One of my favorite dates ever was to Church. Though I was raised Christian, my Christianity has always incorporated a variety of other belief systems (really, if God is omnipotent, how can one belief system really conceive of his entire being?).
I often enjoyed going with girls I was dating to their places of worship. If you like someone, expereincing what drives their faith is an important part of understanding who they are.
"A rich man thinks all other people are rich, and an intelligent man thinks all other people are similarly gifted. Both are always terribly shocked when they discover the truth of the world. You, my dear brother, are a pious man." - Strahd von Zarovich
I would've posted that myself but thought it'd be too late since the OP was prior to last weekend and I didn't find the thread until Monday.
@OP: Seriously though, does she know you play the devil's card game? I assume you play, considering this is MTGS.;)
She wants me to START going to church with her, this sunday will be the first time. Yeah she knows I play magic. she actually expressed interest in learning before we actually started getting close.
she sees magic no more of a waste of time than TV or facebook, both of which she spends time doing. we actually had a discussion about what was a bigger waste of time. I said it was magic/video games, she said TV. it was interesting.
If you are just looking for somhting physical, then go for it, repressed jesus freak girls tend to really have a lot of pent up naughtiness they love to unload on thier first boyfriends. But if you are looking for an actual relationship, it's not going to work. Your girl needs to be into the same things you are. If she's into church, and you aren't, it's not going to work.
If you have a desire to get into church, that's different, but that doesn't sound like the case.
If you aren't very religious, you should be up front about it. Her religion clearly means a lot to her, and it will cause conflict in the future. Some people can work it out, but generally if there is a large gap in devotion level, there will be conflict.
Valarin, while there is a certain category of repressed person who ends up being over the top - to assume that she is just because she is religious without any other factors is a little silly. That has a lot more to do with a severely repressed home environment.
I went to the hindu temple with my Fiance only once in 7 years, and that was only because we were looking for a priest who could do the hindu wedding ceremony in english rather than sanskrit. Thankfully, she isn't particularly religious either, most Hindu stuff can be done at home, and she wanted to spare me the awkwardness of being the only white person there that everyone stares at.
I'm not quite sure how to take you speaking of Jesus freaks. Could be a veiled insult. Not sure.
The way he is using Jesus Freaks is referring to the stereotypical christian teen that treats their religion like a sports team. Essentially, it is referring to these people:
Jesus Camp sounded like a good film. Jay you refer to Jesus Camp as if it was a bad thing.
Really? Maybe it was just the previews that made it seem terrifying.
Anytime I hear a child proclaim himself a "Warrior for Christ" and adults applaud, it sends shivers down my spine. And not in a good way. I've no problem with faith. I do have a major problem with the intense indoctrination of children and radicalism in some of the evangelical community.
Frankly, church doesn't really sound like a first date kind of place. This sounds like the sort of people that I have encountered far too many of in college that are worried about your soul being lost or some other such nonsense.
Of course, there is the possibility that due to her inexperience with men she thinks this is a legitimate way to bond, and undoubtedly church is very important to her, but if you're looking to form a healthy relationship then you should be focusing on what the two of you have in common rather than having her drag you somewhere that will at best bore you and at worst infuriate you.
I'm currently dating somebody who is quite religious. I am not. As a result, we do not discuss religion. She goes to church alone and I don't discuss with her why I dislike organized religion... much.
I'm currently dating somebody who is quite religious. I am not. As a result, we do not discuss religion. She goes to church alone and I don't discuss with her why I dislike organized religion... much.
That sounds like it will cause some conflict in the future.
In any case, my sympathies for anyone who has been dumped because "They don't share the love of Jesus Christ", even though everything else is perfect. My friend had that happen, and was sent a two page break-up after one or two dates, where at no point did he mention religion. Maybe that was the problem? But I'm getting off topic here.
Funny. Listening to Richard Dawkins talk gives me the same feeling.
Why are you reacting defensively rather than addressing the point? Clearly, not all Christians are near-militant extremists. But someone declaring themselves a warrior for their faith should scare everyone, especially if that person is a child. If Richard Dawkins declared himself a warrior for science, I would be scared by that too (but also kind of amsued thinking about scientists with spears).
