Yeah. Not the same. The theater did not see him in body armor loaded up with guns and then let him in. That is what the leadership in Penn State did for a decade.
What if the manager of the theater did let him in? would that be grounds to punish the business or just the manager?
Why are we comparing two hugely different situations, each with their own unique complexities? Frankly, it seems like a waste of time and a distraction.
In a case involving systemic corruption and coverups, sweeping punishments are appropriate in addition to action again individuals.
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Why are we comparing two hugely different situations, each with their own unique complexities? Frankly, it seems like a waste of time and a distraction.
In a case involving systemic corruption and coverups, sweeping punishments are appropriate in addition to action again individuals.
So because 45 children suffered at the hands of one sick individual, and a few covered it up to save face for the college. Thousands should pay as collateral damage? Makes no sense. 2 wrongs dont make a right.
What pisses me off the most is the ones guilty for doing this are not the ones having to pay or being punished (except for Sandusky, who in my opinion should be put to death, yesterday).
I fail to see how the sanctions make "thousands pay as collateral damage". $60 million, one year of football revenue, is going into an endowment to benefit abuse victims. That's bad how?
It punishes the football program (Paterno was a major player in the coverup, and he was the football program) and benefits victims of similar crimes. Thats called "killing two birds with one stone."
What 2 wrongs are you referring to? Sandusky's crime and what? Punishing systemic corruption? That is what needed to happen. The 2 wrongs are what Sandusky did and the coverup.
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I didnt know that Joe Paterno was running back punts and catching touch downs...
Who do you think is hurt by the loss of money and scholarships? Joe Paterno? He's dead. Sandusky? He is in jail. The old administration? They arent part of the school.
So now the new administration not only gets to deal with the horrible publicity it's school is going through, it also has to deal with a huge loss of funds that normally go toward keeping it's athletics programs running. The students get to deal with loss of athletics programs to make up for the loss of funds. Chances are the bad press combined with the loss of bowl games will destroy the schools student population, since athletes will not want to go there since they have no money, and academics will prefer schools with less bad stigma attached to them.
The school was already punished by the having to deal with the mess it's previous employees left. Why do we feel the need to punish the school further for something it's employees did?
You keep calling them employees. They were the employers, the upper crust of administration.
The parties involved represented the football program and institution as a whole. They were in charge. Yes, the new administration has been handed a rather raw deal. Thats life. An exampled needed to be made of Penn, which is unfortunate. They'll recover.
As for academics avoiding the school...maybe to an extent, but it won't be noticeable. The academic job market is so dismal right now that any tenure track position that opens up will be dogpiled. Maybe a few less applicants than the norm, but when the pool is in the hundreds it won't make that much of a difference.
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What about the student athletes who played for Penn State during those twelve years of wins they vacated? Did they deserve to have what they worked for and earned taken away from them? Are they somehow complicit in the crime and also deserved to be punished?
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I fail to see how the sanctions make "thousands pay as collateral damage". $60 million, one year of football revenue, is going into an endowment to benefit abuse victims. That's bad how?
It punishes the football program (Paterno was a major player in the coverup, and he was the football program) and benefits victims of similar crimes. Thats called "killing two birds with one stone."
What 2 wrongs are you referring to? Sandusky's crime and what? Punishing systemic corruption? That is what needed to happen. The 2 wrongs are what Sandusky did and the coverup.
60 million was LAST YEARS income of the football team. Everyone under the sun that knows anything about college football has said with no bowl games they have no chance in hell to generate that kind of money this year or the next 4 under sanctions. Even with the monies they get from the BTN and the loss of the scholarships they will be short millions of dollars to pay the fines. Because of this, the school is going to have to restructure the sports of the school, get rid of fringe sports that dont generate monies, figure out a way to pay the fines. Penn St. was a top 20 EDUCATIONAL school in the country. Do you think with the sanctions and the hoops the SCHOOL is going to have to jump thru to cover the monies needed that education will be front and center in their thinking? What about the stigma of going to Penn St.?
