It just struck me in general. I am currently 16 years old and people my age (and a bit older) seem to listen mostly to pop, rap, and various electronic genres. I do like electronic music, but I think rock music carries a load more emotion. Also, it makes you want to buy a convertible car and sunglasses. The 2000´s still had some great rock, but the popular rock bands among our age group seem to be older bands like Pink Floyd and The Beatles. I listen to rock mostly because I always hang out with people in their 20´s and they show me their songs. I also noticed that there are almost no rock concerts in my country (from local bands that use our language) in my country anymore, as opposed to around 10 years ago.
The only thing I hate about rock is that it makes me want to be born a little earlier (around the 1990´s).
Rock evolves, like any other genre of music. I think it'll be a while before rock music goes away because its still relevant to people. Also, nearly everyone who has a parent or grandparent still living has listened to the Beatles and Pink Floyd. You have to delve deeper to get to the gems and to really get a feel for the various genres of rocks. Desert rock is a favorite of mine.
I can't say I'm a fan of the cookie-cutter garbage rock we see rampant on the radio that's popular these days. Granted, there are a few okay bands amongst them, but I unfortunately think that in pop culture, yeah, heavier music is dying out. I would've loved to have been an 80's kid for the music, myself.
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I can't say I'm a fan of the cookie-cutter garbage rock we see rampant on the radio that's popular these days. Granted, there are a few okay bands amongst them, but I unfortunately think that in pop culture, yeah, heavier music is dying out. I would've loved to have been an 80's kid for the music, myself.
anyone who listens to the 80s regularly, will eventually have that epiffany and say "ok time for the 90s!". which is what every 80s kid around me did at work.
personally I broke that trend by going, "i'm still not old enough to give a crap about the 90s, i'm going back to the 70s" ever since that declaration the music wars have been on at work, 70s v the 90s. i'm not really winning this war with the gain of anyone to my side at work though....
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It's hardly disappearing... you just specifically want classic rock and honestly you'll probably branch out from that at some point or another if you're open to doing so at all.
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I can't say I'm a fan of the cookie-cutter garbage rock we see rampant on the radio that's popular these days. Granted, there are a few okay bands amongst them, but I unfortunately think that in pop culture, yeah, heavier music is dying out. I would've loved to have been an 80's kid for the music, myself.
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Regarding the discussion at hand, what would be important to define is rock. What precisely is it? A good passage that I offer in response to this is from Simon & Schuster's 2001 The Rolling Stone Encyclop[e/ae?]dia of Rock & Roll. It essentially contends that there is tension between all eras of rock, and this tension that makes rock what it is; rock is the culmination of what is now tried and true (and generally commercial and popular), originally a derivative of (classical) rhythm and blues, gospel music, country and folk music, and what is unique, the avant-garde, which seeks to shake down conventions, with the new generations of rockers leaving indelible fingerprints on the formula of rock. As frequently as rock has been absorbing and mutating new ideas that make it edgier, tougher, and simpler, it is also absorbing things that apparently less rock.
I accept that rock as it is is no longer rock as it was, but such is the nature of the universe; besides rock stars and all other things dying, things, such as tastes and technologies, are liable to change. Like language, music forms are liable to change. To hope for rock to remain rock as you understand it, which is not yet mature and leaves much to be desired, is to be like King Cnut.
You should realise that there are more rock bands than ever, and there are more rock songs now than before too; part of the apparent decline of rock is there is such competition that no band dominates and stands out.
Simply put, rock (or rock acts and their songs) is not as well represented on charts, though sometimes rock as a genre has its own chart (as do R&B, dance, etc. music). However, it is far from giving up the good fight.
It just struck me in general. I am currently 16 years old and people my age (and a bit older) seem to listen mostly to pop, rap, and various electronic genres.
As you are to your opinion of and preference for rock, others are to whatever else.
I do like electronic music, but I think rock music carries a load more emotion.
