Pros:
-Setting and tone is PERFECT.
-Atwell is fantastic in her lead role,
-Jarvis and Carter make an interesting pair
-I expect great things from Enver Gjokaj
-Ray Wise is always welcome
-Iron Man 2/Whiplash tie-in
-Nice change of pace with a female lead in an action oriented show
-Carter telling Gjokaj (Agent Susan???) that she can defend herself from sexist co-workers was a nice touch
Cons:
- The pro-feminist message suffers from the strong woman = dumb/incompetent men syndrome.
Overall, strong start. Hopefully stronger than Agents of Shield's first season half.
I really liked it. It managed to have more heart and charm than most of the first season of Agents of Shield. Wife and I will be watching again. She only watches SHIELD because I like, but she is genuinely excited for the next Agent Carter.
Cons:
- The pro-feminist message suffers from the strong woman = dumb/incompetent men syndrome.
Overall, strong start. Hopefully stronger than Agents of Shield's first season half.
Really? With the exception of the one guy in their office, all the men on the show have been extremely competent. A bit boorish, yes, but with the Radio Program about 'Betty Carver' and a bunch of guys who've never seen her in action, can you blame them for thinking she got a good job because she was Cap's sweetheart?
Notice how their attitude toward her changes subtly when she takes down the guy at Roxxon.
Everything else isn't any worse than, say, Mad Men. You just don't realize it there as much because it isn't being romanticized here.
Plus, Mad Men has mostly male leads so the negative attitude isn't being done to people who the audience is meant to identify with. We're too busy thinking "oh man, I'd be so badass if I was Don Draper" and not so much "Man, I'd sleep with the boss so hard to maintain control of the other women if I was that one chick with the gigantic boobs"
Everything else isn't any worse than, say, Mad Men. You just don't realize it there as much because it isn't being romanticized here.
It's one of the reasons I don't like Mad Men, actually. God knows people really were crazy sexist back then, but the shows seem to have the male characters prioritizing the active belittlement of women, instead of just disregarding them as they get on with all the stuff they actually care about. Totally breaks my suspension of disbelief; I just hear the voice of the writers.
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I really liked it. It managed to have more heart and charm than most of the first season of Agents of Shield. Wife and I will be watching again. She only watches SHIELD because I like, but she is genuinely excited for the next Agent Carter.
Cons:
- The pro-feminist message suffers from the strong woman = dumb/incompetent men syndrome.
Overall, strong start. Hopefully stronger than Agents of Shield's first season half.
Really? With the exception of the one guy in their office, all the men on the show have been extremely competent. A bit boorish, yes, but with the Radio Program about 'Betty Carver' and a bunch of guys who've never seen her in action, can you blame them for thinking she got a good job because she was Cap's sweetheart?
Notice how their attitude toward her changes subtly when she takes down the guy at Roxxon.
Everything else isn't any worse than, say, Mad Men. You just don't realize it there as much because it isn't being romanticized here.
Well the Radio Program I really liked. It really showed how the public views its heroes and women while ignoring the reality of the Carter/Cap relationship. The Radio Program drove home both Carter's grief and the omnipresent sexism.
No, I don't blame them for thinking she only got the job because she was Cap's ex. However, she was very vocal around the office about the fact she knew and was friends with Stark. For that reason alone, the SSR should have had her close by. In fact, if they had tailed her, they would have found Stark almost immediately.
I didn't see them change that much after she took down the guy at Roxxon. I noticed a few surprised facial expressions, but then the chief tells her to leave the interrogation because delicate women shouldn't see a guy getting beat on.
I didn't see them change that much after she took down the guy at Roxxon. I noticed a few surprised facial expressions, but then the chief tells her to leave the interrogation because delicate women shouldn't see a guy getting beat on.
Yes, except all of a sudden they're involving her in the investigation rather than having her file or get coffee. She was no longer excluded from important meeting just because.
I didn't say it changed completely, just noticeably.
Pleasantly surprised when Dottie Underwood came back in the very first scenes.
Likewise, also surprised Ray Wise appeared again this season.
Setting and tone in LA is just as impressive as NY, but I expect Carter to back in New York before the season is over.
Is the Council connected to Hydra? Their logos are very similar.
Looks like SSR might be absorbed by SHIELD this season. Well, sooner rather than later.
Love triangles are boring to me, so I'm hoping they do something more with Violet than be someone that causes drama for Sousa/Carter. Although Carter and Violet seem to get along very well.
Jason Wilkes probably isn't dead. Whitney Frost survived and the two of them were side by the side when the blast went off. both characters are subject to racism/sexism, so if there's a parallel, it would be interesting to see how they each react to the zero matter incident.
Another season of quippy, action-packed period piece with classic cars and clothes and guns. Pure joy to watch.
It's beyond obvious that the Council is HYDRA, given the logo evolution that Fitz and Simmons discovered on Agents of SHIELD. Since the Council is sponsoring Thompson in New York now, we're probably going to see the beginning of the HYDRA infiltration of SHIELD this season.
I was pretty sure from the moment they were introduced that either Violet or Frost was a second Black Widow agent. And the ending of the episode makes me think Frost is something else yet to be determined, so yeah, calling it now: Violet's a Widow.
I was somewhat surprised to see Wilkes hitting on Carter so overtly and publicly. Isn't it really dangerous for him to be doing that? It's not like the show is ignoring the racism of the '40s. His characterization seemed a bit inconsistent here. At times he was almost autism-spectrum-level oblivious, but at other times he was really smooth and canny.
Even more surprised to actually see Mrs. Jarvis onscreen. But I suppose with Carter living as Stark's houseguest it would have been a bit of a strain to keep up that running gag. And her character is immediately a barrel of fun, so there's that. I'm going to miss Angie, though.
