And yeah, Solo having more surviving kids? Jesus Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if Grand Admial Thrawn was actually the base born offspring of Kirk and a Tellarite.
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Also Kira's "been through a lot worse than Leia"? One of Leia's sons died fighting a war they didn't even know if they could win, and her other son became Darth Caedus. Not to mention all the other crap she's been through over the years—Kira's never had to deal with being thrown out of her own government (there's that one episode where Kai Winn takes over and Kira has to go renegade but it was a one-episode affair and quickly resolved).
There was also that one episode where she had to make peace with her mother being a sex slave for Alien Hitler.
...by reliving it.
Argue all you want about the inflated and oftentimes nonsensical numbers thrown out by the series' less informed writers. But don't try to argue that Princess Leia has had a worse life than Kira. That's just objectively ludicrous.
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In an advanced society like Star Wars EU, it goes without saying that gender is no longer binary.
Try to keep up.
Though you know the ST universe is far more open to the concept of non-binary gender roles.
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But seriously I'm learning a lot here. The size of the Star Wars Galactic empire is indeed bigger and hyperspace travel is faster in the SW universe, stuff I did not know.
But it feels like the SW universe has never indicated in a movie that they can do anythingmeaningfully while in any "FTL" space.
And first of all, I've noticed (and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here) that Teia, who I've spent most of this thread responding to, hasn't given a single inch to ST. Again, if I'm wrong, correct me, but that reeks of rabid fanboy support with no actual logical backup.
I give the ST universe credit where it's due. But given that I'm very obviously on the side of "SW wins," I'm more interested in the ways SW, well, wins. I acknowledge that things like transporters and replicators are highly useful technology, that changelings would present real problems to the Empire, and even that some ST leaders (like Dukat) are totally awesome. It's just that I don't think ST can win even with those on their side.
Also I'd say I'm not really fangirling over SW given how much emphasis I place on canon support for my arguments (onscreen evidence, or at least info from canon sources) and how in absence of such I defer to what would logically result from the given information.
I loved the one guy who mentioned that if star destroyers have this awesome weapons power, why don't they just blow up planets themselves. Thank you for the salient point, dude. Because if that doesn't nail home a point, what does?
A point which I responded to by saying that they can annihilate planets (it's codenamed Base Delta Zero), but that there are very sound reasons not to go about doing that unless it's absolutely necessary.
Why build a death star if you have a fleet of potentially millions of planet destroying ships?
Tarkin said it best: Terror. Star Destroyers can be defeated, but an invincible battlestation that can destroy a planet in one shot (as opposed to a bombardment) is far more intimidating.
power output levels (which is a JOKE)
You might not like the numbers, but they're canon.
But we all know that won't fly as SSD are the same thing.
They later made Eclipse-class Star Destroyers which are basically SSDs with superlasers.
And two, ST is based on AT LEAST reasonable technological advances.
I've actually read The Physics of Star Trek by Lawrence Krauss. It's an excellent book written by a real-life physicist, and goes into detail about just how impossible Star Trek technology really is, from warp drive to transporters to replicators to the "crack" in a black hole's event horizon.
Teddy Bears overrunning a heavily defended shield generator?
For me, that falls into "like it or not, it's canon."
Using the force alone to destroy entire planets/ships?
Darth Vader himself said that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force.
The complete dearth (heh heh) of imperial competence?
EU has quite a few examples of not only Imperial competence but awesomeness.
This whole "The empire has SUPER DUPER amounts of energy and we could do such-and-such and not blink an eye cause were ÜBER!!!" is a complete and total stretch that requires intelligent people to argue fanboyism and not reality.
It's not my fault that SWvST is like Superman fighting an unarmed normal human that doesn't have kryptonite.
Considering a rebel aliance is the ONLY thing standing between you and totaly domination you take the small loss of resources and burn them. They showed they have 0 Quarel with blowing up populated planets with the deathstar just to make a statment of "we can". Destroying entire populations on planets with rebel active members should easly have ended the entire serries.
