@ Loran, What does GSP gain out of the deal though? Silva gets a beast opponent, UFC gets cash, GSP gets ?. It's not like he isn't content with making highlight reels out of the rest of his division. Only thing I can think of beside Silva after the Alves fight is Paulo Thiago if he registers a few more high-end knockouts. Maybe Swick?
Paulo Thiago, if i'm not getting him confused (he's the dude who knocked out koscheck, right?), did not look very great in his last win.
As for what does he get? Well, a combiation of winning both the MW and WW Belts. A large payday to be brokered by the UFC with both Silva and GSP's respective agents.
I mean, why do cross-weight division fights happen? Money and pride. There's not much of that to be made at their own weight divisions, and like i said, the UFC has really nothing to gain by adding to the LH mix, but could use a spicing up in the lower divisions.
I mean, while he didn't have to move down to face BJ Penn, he certainly profitted from that fight a great deal, and if he beats silva, then grease-gate will be a distant memory. Though silva might want to be careful there as well.
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hmm..So I take it everyone is on the Machida wagon?
Amusingly, yes, though i'd imagine the words "Machida Wagon" would be a shock to anyone in UFC management a year ago. What with his polarizing fighting style and all.
I'm not an expert in these things. I don't think Machida has faced opposition like Evans (Or Jackson or Griffin for that matter) yet, so we could be heavily overestimating him.
Still, on a personal note, I love things unorthodox, i love karate, and I enjoy fighters who aren't afraid to go to any specific area of the game. And Machida watching allows me to actually have all of these needs satisfied.
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Nick diaz is not top competition. Thiago Alves is GSP's next fight and Alves is much much more talented then Nick Diaz. I personally don't think Cung Le would be a contest for GSP. If he beats Alves, I don't know what happens.
Lets see Nick beat Gomi in an incredible fight after taking a huge amount of punishment I would argue that Thagio Alves would have crumbled under the same pressure, in fact it can be argued that just about every fight Nick has lost since leaving the UFC has been because he had that bleeding from his head problem(too much scar tissue) and now that he has finally had that opperated and most of the excess tissue removed that shouldnt be a problem anymore. He looked fantastic demolishing Frank Shamrock on the strikeforce card a week and a half ago.
The biggest problem for Diaz of he were to fight GSP would mostly likely be fightplan. GSP since his loss to Matt Serra has made sure that he comes into the cage with an incredibly thought out gameplan/strategy and he tends not to stray from it, he really in many ways is the thinking mans fighter. Diaz by contrast tends to go out there and leave his corner/planing behind which is a big part of why he has been hit so much in his career. If he could learn to stick with the gameplan and take his corners advice it could be quite interesting because other than that they seem like they would match up quite well. They both have amazing cardio well everyone knows how fit GSP is Diaz is well known himself for regularly competeting in triatholons which requires a bit o' gas. GSP is the stronger of the two but Diaz is the more flexable of the two and taller. Both have excellent boxing while GSP is very straight ahead in his style Diaz likes to pick you appart with peppery shots from wierd angles. Wrestling easily goes to GSP but Jits is in Diaz's favour.
Finally I dont think Cung could or would be good competetion for GSP right now as he would just find himself on his back in a matter of seconds and with his ground defense it would be over tut suite but if he were to aline himself with a good camp for learning those skills like Extreme Coture then with his superior striking he might (note I said might) be ready in a year or two to really give GSP a good go.
Nick Diaz has not fought the competition that Alves has as of late. Gomi was clearly out of shape also the fight was ruled a No Contest because he was high. Mike Aina, Katsuya Inoue, Mushin Corbbrey, Thomas Denny, and a very old Frank Shamrock are not top competition by any strech of the imagination. His last loss(due to cuts like you said) was against KJ Noons, who again is not top flight competition. His last decent was against Gleison Tibau 2 and a half years ago who has since gone down to Lightweight division:laugh:. Would you like to know Thiago Alves opponents in those 2 and a half years? John Alessio(scrub), Tony DeSouza(scrub), Kuniyoshi Hironaka(scrub), Chris Lytle(not great but better then everyone Nick Diaz has faced except Noons and Shamrock), Karo Parisyan(Who beat Diaz, admittedly almost 5 years ago), Matt Hughes(far better then anyone Diaz has beaten sans Lawler), and Josh Koscheck(Probably better then anyone Diaz has ever beaten).
If Diaz comes back to the UFC before anyone matchmaker should even think about pitting Diaz against GSP I would say he'd have to fight 3 fights. A tune-up on a Fight Night event against a guy like Dong Hyun Kim or Brad Blackburn. The second would be a Fight with Marcus Davis or Anthony Johnson. The third would be against Jon Fitch or Mike Swick. If he wins all three fights then okay. GSP.
Im not saying Nick would definately beat GSP but I think it would be one hell of a good fight.
As to the Gomi fight that admittedly was ruled a NC because he tested positive for weed! Comeon he wasnt high when he fought and weed is far from a performance enhancer. The loss against Noons was like we have both agreed due to cuts and Nick being a bleeder and this has been addressed by him and his doctors and shouldnt be a problem anymore. As to the loss against Karo well first off that was very early in his career and I think that most fans would argue that it was a very poor decision and that Nick should have won that fight.
As for making Nick fight a few tuneup fights before facing GSP, I would be all for that but with the total lack of competetion in the UFC for GSP right now I would be surprised if they made him fight 3 times before putting him in with GSP.
In the long run I suspect this is just a bunk debate anyways as due to his history with the org I doubt very much that Nick will ever fight in the UFC again.
Now that's a match that will get people interested.
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what are all of your predictions for the Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans fight. I think Machida will wear out Evans like he does all of his opponents. The guy is so elusive and tricky to fight against. I think he's taken less hits per fight then any other fighter I've ever watched. That's where I start to wonder though because Rashad is such a good striker that I think he may overwhelm Lyoto.
I think instead of Lyoto "the dragon" he should be Lyoto "the ninja" because he's so damn sneaky and elusive.
Now that's a match that will get people interested.
Wow indeed. This looks to be a good fight night, as BJ Penn is defending his title against Kenny Florian.
I so look forward to seeing Silva at 205, and im impressed that they are pushing it this soon. If I remember correctly, 205 is a strong natural weight for Silva, so I believe he'll be at home, and it'll be a great fight.
what are all of your predictions for the Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans fight. I think Machida will wear out Evans like he does all of his opponents. The guy is so elusive and tricky to fight against. I think he's taken less hits per fight then any other fighter I've ever watched. That's where I start to wonder though because Rashad is such a good striker that I think he may overwhelm Lyoto.
I think instead of Lyoto "the dragon" he should be Lyoto "the ninja" because he's so damn sneaky and elusive.
Ya, Loren and Teddy have already stated this and I basically said mhmmmm.
Now that's a match that will get people interested.
Damn I was just coming here to post the article. I was completely and Uterly blown away and I think this is a much better fight then Bonnar but didn't put it up due to me thinking Forest was more interested in the belt than lots and lots of money and fame.
Also in the article on Yahoo! Sports white says that he is "going to sign another big middleweight that will blow your mind" Anyone wanna make guesses? My money is on Gegard Mousasi.
Also in the same article, it is mentioned that Silva wouldn't mind fighting Fedor Emelianenko. Apparently Silva walks around at 215(Holy **** that's a 35 pound cut) between fights and would be willing to fight fedor at a catch weight of 220-Fedor traditionally fights at 230. Although I'm not sure if I buy that he cuts 35 pounds I think he could gain the weight to make 220. I fight at 155 and I walk around at 170-ish. I couldn't imagine cutting 20 more pounds and fighting at 135.
EDIT: An interesting thought: If Silva beats Griffin and fights the winner of Machida-Evans. If he wins there, will he be forced to relieve himself of one of the belts. If he isn't how would that work? 2 titles on one fight..he averages 3-4 fights a year. 1-2 title defenses a year per belt. wouldn't that muddy the title waters even further? It would certainly slow down the pace in 205 due to introducing a 6th member to what is already a 5 man race(Evans, Machida, Jackson, Griffen, Jardine) Of course this is not factoring in the fact that Shogun possibly could return to top form and new-comer Luis Arthur "Banha" Cain and the possibility of Ryan Bader blooming into a contender. We might need som WWF style multiple belts for the the Light-Heavyweight division.
Man I dont think Silva would do that well in the Light heavyweight division let alone againt the greatest heavyweight in the world, Fedor Emelianenko. That said Linland did very well against Fedor and the result of that fight may have been much different if Fedor hadnt held the ropes the way he did (on of the few times I have been disappointed with him in the ring/cage) and Linland is much smaller than Silva. That said Linland has something that Silva lacks and that is truely dominant ground control and takedowns, hell for the most part he hasnt needed them as his hands are so good. Now Im not saying that Silva has no ground game he is a BJJ blackbelt under Bustamente which is some serious ground cred but at the same time his ground fighting is worlds behind someone like Linland.
In the long run I suspect that handicaping this fight, between Silva and Fedor, is really little more than meaningless speculation as the chances of this ever being signed is about the same as monkeys flying out of my butt.
Unfortunately the way things look now the only really interesting fights for Silva would be with fighters not signed with the UFC so we will likely see more lackluster performances from him for a while. On another board I'm on it has been speculated that a good part of why Silva has been just doing what he needs to win and not really finishing his fights has to do with him being angry with UFC management for not allowing him to have a boxing match with RJJ which would have been a HUGE payday for him. Now although I dont necessarly think this is the truth it also wouldnt surprise me if it was.
Also in the same article, it is mentioned that Silva wouldn't mind fighting Fedor Emelianenko. Apparently Silva walks around at 215(Holy **** that's a 35 pound cut) between fights and would be willing to fight fedor at a catch weight of 220-Fedor traditionally fights at 230. Although I'm not sure if I buy that he cuts 35 pounds I think he could gain the weight to make 220. I fight at 155 and I walk around at 170-ish. I couldn't imagine cutting 20 more pounds and fighting at 135.
EDIT: An interesting thought: If Silva beats Griffin and fights the winner of Machida-Evans. If he wins there, will he be forced to relieve himself of one of the belts. If he isn't how would that work? 2 titles on one fight..he averages 3-4 fights a year. 1-2 title defenses a year per belt. wouldn't that muddy the title waters even further? It would certainly slow down the pace in 205 due to introducing a 6th member to what is already a 5 man race(Evans, Machida, Jackson, Griffen, Jardine) Of course this is not factoring in the fact that Shogun possibly could return to top form and new-comer Luis Arthur "Banha" Cain and the possibility of Ryan Bader blooming into a contender. We might need som WWF style multiple belts for the the Light-Heavyweight division.
Couple of things.
A. I call bull on Silva walking around at 215. I can imagine walking around at 205, but i call baloney at 215. And i still think he'll suffer a bit of slowness/uncomfortableness fighting a top fighter like Griffin at 205.
I'm not sure that Silva would win against Griffin....Technically, i think he's the better fighter...but at the increased weight i think it's a close match for sure.
B. I do remember hearing somewhere that Silva made a statement about the LH title and him saying, "No, that's Lyoto Machida's title, I"m not going for that." So I still don't see that happening.
(C., Silva aint fighting Fedor. Stop dreaming about fights with Fedor until Fedor's management takes a U Turn)
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Silva's striking is aeons above Forrest's. I see Forrest getting wrecked. He's a hard working guy but he relys on his size too much, technical he's no where near A.Silva, in stand up or ground. Infact, Rich Franklin/Dan Handerson both would have no problems taking Forrest in a fight imo.
As for the "mind exploding Middle weight" it's probably Cung Le. Seeing how he's fighitng for another show and got mentioned(postively) in the UFC recently. I doubt UFC would credit him like that unless they have a deal with him all set to go.
I wasn't dreaming. It was in the article. I was just sumarizing what I read. Silva wants to fight Fedor. I doubt it will happen, but that's what Silva wants.
Forrest and Silva will be fantastic. I really don't care who wins as long as they deliver a great fight. I'm not gonna even call this one.
@loran: I google'd it up. In July of last year he said it was Machida's belt. But in October he said he was 2 fights away from going for the Light heavweight belt. And now after further searching, on April 22, 2009, he said that the move up won't be permanent and that he won't fight his friend Lyoto Machida, just as he wouldn't fight Paulo Filho when both were ranked top middleweights. That puts to rest my interesting thought.
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I Would love to see silva in a match against fedor, although I believe it's never going to happen. Silva and fedor are in my oppinion two of the best fignters in all of MMA. That is the reason they can't fight eachother, because things that awesome never happen. Now, Fedor could have been in the ufc if it wasn't for the ufc being so greedy. They said if they were to sign fedor that be would not be able to fight in tournaments back in his native Russia.
As for Forrest griffen vs. Anderson Silva, I have to think silva would win. I personally don't think Forrest griffen is really that good. Sure he has a lot if endurance and he puts on a good show, but at the end of most of his fights he looks like he got hit by a truck. He's excellent at taking a punch to the face but silva is equally good at handing out punches to the face.
I Would love to see silva in a match against fedor, although I believe it's never going to happen. Silva and fedor are in my oppinion two of the best fignters in all of MMA. That is the reason they can't fight eachother, because things that awesome never happen. Now, Fedor could have been in the ufc if it wasn't for the ufc being so greedy. They said if they were to sign fedor that be would not be able to fight in tournaments back in his native Russia.
Greedy? Ummm, more like practical. For the UFC to sign a fighter but allow him to fight in other promotions makes no sense. Fedor wants total control over his fight schedule, like many boxers have. The UFC's business model doesn't allow for that.
I don't think any side is being greedy. But the views are too conflicting to really be resolved.
(Also, seriouslythough fedor vs silva is such a weight jump that itd be silly)
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I agree with the weight jump, I think Fedor would have to come down in weight. I don't see Silva fighting at 220. I'm thinking he'd come in significantly underweight.
Ok in essence of bump with a purpose, Hoe does everyone feel about Chuck?
Do you think he should be done and do you think it is right for White to offer him a job for life when guys like Mark Coleman and Jens Pulver were great but are in that old but almost out area and don't have good financial situation and in turn don't have much alternative other than to fight?
Ok in essence of bump with a purpose, Hoe does everyone feel about Chuck?
Do you think he should be done and do you think it is right for White to offer him a job for life when guys like Mark Coleman and Jens Pulver were great but are in that old but almost out area and don't have good financial situation and in turn don't have much alternative other than to fight?
I was never a Liddell fan. Yes I know he was able to use his wrestling skills to stay on his feet and was an amazing striker, but i'm never impressed by straight strikers truly in mma. When i watch mma, i want to see technical bits, such as submissions, fights for position, takedowns, and striking smartly so as to avoid damage.
Top it off, i started to watch mma right around his loss to Rampage last year, soooo yeah.
However, from a legal perspective, the UFC is screwed here. liddell is booked to two more fights i think as per his contract. And the same way that Couture couldnt get out of his deal with the UFC, the UFC can't get out of that deal with Liddell unless Liddell agrees.
So I think Liddell will fight two more times in the UFC. If he wins both of them, the UFC will probably contract him to another match or two, if he loses, the UFC will attempt to convince him he's done.
This is the weakness in the UFC business model....take a star who negotiates his contract from a place of strength, and you can't put an OUT clause for the UFC to "cut" the fighter. Plus as popular as Chuck is for some reason, i doubt you'd want to let other promotions use him anyhow.
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Well, they don't have to schedule him to fight I believe. He is under contract to not fight but does that mean they have to put him in fights? They could basically tie him down...
Well, they don't have to schedule him to fight I believe. He is under contract to not fight but does that mean they have to put him in fights? They could basically tie him down...
He's under contract for X amount of fights (I think x=2). If they don't schedule him, he will have a big case to sue them....like i said, he'd be in the UFC's former position when they were suing to enforce Couture's contract...in the position of power.
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If you have not heard, the demo of UFC Undisputed 2k9 is on XBOx Live and is some good.
Also, screw Chuck. As loran said above I am simply not impressed by someone who steps in the octagon with the basic mentality of "I can punch harder than him and have trained just enough to not get taken down to much". I'd rather watch a GSP who says "Yes I'm naturally gifted, but I'm gonna work my ass off to always be just a little bit better than they expect me to be".
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If you have not heard, the demo of UFC Undisputed 2k9 is on XBOx Live and is some good.
Also, screw Chuck. As loran said above I am simply not impressed by someone who steps in the octagon with the basic mentality of "I can punch harder than him and have trained just enough to not get taken down to much". I'd rather watch a GSP who says "Yes I'm naturally gifted, but I'm gonna work my ass off to always be just a little bit better than they expect me to be".
Are you kidding? Chuck Liddell has one of the best takedown defences in the game. You dont get that from "just training enough"
For the record im not a big Chuck Liddell fan, I would way rather watch GSP any day. I just know how to recognize skill when i see it, and Chuck has it.
Are you kidding? Chuck Liddell has one of the best takedown defences in the game. You dont get that from "just training enough"
For the record im not a big Chuck Liddell fan, I would way rather watch GSP any day. I just know how to recognize skill when i see it, and Chuck has it.
Even conceding that he has "the best takedown defense in the game" on the grounds that I am a newb and don't watch his fight often....so what? He's still executing a simplistic and uninteresting strategy of "hit you lots". I'm sure that sells lots of PPV to frat boys, but it really isn't enough for me to respect him.
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Simplicity is the key to success. The simpler your technique, the more you can refine it. Chuck Liddell is far from "hit you lots." Its more like "im going to stalk you and wait till an opening and then land a big punch." Once the big punch is landed its either a knockout or you daze them, once dazed thats when you let a flurry go, in order to get the K.O, or the TKO.
On the show deadliest warrior they had Chuck Liddell on, and they tested his punchig power with some kind of force detector. His punch ended up being alot harder then just about any professional boxer or other recorded punch. It takes alot of skill and different body movement to transfer that kind of energy through your body and into your fist.
Paulo Thiago, if i'm not getting him confused (he's the dude who knocked out koscheck, right?), did not look very great in his last win.
As for what does he get? Well, a combiation of winning both the MW and WW Belts. A large payday to be brokered by the UFC with both Silva and GSP's respective agents.
I mean, why do cross-weight division fights happen? Money and pride. There's not much of that to be made at their own weight divisions, and like i said, the UFC has really nothing to gain by adding to the LH mix, but could use a spicing up in the lower divisions.
I mean, while he didn't have to move down to face BJ Penn, he certainly profitted from that fight a great deal, and if he beats silva, then grease-gate will be a distant memory. Though silva might want to be careful there as well.
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Amusingly, yes, though i'd imagine the words "Machida Wagon" would be a shock to anyone in UFC management a year ago. What with his polarizing fighting style and all.
I'm not an expert in these things. I don't think Machida has faced opposition like Evans (Or Jackson or Griffin for that matter) yet, so we could be heavily overestimating him.
Still, on a personal note, I love things unorthodox, i love karate, and I enjoy fighters who aren't afraid to go to any specific area of the game. And Machida watching allows me to actually have all of these needs satisfied.
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Lets see Nick beat Gomi in an incredible fight after taking a huge amount of punishment I would argue that Thagio Alves would have crumbled under the same pressure, in fact it can be argued that just about every fight Nick has lost since leaving the UFC has been because he had that bleeding from his head problem(too much scar tissue) and now that he has finally had that opperated and most of the excess tissue removed that shouldnt be a problem anymore. He looked fantastic demolishing Frank Shamrock on the strikeforce card a week and a half ago.
The biggest problem for Diaz of he were to fight GSP would mostly likely be fightplan. GSP since his loss to Matt Serra has made sure that he comes into the cage with an incredibly thought out gameplan/strategy and he tends not to stray from it, he really in many ways is the thinking mans fighter. Diaz by contrast tends to go out there and leave his corner/planing behind which is a big part of why he has been hit so much in his career. If he could learn to stick with the gameplan and take his corners advice it could be quite interesting because other than that they seem like they would match up quite well. They both have amazing cardio well everyone knows how fit GSP is Diaz is well known himself for regularly competeting in triatholons which requires a bit o' gas. GSP is the stronger of the two but Diaz is the more flexable of the two and taller. Both have excellent boxing while GSP is very straight ahead in his style Diaz likes to pick you appart with peppery shots from wierd angles. Wrestling easily goes to GSP but Jits is in Diaz's favour.
Finally I dont think Cung could or would be good competetion for GSP right now as he would just find himself on his back in a matter of seconds and with his ground defense it would be over tut suite but if he were to aline himself with a good camp for learning those skills like Extreme Coture then with his superior striking he might (note I said might) be ready in a year or two to really give GSP a good go.
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If Diaz comes back to the UFC before anyone matchmaker should even think about pitting Diaz against GSP I would say he'd have to fight 3 fights. A tune-up on a Fight Night event against a guy like Dong Hyun Kim or Brad Blackburn. The second would be a Fight with Marcus Davis or Anthony Johnson. The third would be against Jon Fitch or Mike Swick. If he wins all three fights then okay. GSP.
As to the Gomi fight that admittedly was ruled a NC because he tested positive for weed! Comeon he wasnt high when he fought and weed is far from a performance enhancer. The loss against Noons was like we have both agreed due to cuts and Nick being a bleeder and this has been addressed by him and his doctors and shouldnt be a problem anymore. As to the loss against Karo well first off that was very early in his career and I think that most fans would argue that it was a very poor decision and that Nick should have won that fight.
As for making Nick fight a few tuneup fights before facing GSP, I would be all for that but with the total lack of competetion in the UFC for GSP right now I would be surprised if they made him fight 3 times before putting him in with GSP.
In the long run I suspect this is just a bunk debate anyways as due to his history with the org I doubt very much that Nick will ever fight in the UFC again.
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Wow.
Now that's a match that will get people interested.
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I think instead of Lyoto "the dragon" he should be Lyoto "the ninja" because he's so damn sneaky and elusive.
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Wow indeed. This looks to be a good fight night, as BJ Penn is defending his title against Kenny Florian.
I so look forward to seeing Silva at 205, and im impressed that they are pushing it this soon. If I remember correctly, 205 is a strong natural weight for Silva, so I believe he'll be at home, and it'll be a great fight.
Ya, Loren and Teddy have already stated this and I basically said mhmmmm.
Damn I was just coming here to post the article. I was completely and Uterly blown away and I think this is a much better fight then Bonnar but didn't put it up due to me thinking Forest was more interested in the belt than lots and lots of money and fame.
Also in the article on Yahoo! Sports white says that he is "going to sign another big middleweight that will blow your mind" Anyone wanna make guesses? My money is on Gegard Mousasi.
Also in the same article, it is mentioned that Silva wouldn't mind fighting Fedor Emelianenko. Apparently Silva walks around at 215(Holy **** that's a 35 pound cut) between fights and would be willing to fight fedor at a catch weight of 220-Fedor traditionally fights at 230. Although I'm not sure if I buy that he cuts 35 pounds I think he could gain the weight to make 220. I fight at 155 and I walk around at 170-ish. I couldn't imagine cutting 20 more pounds and fighting at 135.
EDIT: An interesting thought: If Silva beats Griffin and fights the winner of Machida-Evans. If he wins there, will he be forced to relieve himself of one of the belts. If he isn't how would that work? 2 titles on one fight..he averages 3-4 fights a year. 1-2 title defenses a year per belt. wouldn't that muddy the title waters even further? It would certainly slow down the pace in 205 due to introducing a 6th member to what is already a 5 man race(Evans, Machida, Jackson, Griffen, Jardine) Of course this is not factoring in the fact that Shogun possibly could return to top form and new-comer Luis Arthur "Banha" Cain and the possibility of Ryan Bader blooming into a contender. We might need som WWF style multiple belts for the the Light-Heavyweight division.
In the long run I suspect that handicaping this fight, between Silva and Fedor, is really little more than meaningless speculation as the chances of this ever being signed is about the same as monkeys flying out of my butt.
Unfortunately the way things look now the only really interesting fights for Silva would be with fighters not signed with the UFC so we will likely see more lackluster performances from him for a while. On another board I'm on it has been speculated that a good part of why Silva has been just doing what he needs to win and not really finishing his fights has to do with him being angry with UFC management for not allowing him to have a boxing match with RJJ which would have been a HUGE payday for him. Now although I dont necessarly think this is the truth it also wouldnt surprise me if it was.
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Couple of things.
A. I call bull on Silva walking around at 215. I can imagine walking around at 205, but i call baloney at 215. And i still think he'll suffer a bit of slowness/uncomfortableness fighting a top fighter like Griffin at 205.
I'm not sure that Silva would win against Griffin....Technically, i think he's the better fighter...but at the increased weight i think it's a close match for sure.
B. I do remember hearing somewhere that Silva made a statement about the LH title and him saying, "No, that's Lyoto Machida's title, I"m not going for that." So I still don't see that happening.
(C., Silva aint fighting Fedor. Stop dreaming about fights with Fedor until Fedor's management takes a U Turn)
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As for the "mind exploding Middle weight" it's probably Cung Le. Seeing how he's fighitng for another show and got mentioned(postively) in the UFC recently. I doubt UFC would credit him like that unless they have a deal with him all set to go.
Forrest and Silva will be fantastic. I really don't care who wins as long as they deliver a great fight. I'm not gonna even call this one.
@loran: I google'd it up. In July of last year he said it was Machida's belt. But in October he said he was 2 fights away from going for the Light heavweight belt. And now after further searching, on April 22, 2009, he said that the move up won't be permanent and that he won't fight his friend Lyoto Machida, just as he wouldn't fight Paulo Filho when both were ranked top middleweights. That puts to rest my interesting thought.
@Von: I see what you're saying, cause that had him on UFC 97 to promote that movie he is in with Channing Tatum.
As for Forrest griffen vs. Anderson Silva, I have to think silva would win. I personally don't think Forrest griffen is really that good. Sure he has a lot if endurance and he puts on a good show, but at the end of most of his fights he looks like he got hit by a truck. He's excellent at taking a punch to the face but silva is equally good at handing out punches to the face.
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Greedy? Ummm, more like practical. For the UFC to sign a fighter but allow him to fight in other promotions makes no sense. Fedor wants total control over his fight schedule, like many boxers have. The UFC's business model doesn't allow for that.
I don't think any side is being greedy. But the views are too conflicting to really be resolved.
(Also, seriouslythough fedor vs silva is such a weight jump that itd be silly)
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Do you think he should be done and do you think it is right for White to offer him a job for life when guys like Mark Coleman and Jens Pulver were great but are in that old but almost out area and don't have good financial situation and in turn don't have much alternative other than to fight?
I was never a Liddell fan. Yes I know he was able to use his wrestling skills to stay on his feet and was an amazing striker, but i'm never impressed by straight strikers truly in mma. When i watch mma, i want to see technical bits, such as submissions, fights for position, takedowns, and striking smartly so as to avoid damage.
Top it off, i started to watch mma right around his loss to Rampage last year, soooo yeah.
However, from a legal perspective, the UFC is screwed here. liddell is booked to two more fights i think as per his contract. And the same way that Couture couldnt get out of his deal with the UFC, the UFC can't get out of that deal with Liddell unless Liddell agrees.
So I think Liddell will fight two more times in the UFC. If he wins both of them, the UFC will probably contract him to another match or two, if he loses, the UFC will attempt to convince him he's done.
This is the weakness in the UFC business model....take a star who negotiates his contract from a place of strength, and you can't put an OUT clause for the UFC to "cut" the fighter. Plus as popular as Chuck is for some reason, i doubt you'd want to let other promotions use him anyhow.
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He's under contract for X amount of fights (I think x=2). If they don't schedule him, he will have a big case to sue them....like i said, he'd be in the UFC's former position when they were suing to enforce Couture's contract...in the position of power.
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Also, screw Chuck. As loran said above I am simply not impressed by someone who steps in the octagon with the basic mentality of "I can punch harder than him and have trained just enough to not get taken down to much". I'd rather watch a GSP who says "Yes I'm naturally gifted, but I'm gonna work my ass off to always be just a little bit better than they expect me to be".
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Are you kidding? Chuck Liddell has one of the best takedown defences in the game. You dont get that from "just training enough"
For the record im not a big Chuck Liddell fan, I would way rather watch GSP any day. I just know how to recognize skill when i see it, and Chuck has it.
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Even conceding that he has "the best takedown defense in the game" on the grounds that I am a newb and don't watch his fight often....so what? He's still executing a simplistic and uninteresting strategy of "hit you lots". I'm sure that sells lots of PPV to frat boys, but it really isn't enough for me to respect him.
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On the show deadliest warrior they had Chuck Liddell on, and they tested his punchig power with some kind of force detector. His punch ended up being alot harder then just about any professional boxer or other recorded punch. It takes alot of skill and different body movement to transfer that kind of energy through your body and into your fist.
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