If you say so. To me, other genres often convey as much, if not more, emotion.
Also, it makes you want to buy a convertible car and sunglasses.
The only thing that makes me want to buy a real car and sunglasses are Don Henley.
The 2000´s still had some great rock, but the popular rock bands among our age group seem to be older bands like Pink Floyd and The Beatles.
I would've loved to have been an 80's kid for the music, myself.
As a kid of the 80's i can tell you it's not as much as you make it out to be, it's not until later on that we learned how good the 80's really were (like mid 90's)
It's hardly disappearing... you just specifically want classic rock and honestly you'll probably branch out from that at some point or another if you're open to doing so at all.
If you say so. To me, other genres often convey as much, if not more, emotion.
Personally for me ska carries a much wider range of emotion than rock, but thats more of a personal thing because of where i was in my life and how it influenced/helped me get through it all.
The only thing that makes me want to buy a real car and sunglasses are Don Henley.
Um...
AC/DC makes me want to drive around, maybe obnoxiously and without regard for volume or my horrible singing voice, but not buy a car....luca turilli i would almost sing out loud if i could chant latin quickly.... but otherwise i honestly cant say i have ever been inspired to do something quite as drastic as buying a car or any equivalent due to music... i feel kinda sad typing this now...
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Personally for me ska carries a much wider range of emotion than rock, but thats more of a personal thing because of where i was in my life and how it influenced/helped me get through it all.
Right, it's subjective.
AC/DC makes me want to drive around, maybe obnoxiously and without regard for volume or my horrible singing voice, but not buy a car....luca turilli i would almost sing out loud if i could chant latin quickly.... but otherwise i honestly cant say i have ever been inspired to do something quite as drastic as buying a car or any equivalent due to music... i feel kinda sad typing this now...
I was thinking more laconically, as in "The Boys of Summer". The song actually makes reference to a specific make of car.
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I grew up in the '80's. And, frankly, aside from the underground, it was a wasteland for good music. The '80's was the beginning of the end of the singer-songwriter in popular music as much as it was the rise of producer-driven music and the paid professional pop songsmith. Disco was literally the death knell for honest popular music.
The one moderately saving grace for me in that decade was the later popularity of new wave music. If not for that...
Also, one thing I find highly ironic as a 40-year-old is that the same people who called me a "devil worshipper" - and worse - for being a heavy metal fan in the '80's are the exact same people who now claim to love it... now that Metallica, Pantera, etc. have their music blasted in sports arenas.
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For me, the 80s were pretty damn good because they gave me Slayer: Reign in Blood. That's really all it takes to make me happy. And then there's about a million other great 80s albums too, of course. But really, every decade since about the 1930s has a lot of music I appreciate, but I'd say it really started pumping out the kind of stuff that's my go-to music around the time of Black Sabbath, but the majority of what I listen to goes back to the 80s and through to today.
For me, the 80s were pretty damn good because they gave me Slayer: Reign in Blood. That's really all it takes to make me happy. And then there's about a million other great 80s albums too, of course. But really, every decade since about the 1930s has a lot of music I appreciate, but I'd say it really started pumping out the kind of stuff that's my go-to music around the time of Black Sabbath, but the majority of what I listen to goes back to the 80s and through to today.
I think some of you are missing the subject of the thread, which is the rock genre (though, what is rock? Do you mean rock itself? Metal? Anything descended or influenced by rock?), not your musical preferences, music as a whole, your nostalgic reflections of halcyon days as seen through rose-tinted glasses, or bitter and cynical complaints about the new stuff.
The only thing I hate about rock is that it makes me want to be born a little earlier (around the 1990´s).
Just processed this. Presumably, this is so that your formative years would have coincided with the release of music to which you can relate or so that these songs actually mean something to you?
Music tastes are cyclical. The last few generations loved rock music, but all of the 'greats' are aging at this point, and more recent rock was tied to the grunge movement, which I think most people have moved past. Plus, every generation wants 'their' music, not the music of the generation that came before. It'll come back to rock at the forefront eventually, and it'll never die.