They blew up two planets, Despayre (a prison colony world) and Alderaan (seat of the Rebellion). The latter was shown to have very bad fallout, to the point where it caused otherwise loyal Imperial soldiers and officers to defect to the Rebellion—basically proving Tarkin wrong. More level-headed Imperial leaders would be and in fact are aghast at such reckless and needless destruction. It'd be like if the US decided to nuke Afghanistan to kill terrorists. Sure, it'd work, but it's not worth it.
I would like to introduce you to the Aphase, a self aware disease that constantly adapts to horably destroy and disfigure its host. A disease so advanced that the best medical people in the Delta quadrent decided to STOP fighing it and just replace their organs with other races genetically modifying them for their own. Its resilience broke the collective will of an entire race.
Phage was cured by Jason Alexander and friends. Then again, the Krytos virus was stopped too, but the point of the Krytos virus was that it was curable, but strained medical resources to the breaking point in order to do so (i.e. there was no vaccine, only cures). And the ST universe doesn't have bacta, the standard cure-all in the SW universe.
I would challenge Surviving kids from shear quantity!
Quality makes up for it since Jaina Solo is actually pretty awesome. Also Jacen Solo becoming Darth Caedus puts David "I got shanked by a Klingon" Marcus to shame.
I would use Seven of Nine against her.
Seven still loses, because she'd be up against the Emperor's Hand, i.e. a dark Jedi trained to kill people who need killing. And even later in the timeline, after Mara stops being evil and marries Luke, she's still a very powerful Jedi.
Talking a united ST front against a United SW front, Your logistics ability SUCKS you can't find an Obi or Yoda (you know the only two people who could possibly train more jedi ensure your victory)..... This shows your systems are EASY too infiltrate. You have open rebelian from within (which again you FAIL to locate) This shows that either a) the Empire has SUCH poor PR/propaganda/living conditions that a large portion of this empire wanted to rebel against it. or b) The empire was so poorly run that a small group of rebels managed to cripple it behind repair.
They couldn't find two people in an empire of millions of worlds and trillions of citizens, when those people had supernatural hiding abilities. Maybe if we weren't talking about Jedi, you could have a point, but Yoda is one of the most powerful Jedi Masters of all time and Obi-Wan is no slouch himself.
Also the Rebels didn't cripple it beyond repair. What they did was destroy military hardware and eventually kill the Emperor, resulting in an Imperial power struggle that let the Rebels establish themselves into the New Republic, at which point it took years of war to get to the point where they simply signed a peace treaty with the Empire (which, at the time, was noted as being not a bad place to live, and its member systems stayed with them because they wanted to, not because they were forced to).
Argue all you want about the inflated and oftentimes nonsensical numbers thrown out by the series' less informed writers. But don't try to argue that Princess Leia has had a worse life than Kira. That's just objectively ludicrous.
I see you Kira reliving her mother being a sex slave for Alien Hitler and raise you Leia seeing her son become Hitler (killing Leia's sister-in-law in the process) and having to help stop him. After her own father was a Hitler figure in his own right.
The Empire even has a similar kind of virus to Section 31's modified Quickening, in their case the Krytos virus, engineered to kill nonhuman races.
I would like to introduce you to the Aphase, a self aware disease that constantly adapts to horably destroy and disfigure its host. A disease so advanced that the best medical people in the Delta quadrent decided to STOP fighing it and just replace their organs with other races genetically modifying them for their own. Its resilience broke the collective will of an entire race.
I believe you're thinking of the Vidiian Phage. That was cured by the Think Tank after Voyager had left that region of space.
After her own father was a Hitler figure in his own right.
Her father was a good and honorable man who raised her in a life of affluence. The identity of her biological parent she did not discover until adulthood, and it doesn't seem to have meant nearly as much to her as it did to her brother.
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Her father was a good and honorable man who raised her in a life of affluence. The identity of her biological parent she did not discover until adulthood, and it doesn't seem to have meant nearly as much to her as it did to her brother.
Then she watched him get murdered along with her entire home planet in the process of being tortured for information.
Like Superman beating an unarmed normal human without kryptonite? Somebody needs to read about a normal human that's kicked Superman's ass without kryptonite numerous times.
That human is Batman. If you're comparing the ST universe to Batman, then....
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I didnt mean for anyone to take the arguments on that website as my own. It is very obviously biased. However when it comes to technical details he very specifically lays out real numbers from canon, and uses logical assumptions to bring about conclusions on things like weapon power, engine speed and industrial ability
I didnt mean for anyone to take the arguments on that website as my own. It is very obviously biased. However when it comes to technical details he very specifically lays out real numbers from canon, and uses logical assumptions to bring about conclusions on things like weapon power, engine speed and industrial ability
Problem is that the ST side is just so outmatched that there's a tendency to disregard the canon power disparity because it makes for a one-sided fight. It's like I said in an earlier post, kinda like pitting Superman against a normal kryptonite-less human (let's say a fistfight against some kind of MMA champion). Now, I love both ST and SW. I grew up on them, and they were actually the first things I went full-on fangirl over. I'm not a huge fan of having to say "SW wins, no contest." Ultimately, "which one do you like more?" or "which one tells the better story?" or some other related question would be more interesting than "which one wins in a fight?"
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Though you know the ST universe is far more open to the concept of non-binary gender roles.
It's actually kind of interesting to compare ST's approach to that kind of thing compared to SW. With ST, the fandom wants gay characters and so on, but the creators won't go for it. With SW, the writers want to have gay characters and so on, but the fandom actually tends to be vehemently homophobic. Kind of an interesting mirror there.
The people in the Star Wars universe haven't even figured out how to leave their own galaxy.
Their technology is in the dark ages of inter-planetary space travel.
I know this isn't a poll of "who can travel the farthest," but still. The technology used in the Star Wars universe (in general) is extremely primitive when compared to Star Trek.
I know this isn't a poll of "who can travel the farthest," but still. The technology used in the Star Wars universe (in general) is extremely primitive when compared to Star Trek.
SW hyperdrives can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of days. In ST, there was an entire seven-season series about crossing the galaxy.
Remember, just because SW technology doesn't look as advanced doesn't mean that it's inferior. In almost every way, SW technology is actually far superior to ST technology.
SW hyperdrives can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of days. In ST, there was an entire seven-season series about crossing the galaxy.
Remember, just because SW technology doesn't look as advanced doesn't mean that it's inferior. In almost every way, SW technology is actually far superior to ST technology.
Yeah, I take back what I said about travel.
Even though I've watched almost all of TNG, DS9, Voyager, all of Enterprise, and even a little of the original series, I think my sense of scale is off. Just read through a bunch of wikipedia pages and the space they travel throughout all the series is much different than I thought.
Still... Star Trek has transporter technology and they'd be fighting a race of people who don't have shields. It also seems like the sensor/radar technology from Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars and would probably be able to hit them before they would be able to react.
Transport Nuke + Explode Nuke = gg
Rinse. Repeat.
Until they have a way of defending against this, it's not even a fight. It doesn't matter if they have 10-20 times as many ships (or more) with 10-20 times as many torpedoes. Nukes you never see coming that you can't defend against = gg all day long.
Still... Star Trek has transporter technology and they'd be fighting a race of people who don't have shields.
I don't know why this myth seems to persist to the degree it does. SW does have shields. This is not only well-documented in supplementary materials but also through movie dialogue. Just because they don't look like ST shields or get called the same name doesn't mean they don't perform the same function.
I don't know why this myth seems to persist to the degree it does. SW does have shields. This is not only well-documented in supplementary materials but also through movie dialogue. Just because they don't look like ST shields or get called the same name doesn't mean they don't perform the same function.
They don't look the same, they don't behave the same, they don't have the same name.
They are not the same and we have no reason to assume they stop transporter beams any more than we can assume that Star Trek's subspace is different or the same as Star Wars hyperspace (as you insisted they were different in your earlier post)z
You just want to call the shields the same thing and give them transporter blocking capability because it suits your agenda.
