar are better at everything than palpatine.
Literally, their presence in the 40K universe would unite unlikely allies. Once your purpose becomes clear (AKA, you bring a planet cracking weapon into the universe) Everyone is gonna be gunning for you.
The Orks would LOVE, ABOLUTELY LOVE to get their hands on your shiny croozers and destroyas. And that deff-star, Man, they'd love to have it.
The Ancient and powerful Eldar would use the Webway to circumvent the death star en-route to Terra, and destroy it. (No shield generator on Endor to protect it this time.)
The Dark Eldar would simply see you as another technological race to plunder and torture. More souls to devour, more slaves to have.
The Necrons likely wouldn't bother Palpatine, unless he decided to lay claim to ruling them, then the C'tan would likely just say "No" and literally start peeling the skeletons from Live Storm Troopers. The Necrons aren't kind to would-be rulers.
The Tyranids. Well, they'll devour the Empire. Palpatine lacks the knowledge how to fight them, and more advanced civilizations have fallen under the Tyranid Scourge. Evolving, adapting, surviving, conquering. They are every mortal's worst nightmare incarnate. They have no political agenda, they just feed. Tyranids live in the warp, their numbers, infinite. Whatever strategy you use to fight them, they adapt, quickly.
See where I'm going with this? If the empire tries to take out the Emperor, they literally make an enemy of EVERYONE else. Palpatine would make NO allies in the material universe. He cannot win a war against the Imperium. Seriously, if the Empire was taken out by the weak, pitiful Rebel Alliance, with less resources and less advanced technology than the Imperium, I think the Imperium will do just fine.
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...No, I'm pretty sure all those races either don't give a damn about the empire, or are vastly more interested in the fall of the Imperium than this newcomer. Sure, if the empire does win against the empire of man by killing the emperor, it's probably still bad news for them long term.
And you STILL haven't dealt with the fact that the empire can turn up at earth with a deathstar at which point it is literally game over. The star wars universe ships have a vastly faster FTL drive that isn't forced to deal with the meanderings of the warp.
The imperium is LAUGHABLY overmatched by the forces in their own galaxy. They literally are stretched to breaking and cannot possibly put serious reasources against the newcomer. The empire doesn't have to make allies, they just need to have everyone else say "Is that a moon?" for long enough for them to one shot the empire of man.
...No, I'm pretty sure all those races either don't give a damn about the empire, or are vastly more interested in the fall of the Imperium than this newcomer. Sure, if the empire does win against the empire of man by killing the emperor, it's probably still bad news for them long term.
And you STILL haven't dealt with the fact that the empire can turn up at earth with a deathstar at which point it is literally game over. The star wars universe ships have a vastly faster FTL drive that isn't forced to deal with the meanderings of the warp.
The imperium is LAUGHABLY overmatched by the forces in their own galaxy. They literally are stretched to breaking and cannot possibly put serious reasources against the newcomer. The empire doesn't have to make allies, they just need to have everyone else say "Is that a moon?" for long enough for them to one shot the empire of man.
You are laughably mistaken.
Your post reeks of fanboyism.
I'm done, Seriously, the forces stationed at Titan would be able to detect you coming, and set up barriers to prevent your further access into the star system, not to mention, if one lil fighter with one lil torpedo can blow up you space station, then one ship capable of destroying fleets shouldn't have a problem. Should it?
Oh, and wait for it, SOME OF THOSE SHIPS ARE IN BATTLEFLEET SOLAR!
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Ender's Shadow by Orsone Scott Card brought up VERY valid points against space defense bases. they are entirely impractical, because of the sheer size of space. Let's say that Titan base CAN detect them (a very long assumption, considering two completely different methods of travel.) the Death Star just warps in from a different direction. It doesn't matter if you have the best moon base in the system, because that moon base cannot protect the entire system.
on the subject of a single starfighter destroying the death star: the fighter was pi loted by the son of the most powerful Jedi to ever live, and the only reason it got close is because the Death Star's defense system is designed to protect from larger ships. it is believed that the Death Star's conventional firepower was enough to hold half the Imperial Fleet at bay.