Pop is named pop for a reason. It's popular music. Almost any genre can have a song/artist be considered pop if it becomes mainstream enough.
Like Paramore is a rock band. Their sound has evolved over the years like anyone else but for the most part their rock style is the same as when they first started. However everyone calls them Pop or Pop-Rock. If Paramore had never been mainstream they would just be called rock or alternative rock.
Beyonce is R&B, but since she became popular now she is considered pop.
Rihanna started out R&B, but now alot of her music electronic/dance. However all of career she has been called pop.
Pop is a huge mainstream umbrella of a music genre that covers all genres that find itself under it any some point.
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I listen to just about any genre with a female vocalist (I just prefer their vocal range and pitchs) and I consider 90% of my library pop. Some of it is Trance, Eurodance, Alternative Rock, Metal, Electro, Disco, House, R&B, Country, Bubblegum, etc. but its all just pop.
I think in the age of the internet people have a lot more choices.
We can go deep as we want in any niche we like and the common folk/ teens can be fed even more generic pop.
Rock is not dead or declining, mainstream music marketing just isn't pushing it as much. You can still find awesome new rock bands.
Rock only seems dead because it has been split in so many different sub genre's that we're a long long way from the simple days of elvis, beatles, or even the who, and even then, THOSE can be classified as sub genres too!
Many appropriate posts but rather than quote I'll reiterate. Rock (Rock & Roll) is indeed alive and well. The whole trend with labeling through sub-genres should be ingored. Rock has a pretty loose definition and it should. To me, and many music enthusiasts, it's simply a musical form rooted in the blues (where it all began). SeeChuck Berry. It has been ever present since. If you look at the charts over time, there has always been mainstream pop garbage dominating the charts but the quantity of what can be called Rock has always been reletively high. There are so many bands today that are kicking out great rock & roll I won't even try to list them. A few stand outs that I think are driving forward while respecting their roots and influences include: Muse, My Morning Jacket, Dr. Dog, Black Keys, Jack White projects/bands, hell U2 is still at it after all these years and still putting out good work. I could go on and on, those just popped into my head. Bands can classify as rock and pop simultaneously (ie: Beatles). Heck, there are a million jam bands, all of which classify as rock. Even Dave Mathews (CRINGE/SHUDDER) falls into the category.
It just struck me in general. I am currently 16 years old and people my age (and a bit older) seem to listen mostly to pop, rap, and various electronic genres.
Kids your age often listen to crap, my 16 year old daughter is one of them, but she still appreciates some classics and good modern material too. I did raise her on Queen, The Beatles, David Bowie, etc. so eventually she'll get it. I was exactly the same at that age.
Even though I primarily read Rolling Stone for the articles, it is a great snap shot of the industry at any given time. The rag follows the money. Compare the college top ten with the regular top ten and you get a very good picture of how musical tastes tend to change from high school to college and beyond. You just happen to be ahead of the curve. This is not to say there won't be douche bags in their 20s listening to horrible electronica. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to want to die. Part of the reason is that horrible taste in "music" is one of the many bad side effects of designer drug use.
Some mainstream rock bands playing on our top 40 radio stations:
- OneRepublic
- Imagine Dragons
- Mumford and Sons
- Passenger
- all that other folk stuff I don't care for (Of Monsters and Men, etc.)
Folk music is quite popular right now and a lot of folk bands happen to also be indie rock. I believe that folk will be one of the next big sounds of Gen Z as much as I dislike it. (That and electronic.)
If you're a rock purist who refuses to accept that pop music can be rock as well, however, then, yes, rock is certainly very dead.
Some mainstream rock bands playing on our top 100 radio stations:
- OneRepublic
- Imagine Dragons
- Mumford and Sons
- Passenger
- all that other folk stuff I don't care for (Of Monsters and Men, etc.)