Richard Dawkins is not the Pope of Athiesm. I would appreciate him not being brought up for every athiesm example, because as a person many of his comments leave much to be desired, and I'm not openly hositle and inflammatory to religion.
I'm a Christian and "Jesus freaks" like in that camp creep me out too.
OP, many Christians believe that it's considered an abomination for them to be in a relationship with a non-Chrisian (in fact, it's in the Bible a few times). If they know someone they like, then they'll attempt to "save" them before really dating them.
If you like this girl, I'd suggest attending her church and keeping an open mind about it all. If you don't like her enough to do that, then I'd suggest finding someone else who more closely shares your beliefs.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
I think that is defintely an inapporpriate choice of words - I don't like anyone equating a discussion with a fight, but it is also nothing you don't see on Fox News at least once a night. Playing the 'blame game' will get you nowhere, and nowhere did I say I follow Dawkins or that I agree with anything he has to say. He's at minimum, a jerk. The fact that he says stupid things doesn't make the idea of Christian Warriors any less scary.
I've found there is a feeling among Christians that they are somehow being persecuted by the minority of athiests that exist in this country. It isn't the case.
Okay folks, this has woefully gotten off topic. The debate forum is where we discuss and debate the merits of church and religion. This thread is for specific advice on a situation that involves the religion.
The two are not one in the same. Get back on topic please.
Oh by the way, I am confirmed christian, ive just never been all about church. But im open to ideas, and I enjoy spending time with her more than just about anything.
Oh by the way, I am confirmed christian, ive just never been all about church. But im open to ideas, and I enjoy spending time with her more than just about anything.
So you are going to church not because you want to go, but because you want to be around her?
This doesn't exactly sound like an even relationship.
Also, have you asked her WHY she wants you to go to church with her? I'm assuming she knows you are not religious and don't go to church yourself. Genereally, when you now someone isn't into somehting, asking them to join you in it is pretty off base, unless they have a motive.
Probably already answered but more than likely she likes you but has made a sort of personal vow to only date men within her church or someone withi like minded christian values.
So in this way she is making you acceptable to herself and her parents. Probably she would have a problem (or her parents) with her getting it on with someone who was Wiccan or Atheist or something.
A second one is it might be her way of hinting that she wants to stay "pure" (if she is. though pently of christian girls fall off that wagon at 14)
what is the extent of your relationship? if you just met her recently then you might be heading in the fast lane for a one way trip to the friend zone. I am guessing she is a christian seeing as you said church. Part of that religion is the feeling of moral obligation to "spread the word" which could mean all sorts of different things.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
Thomas Jefferson
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
I often enjoyed going with girls I was dating to their places of worship. If you like someone, expereincing what drives their faith is an important part of understanding who they are.
[Clan Flamingo]
That screams "Jesus Freak" all over. This will not end well.
I really hope you are trying to make a funny.
Insert witty phrase here
I would've posted that myself but thought it'd be too late since the OP was prior to last weekend and I didn't find the thread until Monday.
@OP: Seriously though, does she know you play the devil's card game? I assume you play, considering this is MTGS.;)
She wants me to START going to church with her, this sunday will be the first time. Yeah she knows I play magic. she actually expressed interest in learning before we actually started getting close.
she sees magic no more of a waste of time than TV or facebook, both of which she spends time doing. we actually had a discussion about what was a bigger waste of time. I said it was magic/video games, she said TV. it was interesting.
Standard:
UControlW
RBig RedR
EDH:
UWGRafiq, the ManyUWG
GRWMayael the AnimaGRW
It's not a joke. I've seen the type.
If you are just looking for somhting physical, then go for it, repressed jesus freak girls tend to really have a lot of pent up naughtiness they love to unload on thier first boyfriends. But if you are looking for an actual relationship, it's not going to work. Your girl needs to be into the same things you are. If she's into church, and you aren't, it's not going to work.
If you have a desire to get into church, that's different, but that doesn't sound like the case.
Valarin, while there is a certain category of repressed person who ends up being over the top - to assume that she is just because she is religious without any other factors is a little silly. That has a lot more to do with a severely repressed home environment.
I went to the hindu temple with my Fiance only once in 7 years, and that was only because we were looking for a priest who could do the hindu wedding ceremony in english rather than sanskrit. Thankfully, she isn't particularly religious either, most Hindu stuff can be done at home, and she wanted to spare me the awkwardness of being the only white person there that everyone stares at.