I would say that, since the Death Star is a battlestation as well, the above complaints againsts space bases stands, except that it can move under it's own power. The FTL drive is accurate enough to bring it into the targets orbit. The reason that the Death Star didn't warp to the Yavin base was because that base was on one of Yavin's moons, and Yavin has a gravitational pull like Jupiter does, which made the FTL drive not as accurate.
note, it takes gravitational pull on that level to mess with a drive like that. less than that, and the Star can just warp in, charge up, blow the planet, and be gone in 10 minutes. Luna base is on the other side of the planet, Titan base is on the other side of the System. Goodbye planet.
and how hard would it really be to just go to the Imperium's enemies and say "hey, our beef is with them. not you. let us kill them, and we'll be gone." I think that would go over rather well.
and again, sheer weight of numbers and resources. Entire Galaxy vs part of Galaxy. No Risk supernatural powers VS. Large Risk supernatural powers. you STILL have not even tried to refute those.
also, Ion Blasters. concentrated EMP's condensed into a laser bolt. I don't think your Power Armor will work very well with that...
Yeah, there's a reason I don't refute your moot points, I don't have time, I work for a living. I don't have time to nerd-rage on the internet arguing about this crap.
I know which one is superior, 40K Is far superior than Star Wars. Period, End of discussion.
Haven't refuted my point on the blackships from 40K, meant to run in stealth, Bye Bye Death Star, can't stop something you can't see.
And Jupiter's Gravitational Pull would definitely mess with the Death Star's "light" speed, there's a big reason in star trek that they don't enter warp-speed anywhere near earth, if they can avoid it. The only time I remember them doing it was to head off the Borg Cube headed towards Earth, that was like, Life or Death. It wreaks havoc on ship and systems. So, likely, The Death Star will have to drop out of "light" speed just outside our solar system, and proceed at sublight, at that point, it'll get eaten up by Segmentum Solar's space defenses. Including the Aforementioned Apocalypse Class Battleships, ya know, the ones that can wipe out half a space fleet with one shot? Let's see how well the Death Star holds up after having a Nova Cannon Shell blasted straight through it's hull into the power core.
KABOOM.
End of Story.
Empire, Lost. Imperium, Won.
And BTW, trying to bargain with those other races, good luck with that, Tyranids can't be bargained with, and Orks would blackmail you into oblivion to not interfere. The Dark Eldar would ask for Darth Vader, for...a reason, The Eldar wouldn't let you do it. They'd rather Die than let Chaos envelop the universe. They'd stop at nothing to prevent the forces of Chaos from spilling into realspace, knowing that the Astronomican is preventing a full-scale incursion. They know it, that's why they haven't tried to attack Terra themselves.
BTW, Necrons wouldn't bargain with you, chances are they'd want to harvest you.
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Yeah, there's a reason I don't refute your moot points, I don't have time, I work for a living. I don't have time to nerd-rage on the internet arguing about this crap.
I know which one is superior, 40K Is far superior than Star Wars. Period, End of discussion.
Haven't refuted my point on the blackships from 40K, meant to run in stealth, Bye Bye Death Star, can't stop something you can't see.
And Jupiter's Gravitational Pull would definitely mess with the Death Star's "light" speed, there's a big reason in star trek that they don't enter warp-speed anywhere near earth, if they can avoid it. The only time I remember them doing it was to head off the Borg Cube headed towards Earth, that was like, Life or Death. It wreaks havoc on ship and systems. So, likely, The Death Star will have to drop out of "light" speed just outside our solar system, and proceed at sublight, at that point, it'll get eaten up by Segmentum Solar's space defenses. Including the Aforementioned Apocalypse Class Battleships, ya know, the ones that can wipe out half a space fleet with one shot? Let's see how well the Death Star holds up after having a Nova Cannon Shell blasted straight through it's hull into the power core.
KABOOM.
End of Story.
Empire, Lost. Imperium, Won.