But this had nothing to do with football. Everyone say it did is just looking for some fall guy, patsy to blame and take responsibility for it. One person, Jopa was involved, Not the whole football staff, not the players, it didnt effect the outcome of what happened on the field. The NCAA had NO RIGHT to do what it did. Yet as a society we let it because we need closure and are willing to sacrifice many more then was originally effected by 1 mans actions. Sad, very sad in my opinion.
Again you gloss over the fact that all the people involved in the cover up ARE NO LONGER WITH THE SCHOOL and are not being punished in any way for their actions. People do things, not places of education or business.
It is about football though. It's about the fact that Penn State and many, many other top-notch universities have let their sports programs become the MOST important thing to them. They've let that become what they are known for on a national level.
The NCAA is taking measures to finally prevent that from being the case.
You have other nationally ranked schools that do fine academically and are known for that first and foremost. Stanford has excellent sports programs, but when you say Stanford you think education standards.
When somebody says Penn State nobody immediately thinks education status. It's a secondary thought. They immediately think football. Ohio State? Football. Alabama? Football. Duke/UNC fall into this trap as well with their basketball programs.
There is nothing wrong with having sports programs - but that shouldn't be all the university is known for.
Do I feel bad that Penn State has to pay for the creation of a culture that worships sports above education at the collegiate level? Yes. Do I understand why the NCAA dropped hammers and a piano on them? Definitely.
The same way that Magic occasionally over-reacts in regards to punishments they hand out to make examples of people.
Stalling and cheating? Six month suspension.
Leak some spoilers as a pro? Three years.
Make a joke in poor taste that obviously wasn't serious? Lifetime ban.
It is about football though. It's about the fact that Penn State and many, many other top-notch universities have let their sports programs become the MOST important thing to them. They've let that become what they are known for on a national level.
The NCAA is taking measures to finally prevent that from being the case.
You have other nationally ranked schools that do fine academically and are known for that first and foremost. Stanford has excellent sports programs, but when you say Stanford you think education standards.
When somebody says Penn State nobody immediately thinks education status. It's a secondary thought. They immediately think football. Ohio State? Football. Alabama? Football. Duke/UNC fall into this trap as well with their basketball programs.
There is nothing wrong with having sports programs - but that shouldn't be all the university is known for.
Do I feel bad that Penn State has to pay for the creation of a culture that worships sports above education at the collegiate level? Yes. Do I understand why the NCAA dropped hammers and a piano on them? Definitely.
The same way that Magic occasionally over-reacts in regards to punishments they hand out to make examples of people.
Stalling and cheating? Six month suspension.
Leak some spoilers as a pro? Three years.
Make a joke in poor taste that obviously wasn't serious? Lifetime ban.
I will just agree to disagree with you, I dont agree with anything you took the time to write here. This had absolutely nothing to do with the football program at Penn St. The NCAA had no right to sanction the school since the happenings didnt effect any thing that happened on the field of play. The NCAA is there to keep teams playing fair, not for legal issues. I feel for this country if this is what people feel is the right thing to do.
An exampled needed to be made of Penn, which is unfortunate. They'll recover.
What example is that? The parties responsible are no longer with the school. The only example I see is if you cover up a crime as a school administrator and then leave the school can still be punished for you actions. Do you think those people who covered it up really care that much? They are facing jail time. I highly doubt that their concern lies with what happens to the Penn State football program now that they are gone.
It is about football though. It's about the fact that Penn State and many, many other top-notch universities have let their sports programs become the MOST important thing to them. They've let that become what they are known for on a national level.
No it isnt. It is about people covering up a crime. It doesnt matter what their motivation for doing it was. They covered up crime which has a punishment of jail time. Them getting caught and going to jail is the example. Most people dont want to go to jail. Punishing the school they worked at doesnt somehow make it less likely that someone else would do it in the future. A lot of people dont give a rats behind about what happens to their previous employer. If this sort of thing came in front of a school administrator now what do you think they are going to worry about? Going to jail or losing the school's bowl games and money?