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I think the group is intended to be the Secret Empire, which they'll probably make part of Hydra in this. My issue is that Marvel has a TON of awesome evil societies, and we keep coming back to Hydra over and over. Where is the return of AIM? Where is Zodiac outside of the hints in the Agent Carter One-Shot? Where is Serpent Society? Leviathan?
Otherwise it was a lot of fun, but I hope after this season of Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter, we're 'done' with them.
Another season of quippy, action-packed period piece with classic cars and clothes and guns. Pure joy to watch.
It's beyond obvious that the Council is HYDRA, given the logo evolution that Fitz and Simmons discovered on Agents of SHIELD. Since the Council is sponsoring Thompson in New York now, we're probably going to see the beginning of the HYDRA infiltration of SHIELD this season.
I was pretty sure from the moment they were introduced that either Violet or Frost was a second Black Widow agent. And the ending of the episode makes me think Frost is something else yet to be determined, so yeah, calling it now: Violet's a Widow.
I was somewhat surprised to see Wilkes hitting on Carter so overtly and publicly. Isn't it really dangerous for him to be doing that? It's not like the show is ignoring the racism of the '40s. His characterization seemed a bit inconsistent here. At times he was almost autism-spectrum-level oblivious, but at other times he was really smooth and canny.
Even more surprised to actually see Mrs. Jarvis onscreen. But I suppose with Carter living as Stark's houseguest it would have been a bit of a strain to keep up that running gag. And her character is immediately a barrel of fun, so there's that. I'm going to miss Angie, though.
10 bucks says shes Madam Mask (Masque?)
I interpreted Wilkes as being all nerdy science guy more or less until her figured she wasn't like the rest with a dash of distracted scientist. Much better by episode 3
I think the group is intended to be the Secret Empire, which they'll probably make part of Hydra in this. My issue is that Marvel has a TON of awesome evil societies, and we keep coming back to Hydra over and over. Where is the return of AIM? Where is Zodiac outside of the hints in the Agent Carter One-Shot? Where is Serpent Society? Leviathan?
Otherwise it was a lot of fun, but I hope after this season of Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter, we're 'done' with them.
Isn't MCU AIM tied to IM3?
Otherwise I agree, but I don't know if Feige and Co trust the mainstream audience with more than 1 or 2 secret societies. I hope so, too, because if they show us the infiltration of shield then it makes no sense for them to battle Hydra publicly any longer
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Pros:
-Setting and tone is PERFECT.
-Atwell is fantastic in her lead role,
-Jarvis and Carter make an interesting pair
-I expect great things from Enver Gjokaj
-Ray Wise is always welcome
-Iron Man 2/Whiplash tie-in
-Nice change of pace with a female lead in an action oriented show
-Carter telling Gjokaj (Agent Susan???) that she can defend herself from sexist co-workers was a nice touch
Cons:
- The pro-feminist message suffers from the strong woman = dumb/incompetent men syndrome.
Overall, strong start. Hopefully stronger than Agents of Shield's first season half.
For the most part, yeah, but the blond agent seems pretty competent at least. I mean, he tortures prisoners, but he does so effectively.
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Really? With the exception of the one guy in their office, all the men on the show have been extremely competent. A bit boorish, yes, but with the Radio Program about 'Betty Carver' and a bunch of guys who've never seen her in action, can you blame them for thinking she got a good job because she was Cap's sweetheart?
Notice how their attitude toward her changes subtly when she takes down the guy at Roxxon.
Everything else isn't any worse than, say, Mad Men. You just don't realize it there as much because it isn't being romanticized here.
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Well the Radio Program I really liked. It really showed how the public views its heroes and women while ignoring the reality of the Carter/Cap relationship. The Radio Program drove home both Carter's grief and the omnipresent sexism.
No, I don't blame them for thinking she only got the job because she was Cap's ex. However, she was very vocal around the office about the fact she knew and was friends with Stark. For that reason alone, the SSR should have had her close by. In fact, if they had tailed her, they would have found Stark almost immediately.
I didn't see them change that much after she took down the guy at Roxxon. I noticed a few surprised facial expressions, but then the chief tells her to leave the interrogation because delicate women shouldn't see a guy getting beat on.
Yes, except all of a sudden they're involving her in the investigation rather than having her file or get coffee. She was no longer excluded from important meeting just because.
I didn't say it changed completely, just noticeably.
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I imagine they've actually just introduced Yelena Belova. Awesome.
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What did everyone else think?
I was pretty sure from the moment they were introduced that either Violet or Frost was a second Black Widow agent. And the ending of the episode makes me think Frost is something else yet to be determined, so yeah, calling it now: Violet's a Widow.
I was somewhat surprised to see Wilkes hitting on Carter so overtly and publicly. Isn't it really dangerous for him to be doing that? It's not like the show is ignoring the racism of the '40s. His characterization seemed a bit inconsistent here. At times he was almost autism-spectrum-level oblivious, but at other times he was really smooth and canny.
Even more surprised to actually see Mrs. Jarvis onscreen. But I suppose with Carter living as Stark's houseguest it would have been a bit of a strain to keep up that running gag. And her character is immediately a barrel of fun, so there's that. I'm going to miss Angie, though.
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Otherwise it was a lot of fun, but I hope after this season of Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter, we're 'done' with them.
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I interpreted Wilkes as being all nerdy science guy more or less until her figured she wasn't like the rest with a dash of distracted scientist. Much better by episode 3
Otherwise I agree, but I don't know if Feige and Co trust the mainstream audience with more than 1 or 2 secret societies. I hope so, too, because if they show us the infiltration of shield then it makes no sense for them to battle Hydra publicly any longer