Where to start...once upon a time almost a year ago today... (I'm going to use real first names, because she wants this story heard and I cannot blame her)
Oct 9th 2009, my sister in law Lora was sitting down with her boyfriend Matt having some pizza and watching a movie. They hear a horrific scream from her at the time 1 year old daughters (Lillian) room. She picks her up and she stops crying as if nothing is wrong at all. She sits her down again, lillian lays down, quite as she always is. A few minutes later screaming ensues again. Same thing, they rush back in, Lillian is turned over this time, and they notice her leg is oddly out of place, Lora touches it gently and that same scream ensues and so at that point they take her to the ER.
Oct 10th 2009, the family begins to hear rumors that Matt has been beating lora and beating Lillian and Lora's other Daughter Maddy. Rightly so, we're all pissed. We're all confused.
Oct 11th 2009, finally lora is able to talk to us. The stuff about matt, false. After they had taken Lillian in to the ER the staff alerty the sheriff of Valley NE, and thus began the relentless questioning to them both about what has happened to Lillian and how she has a broken leg and upon more x-rays shows tiny fractures in the shoulder and skull and arm.
Lora informs us they kept matt and lora in separate rooms for nearly 2 hours. They lied to lora and tried to get her to admit that they know matt was beating her and the children and he had already confessed. Lora is pretty bright, so she straight up told them sorry, your lying.
While in the other corner this entire time they had been doing the same thing to Matt except bagering him about how he needs to confess. So he told them 'So if I admit I have been hurting lora and her children you'll let her have her kids back" They said yes. He stood up held up his hands and said Ok officer cuff me. Of course knowing that, that isnt going to work, they said "well now matt, you you can't just go confessing to something if you know you didn't do it" and matt replied "Then stop fing around here and let us go."
They tried telling matt that lora had admitted being out of the house for nearly 45 mins to go get the pizza, and matt had said "well officer, that's really strange considering our local casey's is only 5 mins from here and it had not even taken 45 mins to get ready for us."
Lora had explained to every nurse, doctor, and officer that Lillian at 6 months had a rare form of Leukemia that is normally only found in men over the age of 65. So for about 3 months after Lillian has been on chemo, and since has been in remission thankfully. However due to the chemo , her doctors in omaha ne had forewarned lora that Lillian could have brittle bones due to the age at which she had to have chemo.
This was not sufficient enough to believe but they could not keep them there.
Oct 9th, 2009, Valley police temp remove matt from lora and her kids, they let them go home for the time being. Matt is not allowed to be around lora.... However lillian is still in the hospital recovering.
Fast forward to...
Oct 20nd 2009, Valley police have already let matt go, and have stated there was not enough evidence to support domestic abuse and all charges were dropped..
Oct 22nd, the real pain begins. Douglas County Child Protective Services Steps in and advises lora and matt that the Douglass County Prosecutors office has taken over the case. (Which they can do, valley is in this county)
Oct 23rd, while lora was running some errands and visiting lillian in the hospital, she was called and informed that Maddy her now 5 year old has been taken from school by the police (this was her birthday as well), and lillian has been given custody to her nearest realtive (either me and my wife or her aunt and uncle) While maddy is given to her biological father.
Ok time line over with.
For about 2 months since oct 2009 they had been with her retired aunt and uncle while they build a case against them. Lora hires a lawyer as does matt during this time. The first court hearing which was in I believe december 2009 they said the children could not be with lora or matt unless supervised. No charges brought to the table just yet. This is just from CPS intervening.
Flash forward to feb 2010, lora's aunt and uncle literally out of no where give lora a week to sort out a new home for lillian because they can't handle them (total bs they are friggin loaded btw and could easily hire someone to help not to mention our other sister in law was helping every day), My wife and I frantically tried to get approved by they had wrote our number down wrong and could not get a hold of us, they did later on and we were approved but it had been too late Lillian was moved to a temp foster home, then to her biological father's mothers house. She's been there sense.
Should mention, at this point lora is pregnant with another child to come, Ryan who will be born in just a few months.
So since feb, there was suppose to be a HARD re-unification date of 08/02/10. Lora has had to take parenting classes as did Matt. Matt has since that class been released from all wrong doing. CPS focuses itself on Lora full steam.
Lora has had to go through two pysch evaluations, as CPS has deemed her not fit to take care of her children at this point in the time line here
Up to the date of 08/02/10 CPS had been trying to get Lora to admit to neglect and they would let her have her children. Lora refused. Lora's Laywer advised her this is just a tactic because they know they have no case.
In july Based on, they feel it is medical neglect and because they cannot verify where the fractures came from, they want to move to charge her with this later on.
As the days grew closer to 08/02/10, lora had found in the initial report, a report done between multiple parties to get an overall evaluation of the accused from relatives friends ect prior to going to cps, on the first page there was a string of scienfic words that lora didn't know what they were and this was as reported by the CPS chosen doctor.
the funky word in a nut shell was describing brittle bones as a result of chemo therapy treatment. Slam dunk right?, just to be certain of this, they had two doctors who locally had been working with lillian from the beginning and a world reknown doctor from a cancer research center in denver co, to come verify this.
---08/01/10 came---
Despite having concrete evidence that this was not loras fault and she would have had no way of knowing that lillian had fractures in the other parts of her body, CPS pushed to have that date moved to 12/01/10.
There was a follow up court hearing is sept just a few weeks ago, and CPS is trying to push to have children permanently taken away, have her charged with child abuse, and take away Ryan, who was just born earlier in the month.
During this hearing they also stated that they still don't know where the fractures came from even though that has been stated previously, and that a mystery "family member" came forward and said that lora has anger issues.
We all know which family member it was. However when lora called her to plead to her to tell them she didn't say that she said lora can have her laywer call her. This sister that had been talking to Lillian's bio/father's mother alot about the case mentioned it in passing, however Her view of Lora has never been unbiased.
So at the follow up to that court date, a bunch of friends and family wrote letters of credibility in defense of lora but this one sister would not confirm to deny what was said and with CPS if you don't deny it, its as good as evidence.
They ordered lora to take another pysch evulation one by a random doctor and then one chosen by the CPS doctor, she passes them all with flying colors.
However as a beacon of hope in this mess, the judge said point blank to CPS that they cannot keep two of the three children out of the home. Either take them all or give them back and to start providing new facts for this case or he will have to close it.
So that's where we are.
Things that have been witnessed and/or factual 100%
- We now Lillians dad has had history of anger issues, private or public, we've all seen him get angry.
- The same sister that had said something bad about lora is also a nurse, and lora, and lora's mom while one day at the hospital while lillian was getting treatments, Lillians dad had mentioned that he had a trip with his father that weekend, and lora had said he might have to cancel because of lillian and he burst out in a cursing fit, advising her to stay the *f* out of his business.
- Three doctors have confirmed it is not abuse, it is brittle bones, lora had no way of know about the fractures.
-Testimonies for the accused for good character
- Lora has passed three pysch evals by three different drs and 1 by the cps doctor
- matt has passed 2 pysch evals
- Maddy has no signs of abuse and has stated that she has never been hurt by her mother or father or matt.
- lilian's dad has never paid his child support he was suppose to and until this chld abuse thing hit had no part in his daughters life.
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Things that do not have 100% proof but were relayed to us
- Other sister in law who was helping take care of lillian had to pick up lillian and needed to make sure there was a car seat available she had to call lillians dad to make she he dropped of her stuff, he told her to *f off c**** so she called his mom, she made him bring up the stuff. a few mins later he calls her back and says "listen c*** don't ever call my family again who**"
- after this Jill (thats who was in the above post there) called the social worker on the case and says she was told it doesn't matter what the father said he is getting the children.
CPS has taken my sister in laws kids away based on a cancer ridden 1 year olds previous chemo tharpy given brittle bones and accusing of abuse despite a mountain of evidence that would surpass the OJ trials.
I have to say I admire my sister in law for hanging in there, a lesser person would have probably snapped.
As a father of two little girls, one who has a rare condition, this story makes me sick. Our tax dollars are being wasted when common sense could just rule the day. You and your family have my blessing here. I wish you all the best of luck, and most of all, I hope all goes well for the children.
In summation.....Star Trek wins a prolonged naval battle against superior, yet less technologically advanced, numbers, with Picard leading the assault, while Kirk takes your soul by laying out Solo and probably his manservant Chewy as well, before impregnating and ditching your Princess.