Folk music is quite popular right now and a lot of folk bands happen to also be indie rock. I believe that folk will be one of the next big sounds of Gen Z as much as I dislike it. (That and electronic.)
If you're a rock purist who refuses to accept that pop music can be rock as well, however, then, yes, rock is certainly very dead.
Yeah, the folk thing has been pretty big for a while. It can be very irritating just like the million jam bands that have sprung up. Trampled By Turtles fall into that category and they absolutely rip but it's that annoying jam/folk/rock hybrid.
Yeah, the folk thing has been pretty big for a while. It can be very irritating just like the million jam bands that have sprung up. Trampled By Turtles fall into that category and they absolutely rip but it's that annoying jam/folk/rock hybrid.
I know Folk has had a devout following for a while; but it's only been like one or two years any of its songs begun charting on the Billboard Hot 100 and making it to top 40 Radio. (And for a while it was just Munford and Sons.) This isn't just subculture big, folk is becoming mainstream pop music Beyonce big. Folk is like playing in the JCPenney in your shopping mall big.
I find that the Radio is where music goes to live on for eons even if it sucks while the internet is where you can find talented artists that might never be on the radio.
I can find lots of great music to my tastes with little effort. I doubt that rock is going down hill it just isn't as popular as it used to be.
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The only thing I hate about rock is that it makes me want to be born a little earlier (around the 1990´s).
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anyone who listens to the 80s regularly, will eventually have that epiffany and say "ok time for the 90s!". which is what every 80s kid around me did at work.
personally I broke that trend by going, "i'm still not old enough to give a crap about the 90s, i'm going back to the 70s" ever since that declaration the music wars have been on at work, 70s v the 90s. i'm not really winning this war with the gain of anyone to my side at work though....
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Regarding the discussion at hand, what would be important to define is rock. What precisely is it? A good passage that I offer in response to this is from Simon & Schuster's 2001 The Rolling Stone Encyclop[e/ae?]dia of Rock & Roll. It essentially contends that there is tension between all eras of rock, and this tension that makes rock what it is; rock is the culmination of what is now tried and true (and generally commercial and popular), originally a derivative of (classical) rhythm and blues, gospel music, country and folk music, and what is unique, the avant-garde, which seeks to shake down conventions, with the new generations of rockers leaving indelible fingerprints on the formula of rock. As frequently as rock has been absorbing and mutating new ideas that make it edgier, tougher, and simpler, it is also absorbing things that apparently less rock.
I accept that rock as it is is no longer rock as it was, but such is the nature of the universe; besides rock stars and all other things dying, things, such as tastes and technologies, are liable to change. Like language, music forms are liable to change. To hope for rock to remain rock as you understand it, which is not yet mature and leaves much to be desired, is to be like King Cnut.
You should realise that there are more rock bands than ever, and there are more rock songs now than before too; part of the apparent decline of rock is there is such competition that no band dominates and stands out.
Simply put, rock (or rock acts and their songs) is not as well represented on charts, though sometimes rock as a genre has its own chart (as do R&B, dance, etc. music). However, it is far from giving up the good fight.
As you are to your opinion of and preference for rock, others are to whatever else.
If you say so. To me, other genres often convey as much, if not more, emotion.
The only thing that makes me want to buy a real car and sunglasses are Don Henley.
Um...
As a kid of the 80's i can tell you it's not as much as you make it out to be, it's not until later on that we learned how good the 80's really were (like mid 90's)
To quote Die Hard 4:
"It's Old rock, that doesnt make it classic"
Personally for me ska carries a much wider range of emotion than rock, but thats more of a personal thing because of where i was in my life and how it influenced/helped me get through it all.
AC/DC makes me want to drive around, maybe obnoxiously and without regard for volume or my horrible singing voice, but not buy a car....luca turilli i would almost sing out loud if i could chant latin quickly.... but otherwise i honestly cant say i have ever been inspired to do something quite as drastic as buying a car or any equivalent due to music... i feel kinda sad typing this now...