What do ST shields do that SW shields demonstrably can't?
stop torpedo hits, prevent solid matter from passing through (the large area of effect ones, not the ray shields), and take more than 3 shots from anything when equipped to a small ship
just for three.
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Whether it's a comedy or a tragedy, if there is cheering, the story will continue on.
Just like the many lives.
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stop torpedo hits, prevent solid matter from passing through (the large area of effect ones, not the ray shields), and take more than 3 shots from anything when equipped to a small ship
just for three.
We've definitely seen a ship (the Millennium Falcon) not only pass through a Star Destroyer's shields, but also land on the thing.
We've already established earlier in this thread, that Star Trek vessels are more maneuverable, especially ships like Klingon Birds of Prey and the Defiant Class ships, so there's no reason why they couldn't simply fly through Imperial shields and blast away at core locations, such as:
-The shield generators, which if I'm not mistaken are the bulbs at the very top of a Star Destroyer.
-The Command Bridge, which is conveniently located in an accessible location (not that Trek does this much better).
OR...they could do the whole transport-a-photon-torpedo-into-the-reactor thing.
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We've definitely seen a ship (the Millennium Falcon) not only pass through a Star Destroyer's shields, but also land on the thing.
We've already established earlier in this thread, that Star Trek vessels are more maneuverable, especially ships like Klingon Birds of Prey and the Defiant Class ships, so there's no reason why they couldn't simply fly through Imperial shields and blast away at core locations, such as:
-The shield generators, which if I'm not mistaken are the bulbs at the very top of a Star Destroyer.
-The Command Bridge, which is conveniently located in an accessible location (not that Trek does this much better).
OR...they could do the whole transport-a-photon-torpedo-into-the-reactor thing.
Those are some of Anakin's favorite things to do.
Why not have the Star Destroyers just attack every planet and shipyard in the Federation at once? The Federation/Klingon/Romulans don't have enough ships to defend that many planets and can't move fast enough even if they could. None of their planets could survive bombardment from 5 Star Destroyers at once.
So starting from small, working up in magnitude...
General Ship to Ship - Star Trek, barring Sun Crusher.
Empire to Empire - Star Wars. Empire is much larger than the Federation. Empire would win strictly through numbers. Millions beat thousand(s). This would apply to largescale ship battles and the two empires in general.
Everything - Star Trek, the Q, alternative dimensions and time travel beat Star Wars in the vertical power levels.
Again... while ships can pass through some shields and it happens all the time. It is also shown in the movie that the SW universe has shield tech that does not allow solid matter to pass through. When the landing team is approaching the 2nd death star and then use the "old code" the Empire lowers the shield to let them in.... also when the Rebel fleet shows up they all pull up when they figure out the shield is still up... maybe so they dont crash?
It makes sense to have a shield that allows small objects through. The Empire's capital ships are so large they arnt in danger from small ships and weapons, and it allows them to send out smaller fighter ships to engage in combat.
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There was also that one episode where she had to make peace with her mother being a sex slave for Alien Hitler.
...by reliving it.
Argue all you want about the inflated and oftentimes nonsensical numbers thrown out by the series' less informed writers. But don't try to argue that Princess Leia has had a worse life than Kira. That's just objectively ludicrous.
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Try to keep up.
Though you know the ST universe is far more open to the concept of non-binary gender roles.
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But seriously I'm learning a lot here. The size of the Star Wars Galactic empire is indeed bigger and hyperspace travel is faster in the SW universe, stuff I did not know.
But it feels like the SW universe has never indicated in a movie that they can do anythingmeaningfully while in any "FTL" space.
I give the ST universe credit where it's due. But given that I'm very obviously on the side of "SW wins," I'm more interested in the ways SW, well, wins. I acknowledge that things like transporters and replicators are highly useful technology, that changelings would present real problems to the Empire, and even that some ST leaders (like Dukat) are totally awesome. It's just that I don't think ST can win even with those on their side.
Also I'd say I'm not really fangirling over SW given how much emphasis I place on canon support for my arguments (onscreen evidence, or at least info from canon sources) and how in absence of such I defer to what would logically result from the given information.
A point which I responded to by saying that they can annihilate planets (it's codenamed Base Delta Zero), but that there are very sound reasons not to go about doing that unless it's absolutely necessary.
Tarkin said it best: Terror. Star Destroyers can be defeated, but an invincible battlestation that can destroy a planet in one shot (as opposed to a bombardment) is far more intimidating.
You might not like the numbers, but they're canon.
They later made Eclipse-class Star Destroyers which are basically SSDs with superlasers.
I've actually read The Physics of Star Trek by Lawrence Krauss. It's an excellent book written by a real-life physicist, and goes into detail about just how impossible Star Trek technology really is, from warp drive to transporters to replicators to the "crack" in a black hole's event horizon.
For me, that falls into "like it or not, it's canon."
Darth Vader himself said that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force.
EU has quite a few examples of not only Imperial competence but awesomeness.
It's not my fault that SWvST is like Superman fighting an unarmed normal human that doesn't have kryptonite.
They blew up two planets, Despayre (a prison colony world) and Alderaan (seat of the Rebellion). The latter was shown to have very bad fallout, to the point where it caused otherwise loyal Imperial soldiers and officers to defect to the Rebellion—basically proving Tarkin wrong. More level-headed Imperial leaders would be and in fact are aghast at such reckless and needless destruction. It'd be like if the US decided to nuke Afghanistan to kill terrorists. Sure, it'd work, but it's not worth it.
Phage was cured by Jason Alexander and friends. Then again, the Krytos virus was stopped too, but the point of the Krytos virus was that it was curable, but strained medical resources to the breaking point in order to do so (i.e. there was no vaccine, only cures). And the ST universe doesn't have bacta, the standard cure-all in the SW universe.
Quality makes up for it since Jaina Solo is actually pretty awesome. Also Jacen Solo becoming Darth Caedus puts David "I got shanked by a Klingon" Marcus to shame.
Seven still loses, because she'd be up against the Emperor's Hand, i.e. a dark Jedi trained to kill people who need killing. And even later in the timeline, after Mara stops being evil and marries Luke, she's still a very powerful Jedi.
They couldn't find two people in an empire of millions of worlds and trillions of citizens, when those people had supernatural hiding abilities. Maybe if we weren't talking about Jedi, you could have a point, but Yoda is one of the most powerful Jedi Masters of all time and Obi-Wan is no slouch himself.
Also the Rebels didn't cripple it beyond repair. What they did was destroy military hardware and eventually kill the Emperor, resulting in an Imperial power struggle that let the Rebels establish themselves into the New Republic, at which point it took years of war to get to the point where they simply signed a peace treaty with the Empire (which, at the time, was noted as being not a bad place to live, and its member systems stayed with them because they wanted to, not because they were forced to).
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I see you Kira reliving her mother being a sex slave for Alien Hitler and raise you Leia seeing her son become Hitler (killing Leia's sister-in-law in the process) and having to help stop him. After her own father was a Hitler figure in his own right.
I believe you're thinking of the Vidiian Phage. That was cured by the Think Tank after Voyager had left that region of space.
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Her father was a good and honorable man who raised her in a life of affluence. The identity of her biological parent she did not discover until adulthood, and it doesn't seem to have meant nearly as much to her as it did to her brother.
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Then she watched him get murdered along with her entire home planet in the process of being tortured for information.
Kira never had to watch Bajor be destroyed.
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That human is Batman. If you're comparing the ST universe to Batman, then....
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Though I think we're long past any relevance to the main topic.
Problem is that the ST side is just so outmatched that there's a tendency to disregard the canon power disparity because it makes for a one-sided fight. It's like I said in an earlier post, kinda like pitting Superman against a normal kryptonite-less human (let's say a fistfight against some kind of MMA champion). Now, I love both ST and SW. I grew up on them, and they were actually the first things I went full-on fangirl over. I'm not a huge fan of having to say "SW wins, no contest." Ultimately, "which one do you like more?" or "which one tells the better story?" or some other related question would be more interesting than "which one wins in a fight?"
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It's actually kind of interesting to compare ST's approach to that kind of thing compared to SW. With ST, the fandom wants gay characters and so on, but the creators won't go for it. With SW, the writers want to have gay characters and so on, but the fandom actually tends to be vehemently homophobic. Kind of an interesting mirror there.
The people in the Star Wars universe haven't even figured out how to leave their own galaxy.
Their technology is in the dark ages of inter-planetary space travel.
I know this isn't a poll of "who can travel the farthest," but still. The technology used in the Star Wars universe (in general) is extremely primitive when compared to Star Trek.
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SW hyperdrives can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of days. In ST, there was an entire seven-season series about crossing the galaxy.
Remember, just because SW technology doesn't look as advanced doesn't mean that it's inferior. In almost every way, SW technology is actually far superior to ST technology.
Yeah, I take back what I said about travel.
Even though I've watched almost all of TNG, DS9, Voyager, all of Enterprise, and even a little of the original series, I think my sense of scale is off. Just read through a bunch of wikipedia pages and the space they travel throughout all the series is much different than I thought.
Still... Star Trek has transporter technology and they'd be fighting a race of people who don't have shields. It also seems like the sensor/radar technology from Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars and would probably be able to hit them before they would be able to react.
Transport Nuke + Explode Nuke = gg
Rinse. Repeat.
Until they have a way of defending against this, it's not even a fight. It doesn't matter if they have 10-20 times as many ships (or more) with 10-20 times as many torpedoes. Nukes you never see coming that you can't defend against = gg all day long.
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I don't know why this myth seems to persist to the degree it does. SW does have shields. This is not only well-documented in supplementary materials but also through movie dialogue. Just because they don't look like ST shields or get called the same name doesn't mean they don't perform the same function.
They are not the same and we have no reason to assume they stop transporter beams any more than we can assume that Star Trek's subspace is different or the same as Star Wars hyperspace (as you insisted they were different in your earlier post)z
You just want to call the shields the same thing and give them transporter blocking capability because it suits your agenda.
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What do ST shields do that SW shields demonstrably can't?
stop torpedo hits, prevent solid matter from passing through (the large area of effect ones, not the ray shields), and take more than 3 shots from anything when equipped to a small ship
just for three.
Whether it's a comedy or a tragedy, if there is cheering, the story will continue on.
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We've definitely seen a ship (the Millennium Falcon) not only pass through a Star Destroyer's shields, but also land on the thing.
We've already established earlier in this thread, that Star Trek vessels are more maneuverable, especially ships like Klingon Birds of Prey and the Defiant Class ships, so there's no reason why they couldn't simply fly through Imperial shields and blast away at core locations, such as:
-The shield generators, which if I'm not mistaken are the bulbs at the very top of a Star Destroyer.
-The Command Bridge, which is conveniently located in an accessible location (not that Trek does this much better).
OR...they could do the whole transport-a-photon-torpedo-into-the-reactor thing.
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Those are some of Anakin's favorite things to do.
Why not have the Star Destroyers just attack every planet and shipyard in the Federation at once? The Federation/Klingon/Romulans don't have enough ships to defend that many planets and can't move fast enough even if they could. None of their planets could survive bombardment from 5 Star Destroyers at once.
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General Ship to Ship - Star Trek, barring Sun Crusher.
Empire to Empire - Star Wars. Empire is much larger than the Federation. Empire would win strictly through numbers. Millions beat thousand(s). This would apply to largescale ship battles and the two empires in general.
Everything - Star Trek, the Q, alternative dimensions and time travel beat Star Wars in the vertical power levels.
It makes sense to have a shield that allows small objects through. The Empire's capital ships are so large they arnt in danger from small ships and weapons, and it allows them to send out smaller fighter ships to engage in combat.