What example is that? The parties responsible are no longer with the school. The only example I see is if you cover up a crime as a school administrator and then leave the school can still be punished for you actions.
So.... the only example you see where it could happen is an example of what actually happened.
Ok. Sure. That doesn't really help your position though...
You misunderstand. themightyquinn said that they needed to make an example of Penn State and I am questioning what example it is that they are making? As if this ruling is suddenly going to make schools with large football programs big brother over their coaching staffs more than the tragedy already would have.
If you don't think $60 million in school revenue every year is enough to blind people from doing the right thing this is the perfect example. From Paterno on up the administrative chain that knew what was possibly going on everybody either covered it up or turned a blind eye and pretended it didn't exist.
I don't think that anything NOT bringing in that amount of extra revenue for the school gets covered up like this was. That's why it's a problem that needs to be addressed by the NCAA. Being blinded from doing the proper and ethical thing because of the amount of money you'll lose is a horrible trend to allow. Multiple people who are in charge at the university did just that though.
Penn State can fire Sandusky and go...sorry that happened. The culture doesn't change at all and you immediately go back to what you were doing before with your football program. Paterno still gets into the Hall of Fame and is revered (though they could have just kept the records - vacating them is just stupid). If they really want to affect that possibility you can Joe Jackson/Pete Rose him and ban him from the game. If you can keep the all-time hit leader in baseball out for something like gambling than ethics and sportsmanship play into punishing people.
The culture of who?? Everyone involved is gone! You are implying that without these punishments, if it were to happen again at Penn State the NEW administration would do the same thing.
If you don't think $60 million in school revenue every year is enough to blind people from doing the right thing this is the perfect example. From Paterno on up the administrative chain that knew what was possibly going on everybody either covered it up or turned a blind eye and pretended it didn't exist.
I don't think that anything NOT bringing in that amount of extra revenue for the school gets covered up like this was. That's why it's a problem that needs to be addressed by the NCAA. Being blinded from doing the proper and ethical thing because of the amount of money you'll lose is a horrible trend to allow. Multiple people who are in charge at the university did just that though.
Penn State can fire Sandusky and go...sorry that happened. The culture doesn't change at all and you immediately go back to what you were doing before with your football program. Paterno still gets into the Hall of Fame and is revered (though they could have just kept the records - vacating them is just stupid). If they really want to affect that possibility you can Joe Jackson/Pete Rose him and ban him from the game. If you can keep the all-time hit leader in baseball out for something like gambling than ethics and sportsmanship play into punishing people.
The only flaw in your thinking is those paying for the incident are all innocent by standers of what a few did and are no longer at the school and/or cant be punished. What we are trying to say are THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE BEING PUNISHED.
Do you ground your kid when the neighbor kid was tearing up the lawn? stole a bike? smoked weed? No, you try and get the neighbor kid punished and you keep your kid away from the neighbor kid. In this case, the neighbor kid stole money, is gone with it, and you are looking for someone to blame, so you punish your kid for it, when he had no clue what was going on.
so you punish your kid for it, when he had no clue what was going on.
No the school knew what was going on and did nothing. that is what got them in trouble.
all because the school's football program might take a hit. well now it took a hit.
had they reported him to the authorities the way they should have done it would have not had an issue.
sure everyone would have gone OMG i can't believe it, but that would have been it. the school would have been seen as the good guy for busting him and it would have gone away.
the NCAA is setting an example. it is about time as well since they usually stand on the sidelines of such things when it comes to college football and only step in when major incidents occur.
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No the school knew what was going on and did nothing. that is what got them in trouble.
all because the school's football program might take a hit. well now it took a hit.
had they reported him to the authorities the way they should have done it would have not had an issue.
sure everyone would have gone OMG i can't believe it, but that would have been it. the school would have been seen as the good guy for busting him and it would have gone away.
the NCAA is setting an example. it is about time as well since they usually stand on the sidelines of such things when it comes to college football and only step in when major incidents occur.