And BTW, trying to bargain with those other races, good luck with that, Tyranids can't be bargained with, and Orks would blackmail you into oblivion to not interfere. The Dark Eldar would ask for Darth Vader, for...a reason, The Eldar wouldn't let you do it. They'd rather Die than let Chaos envelop the universe. They'd stop at nothing to prevent the forces of Chaos from spilling into realspace, knowing that the Astronomican is preventing a full-scale incursion. They know it, that's why they haven't tried to attack Terra themselves.
BTW, Necrons wouldn't bargain with you, chances are they'd want to harvest you.
You still haven't refuted my point about Force Storms though. Force Storm on the Golden Throne=dead Emperor=Destroyed Imperium=Galactic Empire wins.
Didn't I already mention, Eldar, Ancient Master Psychic Race, Can literally mind-rape Palpatine the second he voices his intentions, and blast apart his battlestation after he's a gibbering shell?
Yeah, I think I just ended your force storm argument.
I honestly don't know why I keep coming back here, this argument has been skewed since the beginning, What is this force storm thing? Is it something new? Why was it never mentioned before?
He showed ABSOLUTELY NO ABILITY to use this "force storm" in anything pre-ROTJ, one might think running the Empire is taxing on the old fella's mind. What with a pesky rebellion on his hands.
BTW, you're all so concerned about Palpatine trying to negotiate with the other races in 40K, how about the Rebel Alliance, or if I can use the EU, The New Republic? Which clearly has the resources available to fight the Empire. I assume if universes are crossing over, They would be fair game to bring in against the Empire. Which is also another nail in the coffin of palpatine, because the Rebel Alliance defeated the Empire, as well as the New Republic defeating them.
Pretty sure the Rebel Alliance/New Republic would make more friends in the 40K universe than the Empire would.
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but that's just it: were not negotiating for them to join us, we are negotiating for them to STAY OUT. you are the one who is saying that all of W40k will team up. for how long they have been fighting? I doubt it. Also, this is Empire VS. Imperium. not Star Wars VS. W40k. otherwise, Star Forge. a factory that, quite literally, produces fleets in a day. The Yuuzhan Vong, supernatural-immune warriors with planet destroying technology on EVERY CAPITOL SHIP. The Sith Empire, where literally EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER IS A MASS MURDER MACHINE. The Mandalorians, warriors so dedicated and powerful that they DROP ON YOU FROM ORBIT WHILE RIDING THEIR MOUNTS. Darth Caedus, the grandson of Darth Vader and hinted to be the very embodiment of the Force.
fun fact: these are all from just one aspect of the Galaxy. I haven't even touched on a lot of the Post-RotJ stuff OR the Pre-PM stuff. Star Wars is huge.
and nice, Star Wars and Star Trek. Two different propulsion systems. SW Hyperdrive can pass by a star/jupiter level planet just fine. It's precision jumping in the planet's orbit that is the problem.
if we are only allowed to use the movies, and not the EU (which, until contradicted, is still considered canon), then I think it only fair you can only use the early editions of Warhammer.
so, nothing before, say, 2003, or nothing since the first edition, since everything else is an expansion, and therefore not canon. or nothing that hasn't been penned by the original author. I just think it unfair that you get the entirety of your universe, while we are restricted to just the original works.
oh, and I do work for a living. I also go to school full time year round. along with helping take care of 3 younger siblings and a disabled father. I have time to "nerd rage" as you put it. (and considering the content of some of your posts, so do you.) so tell me: how does the Imperium stop the Empire, when the Empire STARTS OFF with more soldiers than the Imperium (probably) has citizens, and doesn't really have to worry about their own casualties, can replace lost equipment VERY easily, and has the resources of an entire galaxy to back it up?
so, to sum up: no more races/factions outside the proposed opponents, and anything that is considered canon is allowed. (which means novels and video games that have been commissioned either by Disney or Lucasarts and do not contradict the TV shows or movies.)
See, the funny thing is, Warhammer 40K gets EVEN CRAZIER the further back in time you go...
While this is true, I still do not see how it would be able to beat the Sun Crusher while Exar Kun was mind-controlling Kyp Durron, which conveniently makes him immune to other mind-control. And the Star Wars universe would also be able to use Centerpoint Station, which can destroy stars,l fleets, planets, or basically anything at any distance. Or the Ones, who were basically the embodiments of the force that could only be killed by the Dagger of Mortis and had almost unlimited power.
Edit: And that's not even counting the Celestials, immortal beings that were at least as powerful as the Star Gods or the Old Ones
Ah, I see you tried to defeat the imperium with logic. But, you had a little false info. First and foremost, the emperor class titan isn't the biggest type they have. Ever heard of the apocalypse class titan? Good, I've only ever seen it once and that was probably false anyways. But in the event it does exist, the empire has no chance. Second. It does not take FIFTY ******* CAPITOL SHIPS TO DESTROY ONE PLANET. It takes ONE BATTLEship. So, as you can see, the imperium just has to launch a bunch of battleship classes and up, then boom boom out go the lights for the empire. So yeah, there is no way the empire would win.
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First, how do you know that the OP isn't a Star Wars fan? This is a forum for a nerdy card game after all.
Second, post RotJ material was brought up before without any consequences.
Third, you are forgetting about the Inquisitorius, the Emperor's Hands, and the Prophets of the Dark Side, all of which could use the force.
Fourth, your comment about teleporting into Palpatine's chambers and killing him also works in reverse with a Force Storm on the Golden Throne, which would make the Imperium unable to travel through the Warp and quickly make it dissolve without the personality cult of the Emperor existing.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
If the OP was a die-hard starwars fan, then this argument was skewed from the beginning. :/
How does my argument work in reverse? Cruiser can scan for Palpatine's biosignature, Grey Knights teleport in. Palpatine has ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of the 40K universe dude, he doesn't know where he's going, they don't have any Star Maps, and once the Imperium encounters them, they're basically going to say "Submit or die" at which point they'll crush whomever they encounter. They'll consider the empire to be a band of heretics, and dispatch the Grey Knights and the Sisters of Battle to deal with you.
How can palpatine "force storm" whatever that is, the Golden Throne when he has no knowledge on its' whereabouts, and likely, he won't be able to figure out given that he's being assaulted by the imperium. There are many, MANY worlds in the Imperium, you're telling me he's just going to travel to each one? Pshh, That won't work. Once he stops at one world, the Imperium will stop him.
Either that, or random realspace phenomena will destroy the empire, trust me, even realspace in 40K has its' hazards.
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then, a few days later, takes on Yoda, who has 900 years of combat and force experience. and completely TRASHES him.
also, afaik, the Empire continued their cloning program throughout their existence. this means an essentially bottomless pit of troops to throw out, as well as the engineers and workers to assemble a HUGE armada, with the resources of an ENTIRE GALAXY to fuel it. This is not taking into account the already existing fleet and army that the Empire has, which is also large enough to police and control said galaxy. iirc, the Imperium only controls a small part of their respective galaxy. the difference in manpower and resources alone is huge.
as has been said before, the Imperium does not really have a fleet. So, the Empire's advantage is there. Bombardment from Orbit, with a few battalions of Clone Troopers to take on and slow down any psychers who try to teleport on.
also take into account Palpatine's master, Darth Plagieus the Wise, who, I don't know, LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL LIFE ITSELF. and taught Palpatine how to do it. "oh, hi, psycher. die."
so, Palpatine searches the living force (which, if you say that the warp can find palpatine but the force can't find the Emperor, I call shenanigans and fanboy.) and Force Storm, oh, I don't know, a Thermal Detonator right next to him. boom. Emperor of Man gone, as well as a good chunk of his palace or wherever he is.
and remember, two distinct methods of teleportation.
oh, did I mention that Palpatine can potentially do this from across the galaxy?
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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who can make reasonable conclusions based on conjecture.
Your entire post reeks of inaccuracy.
The Imperium doesn't have a fleet? Really?
Must not have played a game called Battlefleet: Gothic.
Although, you might be too young to remember such a thing.
Officio Assassinorum would make short work of Palpatine too.
Each Space Marine Chapter maintains its' own Battlefleet. Whilst they often fight in concert with other Imperial forces, each Chapter-Fleet is an autonomous organisation.[4]
Grey Knights Strike Cruisers are highly advanced and unique Strike Cruisers used by the Grey Knights. Possessing impressive firepower, heavy armour, and the most advanced technology and the finest engineering of the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Grey Knights' fleet of starships would be the envy of the wider Imperium if their existence were known. Their advanced technology is augmented by powerful sorcerous enchantments to protect them from the perils of the Warp. Grey Knights ships are also piloted by the most trusted and finest Navigators of the Navis Nobilite, capable of steering the most efficient courses through the unpredictable Warp.[1][2]
Because of their advanced engines and Warp Drives as well as their highly trained Navigators, Grey Knights vessels are the fastest ships in the Imperium and can respond to a Daemonic incursion long before other Imperial Forces.[1]
The Grey Knights' fleet of Strike Cruisers is based at Broadsword Station, an orbital dockyard over their Homeworld of Titan.[1]
Broadsword Station resides in geostationary orbit around Saturn's moon of Titan and is directly above the Fortress Monastery of the Grey Knights. It consists of a spidery lattice of adamantium and ceramite that holds defence lasers, shield generators, and torpedo batteries. This allows it to serve as the first line of defence for Titan if it were ever to be attacked, though it primarily serves as a transport hub as well as dockyard for the fleet of warships used by the Chapter.[1]
The Apocalypse has no other primary armament than its lance batteries and its mighty Nova Cannon. However, despite its seemingly limited armament it is able to reduce enemy ships, from escorts to large capital ships, into blazing hulks within a frighteningly short period of time.[1]
The Apocalypse has a small weapons battery on its dorsal section, and banks of lances down the port and starboard hull. Normally the weapons batteries would be used to collapse the shields of an enemy ship, before the lances rip into the ship directly. Instead, the Apocalypse uses its Nova Cannon - capable of obliterating whole squadrons of escorts in a single shot - when closing in on the enemy.[1]
The Retribution features the distinctive armoured prow of the Imperial Navy which allows it to speed headlong at the enemy fleet, ignoring all but the heaviest fire brought against it. The ship is also as fast as the main cruisers of the Imperial Fleet. Being able to keep up with them gives extra support that can be vital in a fleet engagement.[1]
The main armament of the Retribution class are the rows upon rows of mighty weapon batteries lining its sides. These are able to fire a devastating spread over extreme ranges, crippling enemy ships before they even get within range to return fire. If closing on an enemy vessel, torpedoes fired from the Retribution are equally capable of causing extreme damage. As with many Imperial battle craft, the ship is also equipped with a series of Lance turrets along the dorsal of the ship. These are more accurate than the flank batteries, but their numbers are fewer. They are normally used for finishing off an enemy ship that the main weapons have crippled, or providing return fire when the battleship is closing on its foes. Many a ship have fallen to the power of a close range broadside of a Retribution class.[1]
And that's just three classes of Battleship, There are 32, THIRTY TWO other clsses of warships available to the Imperium and in greater numbers too,
One Apocalypse Class would probably be able to obliterate an entire fleet of Star Destroyers.
Palpatine is outmatched, give it up.
BTW, All the above descriptions, copy and paste, I'm not making this stuff up.
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you also completely ignored every other point I made. care to address them? How does the Emperor of Mankind prevent Palpatine from teleporting a Thermal Detonator right next to him from the other side of the galaxy? if I am reading right, that prevents the Imperium from using the warp, yes?
and I seriously think you underestimate how much firepower and manpower a Star Destroyer has. a mid-size Star Destroyer is 1600 meters long, with a crew of 37,000 officers and crew, with a full complement of stormtroopers numbering 9,700. This includes 6 wings of TIE fighters, Bombers, and Interceptors.
note, this is a MID SIZE star destroyer. quite a few are larger, and they number in the hundreds.
