Flashpoint deferred, at least, until next season. Based on the wave-off Barry got from his future self, I suspect we've really been in the "correct" timeline all along and Eobard Thawn unwittingly just created a stable time loop. But that would have to mean he didn't look up the date of Nora Allen's death... which actually makes sense, because it wasn't his original plan to kill her!
Everybody was way too sanguine about Barry deciding to erase their timeline from existence. Or was that not what they thought would happen?
I thought Eddie was going full Tommy Merlin, being the "other guy" who's surprisingly well developed and acted and whom you end up rooting for, but who gets killed in the season one finale. And he went out like a boss, even if he did get the idea from Joseph Gordon-Levitt. His getting swept into the vortex in the end, though, tells me we haven't seen the last of him.
Hawkgirl is apparently a Central City gal.
And... Jay Garrick?
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Flashpoint deferred, at least, until next season. Based on the wave-off Barry got from his future self, I suspect we've really been in the "correct" timeline all along and Eobard Thawn unwittingly just created a stable time loop. But that would have to mean he didn't look up the date of Nora Allen's death... which actually makes sense, because it wasn't his original plan to kill her!
Everybody was way too sanguine about Barry deciding to erase their timeline from existence. Or was that not what they thought would happen?
I thought Eddie was going full Tommy Merlin, being the "other guy" who's surprisingly well developed and acted and whom you end up rooting for, but who gets killed in the season one finale. And he went out like a boss, even if he did get the idea from Joseph Gordon-Levitt. His getting swept into the vortex in the end, though, tells me we haven't seen the last of him.
Hawkgirl is apparently a Central City gal.
And... Jay Garrick?
I expected Cisco to have powers in SOME capacity. He would eventually become Vibe, I figured, but I though he'd be tech-powered. Interesting that they made him a metahuman.
I actually turned to my wife as they were all saying goodbye and said "Uh... Are they all really okay with having their entire lives erased?"
And then... They're okay with risking the destruction of the planet, no matter what the odds, just to save one person? I mean, I guess Barry needed closure, but still. I expected there to be greater stakes. The wave-off was interesting, if not really explained all that well. Either the older Flash is from the same timeline as our Barry, which would mean that Eddie DOES come back in order for Eobard to be born, or he just knows that messing with the timeline can lead to disaster, and waves Barry off for that reason.
Otherwise it was interesting, although I'm kind of annoyed they stopped at the singularity.
Eddie was a pretty great character. I hope they bring him back in some capacity. And the Jay Garrick bit was interesting. I'm curious as to where they take that.
I missed the Jay Garrick reference. And was that a flash (so to speak) of Caitlin as Killer Frost as Barry was seeing bits of his past and future as he was running to make the wormhole? They've confirmed her fate in the media, and I was expecting bad things to happen to her when they were trying to shut down the generator.
And Eddie. Holy ****, Eddie. They genuinely caught me by surprise with that one. I expected we would get Flashpoint, and next season would be Cisco bouncing between timelines trying to fix the universe Barry broke. I didn't expect Barry to not change things, and I didn't expect Eddie to kill himself. In retrospect, I could see them planting the seeds in Eddie's conversation with Dr. Stein, but I never expected him to go all Noble Sacrifice.
Funniest line of the finale: Stein, to Ronnie: "Let's not fight on our wedding day."
Thawn's "signal to leave" was Garrick's helmet flying out of the Speed Force.
I wasn't expecting Barry to actually break the universe for more than the length of a single episode, if for no other reason than it would make life really hard for the Arrow writers. You can't pull a Fringe or Eureka in a shared universe.
...oh, wait, Eureka was in a shared universe. They just, like, didn't bother reconciling it.
Let's get one thing straight: Eddie's death leading to Eobard's erasure (but not the erasure of everything Eobard had done prior to that point and revision of the entire timeline) makes no sense logically. And if Eddie is going to come back to beget the line of Thawn, why did Eobard disappear in the first place? You just have to decide that Doctor Who rules apply and accept it as a badass move.
In Legends of Tomorrow info released there has been a character named Jay Something talked about with a connection to star labs. Its a description that could fit wally west pretty well, but it sounds a lot like what Abrams did with Kahn. Listing him as Jay Garrick in the promo material would be a giveaway and the helmet more than confirms it.