The board of directors DID NOT KNOW what was going on, the students didnt know what was going on, the teachers and professors didnt know what was going on. There was a select few people, a couple of them being higher ups knew what was going on.
What happened had NOTHING to do with the football team. It had nothing to do with the student athletes on the college team, it had nothing to do with the play on the field. The NCAA had no right to do what it did.
This was a legal matter that should have been handled in the courts, not by the NCAA.
But now because the NCAA got involved, the board of directors, the students, and the teachers and professors that had NO CLUE what was going on have to pay for what those who are no longer at the school had done. The collateral damage in this case is just as bad as the original actions. Sandusky assaulted 45 children, the NCAA assaulted thousands of innocent by standers.
Exactly what Bocephus said. Just because a few members of a group know something doesnt mean the entire group does.
If one member of a football teams kills someone and then his teammate covers it up for him. Do you punish the entire team? What if the Head Coach knew? I suppose the other players need to lose too. Someone may try to correlate this with the Saints Bounty program where the entire Saints team did receive a minor punishment of losing it's first draft pick of the season. However the big difference is the entire defense, players and coaches, and most if not all of the other coaching staff knew about the program. Did the entire administrative staff of Penn State know about this tragedy? Did the entire coaching staff even know? It seems to be agreed that the players certainly didnt know.
I am tired of hearing/seeing "Penn State covered up.." when it should be "these 5 people at the school covered up...".
Exactly what Bocephus said. Just because a few members of a group know something doesnt mean the entire group does.
If one member of a football teams kills someone and then his teammate covers it up for him. Do you punish the entire team? What if the Head Coach knew? I suppose the other players need to lose too. Someone may try to correlate this with the Saints Bounty program where the entire Saints team did receive a minor punishment of losing it's first draft pick of the season. However the big difference is the entire defense, players and coaches, and most if not all of the other coaching staff knew about the program. Did the entire administrative staff of Penn State know about this tragedy? Did the entire coaching staff even know? It seems to be agreed that the players certainly didnt know.
I am tired of hearing/seeing "Penn State covered up.." when it should be "these 5 people at the school covered up...".
Those 5 people were allowed by school officials to amass ridiculous amounts of influence. They are responsible for the amount of power and leverage these 5 people wielded and therefore also responsible for how that power was used.
Those 5 people were allowed by school officials to amass ridiculous amounts of influence. They are responsible for the amount of power and leverage these 5 people wielded and therefore also responsible for how that power was used.
But those who had the power are no longer at the school. They are not the ones being punished for what they did. Those there now are.
Worst case of pass the buck mentality I have seen in some time.
Those 5 people were allowed by school officials to amass ridiculous amounts of influence. They are responsible for the amount of power and leverage these 5 people wielded and therefore also responsible for how that power was used.
So if a CEO lets someone become a manager then that manger does something illegal we should punish the CEO???
Those people were given power to run the school. The board couldnt know they would commit/cover up a criminal act.
No, but part of a CEO's job is monitoring his appointees.
"Hey, Bill, time for your weekly check-up. Uh, has there been any child molestations reported this week? No? Alright man, thanks for your time. We'll go over the rest after lunch."
By your logic that's a typical conversation a CEO should have with his immediate staff. Nice.
This bloodlust people seem to have for everyone that was in a square mile of the events is sickening. The only people that should be punished are the people that knew and did nothing, and you guessed it, Sandusky.
So yeah, let's put the entire school's head on a pike and display it for everyone else to see. No one there was morally obligated to snoop around for child molesters in their midst. So let's step off this invisible moral highground everyone seems to be standing on before you fall onto the stones you've been throwing.
I'm glad we're punishing professors and students because Sandusky in a completely non-school related event molested children. Because the education in this country hasn't suffered enough.
The board of directors DID NOT KNOW what was going on, the students didnt know what was going on, the teachers and professors didnt know what was going on.