for ship to ship combat, your average Star Destroyer has a complement of 6 turbolaser batteries, 2 ion cannons, and smaller anti personell guns along its length. Next to the attack hanger are two more turbolasers. They are also capable of entering the atmosphere of a planet and supporting with ground operations.
that is the Imperator (or Imperial I) Class Star Destroyer.
and you have more than just the Star Destroyers to deal with. at the time of the Emperor's death, there was the Super Star Destroyer, which was around 3 times larger than a regular Star Destroyer.
now, I don't know the dimensions and crew makeup of the W40k ships, but based on their classification as Cruisers, this makes me think that they are not exactly main line ships. Either that, or the makers of the game have no idea how ship classifications work, because Cruisers are used more for their punch and not their armor, while battleships (which is what the Imperial class Star Destroyer is) are meant to both take and dish out a beating. Just from reading what you wrote, I am not seeing any one man fighters at all. (I am sure you are going to rage at me about that, and bring up that they do.) This means that the 6 wings of fighters that every star destroyer brings with it are basically unopposed. including the Bomber anti-cruiser TIEs.
plus, (and I have already brought this up) the Empire brings numbers to the table. there are hundreds of Star Destroyers under Palpatine's control, plus the Death Star, and they can bring the Sun Crusher out (which was basically complete by this point. it was brought out of storage AFAIK.) plus, the strategic mind of the Grand Admirals and the ruthlessness of Darth Vader, and you have quite a formidable army.
then there is Palpatine's manipulation. this is a man who managed to turn two very powerful Jedi to his cause. (Anakin and Count Dooku.) He convinced both that the enemy they had fought for their ENTIRE LIVES and had a VERY (one might almost say religious) strong reason to hate what he stood for. They both joined him.
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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who can make reasonable conclusions based on conjecture.
However.
The imperium is engaged on a massive war on all fronts that they are, frankly, losing - they beat back the various enemies, mostly, but at massive and constant cost. The notion that the entire might of the imperium could be turned towards the empire is utterly laughable.
Additionally, the notion that the enemies of the empire of man would not use this opportunity to push hard and ally with this new intruder is crazy.
What the first psyker to try to get to the emperor would discover is not an old but extremely powerful man in a chair with his chain-smoking buddy in black, but Horus reborn, the Emperor having made deals with the chaos powers and now strong beyond even the craziest star-wars writers imagining, with Vader full of demon-juice pumped up beside him.
Except for the fact that he hasn't intervened in the discussion much at all.
How would the cruisers be able to scan for Palpatine's biosignature without knowing what it would be like?
Isn't it common knowledge that the Throne is on Terra? It isn't like Palpatine could just read the mind of a random person from the 40k universe to find out. Oh wait. Or alternatively, one of the many enemies of the Imperium could tell him. It really isn't that hard.
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If Palpatine decided to "make a deal" with the Chaos Gods (which, is no easy task, he has to appeal to each of the four Chaos gods, and get them to lay down their hatred of the others to side as one) Then the Empire would fight a two-sided War, you would unite the mortal Forces of Chaos and the Imperium into fighting you. Not to mention the Eldar need the Emperor alive to keep the Daemons of Chaos where they are currently. Without the Emperor, Chaos would rule the material Universe. There are SO many Races in 40K that don't want that to happen. And BTW, the Eldar are better at everything than palpatine.
Literally, their presence in the 40K universe would unite unlikely allies. Once your purpose becomes clear (AKA, you bring a planet cracking weapon into the universe) Everyone is gonna be gunning for you.
The Orks would LOVE, ABOLUTELY LOVE to get their hands on your shiny croozers and destroyas. And that deff-star, Man, they'd love to have it.
The Ancient and powerful Eldar would use the Webway to circumvent the death star en-route to Terra, and destroy it. (No shield generator on Endor to protect it this time.)
The Dark Eldar would simply see you as another technological race to plunder and torture. More souls to devour, more slaves to have.