Good luck to your family. The CPS folk can be real bastards, and it is always a hard fight. I've seen them intervene in some truly ☺☺☺☺ed up circumstances, that helped out some kids. But most of my exposure with them has been one example after another of horrendous abuses of authority, such as this case.
Just want to clarify while it is my family, this is my sister in law who has three different kids three different dads (which I forgot to mention cps did try to use this as a reason to bash lora's character) but at least maddy's dad is respectful, lillians dad is garbage.
Just want to clarify while it is my family, this is my sister in law who has three different kids three different dads (which I forgot to mention cps did try to use this as a reason to bash lora's character) but at least maddy's dad is respectful, lillians dad is garbage.
Oh those ☺☺☺☺s and whores with all their mens. Don't they know women are supposed to be chaste? /sarcasm
That is not a justifiable reason to take away someone's children. I hope Lora and Matt pull through this alright.
I know the people in CPS mean well and are really working hard to make bad situations better, but I also know how jaded and untrusting they can become - kinda have to be to survive in that field. My ex is a lawyer for CPS in Denver and the stories she's told made me sick to my stomach. By the time she is involved a lot of those kids have already died from the abuse and when she does "win" in court she wants to kill herself.
All I can say is that you need to make sure you have a good lawyer and make sure everyone in your family acts with 100% transparency until it all blows over. Please understand I am not saying that anyone has done anything wrong, but once the system gets involved you are screwed.
I know the people in CPS mean well and are really working hard to make bad situations better, but I also know how jaded and untrusting they can become - kinda have to be to survive in that field. My ex is a lawyer for CPS in Denver and the stories she's told made me sick to my stomach. By the time she is involved a lot of those kids have already died from the abuse and when she does "win" in court she wants to kill herself.
All I can say is that you need to make sure you have a good lawyer and make sure everyone in your family acts with 100% transparency until it all blows over. Please understand I am not saying that anyone has done anything wrong, but once the system gets involved you are screwed.
Good luck.
I know exactly what you mean, what really sucks is, they are wasting time on this case and could be using those resources for real cases that need the attention and lora is crystal clear on behaving 100%. CPS will use just about ANYTHING to hold out a case.
I know exactly what you mean, what really sucks is, they are wasting time on this case and could be using those resources for real cases that need the attention and lora is crystal clear on behaving 100%. CPS will use just about ANYTHING to hold out a case.
Unfortunately, their job is to never give up. I don't know if it's the fear of letting one through the cracks or the fear of being sued, but they can get tunnel vision so bad.
Unfortunately, their job is to never give up. I don't know if it's the fear of letting one through the cracks or the fear of being sued, but they can get tunnel vision so bad.
I guess I just want to know at what point will they just realize you know, this has gone to far. Or will they ever do that? Do these things usually end up with judge stepping in and saying, listen you clearly got nothing on this, hammer down. Next.
I guess I just want to know at what point will they just realize you know, this has gone to far. Or will they ever do that? Do these things usually end up with judge stepping in and saying, listen you clearly got nothing on this, hammer down. Next.
From what I've seen, yes, they have to be told to back off by a legal authority.
Tunnel vision seems an apt description for cases like this. It looks like it should be open and shut from the outside, but for some reason it isn't. I wonder how many of the real horror stories you can deal with before the idea that people can be good fades away.
That is what your lawyer is for. If your lawyer isn't doing that, then you better call Saul. If you don't have proper counsel then there's not much you can do as far as I know.
CPS are like well trained pitbulls in their focus. Once they got you, they aren't going to let go for about anything. I have the utmost respect for them because of that, but when you are the horse with a pitbull on your neck it sucks.
CPS has a well established history of this kind of behavior, because A)they know that they will never be held responsible for it in any long term sense and B)they have adopted the 'better safe than sorry' mentality to the utmost extreme.
With levels of patience that are seemingly impossible, you can beat them. Of course, this will result in people being forever jaded, but CPS doesn't, and will never, care.
Wow. That sucks. Cases like these are always really messy because they end up being he said, she said battles. Unfortunately the courts become the battleground for grudges by petty people who make up stories. They all have to be pursued, and the courts are generally prejudiced against the guy, except in the cases of women with multiple baby daddies.
Which is why you should always use at least two forms of protection.
Wow. That sucks. Cases like these are always really messy because they end up being he said, she said battles. Unfortunately the courts become the battleground for grudges by petty people who make up stories. They all have to be pursued, and the courts are generally prejudiced against the guy, except in the cases of women with multiple baby daddies.
Which is why you should always use at least two forms of protection.
Well I agree with this part.
I've been the kid being forgot over by the parents who don't care about if the kid gets put in the middle as long as they hurt the other parent.
It's sucky, I can't even imagine how bad it is if CPS is involved.
This is the ☺☺☺☺est thing I have heard in a while.
Find an aggressive lawyer that will work the case pro bono, otherwise the fees are going to rape the family. Also, networking with other people or organizations that deal with such cases is key. Too bad the child wasn't older, sometimes kids in those cases can really screw with CPS legally themselves with advocates.
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More bad news. Lora went in again today and was told by the judge that she is in "denial", all of the visitation visits since they took her children away, and all the pysch evals from all the doctors which she passed just fine, from what it sounds have been, or they want to to be, rendered useless. I told her she needs to get a more aggressive lawyer on this.
I am wondering if they do conclude that she's guilty or whatever, isn't there more she can do? Like going above the county level, like the state and then federal?
More bad news. Lora went in again today and was told by the judge that she is in "denial", all of the visitation visits since they took her children away, and all the pysch evals from all the doctors which she passed just fine, from what it sounds have been, or they want to to be, rendered useless. I told her she needs to get a more aggressive lawyer on this.
I am wondering if they do conclude that she's guilty or whatever, isn't there more she can do? Like going above the county level, like the state and then federal?
She has one. It was recommended to her by a lawyer who deals with fighting cps, that lawyer however is representing matt and I guess its a conflict of interest. They had advised lora to hold of the divorce from her ex (lillians dad) until this is all done but they have gotten the go ahead to complete it, and I don't know what that does for them but one assume she would legally be able to marry matt and that lawyer can represent them as a family. Not sure though.
I don't think her lawyer is doing a great job, she's criminal defense lawyer so I don't know how much she actually knows about what is going on here.
Just an update, after now years of being taken away, things were looking better, the judge was getting fed up with the new baby being in the home and the others not, and cps needed to wrap this up.
This week, her 6 month old the new baby, was at her bf's sister's house (matt's sister) and she was watching her child (4-5 years old I think) and maddy.
She left the baby in the same room as them for a moment to make food for the baby and she came back in to hear the baby screaming the the children were fighting over hil like a doll. Yeah imagine the worst, little 6 month old being pulled back and forth like a doll.
Needless to say, the baby has some broken bones, and guess who pays the price for it..
Lora, they took him away too.
The story has been verified by all parties but apparently it doesn't matter. CPS only cares that this baby is hurt, it's lora's kid and they want to try and compare lillian's injuries to his. Which is bogus because lillian's injuries are from cancer not from moron children and poor supervision.
I am sure matt's sister will lose her children over this as well.
Lillian has been confirmed by multiple doctors her breaks are from her cancer. not abuse.
Period. CPS is morons on that one.
Maddy the older daughter is perfectly fine, no abuse at all. Well other than her antics with the 6 month old.. which brings me too.
the 6 month old. Yes there is abuse. Not from lora, not from matt. This happened in the care of matt's sister and the two children pulling him around like a rag doll. If anything they should be asking matt's sister what is going on. No lying here, this has been confirmed FROM statements from cps and police from matt's sister. No one in there right mind is going to tell cps YES i allowed his baby to get hurt, please take my children, to protect a child abuser.
So no, cps is not doing there jobs and not doing it well at all.
CPS is a joke and do not work on the behalf of families. Ever.
Also.. after re-reading your post 2-3 times..
Well, when this guy is a world-renowned doctor like the one that said Lily's broken bones came from her cancer and not abuse, then I'll take your opinion into consideration. Also, Lily didn't cry because she was on morphine. My son, Elijah didn't cry when he had a broken arm, either. And I fail to see what "suspicious circumstances" means in relation to "his sister pulled on it too hard."
I don't think it matters whether your family thinks they are doing a good job or not - the kid isn't being cared for the way she needs to be. I've been watching this since you posted it months ago and occasionally I look at my boys and think about your (sister's) situation.
I think the problem is is that the state sees your sister as abusive and I see her as incapable of protecting her child. It's not overt abuse, but she has a special needs child and she isn't being cared for appropriately. It's an uncomfortable and grey area to me though. This recent story makes me think the state might be right. Just because there isn't abuse doesn't mean that there is NOT negligence - which are often the same thing in the eyes of the law/state.
Let me refresh a bit here. First it's my sister-in-law. Second, this is the issue we have with CPS hence the title it is a horror story because CPS is wrong. Just wrong.
You are saying its ok for cps to remove her children based on:
1. Injuries due to cancer. They tried to pin medical neglect, but how can you? You can't see brittle bones, the kid was on morphine so she really wasn't feel much for pain until it was gone. She did what anyone would do if there kid is screaming like a maniac, you take them to the ER, so she did, and got burnt for it. She was called an abuser. Sorry but in my world Doctors > mid management cps cronies when it comes to what abuse injuries are and how they happened.
2. Maddy has been through evals just like her mother. She comes out clean. So either the state refuses to believe maddy has a problem or maddy really isn't mentally ill. Either way as far as the states concerned she isn't being abused.
3. Lora still has to have a life here people. She still needs to be able to work, AND pay for the lawyer because the dead beat father of lillian has been out of her life since they separated, lillian stays with his mom, because he's on the road as a trucker. Before this he paid child support. Now he doesn't so its in his best interest to put Lora through hell, because a. he hates lora, b, no more child support. With that, lora has to get people to watch the baby so how is she to know that the people she should be able to trust (the baby's fathers sister) can watch them for a few hours with out the baby getting killed.
Please advise me how this is lora's fault. Don't forget CPS approved all these people before lora is allowed to leave the children with them.
Don't forget this all started because CPS chose to involve themselves and continue to involve themselves even after doctors have came to lora's side. Before this, she was fine, she was a stay a home mom, with a loving BF, the kids were loved and cared for.
Now because of CPS screw up and arrogance because they can't "lose a battle", they have:
Given one child to an older woman who barely should be in the care of a little child at this point. Lillian
Given one child to their father who in all actuality isn't a bad guy. But he agreed to let lora have maddy. They also robbed her of her 5th bday party, so she can remember the day she was taken away from her mom, given to a stranger, back to her dad, back to a strange then back to her dad again and she can only see her mom here and there. So if she is screwed up, I'm not shocked at this point.
And now taken one away based on the mistakes of someone else.
Maybe some people have never experience just how crooked CPS is. There is no innocent with CPS, YOU ARE GUILTY, until a lawyer can fight for you.
I do not see lora as abusive or negligent. I do see her has a young mother, who had children far to earlier, but other than ass holes assuming, rather than looking at facts we now have a wrecked family.
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Oct 9th 2009, my sister in law Lora was sitting down with her boyfriend Matt having some pizza and watching a movie. They hear a horrific scream from her at the time 1 year old daughters (Lillian) room. She picks her up and she stops crying as if nothing is wrong at all. She sits her down again, lillian lays down, quite as she always is. A few minutes later screaming ensues again. Same thing, they rush back in, Lillian is turned over this time, and they notice her leg is oddly out of place, Lora touches it gently and that same scream ensues and so at that point they take her to the ER.
Oct 10th 2009, the family begins to hear rumors that Matt has been beating lora and beating Lillian and Lora's other Daughter Maddy. Rightly so, we're all pissed. We're all confused.
Oct 11th 2009, finally lora is able to talk to us. The stuff about matt, false. After they had taken Lillian in to the ER the staff alerty the sheriff of Valley NE, and thus began the relentless questioning to them both about what has happened to Lillian and how she has a broken leg and upon more x-rays shows tiny fractures in the shoulder and skull and arm.
Lora informs us they kept matt and lora in separate rooms for nearly 2 hours. They lied to lora and tried to get her to admit that they know matt was beating her and the children and he had already confessed. Lora is pretty bright, so she straight up told them sorry, your lying.
While in the other corner this entire time they had been doing the same thing to Matt except bagering him about how he needs to confess. So he told them 'So if I admit I have been hurting lora and her children you'll let her have her kids back" They said yes. He stood up held up his hands and said Ok officer cuff me. Of course knowing that, that isnt going to work, they said "well now matt, you you can't just go confessing to something if you know you didn't do it" and matt replied "Then stop fing around here and let us go."
They tried telling matt that lora had admitted being out of the house for nearly 45 mins to go get the pizza, and matt had said "well officer, that's really strange considering our local casey's is only 5 mins from here and it had not even taken 45 mins to get ready for us."
Lora had explained to every nurse, doctor, and officer that Lillian at 6 months had a rare form of Leukemia that is normally only found in men over the age of 65. So for about 3 months after Lillian has been on chemo, and since has been in remission thankfully. However due to the chemo , her doctors in omaha ne had forewarned lora that Lillian could have brittle bones due to the age at which she had to have chemo.
This was not sufficient enough to believe but they could not keep them there.
Oct 9th, 2009, Valley police temp remove matt from lora and her kids, they let them go home for the time being. Matt is not allowed to be around lora.... However lillian is still in the hospital recovering.
Fast forward to...
Oct 20nd 2009, Valley police have already let matt go, and have stated there was not enough evidence to support domestic abuse and all charges were dropped..
Oct 22nd, the real pain begins. Douglas County Child Protective Services Steps in and advises lora and matt that the Douglass County Prosecutors office has taken over the case. (Which they can do, valley is in this county)
Oct 23rd, while lora was running some errands and visiting lillian in the hospital, she was called and informed that Maddy her now 5 year old has been taken from school by the police (this was her birthday as well), and lillian has been given custody to her nearest realtive (either me and my wife or her aunt and uncle) While maddy is given to her biological father.
Ok time line over with.
For about 2 months since oct 2009 they had been with her retired aunt and uncle while they build a case against them. Lora hires a lawyer as does matt during this time. The first court hearing which was in I believe december 2009 they said the children could not be with lora or matt unless supervised. No charges brought to the table just yet. This is just from CPS intervening.
Flash forward to feb 2010, lora's aunt and uncle literally out of no where give lora a week to sort out a new home for lillian because they can't handle them (total bs they are friggin loaded btw and could easily hire someone to help not to mention our other sister in law was helping every day), My wife and I frantically tried to get approved by they had wrote our number down wrong and could not get a hold of us, they did later on and we were approved but it had been too late Lillian was moved to a temp foster home, then to her biological father's mothers house. She's been there sense.
Should mention, at this point lora is pregnant with another child to come, Ryan who will be born in just a few months.
So since feb, there was suppose to be a HARD re-unification date of 08/02/10. Lora has had to take parenting classes as did Matt. Matt has since that class been released from all wrong doing. CPS focuses itself on Lora full steam.
Lora has had to go through two pysch evaluations, as CPS has deemed her not fit to take care of her children at this point in the time line here
Up to the date of 08/02/10 CPS had been trying to get Lora to admit to neglect and they would let her have her children. Lora refused. Lora's Laywer advised her this is just a tactic because they know they have no case.
In july Based on, they feel it is medical neglect and because they cannot verify where the fractures came from, they want to move to charge her with this later on.
As the days grew closer to 08/02/10, lora had found in the initial report, a report done between multiple parties to get an overall evaluation of the accused from relatives friends ect prior to going to cps, on the first page there was a string of scienfic words that lora didn't know what they were and this was as reported by the CPS chosen doctor.
the funky word in a nut shell was describing brittle bones as a result of chemo therapy treatment. Slam dunk right?, just to be certain of this, they had two doctors who locally had been working with lillian from the beginning and a world reknown doctor from a cancer research center in denver co, to come verify this.
---08/01/10 came---
Despite having concrete evidence that this was not loras fault and she would have had no way of knowing that lillian had fractures in the other parts of her body, CPS pushed to have that date moved to 12/01/10.
There was a follow up court hearing is sept just a few weeks ago, and CPS is trying to push to have children permanently taken away, have her charged with child abuse, and take away Ryan, who was just born earlier in the month.
During this hearing they also stated that they still don't know where the fractures came from even though that has been stated previously, and that a mystery "family member" came forward and said that lora has anger issues.
We all know which family member it was. However when lora called her to plead to her to tell them she didn't say that she said lora can have her laywer call her. This sister that had been talking to Lillian's bio/father's mother alot about the case mentioned it in passing, however Her view of Lora has never been unbiased.
So at the follow up to that court date, a bunch of friends and family wrote letters of credibility in defense of lora but this one sister would not confirm to deny what was said and with CPS if you don't deny it, its as good as evidence.
They ordered lora to take another pysch evulation one by a random doctor and then one chosen by the CPS doctor, she passes them all with flying colors.
However as a beacon of hope in this mess, the judge said point blank to CPS that they cannot keep two of the three children out of the home. Either take them all or give them back and to start providing new facts for this case or he will have to close it.
So that's where we are.
Things that have been witnessed and/or factual 100%
- We now Lillians dad has had history of anger issues, private or public, we've all seen him get angry.
- The same sister that had said something bad about lora is also a nurse, and lora, and lora's mom while one day at the hospital while lillian was getting treatments, Lillians dad had mentioned that he had a trip with his father that weekend, and lora had said he might have to cancel because of lillian and he burst out in a cursing fit, advising her to stay the *f* out of his business.
- Three doctors have confirmed it is not abuse, it is brittle bones, lora had no way of know about the fractures.
-Testimonies for the accused for good character
- Lora has passed three pysch evals by three different drs and 1 by the cps doctor
- matt has passed 2 pysch evals
- Maddy has no signs of abuse and has stated that she has never been hurt by her mother or father or matt.
- lilian's dad has never paid his child support he was suppose to and until this chld abuse thing hit had no part in his daughters life.
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Things that do not have 100% proof but were relayed to us
- Other sister in law who was helping take care of lillian had to pick up lillian and needed to make sure there was a car seat available she had to call lillians dad to make she he dropped of her stuff, he told her to *f off c**** so she called his mom, she made him bring up the stuff. a few mins later he calls her back and says "listen c*** don't ever call my family again who**"
- after this Jill (thats who was in the above post there) called the social worker on the case and says she was told it doesn't matter what the father said he is getting the children.
CPS has taken my sister in laws kids away based on a cancer ridden 1 year olds previous chemo tharpy given brittle bones and accusing of abuse despite a mountain of evidence that would surpass the OJ trials.
I have to say I admire my sister in law for hanging in there, a lesser person would have probably snapped.
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That is not a justifiable reason to take away someone's children. I hope Lora and Matt pull through this alright.
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All I can say is that you need to make sure you have a good lawyer and make sure everyone in your family acts with 100% transparency until it all blows over. Please understand I am not saying that anyone has done anything wrong, but once the system gets involved you are screwed.
Good luck.
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I know exactly what you mean, what really sucks is, they are wasting time on this case and could be using those resources for real cases that need the attention and lora is crystal clear on behaving 100%. CPS will use just about ANYTHING to hold out a case.
Unfortunately, their job is to never give up. I don't know if it's the fear of letting one through the cracks or the fear of being sued, but they can get tunnel vision so bad.
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I guess I just want to know at what point will they just realize you know, this has gone to far. Or will they ever do that? Do these things usually end up with judge stepping in and saying, listen you clearly got nothing on this, hammer down. Next.
From what I've seen, yes, they have to be told to back off by a legal authority.
Tunnel vision seems an apt description for cases like this. It looks like it should be open and shut from the outside, but for some reason it isn't. I wonder how many of the real horror stories you can deal with before the idea that people can be good fades away.
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CPS are like well trained pitbulls in their focus. Once they got you, they aren't going to let go for about anything. I have the utmost respect for them because of that, but when you are the horse with a pitbull on your neck it sucks.
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With levels of patience that are seemingly impossible, you can beat them. Of course, this will result in people being forever jaded, but CPS doesn't, and will never, care.
Which is why you should always use at least two forms of protection.
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Well I agree with this part.
I've been the kid being forgot over by the parents who don't care about if the kid gets put in the middle as long as they hurt the other parent.
It's sucky, I can't even imagine how bad it is if CPS is involved.
This is the ☺☺☺☺est thing I have heard in a while.
I never do this but I'll pray for your family.
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I am wondering if they do conclude that she's guilty or whatever, isn't there more she can do? Like going above the county level, like the state and then federal?
LAWYER.
(Really that is your only option for any of this)
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I don't think her lawyer is doing a great job, she's criminal defense lawyer so I don't know how much she actually knows about what is going on here.
This week, her 6 month old the new baby, was at her bf's sister's house (matt's sister) and she was watching her child (4-5 years old I think) and maddy.
She left the baby in the same room as them for a moment to make food for the baby and she came back in to hear the baby screaming the the children were fighting over hil like a doll. Yeah imagine the worst, little 6 month old being pulled back and forth like a doll.
Needless to say, the baby has some broken bones, and guess who pays the price for it..
Lora, they took him away too.
The story has been verified by all parties but apparently it doesn't matter. CPS only cares that this baby is hurt, it's lora's kid and they want to try and compare lillian's injuries to his. Which is bogus because lillian's injuries are from cancer not from moron children and poor supervision.
I am sure matt's sister will lose her children over this as well.
Lillian has been confirmed by multiple doctors her breaks are from her cancer. not abuse.
Period. CPS is morons on that one.
Maddy the older daughter is perfectly fine, no abuse at all. Well other than her antics with the 6 month old.. which brings me too.
the 6 month old. Yes there is abuse. Not from lora, not from matt. This happened in the care of matt's sister and the two children pulling him around like a rag doll. If anything they should be asking matt's sister what is going on. No lying here, this has been confirmed FROM statements from cps and police from matt's sister. No one in there right mind is going to tell cps YES i allowed his baby to get hurt, please take my children, to protect a child abuser.
So no, cps is not doing there jobs and not doing it well at all.
CPS is a joke and do not work on the behalf of families. Ever.
Also.. after re-reading your post 2-3 times..
Well, when this guy is a world-renowned doctor like the one that said Lily's broken bones came from her cancer and not abuse, then I'll take your opinion into consideration. Also, Lily didn't cry because she was on morphine. My son, Elijah didn't cry when he had a broken arm, either. And I fail to see what "suspicious circumstances" means in relation to "his sister pulled on it too hard."
I think the problem is is that the state sees your sister as abusive and I see her as incapable of protecting her child. It's not overt abuse, but she has a special needs child and she isn't being cared for appropriately. It's an uncomfortable and grey area to me though. This recent story makes me think the state might be right. Just because there isn't abuse doesn't mean that there is NOT negligence - which are often the same thing in the eyes of the law/state.
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You are saying its ok for cps to remove her children based on:
1. Injuries due to cancer. They tried to pin medical neglect, but how can you? You can't see brittle bones, the kid was on morphine so she really wasn't feel much for pain until it was gone. She did what anyone would do if there kid is screaming like a maniac, you take them to the ER, so she did, and got burnt for it. She was called an abuser. Sorry but in my world Doctors > mid management cps cronies when it comes to what abuse injuries are and how they happened.
2. Maddy has been through evals just like her mother. She comes out clean. So either the state refuses to believe maddy has a problem or maddy really isn't mentally ill. Either way as far as the states concerned she isn't being abused.
3. Lora still has to have a life here people. She still needs to be able to work, AND pay for the lawyer because the dead beat father of lillian has been out of her life since they separated, lillian stays with his mom, because he's on the road as a trucker. Before this he paid child support. Now he doesn't so its in his best interest to put Lora through hell, because a. he hates lora, b, no more child support. With that, lora has to get people to watch the baby so how is she to know that the people she should be able to trust (the baby's fathers sister) can watch them for a few hours with out the baby getting killed.
Please advise me how this is lora's fault. Don't forget CPS approved all these people before lora is allowed to leave the children with them.
Don't forget this all started because CPS chose to involve themselves and continue to involve themselves even after doctors have came to lora's side. Before this, she was fine, she was a stay a home mom, with a loving BF, the kids were loved and cared for.
Now because of CPS screw up and arrogance because they can't "lose a battle", they have:
Given one child to an older woman who barely should be in the care of a little child at this point. Lillian
Given one child to their father who in all actuality isn't a bad guy. But he agreed to let lora have maddy. They also robbed her of her 5th bday party, so she can remember the day she was taken away from her mom, given to a stranger, back to her dad, back to a strange then back to her dad again and she can only see her mom here and there. So if she is screwed up, I'm not shocked at this point.
And now taken one away based on the mistakes of someone else.
Maybe some people have never experience just how crooked CPS is. There is no innocent with CPS, YOU ARE GUILTY, until a lawyer can fight for you.
I do not see lora as abusive or negligent. I do see her has a young mother, who had children far to earlier, but other than ass holes assuming, rather than looking at facts we now have a wrecked family.