Correct no one is saying they did.
There was a select few people, a couple of them being higher ups knew what was going on.
Yep and they did nothing about it which is why the school is in major trouble.
What happened had NOTHING to do with the football team.
actually it did because sanduski was the offensive or defensive coordinator at the time. you don't seem to understand that this was going on while he was a football coach at penn state. he continued while using the football facilities for camps and other things, and the school let him do it. Joe PA didn't say a word to anyone when he could have done the right thing. his record is forever tarnished. he won't ever make the hall of fame.
The NCAA had no right to do what it did.
yes they did or they wouldn't have been able to do what they did.
This was a legal matter that should have been handled in the courts, not by the NCAA.
It is being handled by the courts as well. the students and kids that were abused are now suing penn st.
Sandusky assaulted 45 children, the NCAA assaulted thousands of innocent by standers.
as the saying goes if you can't handle the time don't do the crime.
the problem extends further than that. Joe PA was still on staff knew what the guy did to boys and continued to allow him access for his football camps and things that he was running.
the President, VP, President of Finance (key word) and joe PA along with others (those were the big 4). covered it up.
instead of going to the police. they evidence is clear cut back when he was still with the school doing this and they did nothing.
the school is lucky the NCAA didn't nuke the program altogether. they have done it before.
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What if the manager of the theater did let him in? would that be grounds to punish the business or just the manager?
What if it was the ceo?
In a case involving systemic corruption and coverups, sweeping punishments are appropriate in addition to action again individuals.
So because 45 children suffered at the hands of one sick individual, and a few covered it up to save face for the college. Thousands should pay as collateral damage? Makes no sense. 2 wrongs dont make a right.
What pisses me off the most is the ones guilty for doing this are not the ones having to pay or being punished (except for Sandusky, who in my opinion should be put to death, yesterday).
It punishes the football program (Paterno was a major player in the coverup, and he was the football program) and benefits victims of similar crimes. Thats called "killing two birds with one stone."
What 2 wrongs are you referring to? Sandusky's crime and what? Punishing systemic corruption? That is what needed to happen. The 2 wrongs are what Sandusky did and the coverup.
Who do you think is hurt by the loss of money and scholarships? Joe Paterno? He's dead. Sandusky? He is in jail. The old administration? They arent part of the school.
So now the new administration not only gets to deal with the horrible publicity it's school is going through, it also has to deal with a huge loss of funds that normally go toward keeping it's athletics programs running. The students get to deal with loss of athletics programs to make up for the loss of funds. Chances are the bad press combined with the loss of bowl games will destroy the schools student population, since athletes will not want to go there since they have no money, and academics will prefer schools with less bad stigma attached to them.
The school was already punished by the having to deal with the mess it's previous employees left. Why do we feel the need to punish the school further for something it's employees did?
The parties involved represented the football program and institution as a whole. They were in charge. Yes, the new administration has been handed a rather raw deal. Thats life. An exampled needed to be made of Penn, which is unfortunate. They'll recover.
As for academics avoiding the school...maybe to an extent, but it won't be noticeable. The academic job market is so dismal right now that any tenure track position that opens up will be dogpiled. Maybe a few less applicants than the norm, but when the pool is in the hundreds it won't make that much of a difference.
60 million was LAST YEARS income of the football team. Everyone under the sun that knows anything about college football has said with no bowl games they have no chance in hell to generate that kind of money this year or the next 4 under sanctions. Even with the monies they get from the BTN and the loss of the scholarships they will be short millions of dollars to pay the fines. Because of this, the school is going to have to restructure the sports of the school, get rid of fringe sports that dont generate monies, figure out a way to pay the fines. Penn St. was a top 20 EDUCATIONAL school in the country. Do you think with the sanctions and the hoops the SCHOOL is going to have to jump thru to cover the monies needed that education will be front and center in their thinking? What about the stigma of going to Penn St.?