The Necrons likely wouldn't bother Palpatine, unless he decided to lay claim to ruling them, then the C'tan would likely just say "No" and literally start peeling the skeletons from Live Storm Troopers. The Necrons aren't kind to would-be rulers.
The Tyranids. Well, they'll devour the Empire. Palpatine lacks the knowledge how to fight them, and more advanced civilizations have fallen under the Tyranid Scourge. Evolving, adapting, surviving, conquering. They are every mortal's worst nightmare incarnate. They have no political agenda, they just feed. Tyranids live in the warp, their numbers, infinite. Whatever strategy you use to fight them, they adapt, quickly.
See where I'm going with this? If the empire tries to take out the Emperor, they literally make an enemy of EVERYONE else. Palpatine would make NO allies in the material universe. He cannot win a war against the Imperium. Seriously, if the Empire was taken out by the weak, pitiful Rebel Alliance, with less resources and less advanced technology than the Imperium, I think the Imperium will do just fine.
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And you STILL haven't dealt with the fact that the empire can turn up at earth with a deathstar at which point it is literally game over. The star wars universe ships have a vastly faster FTL drive that isn't forced to deal with the meanderings of the warp.
The imperium is LAUGHABLY overmatched by the forces in their own galaxy. They literally are stretched to breaking and cannot possibly put serious reasources against the newcomer. The empire doesn't have to make allies, they just need to have everyone else say "Is that a moon?" for long enough for them to one shot the empire of man.
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You are laughably mistaken.
Your post reeks of fanboyism.
I'm done, Seriously, the forces stationed at Titan would be able to detect you coming, and set up barriers to prevent your further access into the star system, not to mention, if one lil fighter with one lil torpedo can blow up you space station, then one ship capable of destroying fleets shouldn't have a problem. Should it?
Oh, and wait for it, SOME OF THOSE SHIPS ARE IN BATTLEFLEET SOLAR!
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Ender's Shadow by Orsone Scott Card brought up VERY valid points against space defense bases. they are entirely impractical, because of the sheer size of space. Let's say that Titan base CAN detect them (a very long assumption, considering two completely different methods of travel.) the Death Star just warps in from a different direction. It doesn't matter if you have the best moon base in the system, because that moon base cannot protect the entire system.
on the subject of a single starfighter destroying the death star: the fighter was pi loted by the son of the most powerful Jedi to ever live, and the only reason it got close is because the Death Star's defense system is designed to protect from larger ships. it is believed that the Death Star's conventional firepower was enough to hold half the Imperial Fleet at bay.
I would say that, since the Death Star is a battlestation as well, the above complaints againsts space bases stands, except that it can move under it's own power. The FTL drive is accurate enough to bring it into the targets orbit. The reason that the Death Star didn't warp to the Yavin base was because that base was on one of Yavin's moons, and Yavin has a gravitational pull like Jupiter does, which made the FTL drive not as accurate.
note, it takes gravitational pull on that level to mess with a drive like that. less than that, and the Star can just warp in, charge up, blow the planet, and be gone in 10 minutes. Luna base is on the other side of the planet, Titan base is on the other side of the System. Goodbye planet.
and how hard would it really be to just go to the Imperium's enemies and say "hey, our beef is with them. not you. let us kill them, and we'll be gone." I think that would go over rather well.
and again, sheer weight of numbers and resources. Entire Galaxy vs part of Galaxy. No Risk supernatural powers VS. Large Risk supernatural powers. you STILL have not even tried to refute those.
also, Ion Blasters. concentrated EMP's condensed into a laser bolt. I don't think your Power Armor will work very well with that...
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I know which one is superior, 40K Is far superior than Star Wars. Period, End of discussion.
Haven't refuted my point on the blackships from 40K, meant to run in stealth, Bye Bye Death Star, can't stop something you can't see.