I was thinking more laconically, as in "The Boys of Summer". The song actually makes reference to a specific make of car.
If you don't feel the same way, fine.
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The one moderately saving grace for me in that decade was the later popularity of new wave music. If not for that...
Also, one thing I find highly ironic as a 40-year-old is that the same people who called me a "devil worshipper" - and worse - for being a heavy metal fan in the '80's are the exact same people who now claim to love it... now that Metallica, Pantera, etc. have their music blasted in sports arenas.
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I think some of you are missing the subject of the thread, which is the rock genre (though, what is rock? Do you mean rock itself? Metal? Anything descended or influenced by rock?), not your musical preferences, music as a whole, your nostalgic reflections of halcyon days as seen through rose-tinted glasses, or bitter and cynical complaints about the new stuff.
Just processed this. Presumably, this is so that your formative years would have coincided with the release of music to which you can relate or so that these songs actually mean something to you?
Tastes change and are somewhat cyclical, and people's tastes in music are amorphous and inconsistent when preferences are expressed.
In other words, it's just a phase.
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Like Paramore is a rock band. Their sound has evolved over the years like anyone else but for the most part their rock style is the same as when they first started. However everyone calls them Pop or Pop-Rock. If Paramore had never been mainstream they would just be called rock or alternative rock.
Beyonce is R&B, but since she became popular now she is considered pop.
Rihanna started out R&B, but now alot of her music electronic/dance. However all of career she has been called pop.
Pop is a huge mainstream umbrella of a music genre that covers all genres that find itself under it any some point.
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I listen to just about any genre with a female vocalist (I just prefer their vocal range and pitchs) and I consider 90% of my library pop. Some of it is Trance, Eurodance, Alternative Rock, Metal, Electro, Disco, House, R&B, Country, Bubblegum, etc. but its all just pop.
We can go deep as we want in any niche we like and the common folk/ teens can be fed even more generic pop.
Rock is not dead or declining, mainstream music marketing just isn't pushing it as much. You can still find awesome new rock bands.
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Kids your age often listen to crap, my 16 year old daughter is one of them, but she still appreciates some classics and good modern material too. I did raise her on Queen, The Beatles, David Bowie, etc. so eventually she'll get it. I was exactly the same at that age.
Even though I primarily read Rolling Stone for the articles, it is a great snap shot of the industry at any given time. The rag follows the money. Compare the college top ten with the regular top ten and you get a very good picture of how musical tastes tend to change from high school to college and beyond. You just happen to be ahead of the curve. This is not to say there won't be douche bags in their 20s listening to horrible electronica. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to want to die. Part of the reason is that horrible taste in "music" is one of the many bad side effects of designer drug use.
Some mainstream rock bands playing on our top 40 radio stations:
- OneRepublic
- Imagine Dragons
- Mumford and Sons
- Passenger
- all that other folk stuff I don't care for (Of Monsters and Men, etc.)
Folk music is quite popular right now and a lot of folk bands happen to also be indie rock. I believe that folk will be one of the next big sounds of Gen Z as much as I dislike it. (That and electronic.)
If you're a rock purist who refuses to accept that pop music can be rock as well, however, then, yes, rock is certainly very dead.
Yeah, the folk thing has been pretty big for a while. It can be very irritating just like the million jam bands that have sprung up. Trampled By Turtles fall into that category and they absolutely rip but it's that annoying jam/folk/rock hybrid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNTO31FlY8
I know Folk has had a devout following for a while; but it's only been like one or two years any of its songs begun charting on the Billboard Hot 100 and making it to top 40 Radio. (And for a while it was just Munford and Sons.) This isn't just subculture big, folk is becoming mainstream pop music Beyonce big. Folk is like playing in the JCPenney in your shopping mall big.
I can find lots of great music to my tastes with little effort. I doubt that rock is going down hill it just isn't as popular as it used to be.