But this had nothing to do with football. Everyone say it did is just looking for some fall guy, patsy to blame and take responsibility for it. One person, Jopa was involved, Not the whole football staff, not the players, it didnt effect the outcome of what happened on the field. The NCAA had NO RIGHT to do what it did. Yet as a society we let it because we need closure and are willing to sacrifice many more then was originally effected by 1 mans actions. Sad, very sad in my opinion.
Again you gloss over the fact that all the people involved in the cover up ARE NO LONGER WITH THE SCHOOL and are not being punished in any way for their actions. People do things, not places of education or business.
The NCAA is taking measures to finally prevent that from being the case.
You have other nationally ranked schools that do fine academically and are known for that first and foremost. Stanford has excellent sports programs, but when you say Stanford you think education standards.
When somebody says Penn State nobody immediately thinks education status. It's a secondary thought. They immediately think football. Ohio State? Football. Alabama? Football. Duke/UNC fall into this trap as well with their basketball programs.
There is nothing wrong with having sports programs - but that shouldn't be all the university is known for.
Do I feel bad that Penn State has to pay for the creation of a culture that worships sports above education at the collegiate level? Yes. Do I understand why the NCAA dropped hammers and a piano on them? Definitely.
The same way that Magic occasionally over-reacts in regards to punishments they hand out to make examples of people.
Stalling and cheating? Six month suspension.
Leak some spoilers as a pro? Three years.
Make a joke in poor taste that obviously wasn't serious? Lifetime ban.
I will just agree to disagree with you, I dont agree with anything you took the time to write here. This had absolutely nothing to do with the football program at Penn St. The NCAA had no right to sanction the school since the happenings didnt effect any thing that happened on the field of play. The NCAA is there to keep teams playing fair, not for legal issues. I feel for this country if this is what people feel is the right thing to do.
What example is that? The parties responsible are no longer with the school. The only example I see is if you cover up a crime as a school administrator and then leave the school can still be punished for you actions. Do you think those people who covered it up really care that much? They are facing jail time. I highly doubt that their concern lies with what happens to the Penn State football program now that they are gone.
No it isnt. It is about people covering up a crime. It doesnt matter what their motivation for doing it was. They covered up crime which has a punishment of jail time. Them getting caught and going to jail is the example. Most people dont want to go to jail. Punishing the school they worked at doesnt somehow make it less likely that someone else would do it in the future. A lot of people dont give a rats behind about what happens to their previous employer. If this sort of thing came in front of a school administrator now what do you think they are going to worry about? Going to jail or losing the school's bowl games and money?
So.... the only example you see where it could happen is an example of what actually happened.
Ok. Sure. That doesn't really help your position though...
I don't think that anything NOT bringing in that amount of extra revenue for the school gets covered up like this was. That's why it's a problem that needs to be addressed by the NCAA. Being blinded from doing the proper and ethical thing because of the amount of money you'll lose is a horrible trend to allow. Multiple people who are in charge at the university did just that though.
Penn State can fire Sandusky and go...sorry that happened. The culture doesn't change at all and you immediately go back to what you were doing before with your football program. Paterno still gets into the Hall of Fame and is revered (though they could have just kept the records - vacating them is just stupid). If they really want to affect that possibility you can Joe Jackson/Pete Rose him and ban him from the game. If you can keep the all-time hit leader in baseball out for something like gambling than ethics and sportsmanship play into punishing people.
The only flaw in your thinking is those paying for the incident are all innocent by standers of what a few did and are no longer at the school and/or cant be punished. What we are trying to say are THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE BEING PUNISHED.
Do you ground your kid when the neighbor kid was tearing up the lawn? stole a bike? smoked weed? No, you try and get the neighbor kid punished and you keep your kid away from the neighbor kid. In this case, the neighbor kid stole money, is gone with it, and you are looking for someone to blame, so you punish your kid for it, when he had no clue what was going on.