And Jupiter's Gravitational Pull would definitely mess with the Death Star's "light" speed, there's a big reason in star trek that they don't enter warp-speed anywhere near earth, if they can avoid it. The only time I remember them doing it was to head off the Borg Cube headed towards Earth, that was like, Life or Death. It wreaks havoc on ship and systems. So, likely, The Death Star will have to drop out of "light" speed just outside our solar system, and proceed at sublight, at that point, it'll get eaten up by Segmentum Solar's space defenses. Including the Aforementioned Apocalypse Class Battleships, ya know, the ones that can wipe out half a space fleet with one shot? Let's see how well the Death Star holds up after having a Nova Cannon Shell blasted straight through it's hull into the power core.
KABOOM.
End of Story.
Empire, Lost. Imperium, Won.
And BTW, trying to bargain with those other races, good luck with that, Tyranids can't be bargained with, and Orks would blackmail you into oblivion to not interfere. The Dark Eldar would ask for Darth Vader, for...a reason, The Eldar wouldn't let you do it. They'd rather Die than let Chaos envelop the universe. They'd stop at nothing to prevent the forces of Chaos from spilling into realspace, knowing that the Astronomican is preventing a full-scale incursion. They know it, that's why they haven't tried to attack Terra themselves.
BTW, Necrons wouldn't bargain with you, chances are they'd want to harvest you.
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You still haven't refuted my point about Force Storms though. Force Storm on the Golden Throne=dead Emperor=Destroyed Imperium=Galactic Empire wins.
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Yeah, I think I just ended your force storm argument.
I honestly don't know why I keep coming back here, this argument has been skewed since the beginning, What is this force storm thing? Is it something new? Why was it never mentioned before?
He showed ABSOLUTELY NO ABILITY to use this "force storm" in anything pre-ROTJ, one might think running the Empire is taxing on the old fella's mind. What with a pesky rebellion on his hands.
BTW, you're all so concerned about Palpatine trying to negotiate with the other races in 40K, how about the Rebel Alliance, or if I can use the EU, The New Republic? Which clearly has the resources available to fight the Empire. I assume if universes are crossing over, They would be fair game to bring in against the Empire. Which is also another nail in the coffin of palpatine, because the Rebel Alliance defeated the Empire, as well as the New Republic defeating them.
Pretty sure the Rebel Alliance/New Republic would make more friends in the 40K universe than the Empire would.
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fun fact: these are all from just one aspect of the Galaxy. I haven't even touched on a lot of the Post-RotJ stuff OR the Pre-PM stuff. Star Wars is huge.
and nice, Star Wars and Star Trek. Two different propulsion systems. SW Hyperdrive can pass by a star/jupiter level planet just fine. It's precision jumping in the planet's orbit that is the problem.
if we are only allowed to use the movies, and not the EU (which, until contradicted, is still considered canon), then I think it only fair you can only use the early editions of Warhammer.
so, nothing before, say, 2003, or nothing since the first edition, since everything else is an expansion, and therefore not canon. or nothing that hasn't been penned by the original author. I just think it unfair that you get the entirety of your universe, while we are restricted to just the original works.
oh, and I do work for a living. I also go to school full time year round. along with helping take care of 3 younger siblings and a disabled father. I have time to "nerd rage" as you put it. (and considering the content of some of your posts, so do you.) so tell me: how does the Imperium stop the Empire, when the Empire STARTS OFF with more soldiers than the Imperium (probably) has citizens, and doesn't really have to worry about their own casualties, can replace lost equipment VERY easily, and has the resources of an entire galaxy to back it up?
so, to sum up: no more races/factions outside the proposed opponents, and anything that is considered canon is allowed. (which means novels and video games that have been commissioned either by Disney or Lucasarts and do not contradict the TV shows or movies.)
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While this is true, I still do not see how it would be able to beat the Sun Crusher while Exar Kun was mind-controlling Kyp Durron, which conveniently makes him immune to other mind-control. And the Star Wars universe would also be able to use Centerpoint Station, which can destroy stars,l fleets, planets, or basically anything at any distance. Or the Ones, who were basically the embodiments of the force that could only be killed by the Dagger of Mortis and had almost unlimited power.
Edit: And that's not even counting the Celestials, immortal beings that were at least as powerful as the Star Gods or the Old Ones
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
P.S. it's think not thing and class not clash.
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