I was expecting him to break it, if for no other reason than to retcon the unbelievably saccharine arrow finale
Let's get one thing straight: Eddie's death leading to Eobard's erasure (but not the erasure of everything Eobard had done prior to that point and revision of the entire timeline) makes no sense logically. And if Eddie is going to come back to beget the line of Thawn, why did Eobard disappear in the first place? You just have to decide that Doctor Who rules apply and accept it as a badass move.
Agreed! I'm not really sure how Eobard disappears but the Universe he created still exists. I imagine, especially because they cast a Dr. Who alum as a time traveler, that they're going the timey-whimey route.
Although, I did think at first: "Wow, that's a paradox", and then the singularity reappeared... so maybe it's connected to that? I don't know, the writers have done what I thought was sloppy writing before and then it's connected neatly (like Cisco's powers).
Jonah Hex has been cast in Legends of Tomorrow, so I think he's in the regular Arrowverse timeline. Also, the cowboy didn't have the facial disfiguration. Unless it's an alternate unscarred Hex, but that seems like a weird thing to throw into the scene.
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Okay, so we ARE looking at the 90's Flash being canon, now, in an alternate universe. I love it. Make that Earth Four, along with the following from the Legends thread:
What's nice is it now makes five TV Series in DC's TV Multiverse, with Arrow and Constantine on Earth One, Flash and Legends moving around Earth One's timeline, and Flash crossing into Earth Two and now what I'll call Earth Three (Supergirl), and Supergirl taking place in Earth Three.
Flashpoint deferred, at least, until next season. Based on the wave-off Barry got from his future self, I suspect we've really been in the "correct" timeline all along and Eobard Thawn unwittingly just created a stable time loop. But that would have to mean he didn't look up the date of Nora Allen's death... which actually makes sense, because it wasn't his original plan to kill her!
Everybody was way too sanguine about Barry deciding to erase their timeline from existence. Or was that not what they thought would happen?
I thought Eddie was going full Tommy Merlin, being the "other guy" who's surprisingly well developed and acted and whom you end up rooting for, but who gets killed in the season one finale. And he went out like a boss, even if he did get the idea from Joseph Gordon-Levitt. His getting swept into the vortex in the end, though, tells me we haven't seen the last of him.
Hawkgirl is apparently a Central City gal.
And... Jay Garrick?
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
I actually turned to my wife as they were all saying goodbye and said "Uh... Are they all really okay with having their entire lives erased?"
And then... They're okay with risking the destruction of the planet, no matter what the odds, just to save one person? I mean, I guess Barry needed closure, but still. I expected there to be greater stakes. The wave-off was interesting, if not really explained all that well. Either the older Flash is from the same timeline as our Barry, which would mean that Eddie DOES come back in order for Eobard to be born, or he just knows that messing with the timeline can lead to disaster, and waves Barry off for that reason.
Otherwise it was interesting, although I'm kind of annoyed they stopped at the singularity.
Eddie was a pretty great character. I hope they bring him back in some capacity. And the Jay Garrick bit was interesting. I'm curious as to where they take that.
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And Eddie. Holy ****, Eddie. They genuinely caught me by surprise with that one. I expected we would get Flashpoint, and next season would be Cisco bouncing between timelines trying to fix the universe Barry broke. I didn't expect Barry to not change things, and I didn't expect Eddie to kill himself. In retrospect, I could see them planting the seeds in Eddie's conversation with Dr. Stein, but I never expected him to go all Noble Sacrifice.
Funniest line of the finale: Stein, to Ronnie: "Let's not fight on our wedding day."
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I wasn't expecting Barry to actually break the universe for more than the length of a single episode, if for no other reason than it would make life really hard for the Arrow writers. You can't pull a Fringe or Eureka in a shared universe.
...oh, wait, Eureka was in a shared universe. They just, like, didn't bother reconciling it.
Let's get one thing straight: Eddie's death leading to Eobard's erasure (but not the erasure of everything Eobard had done prior to that point and revision of the entire timeline) makes no sense logically. And if Eddie is going to come back to beget the line of Thawn, why did Eobard disappear in the first place? You just have to decide that Doctor Who rules apply and accept it as a badass move.
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I was expecting him to break it, if for no other reason than to retcon the unbelievably saccharine arrow finale
Although, I did think at first: "Wow, that's a paradox", and then the singularity reappeared... so maybe it's connected to that? I don't know, the writers have done what I thought was sloppy writing before and then it's connected neatly (like Cisco's powers).
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