No the school knew what was going on and did nothing. that is what got them in trouble.
all because the school's football program might take a hit. well now it took a hit.
had they reported him to the authorities the way they should have done it would have not had an issue.
sure everyone would have gone OMG i can't believe it, but that would have been it. the school would have been seen as the good guy for busting him and it would have gone away.
the NCAA is setting an example. it is about time as well since they usually stand on the sidelines of such things when it comes to college football and only step in when major incidents occur.
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The board of directors DID NOT KNOW what was going on, the students didnt know what was going on, the teachers and professors didnt know what was going on. There was a select few people, a couple of them being higher ups knew what was going on.
What happened had NOTHING to do with the football team. It had nothing to do with the student athletes on the college team, it had nothing to do with the play on the field. The NCAA had no right to do what it did.
This was a legal matter that should have been handled in the courts, not by the NCAA.
But now because the NCAA got involved, the board of directors, the students, and the teachers and professors that had NO CLUE what was going on have to pay for what those who are no longer at the school had done. The collateral damage in this case is just as bad as the original actions. Sandusky assaulted 45 children, the NCAA assaulted thousands of innocent by standers.
If one member of a football teams kills someone and then his teammate covers it up for him. Do you punish the entire team? What if the Head Coach knew? I suppose the other players need to lose too. Someone may try to correlate this with the Saints Bounty program where the entire Saints team did receive a minor punishment of losing it's first draft pick of the season. However the big difference is the entire defense, players and coaches, and most if not all of the other coaching staff knew about the program. Did the entire administrative staff of Penn State know about this tragedy? Did the entire coaching staff even know? It seems to be agreed that the players certainly didnt know.
I am tired of hearing/seeing "Penn State covered up.." when it should be "these 5 people at the school covered up...".
Those 5 people were allowed by school officials to amass ridiculous amounts of influence. They are responsible for the amount of power and leverage these 5 people wielded and therefore also responsible for how that power was used.
But those who had the power are no longer at the school. They are not the ones being punished for what they did. Those there now are.
Worst case of pass the buck mentality I have seen in some time.
So if a CEO lets someone become a manager then that manger does something illegal we should punish the CEO???
Those people were given power to run the school. The board couldnt know they would commit/cover up a criminal act.
No, but part of a CEO's job is monitoring his appointees.
"Hey, Bill, time for your weekly check-up. Uh, has there been any child molestations reported this week? No? Alright man, thanks for your time. We'll go over the rest after lunch."
By your logic that's a typical conversation a CEO should have with his immediate staff. Nice.
This bloodlust people seem to have for everyone that was in a square mile of the events is sickening. The only people that should be punished are the people that knew and did nothing, and you guessed it, Sandusky.
So yeah, let's put the entire school's head on a pike and display it for everyone else to see. No one there was morally obligated to snoop around for child molesters in their midst. So let's step off this invisible moral highground everyone seems to be standing on before you fall onto the stones you've been throwing.
I'm glad we're punishing professors and students because Sandusky in a completely non-school related event molested children. Because the education in this country hasn't suffered enough.
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Correct no one is saying they did.
Yep and they did nothing about it which is why the school is in major trouble.
actually it did because sanduski was the offensive or defensive coordinator at the time. you don't seem to understand that this was going on while he was a football coach at penn state. he continued while using the football facilities for camps and other things, and the school let him do it. Joe PA didn't say a word to anyone when he could have done the right thing. his record is forever tarnished. he won't ever make the hall of fame.
yes they did or they wouldn't have been able to do what they did.
It is being handled by the courts as well. the students and kids that were abused are now suing penn st.
as the saying goes if you can't handle the time don't do the crime.
the problem extends further than that. Joe PA was still on staff knew what the guy did to boys and continued to allow him access for his football camps and things that he was running.
the President, VP, President of Finance (key word) and joe PA along with others (those were the big 4). covered it up.
instead of going to the police. they evidence is clear cut back when he was still with the school doing this and they did nothing.
the school is lucky the NCAA didn't nuke the program altogether. they have done it before.
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