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
Generalising is not a good thing Valarin. Remember that before you going thinking Christians are sexually repressed.
I'm not quite sure how to take you speaking of Jesus freaks. Could be a veiled insult. Not sure.
Insert witty phrase here
The way he is using Jesus Freaks is referring to the stereotypical christian teen that treats their religion like a sports team. Essentially, it is referring to these people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
Insert witty phrase here
Really? Maybe it was just the previews that made it seem terrifying.
Anytime I hear a child proclaim himself a "Warrior for Christ" and adults applaud, it sends shivers down my spine. And not in a good way. I've no problem with faith. I do have a major problem with the intense indoctrination of children and radicalism in some of the evangelical community.
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
Of course, there is the possibility that due to her inexperience with men she thinks this is a legitimate way to bond, and undoubtedly church is very important to her, but if you're looking to form a healthy relationship then you should be focusing on what the two of you have in common rather than having her drag you somewhere that will at best bore you and at worst infuriate you.
I'm currently dating somebody who is quite religious. I am not. As a result, we do not discuss religion. She goes to church alone and I don't discuss with her why I dislike organized religion... much.
That sounds like it will cause some conflict in the future.
In any case, my sympathies for anyone who has been dumped because "They don't share the love of Jesus Christ", even though everything else is perfect. My friend had that happen, and was sent a two page break-up after one or two dates, where at no point did he mention religion. Maybe that was the problem? But I'm getting off topic here.
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
No, it WAS terrifying. The people in the film are outright insane.
Funny. Listening to Richard Dawkins talk gives me the same feeling.
Insert witty phrase here
Why are you reacting defensively rather than addressing the point? Clearly, not all Christians are near-militant extremists. But someone declaring themselves a warrior for their faith should scare everyone, especially if that person is a child. If Richard Dawkins declared himself a warrior for science, I would be scared by that too (but also kind of amsued thinking about scientists with spears).
Richard Dawkins is not the Pope of Athiesm. I would appreciate him not being brought up for every athiesm example, because as a person many of his comments leave much to be desired, and I'm not openly hositle and inflammatory to religion.
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
Maybe not a warrior, but there is a youtube video where Richard Dawkins calls atheist to arms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGMqKCcN6A
Seems the same
Insert witty phrase here
Yes... equally horrifying.
I'm a Christian and "Jesus freaks" like in that camp creep me out too.
OP, many Christians believe that it's considered an abomination for them to be in a relationship with a non-Chrisian (in fact, it's in the Bible a few times). If they know someone they like, then they'll attempt to "save" them before really dating them.
If you like this girl, I'd suggest attending her church and keeping an open mind about it all. If you don't like her enough to do that, then I'd suggest finding someone else who more closely shares your beliefs.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
I think that is defintely an inapporpriate choice of words - I don't like anyone equating a discussion with a fight, but it is also nothing you don't see on Fox News at least once a night. Playing the 'blame game' will get you nowhere, and nowhere did I say I follow Dawkins or that I agree with anything he has to say. He's at minimum, a jerk. The fact that he says stupid things doesn't make the idea of Christian Warriors any less scary.
I've found there is a feeling among Christians that they are somehow being persecuted by the minority of athiests that exist in this country. It isn't the case.
TerribleBad at Magic since 1998.A Vorthos Guide to Magic Story | Twitter | Tumblr
[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
The two are not one in the same. Get back on topic please.
Standard:
UControlW
RBig RedR
EDH:
UWGRafiq, the ManyUWG
GRWMayael the AnimaGRW
You may already be friend-zoned at this point, just a warning
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=378550
So you are going to church not because you want to go, but because you want to be around her?
This doesn't exactly sound like an even relationship.
Also, have you asked her WHY she wants you to go to church with her? I'm assuming she knows you are not religious and don't go to church yourself. Genereally, when you now someone isn't into somehting, asking them to join you in it is pretty off base, unless they have a motive.
So in this way she is making you acceptable to herself and her parents. Probably she would have a problem (or her parents) with her getting it on with someone who was Wiccan or Atheist or something.
A second one is it might be her way of hinting that she wants to stay "pure" (if she is. though pently of christian girls fall off that wagon at 14)
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson